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Films of Sergio Leone => Once Upon A Time In The West => Topic started by: Denys on September 25, 2005, 08:22:26 PM



Title: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Denys on September 25, 2005, 08:22:26 PM
Well, I did it. I made a trip to monument valley and Grand Canyon last week. The goal of this trip was to see the remains of the arch. I am so glad I saw it as it's not much destroyed than what I saw on some SW web sites and on the OUATITW Bonus DVD. Thanks so much to Warren Oates on a previous post, he indicated the exact location very precisely, I found it very easily. Some of the questions I was asking myself have been answered now. For instance, when we see Frank coming out of the hill to go to young Harmonica, does that hill is somewhere far or near the arch? Well, it's exactly the same location, placed like it's supposed to be in the film, I mean, that hill could have been a few miules from the arch, but nope, it is really in front of the arch. Here's a picture taken on top of one of the base, showing the cement tracks for the back travelling sequence and, in the background, the hill that Frank came out.
(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/6949/tracksfrankshill5de.th.jpg) (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tracksfrankshill5de.jpg)

The arch has been painted cause in the movie, we can't see the cement between the bricks, but with time, wind and natural effects, the arch has been kind of "sand blasted". The beam that we see in the next picture is not a beam thrown into the arch like that. It is part of the structure. The arch has been made of wood, then recovered with bricks.
(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/6325/arch9aw.th.jpg) (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=arch9aw.jpg)
Here's the inside of the arch:
(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7314/inside0ka.th.jpg) (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=inside0ka.jpg)

The Arch is located on a hill and can be seen from up to 4 miles (without binoculars) Leone chose this location for the nice background of monument Valley we can see. This next picture is taken with a 10X zoom:
(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1142/archdistant0zc.th.jpg) (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=archdistant0zc.jpg)
The central part of the arch had collapsed in the mid 80's according to Frayling's book. Here I am with the arch, nice souvenir for me:
(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2235/denysarch21tz.th.jpg) (http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=denysarch21tz.jpg)
If some folk on this forum has pics of the arch before it came down, please let me know and send them to me, this would be very much appreciated. I just wish I could've seen the arch complete.

The location


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Denys on September 25, 2005, 08:45:59 PM
I forgot to mention that I did something "unique" when I was there. I brought my laptop, the DVD of OUATITW, sat in indian position in front of the arch, between the 2 cement tracks and played the flashback sequence on my laptop. Watching this and beeing right there in front was really something, goosebumps all over my spine!!


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: cigar joe on September 26, 2005, 04:36:34 AM
cool great stuff thanks


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Jordan Krug on September 26, 2005, 05:15:15 PM
Great report - really great to see those pics. In return, a cool shot of the arch from the film......


(http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/9994/arch4rv.th.jpg) (http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=arch4rv.jpg)


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Juan Miranda on September 26, 2005, 05:56:12 PM
All good stuff. I hope I'll get there one day soon. A friend of mine recently moved to Califonia, and has learned how to drive. She wants to see this landscape too.

Do you think that sequence was inspired by "Arch" Stanton? :-\


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Denys on September 26, 2005, 06:10:14 PM
Jordan, thanks for this rare shot! All pics of the arch I can get will be welcome. I took something like 60 or 70 pics of the arch from many angles, different shots etc. Every SL fan should go see that, knowing that he was there, Henry Fonda too, standing where they were. The first day I went there, my girlfriend was kind of tired and after we found the arch, we stayed there for an hour and a half. But then after, I wanted to see the other locations of monument Valley and she started a scene. So we drove back to the hotel and I came back the next day ALONE!! This is where I could play the flashback on my laptop while beeing there. I will never forget that.


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Jordan Krug on September 26, 2005, 07:08:27 PM
You're very welcome - unfortunately, it's the only one I've got that shows the arch. I'm a big fan of that arch as well, it's such a strong feature in the film - about a year ago it inspired me to do this mixed media (some drawing/some paint/some digital) artwork :

(http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/6123/bronsonfinal31cd.th.jpg) (http://img79.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bronsonfinal31cd.jpg)

I hear you on the girlfriend front - women (in general) don't have the same passion for Leone (not all women of course) - mine couldn't understand why I'd spend a ton of dough to fly to L.A. from Toronto just to see the Sergio Leone exhibition there. I left her in Toronto! When I called her - did she share in my excitement in meeting Mickey Knox, Cardinale and Frayling? NO :( I wish I had the resources to visit the arch....one day I will. Did you happen to chip off the teeniest tinyest peice of the arch to take home for yourself?


