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Title: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on September 29, 2005, 01:29:16 PM
Right, if you fine Ladies and Gent's don't mind, I'm starting a column documenting my experince with non-Leone SW's. I have 23 unwatched non-Leone Spaghetti's that I intend to start watching this weekend, and as promised in (the) Leone Lover's Guide To Other Spaghetti Westerns, begun by the great Cigar Joe, I'm going to write my thoughts, my experiences, my fears and my highlights as I explore the SW's begining with (after I watch For A Few Previews More which I'll also comment on) Johnny Yuma and finishing off with Nobody Is The Greatest. Now all these films are being watched on DVD, which I also intend to rate. I also want to add, that the reason I am able to expose myself what looks like an enjoyable 23 evenings of pure Spaghetti mayhem is because of you fine posters who encouraged me, and nurtured me (but luckily didn't bankrupt me  ;D ) into owning these great films. Right, as I am going to start watching this weekend, I thought I'd start off with a little editorial. Please, please post your feelings, reactions (but not death threats  ;D ) here as I take an emotional rollercoaster into the great West. So as I turn on my home cinema, reach for the nachos and sip the fine Jack Daniels whisky (my favourite vice) I sit back, relax and enjoy.

Thanks Again Folks.

29.09.05

America, The West, And Me

I have just enjoyed watching 40 of Hollywood's finest Westerns. From Hell's Hinges (1916) to Open Range (2004) I have been able to watch one of my favourite genres, develop, grow proud and strong and then die. I have watched John Wayne from his beginings, The Big Trail (1930), to his elegiac finale, The Shootist (1978). I've seen directors, men who I have admired greatly and who have inspired me to be, and to do, what I am today.  For me, it's been a revisit to one of my favourite haunts, cinematic America. From Genre's such as Film Noir and The Gangster Films of the 1930's 40's and 50's to certain New Wave styles, in my opinion America is the king of cinema. The countries I would definalty have to say that followed more closely behind then anyother would be France and Italy (though Italy would be my 'stand out' cinematic country of the two)
          I have to be completely honest, I'm a Brit who so desperatly wants to be an American, and like Leone and many other European filmmakers, I was inspired, seduced if you like, into wanting to be a part of what is a great nation. Now, I'm not here to talk about current affairs, this is no personal debate about certain politcial feelings, this is about people over the world who have been seduced by cinemas presentation of The American Dream. We have the pensive, nightmarish presentation of the A.D in Noir and more positve presentations in other genres, but its the Western (and importantly how it is shown in Spaghetti's and Hollywoods) that presents the American Dream in such an interesting light. Sometimes it can hopeful, sometimes it can be depressing but directors such as Ford, Hathaway, Corbucci and Leone all explore the American Dream and their effect on them in different ways. Now don't get me wrong, whilst I do like to delve into a film, I'm not one of those stuck up idiots who spouts out a lot of mumbo jumbo, but my experience of this great genre and its affect on me and other people I just find so fascinating.
       The spaghetti western is intriguing, a western set in Spain? How does that work, but it does. The amazing combination of Italian Values dealing with an American subject just gels so well, not like Hollywood stylised British Gangster films (see Ritchies Revolver) and only wathcing the trailers for the cinematic delights to come all make me excited to see someone who portrays their view of America on to the screen.
      Europe always has created its own view of the US and its often been a very popular one. The closest example I can come to is Disneyland Resort Paris. Main Street for example is the America of 1900 I like to see and a vision I have fallen in love with. Now you would be right in guessing that Frontier Land would be my favourite land, but immediatly you can see the European influence been asserted on it, its supposed to look like to the towns of the Spaghetti's, I find its more akin to the town in FOD with the mexican influence bearing strongly on the more conventional American town.
        I have to say that every trip I've taken to America (New York is my fave city in the world) I've come back wanting more, I try not to do the touristy things, I want to experince life in the good old US of A just as our many American compadres do on this forum. At home I follow baseball (Ok it maybe the Yankees but...  ;D ) which no one else I know does but I have an affiliation with the only sport I like, it is America's Favourite Past Time and to me is a much more involving engaging sport then Cricket, Soccer of Football.
        I've had these thoughts swirling around my mind ever since my trip to NY in the Summer, I've set my heart on going to live in America and work in its great film industry, not for fame or money, but so I can feel apart of a country that I adore, a country I feel at home with and a people I connect with. Cinema to me is the my one true love, (a lady friend has not entered the equation for a while but...) but America is my one true home and it adds to my viewing experience. And its coupled with a feeling that I'm already getting from my Spaghetti's, and one that I hope every filmmaker should have, and its the genuine and total love for the film and subject matter it deals with. I agree my views, are blighted, probably naive but don't get me wrong, no where is perfect and I understand that pros and cons exist everwhere but this is my passionate feeling, and if anyone has ever met me for a "and why I love this film" talk they'll know what I'm talking about.

