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Title: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: titoli on August 08, 2005, 03:59:14 PM
With this:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072699/

Maybe the director and the crew while they were shooting it, thinking somebody would actually pay to watch it.


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: redyred on August 08, 2005, 04:15:26 PM
Is it really that bad (Corbucci's Bianco, giallo, nero, for those who can't be bothered to click the link)?

It's weird with Corbucci - with Mercenary and Great Silence he was clearly finding some kind of style and sophistication. Why did he fall from grace in the 70s and 80s? Maybe it's just that once the money wasn't there any more he just started chucking out the exploitation cheapos again.


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on August 08, 2005, 04:30:58 PM
It's a very silly comedy, played strictly for laughs...Tomas Milian camps it up playing 'Sakura'   ..& the whole thing is full of intentionally bad jokes...w/ admittedly, some cute little  visual references to "Django"..."Companeros"..and "Red Sun", of course....& some others.
It's got some laughs & in-jokes that are worthwhile.. but not 1 serious moment...in fact, some of the jokes have modern references unrelated to the old western setting.
Giuliano Gemma's in it..& Eli Wallach's got some funny moments.
The SW golden era was over...It was like Corbucci's...& the actors' "See Ya..it's been fun" party .


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: Johny_Exhale on August 09, 2005, 12:18:27 PM
im a big Corbucci fan so yeah ive seen it, Eli is great in it, its funny, nothing ells


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: indio on November 26, 2005, 05:22:23 AM
watched this the other day so heres my review.
putting together corbucci, wallach, milian and gemma should be a mix made in SW heaven. its not!
wallach plays black jack a sherriff who is not too bright and loves himself. gemma is the sweed an outlaw conman who as an actor steals this movie. then their is milian... playing a servant to a samuari who he gets killed then takes over his role and as you wouls expect is over the top. the 3 actors spend the movie chasing a small pony held hostage but a bunch of phoney indians a million dollars and each other with hilarious results etc.  this fim is for die hards only. don't get me wrong it is funny but for a man like corbucci it really should be so much better after all he gave us django. i don't want to ruin the film so i'll just say if you like SW and comedy then this is for you. a masterpiece it isn't. but it will make you laugh.


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: Banjo on November 26, 2005, 05:35:15 AM
Thanks Indio,I'll wait until i'm desparate for new titles before i get this one.I think i saw it on Ebay for 25 pence from the USA!


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: indio on November 26, 2005, 05:37:48 AM
yeah i'd say it was worth that!


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: Banjo on November 26, 2005, 05:43:20 AM
Its only the postage and the waiting(from the USA) that are the only downside!


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: Marco Leone on November 27, 2005, 03:57:24 AM
This is still in my "to view" pile, and the more I read, the more tempted I am to put it to the back  :D


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: indio on November 27, 2005, 04:42:05 AM
don't get me wrong marco it will make u laugh. its just a mile away from companeros. i'd be interested to hear your comments.


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: The Smoker on November 27, 2005, 05:27:31 AM
Sorry.. but I think this is an extremely bad movie.

It hasn't aged well. Thomas Milian's Sakura is on the wrong side of black and white minstrol show. And can provoke butt-clenching embarrassment for the situation rather than laughter. Relies on too many pony fart jokes.

Actually found Giuliano Gemma to rise to the surface over the rest, with his over top kleptomanic charactor. Eli Wallach who looked a bit lost. 

Corbucci's last spaghetti. Maybe he got the point this time, and moved on.

I say go watch Red Sun you'll have a much better time.


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: Leone Admirer on November 27, 2005, 05:35:07 AM
Is this the film that makes a brief appearance in the doco Westerns Italian Style on the Run Man Run disc?


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: indio on November 27, 2005, 06:28:53 AM
i do agree smoker it was time to move on.


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: Marco Leone on November 27, 2005, 01:55:52 PM
Sounds like it was a sad note to go out on.  lets face it, only Leone's films better Corbuccis.


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: itsa-leone on January 19, 2006, 12:00:13 PM
Hey all, I just posted a review of The White, The Yellow, and the Black (1975, Corbucci) that I thought might be of interest here. I did some looking around and couldn't find anything about the movie on the site. Long story short, I really liked WYB, especially the final battle, and getting to see Eli as an *snicker* honest lawman.
http://dumbdistraction.com/Reviews/whiteyellow.html

Here's a screenshot to whet your appitite:

(http://www.dumbdistraction.com/Images/whiteyellowdrag2.jpg)
Yeah, that's Eli in drag. Great stuff.