Jordan, thanks for this rare shot! All pics of the arch I can get will be welcome. I took something like 60 or 70 pics of the arch from many angles, different shots etc. Every SL fan should go see that, knowing that he was there, Henry Fonda too, standing where they were. The first day I went there, my girlfriend was kind of tired and after we found the arch, we stayed there for an hour and a half. But then after, I wanted to see the other locations of monument Valley and she started a scene. So we drove back to the hotel and I came back the next day ALONE!! This is where I could play the flashback on my laptop while beeing there. I will never forget that.


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Jordan Krug on September 26, 2005, 07:13:20 PM
Just realized the background behind the arch in my artwork isn't very accurate according to your photos and the one I posted earlier (didn't have it at the time)- shouldn't have taken so much liberty and added that rock wall! Damn!  ;D


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Denys on September 26, 2005, 08:22:28 PM
Jordan, very nice artwork, I am very impressed. Did you see my other post about a french movie called "Les Dalton" where I took screenshots of the arch, reproduced for the movie? Go check it out! http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=1949.0


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Denys on September 27, 2005, 08:28:02 AM
Jordan, you're right about girlfriends. mine is not as hooked up as me, but she still likes Leone though, and she's the one who organized the trip to Monument Valley, she knew that was a dream to me since I was 8, I am really thankful to her for that. Guess I'll have to buy a ring  ;D


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Jordan Krug on September 27, 2005, 12:33:26 PM
Hmmmm, in that case I maybe should retract some of my sentiments about women and Leone, you are lucky to find one of the exceptions - marry that girl immed. :)


Jordan, you're right about girlfriends. mine is not as hooked up as me, but she still likes Leone though, and she's the one who organized the trip to Monument Valley, she knew that was a dream to me since I was 8, I am really thankful to her for that. Guess I'll have to buy a ring  ;D


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Denys on September 27, 2005, 12:48:55 PM
Jordan, I will just mention that she is Italian ;)


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Sackett on September 27, 2005, 06:10:12 PM
Jordan, that is great artwork.  Thanks for sharing.


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Jordan Krug on September 27, 2005, 07:36:42 PM
Thank you very much for the compliment - much appreciated.


Jordan, that is great artwork.  Thanks for sharing.


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Danny on September 28, 2005, 04:11:30 AM
I forgot to mention that I did something "unique" when I was there. I brought my laptop, the DVD of OUATITW, sat in indian position in front of the arch, between the 2 cement tracks and played the flashback sequence on my laptop. Watching this and beeing right there in front was really something, goosebumps all over my spine!!

Nice shots thank you very much!
You took a small piece of stone from the arch as well?
I did when I visited Flagstone last summer. It's now in my living room together with an original photo from the movie. ;)


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Denys on September 28, 2005, 06:48:21 AM
Of course I did. Took a small corner of a brick and took 2 bricks that were lying near the arch, from the collapsed central part. Took a piece of wood from a beam, a rusted nail, a piece of cement and finally, took some sand where young harmonica was standing in the middle. Don't worry, I didn't come all the way from Montreal for nothing :D I also noticed that corners of many bricks were missing, not too much left!!


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Leonardo on September 28, 2005, 10:43:53 AM
I forgot to mention that I did something "unique" when I was there. I brought my laptop, the DVD of OUATITW, sat in indian position in front of the arch, between the 2 cement tracks and played the flashback sequence on my laptop. Watching this and beeing right there in front was really something, goosebumps all over my spine!!
Thanks Denys for sharing: excellent shots; wish I could go there, but living in Italy, for me it's not just around the corner..
I'm trying to get in touch with Claudio Mancini (the man in your avatar..!). He lives in Rome and if I can get ahold of him, will try to interview him and get as much info as possible on the arch scene...Cross your fingers..


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Denys on September 28, 2005, 11:06:33 AM
Leonardo, I took something like 60 or 70 pics just for this arch. You're right, we don't have much infos about the hanging scene, like pics of the preparation, behind the scene pics etc.. Since I was a kid, I often dream that I am there, at the shooting, and I am there with everybody, getting ready to shoot this scene. If you can get in touch with Claudio, that would be very interesting to see what he has to tell us about this piece of cinema history. Thanks to you.


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Franks Harmonica on September 29, 2005, 12:16:02 AM
Hola Denys,

I think I might retire someday in Monument Valley and build a house in eye distance of the arc.
I felt  that is where I belong when I was out there.





Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Denys on October 26, 2005, 06:43:11 PM
Hola Denys,

I think I might retire someday in Monument Valley and build a house in eye distance of the arc.
I felt  that is where I belong when I was out there.


 I felt the same too. I was there only for a week, not only for monument valley but also for the grand canyon, but I was very sad to leave this place. I felt kind of unfinish business


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Silenzio on July 16, 2006, 09:57:43 PM


(http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/6123/bronsonfinal31cd.th.jpg) (http://img79.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bronsonfinal31cd.jpg)



 :o WOW! That is great amazing!