Thanks for reading

Ollie

P.S. Thanks Once again to everybody here for making my fave forum and one I make sure I frequent at least once a day.

Next Update: 04.10.05 - A Fistful Of Previews


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: cigar joe on September 29, 2005, 04:01:16 PM
Looking forward to your comments LA, it should be very interesting, by the way did you in your viewing of AW's catch Villa Rides? , check it out too when you can.

PS love the title to this thread  ;D


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: shango on September 30, 2005, 08:41:26 AM
 Next time you come to America,Might I suggest that you visit the New Mexico/Arizona area.If you are a fan of Western films you will love the backdrop the area provides  :)


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on September 30, 2005, 11:24:36 AM
Re Joe: No I didn't get to see Villa Rides but I wil now!

Re Shango: I think I'll do that, thanks for the suggestion Shango!


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Smoker on October 01, 2005, 08:21:48 AM
Great Post LA.
Stay away from Wildwest spag trailer dvds. Very bad for your health. Fuelling a addiction... They become checklist for what you havn't seen. ;D


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on October 04, 2005, 07:10:03 AM
04.10.05

36 Films in an Hour and a Half?

Well thanks to Wild East and their For A Few Previews More disc I was able to see 36 spaghetti's, all be it very short versions of them. Last night I had a very enjoyable time. By the time the disc stopped and reverted back to the main menu my ears were ringing with the sound of gunshots and ricochets, as well as humming some damn addictive music.
      The trailers stem from 1961 with the Savage Guns and ended in 1982 with Insurgent Mexico. Now it was fortuitous that the first trailer of the film set, Savage Guns immedialty arrested my attention. There were quite a few films that I wanted to see in full, often mainly for curiosity's sake. Of the first 12 I really wanted to check out Savage Guns, Gunfighters of Casa Grande, Gunmen of the Rio Grande, The Texican, (despite the stupid name) The Hellbenders, The Hills Run Red, and Navajo Joe (please give me your opinions on each, the trailers brainwashed me into liking these films so if their not up to scratch and not wasting a dollar on then please let me know) However I had the most vile and horrific shock when the title For a Few Dollars Less zoomed on to the screen. At the end of its short running time I was so upset I wanted to cry. This looked like a very half arsed spoof of a good film from one of my favourite directors. It really looked like that they had watched the film once, set up a sight gag (such as the cannon firing onto the horse) and despite it looking odd said "meh close enough, now lets be even more vindictive and take the mickey out of another segment of what is a much better film then ours" I could be wrong but...