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: The Peacemaker on January 19, 2006, 05:25:54 PM
Ok then. The movie sounds pretty racist. Is it a movie about the absurdity of racism or is it just racist? Or neither?


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: itsa-leone on January 19, 2006, 06:40:42 PM
Ok then. The movie sounds pretty racist. Is it a movie about the absurdity of racism or is it just racist? Or neither?

Depends on your POV. Milian's character, Sukura, is the one that is most likely get a negative kneejerk reaction from people - he's def. a cartoonish caricature of an Japanese person. But no one in the film treats him as less of a person because he's Japanese (his lowly status at the beginning of the film comes more from his economic status, I presume), and indeed the movie is really his story (although I played up Eli's role because... I love Eli). And I suppose some people would find it offensive for a white person to portray a person of another race... although I honestly find that viewpoint to be very close-minded.

Apart from that character I'm not sure where you're getting the racist stuff from. The Black in the title refers to Eli's character's name, not an actual black person. Are you seeing something in my review that I'm missing?


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: cigar joe on January 19, 2006, 08:02:38 PM
It reminds me of the classic "Breakfast at Tifanys", Mickey Roonie plays the upstairs very stereotypical oriental neighbor of  Audrey Hepburn (fake buck teeth, coke bottle glasses), another scene that makes you wince (getting back on Westerns) is the one in "My Darlin' Clementine" where Henry Fonda cold cocks a drunken Native American shooting up a saloon.


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: Leone Admirer on January 21, 2006, 07:37:21 AM
Or some of the dialogue in Gone With The Wind (terrific movie though)


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: itsa-leone on January 21, 2006, 01:34:28 PM
Not to get too far off topic, but to me a movie isn't racist merely because a character in it exhibits 'stereotypical' characteristics. For example, you never think twice about watching a samurai movie (filled with japanese people who all live by the 'samurai code') or a spaghetti western (filled with white gunslingers who, for the most part, follow a defined ethos). Of course we all realize, not all japanese people during feudal times were samurai, and not all white people in the old west were gunslingers (or bartenders, or gamblers, etc) - but by using those characteristics, filmmakers are able to tell effective stories.

In The White, The Yellow, and the Black, Sakura is obviously a mix of 'stereotypical japanese character traits.' Is that wrong in and of itself? I don't think so. Corbucci uses that set of traits to establish a character that we're have some familiarity with... then uses him to tell an effective story.

Now if he had used Sakura merely as a 'proof' that all japanese people were mindless savages - and the character never proved otherwise - you would obviously be right about the film being racist. But the mere presence of a character - even one that exhibits negative stereotypes - doesn't indicate that a director or a film is 'racist.' That's why the characters Cigar Joe mentioned don't bother me. On the other hand, Leone Admirer is right - in my opinion - that the dialogue in GWTW seems to be indicative of a racist viewpoint of the author/director.

Summary: Racism is bad. Racism can exist in films. Merely having a character who portrays stereotypical traits isn't racism. It wholly depends on how the character is being used. Anyway, just my opinion.  What do I know... I'm a nOOb! ;D


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: cigar joe on January 21, 2006, 03:17:01 PM
Quote
Summary: Racism is bad. Racism can exist in films. Merely having a character who portrays stereotypical traits isn't racism. It wholly depends on how the character is being used. Anyway, just my opinion.  What do I know... I'm a nOOb! 


No, you are right, you also have to look at them in the times they were made.


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: O'Cangaceiro on September 09, 2008, 01:08:23 PM
I know this is an old topic, but I would like to comment on it.

I just finished watching the movie again (lst time it was over 30 years ago) and I personally don't find it racist; especially, if we consider that it was made many years before the political correctness fad hit us. Nevertheless, I consider it a wacky, Trinity style SW that was made when the genre was already dying and therefore it does not have many of the ingredients of the earlier SWs.