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Hubert on July 23, 2006, 02:10:31 AM
Magnificent pictures. A pity only the rudimentary shape of the arch is left, but I suppose we should be thankful for ANY remains, seeing as the place is so obviously visited by souvenir hunters.

This may have been discussed before, but from the second disk in the dvd set I learned that the Mc Bain farm is a tourist attraction nowadays. Any idea where it is located? Much obliged!


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: The Firecracker on July 23, 2006, 10:40:58 AM
Of course I did. Took a small corner of a brick and took 2 bricks that were lying near the arch, from the collapsed central part. Took a piece of wood from a beam, a rusted nail, a piece of cement and finally, took some sand where young harmonica was standing in the middle. Don't worry, I didn't come all the way from Montreal for nothing :D I also noticed that corners of many bricks were missing, not too much left!!

well if everybody did that there wouldnt be any landmark for us to see when we get there eh? >:(


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 23, 2006, 12:21:59 PM
I hope to see the stumps one day.   ;D


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Cusser on July 24, 2006, 12:26:26 PM
I was just at the arch yesterday on my way back to Arizona, looks just like in others' previously attached photos.   I also took three fallen "bricks" and some wood from the ground, very obvious that those were originally from the arch itself, not the surrounding area, and didn't detract from any future visits there for anyone.  It was great, played the music nice and loud, took some photos.  We came from the Utah side on our way back to Arizona; actually the dirt road was in real good condition, didn't see any other use for the road than to get to the arch.  Click on http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2334519/1 and go to the last photo to see me at the arch.  Sorry, I don't know otherwise how to add a photo here.


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Cusser on July 24, 2006, 12:39:03 PM
I will add that a few months ago wife went on a four-day Monument Valley horseback ride.  She asked Indian guide Lonnie about the arch, and he had been there (film with Charles Bronson, right?), said his cousin was in Once/West as a boy.  Sounds like he may have been the young Harmonica.  By the way, at Goulding's museum and trading post at Monument Valley, all the film listings and books do not even include Once/West as being filmed (partially) there.


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Denys on July 24, 2006, 01:17:44 PM
All the movies mentioned at Goulding's were all american directors, that's what I noticed then. Only a page on the wall of the museum, cut from a 1969 newspaper mentioned a line or two about Fonda and the upcoming movie OUATITW, but nothing else. Quite strange for one of the best western ever.


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: The Firecracker on July 24, 2006, 01:20:18 PM
I was just at the arch yesterday on my way back to Arizona, looks just like in others' previously attached photos.   I also took three fallen "bricks" and some wood from the ground, very obvious that those were originally from the arch itself, not the surrounding area, and didn't detract from any future visits there for anyone. 


of course not. but after more visitors  start stealing from the arch (which is illegal mind you) then there wont be anything left in a few years.

I hate to sound like a prude but I just have a thing about others not able to enjoy something because of somebody elses selfishness. I dont give a crap if its illegal or not. I just care for those others that have yet to enjoy the arch.


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Cusser on July 24, 2006, 06:22:38 PM
I can live with the fact of taking three fallen pieces of brick from the ground as being less destructive than the empty and broken beer bottles and cans discarded there.  I didn't have the resources to clean all those up, and don't know enough about building to actually restore the arch.  I can assure you that I didn't tear down any arch, there are brick pieces from it all over the ground.  One could say that I was helping clean up the place.


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: visitor on July 24, 2006, 09:49:56 PM
how do you attach photos? I went horseback riding in  Monument Valley last summer and shot about 5 rolls of film-
our Navajo guide, Charlie  was great.


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Leonardo on July 25, 2006, 08:35:32 AM
Sounds like he may have been the young Harmonica. 

Can't be, Cusser. Young Harmonica was an italian actor called Dino Mele.


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Cusser on July 25, 2006, 10:25:57 PM
OK; but wonder if he's got all the dust washed out of his mouth by now....


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Cusser on July 26, 2006, 09:29:57 AM
By the way, I've been calling the arch the Stanton Arch or Harmonica's Arch, any other suggestions?


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Tim on July 26, 2006, 11:39:38 AM
Quote
By the way, I've been calling the arch the Stanton Arch or Harmonica's Arch, any other suggestions?

  Cusser, I like Stanton Arch, a link to GBU that real Leone fans would pick up on.  If you're going for something else, maybe incorporate "brother" into it?  I'd say "Keep your loving brother happy" but that sounds too long.  ;D


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: noodles_leone on July 27, 2006, 04:51:23 PM
THE arch  ;)


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Cusser on July 30, 2006, 06:46:21 PM
Watched the film again today; absolutely that location for the arch (the Stanton Arch) was chosen so that leone and del Colli could frame the Monument Valley famous rocks in the arch, then over the arch, as the camera pulls back and up.  Similar with ride to McBain's: they wanted the audience to know that was really in US (not Spain), right where John Ford filmed.