        Another great joy was to see how many famous US actors were in this collection. Also a surprise appearance from one of my favourite noir characters Dan Duryea from The Hills Run Red. Joseph Cotton, a luminary from the great Orson Welles, was pleasing in the amount of Westerns he starred in. Also great to see was John Huston, and most funny of all William Shatner in Rio Hondo as a "White Commanche". I suppose it was a good thing to have the star trek actor in this film as obbsessive trek fans hopefully would have checked out this wierd film (and get to love spaghetti's). The trailer in this was in very poor shape but I'm sure I heard dialogue go "Theres... Something on the wagon... some...thing... on the wagon" (apologies for such a poor Twilight Zone referance there). The most disturbing appearance though goes to an aged Ursulla Andress' left breast looking rather wrinked in Insurgent Mexico "shudder" luckily she didn't destory all my dreams from when I first saw her in Dr No
      There were other films that I definatly wanted to check out. These included A Minute To Pray, A Second To Die, The Devil Was An Angel, Kill The Wickeds, (Which seemed like a beefed up version of the John Wayne film North to Alaska) Shotgun, 100 Rifles, (I think this might be more for curiosity's sake) A Name That Cried Revenge, The Deserter, (I think mainly for the star power) and A Man Called Noon Looking at my choices I come to the conclusion that I seemed to be attracted to films either with journeys in them or deals with the idea of revenge or have bounty hunters in them. Looking at the spaghetti's I have I think this definalty the case and I thin this is somewhat true of my Hollywood westerns also.
      In the collection it was nice to see the Trailers for Once Upon A Time In The West and Duck You Sucker (making me wish even harder for the speedy release of the R1 DYS). However I think it is very apparent when looking at this collection the quality of the films take a major nose dive once they enter the 70's. The psychadelic and 'groovy' trailers seem to emphasie that the SW's were lost in the way they went forward. Bad Mans River (1971 starring Lee Van Cleef) seemed a particually good example of this with its forced humour just feeling, well, forced.
      This introduction to the Spaghetti Western was a very enjoyable experience, it exposed me to some great films to chase up on (and bug the posters here about) as well as giving me some great music tracks and excellent stunt sequences. The Wild East DVD is certainly good for introducing someone to the Spaghetti genre and depsite the quality being very bad at some points, if the film is a great spaghetti it shines through the print damage. It did make me wish I had bought A Fistful Of Trailers. Anyway it has set me up for tonights viewing experince, Johnny Yuma so please comment on what I've written, advise me on the films I liked and disliked and join me tomorrow for another trip into the Wild Spaghetti West.

Ollie

Next Update: 05.10.05 - Johnny Yuma

PS. Congrats to the New York Yankees for winning the AL East!


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: cigar joe on October 05, 2005, 05:32:12 AM
When you get a chance list the films you are going to watch.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on October 05, 2005, 12:20:50 PM
re - your request Joe here are the upcoming films (in order of my watching them)...

Johnny Yuma (Reviewed)
Between God, The Devil and a Winchester (Reviewed)
The Man From Nowhere (Reviewed)
Kill And Prey (Reviewed)
Pistoleros (Review Tomorrow)
Day of Anger
Django
Django Kill, If You Live Shoot
Run, Man, Run
Mannaja
The Big Gundown
Death Rides A Horse
Sabata
Return of Sabata
Texas Adios
A Bullet For The General
Companeros
Four of the Apocolypse
Keoma
My Name is Nobody
Nobody Is The Greatest


And now for my first Spaghetti feature review, Johnny Yuma

05.10.05

"Johnny dont go! Johnny stay here!"