Despite the afroresaid, the movie has some good scenes. The opening one, which is the conversation between sheriff Edward "Black Jack" Gideon (Eli Wallach) and his wife, will likely make you smile if you listen to the English audio, or ROTFL if you listen to the Italian or Spanish audio tracks (of course, provided you understand the languages  ;D). Two memorable scenes are when Wallach, Gemma and Milian dress themselves as women, or the battle at the end of the movie.

IMO, Milian's impersonation of Sakura (the not-too-bright servant of a samurai) is both hilarious and brilliant. One of the several occasions where I couldn't stop laughing is when he explains to Gemma (the Swiss) that he was not admitted at the samurai school in Tokio because he was half American and half Japastute; and when Gemma asks him what the word "Japastute" stands for, he says "Japanese prostitute". Wallach and Gemma also play decent roles.

The music from Guido & Maurizio de Angelis suits the movie, though it cannot be compared in quality with any of the Morricone scores.

In summary, I found it a very different type of Corbucci movie, but entertaining nevertheless.


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: Banjo on September 11, 2008, 05:11:04 PM
Only watched it once many months ago and it's not great.

Milian was too cringeworthy to be funny,Wallach very dull and un- Wallach like,Gemma by far the best thing about this movies.Some of the scenes work but mostly fail.Light years away from the quality of Trinity.


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 22, 2009, 02:37:16 PM
Not nearly as unwatchable as everybody says it is.
There are some cutesy poo :P references to the genre itself (in the opening of the Italian version Wallach makes full sentences with titles of other spaghetti westerns) but overall it is a bad movie by Corbucci's standards.
The soundtrack is great though!

P.S. Milian drops some more Cuban references like in the first Providence movie where he whistles the Cuban national anthem.

4/10


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: Dust Devil on August 22, 2009, 02:38:45 PM
Watched this only twice: once as a kid - didn't like it much, and once around 2001 - didn't even finish it. As the movie wasn't dull enough the dubbing was horrendous (to say at least).

So watching the beginning of the movie a couple of minutes ago on YT, I realized for the first time what's going on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpatDWk1IDQ&feature=related


The sheriff's wife jokingly references a bunch of SW titles during her rant, and not only she mentions them, but it's a funny and well composed speech! 8)


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: Dust Devil on August 22, 2009, 02:40:29 PM
There are some cutesy poo :P references to the genre itself (in the opening of the Italian version Wallach makes full sentences with titles of other spaghetti westerns)...

Creepy! (http://www.thescubasite.com/smile/scared/scared0016.gif) (http://www.thescubasite.com)


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 22, 2009, 02:43:40 PM
Creepy! (http://www.thescubasite.com/smile/scared/scared0016.gif) (http://www.thescubasite.com)


I saw you on the peephole looking at the thread and decided to leave my quick thoughts on it.
I didn't know you would mention the Wallach and wife arguement.


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: Dust Devil on August 22, 2009, 02:52:02 PM
Grrra! I know, I know, but you didn't have to say it, we could have scared DJ from the board making him believe we can read minds!


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 22, 2009, 03:00:44 PM
Grrra! I know, I know, but you didn't have to say it, we could have scared DJ from the board making him believe we can read minds!

Well, we can always erase our posts but Dave Stinkens is too snobbish to enter this thread and read this far anyway. :D

As 4 the movie itself
I'll be the first to say that this isn't a racist movie.
In fact it takes its jabs at racial intolerance with the soundtrack.
"My best friend is a black mine and he's so nice" is one of the lyrics to the main theme which is capped off with "it doesn't matter what your color is".

And by the end of the film both Gemma and Wallach (playin' Gringos) look past Milian's yellow exterior and become friends.

Italian opening with song... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpatDWk1IDQ


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: Dust Devil on August 22, 2009, 03:04:12 PM
Well, we can always erase our posts but Dave Stinkens is too snobbish to enter this thread and read this far anyway. :D

He probably didn't even understand them, so it's all the same.


He's thinking about...

DVD/BR releases!

 :D


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: Dust Devil on August 22, 2009, 03:05:20 PM
Italian opening with song... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpatDWk1IDQ

Posted it already. :P


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 22, 2009, 03:07:17 PM
He probably didn't even understand them, so it's all the same.


You're right, this is coming from the same man who STILL can't figure out how to get off the Hidden feature.


Title: Re: The White, the Yellow, and the Black (1975)
Post by: Dust Devil on August 22, 2009, 03:08:59 PM
Maybe it's just his ''style''.