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Silenzio on July 31, 2006, 01:31:05 PM


(http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/6123/bronsonfinal31cd.th.jpg) (http://img79.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bronsonfinal31cd.jpg)




Wow. That's amazing. Unfortunately, I am not as talented as you.  Usually my doodles are made during English class ( one of the easiest ones right now). For instance, take a look at this "masterpiece" of the band Phish physically dominating my friend Daniel:

(http://www.extremespin.org/Bench/Hosted%20Photos/Daniel%20Smite.jpg)

Or this surfing astronaut:

(http://myspace-295.vo.llnwd.net/00756/59/21/756801295_m.gif)

That's what my "works of art" are usually like.


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 31, 2006, 01:33:28 PM
Wow. That's amazing. Unfortunately, I am not as talented as you.  Usually my doodles are made during English class ( one of the easiest ones right now). For instance, take a look at this "masterpiece" of the band Phish physically dominating my friend Daniel:

(http://www.extremespin.org/Bench/Hosted%20Photos/Daniel%20Smite.jpg)

That's what my "works of art" are usually like.

How do you post that picture there?


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Silenzio on July 31, 2006, 01:37:43 PM
Well, it's not actually mine. But it's like what I would draw. My buddy Joel scanned it to his computer and put it on his private Message Board. Then I just found the URL of the pictures and put it in the little thingies. If you don't know the "little thingies" of which I speak, look where all the emoticons are when you post. Then look above 'em and there should be a little icon of a picture. It'll come up with a little thing that is (img) (/img). However, instead of a ( and ) it will be a [ and ]. That's the best way I could explain it without the computer actually thinking I was trying to post an image. Then put the URL of the picture inbetween the things and it'll be on the post.


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 31, 2006, 01:39:28 PM
Well, it's not actually mine. But it's like what I would draw. My buddy Joel scanned it to his computer and put it on his private Message Board. Then I just found the URL of the pictures and put it in the little thingies. Y'know, the (url) (/url) thing (except the ( and ) is actually a [ and ]) That's the best way I could explain it without the website actually trying to post a picture.

Oh.   :-\

Sounds tedious.


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Silenzio on July 31, 2006, 01:41:37 PM
I modified my post to make the description a little better.


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Sackett on August 01, 2006, 08:50:32 AM
If the boy holding up his brother was an Italian, he sure looked like a Navaho to me.  If not a Navaho, then another Native American.  I find it hard to believe he was European.


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Danny on August 01, 2006, 03:32:34 PM
In Almeria, Spain they've made a copy of the arch. These were shot last week.

(http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/8707/archgu1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

(http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/535/arch2tt9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Denys on August 01, 2006, 09:33:11 PM
of course not. but after more visitors  start stealing from the arch (which is illegal mind you) then there wont be anything left in a few years.

I hate to sound like a prude but I just have a thing about others not able to enjoy something because of somebody elses selfishness. I dont give a crap if its illegal or not. I just care for those others that have yet to enjoy the arch.


Firecracker, I understand that one could be afraid that this piece of history will disapear soon. But let me tell you my point of view. The arch was built for the movie and the top part felt down in the mid 90's according to Frayling. I was there on September 2005 and, like Cusser mentioned, there was lots of broken bottles of Budweiser everywhere, even into the pillars of the arch. Obviously, that was done by some ignorant people who had no idea what that place is. I am sure it felt down not because of natural reasons but because of some idiots (not from the fans, that would be really stupid). I felt bad for the mess there was, showing a lack of respect of this place, but as I said, I was there in September of last year and on top of one of the piling (The left one) there was an engraving on the top brick (Wayne 1/96). That means it is intact since then, no one took bricks from the remains.

(http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/3033/wayne96an3.jpg)

 I can say that since I saw the remains, but I understand your point and I would say the same If I would have not seen the arch. Sorry again for my poor english.


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: The Firecracker on August 02, 2006, 12:20:15 AM
Thats ok Deny's. I apologize if I came off a bit rude.
I went to Monument valley in summer of 2004 but I was only there for a few hours (it wasnt on my route).
I went as far as to where they filmed the scene where Sam bothers some of the train gang(the place with the big rocks and the "three sisters" in the distance). I never got to visit the arch so I was a bit peeved when I read folks were taking bricks from it. sorry again...


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Mcbain on August 29, 2006, 01:06:13 PM
Wonderfull pics!!!  Any idea who built it? It would be cool to find out.  I wonder if that particular piece of land was owned by someone back in the day?  I am planning a trip this Christmas just to see this spot along with the rest of the area. 

Cheers,

Eric


Title: Re: My trip to monument Valley and the Arch
Post by: Tuco the ugly on August 29, 2006, 02:42:30 PM
beaufiful pics!!!