Man this was an enjoyable film! My first non Leone Spaghetti ever and I really enjoyed it. It was similar in many ways to our great directors work but differed enough so it was enjoyable in its own right. The plot revolved around the title character Johnny Yuma (Mark Damon), whose aunt, Samantha (Rosalba Neri) murders his uncle when she discovers that Johnny is to inherit their ranch on his death not her. She sends out Carradine (Lawrence Dobkin) a shootist and her former lover to kill Johnny but instead after Johnny saves his life they both team up to face the odds.
       The film plays like a very enjoyable comic book, the often static camera almost becomes the seperate panels of a comic book, until the camera moves in a variety of interesting ways (the 360 degree movement of the camera highlighting a poker game/ the desert is a good example) that feels like the panels are joined together. Whilst the film is no comedy, it moves from light heartedness and action with ease which director Romolo Guerrieri uses very well, over the top extreme violence is balanced with enhanced (but not comic) noises which makes one feel that the word Pow! Should appear on the screen at some point. The only funny element I took issue with was a perverted parrot which seemed a little too Roger Moore Bond era to me.
     The opening of the film hooked me from the start. The film has no credits (as I have not seen the film before I don't know whether this is down to the print released by the DVD producer, Wild East, or if its always been like that.) Immediatly three dangerous looking men appear out of the desert (presumably Almeria) and demand a horse paying a woefully inadequate amout for it. A stranger appears and agree but asks them in side his Mexican quarters to thrash out the idea. He identifies/insults one of the men who has an eye patch by calling him Hawkeye, seemingly angrying the man.  Unsure, the three men enter cautiously and find the man has dissapeared. Suddenly the coin Hawkeye had offered the stranger roles towards him out of a partly open door. The three men enter and see the stranger standing at the other end, they fire but all they hit is a mirror, the door they have entered in closes and the stranger guns them down. After he finishes he sits dow, begins to eat some beans before getting up again to have sex with a prostitute. We then cut to the title sequence and through the song and the titles, we find out the stranger is Johnny Yuma.
      This enigmatic opening was enjoyable and was unexpected, its fun yet cold outlook on the life of a gunfighter was a good ploy and one that works well though out the film.
      As noted before there is very little camera movement. That coupled with some very sloppy editing (As well as times ravages of time on the print which produced droped frames and audio drop outs) makes the film seem kind of amatuerish. Granted the 1.85:1 is not the most spectacular ratio to do justice to a western, it serves its purpose here, emphasising the comic book effect. The music was great and I've been humming it all day at the editing studio. Acting was generally very good, and although some of the dubbing was  bad it was generally of an average quality and didn't detract that much from the enjoyment of the film. Dobkin and Damon play very good anti heroes, most likely on purpose echoing the interacting of Manco and Col. Mortimers interaction in FFDM. There was a mexican sidekick who was more of a, umm (I hate this phrase but I'll use it anyway) 'goody' version of Tucco for TGTBTU. The villainess' portrayal by Neri was excellent, she seemed particularly evil and was a very noir esque femme fatale.
        The DVD presentation was very good, with an average looking picture and good original mono sound. The picture and sound sometimes changed in quality (and for the audio, to German) which meant a sequence had been restored that was originally missing in the English language print. The German audio is subtitled in English. The missing footage is mainly when a child is beaten up, presumambly removed by censors or by the studios fearing it would be too much for the audiences of the day. Also included on the disc was an exhaustive picture gallery, four Mark Damon trailers and an alternate title sequence. (Note this disc is called Wild Easts Big Double Feature Excitement!!! from their Spaghetti Western Collection. It contains two films on one disc with some liner notes, which must not be read before a first viewing of film as they tell entire plot. The two films are Johnny Yuma and Between God, The Devil and A Winchester, the latter being  reviewed tomorrow.)
     In conclusion I can't recomend enough Johnny Yuma to Spaghetti fans and virgins a like. It lived up to expectations and is a very enjoyable spaghetti. Well done to Wild East  for bringing it out on DVD.

Join Me Next Time Folks!

Ollie

Next Update: 06.10.05 - Between God, The Devil and a Winchester


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on October 06, 2005, 12:26:12 PM
06.10.05

Between God, The Devil And A Winchester

hmm, an interesting film this was. Interesting, but not in an overly good way. It was watchable, it passed the time but it was certainly not as good as Johnny Yuma and most likely not a film I would approach again.
      The film deals with a treasure hunt. A criminal arrives in a hotel on the American/Mexican border. An adopted boy, Tommy lives with the owner, uncle Pinky and they are immedialty suspicious of the stranger. The boy serves the stranger some food who in turn tells him that he has a secret map and that Tommy must help him hide from some men who are looking for the map. Then one night, a group of Mexican bandits arrive, kill the stranger and try to find the map. When they can't find it they burn the hotel down. Another stranger arrives, a gringo (Richard Harrison), and he finds Tommy with the map. Tommy gives him the map and they hire a pistolero, (Gilbert Roland) who may be traitorous. They set out into the mountains with Uncle Pink (Strange name, I thought I had got it wrong and that it was Pete but Tommy definatly said Pink) and a band of men, meeting trouble where ever they go.
       The film reminds me of one of those not very good 80's films where the child was the hero, and they used to play on TV late on a Sunday afternoon. Winchester plays like that with Tommy. There are a few 'cute' interactions between the Pistolero and Tommy and the scrapes and dangers Tommy finds himself in certainly has a 'Goodies' feel to it. However the film is inter-spersed with quite brutal violence and it makes the two sit quite uncomfortably with each other, pulling the film in one way, and then the next.
      Another thing is the film is very low budget. At one point one of the character shouts "Avalance" even though there is no snow and there are no signs of rocks falling etc. We then cut to the next day and one of the men tells the Pistolero that there has been a rock slide, even though we see no evidence of such. I know that Spaghetti's were often of a low budget, so its a shame that such an idea here wasn't given a larger budget to make it more grand, which would have helped both the adult and the child aspects of the film.
    Acting was generally very poor, though the two leads, Harrison and Rowland were profficent. Dubbing was also very bad, especially of that of the character Tommy. Cinematography was muted and mixed, no doubt not helped at all by the appalling state of the print. Marino Girolami's direction was OK during the fight scenes but he seemed to let the temp slip and become bogged down at certain points. Music was unremarkable and the theme sounded like it came from the soundtrack of the PC Game; Mafia making it sound very dated.
      Wild East have given us a dreadful print of the film. Their is damage, artifacts, poor splices and audio and visual drop outs. Sound was in mono and was generally OK, though it did highlight the poor dubbing.
    The only extra on the disc was a brief photo gallery which was pretty comprehensive.
(Note this disc is called Wild Easts Big Double Feature Excitement!!! from their Spaghetti Western Collection. It contains two films on one disc with some liner notes, which must not be read before a first viewing of film as they tell entire plot. The two films are Johnny Yuma and Between God, The Devil and A Winchester.)
     All in all, this film wasn't a dissapointment (unlike A History of Violence)because I went into it with low expectations, it was an interesting way to pass the time. I look forward to watching the other Spaghetti's which I know can only get better.

Ollie

Next Update: 07.10.05 - The Man From Nowhere


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on October 08, 2005, 09:58:06 AM

08.10.05

The Man From Nowhere

A huge leap up from Between God, The Devil And A Winchester this very slick, enjoyable Spaghetti ranks up there and perhaps beyond that of Johnny Yuma in my Spaghetti watching experience so far.
     The film deals with the character Arizona Colt (Giuliano Gemma.) Freed from incarceration for an unknown crime, Arizona refuses to join the bandit band led by Gordo (Fernando Sancho.) He instread goes to the town of Blackstone, whose bank Gordo intends to rob and he becomes attracted to Jane (Corrine Marchand) When her sister is killed she promises to be Arizona's toy if he brings back the killer.
       The first thing you notice when this film starts is how amoral our 'protagonist' is supposed to be. He cheats at cards (something I don't believe I've ever seen in any western, please if I'm wrong do let me know) and he charges the father of the murdered daughter more then he can afford which means money and the giving of his supposedly unwilling daughter.
       The film also contains a very dark humour, one such example can be when Arizona spells out his answer to Gordo's request to join his group with the bodies of Gordo's men he just killed. This makes the character at the begining of the film a touch unlikeable and gives him a sense of self assuredness. All this is taken away from Arizona when he is serverly injured later on in the film.
       The acting is great with Gemma, carrying off the role of Arizona very well, adding to his character with little nuances and habits that makes him whole rounded and makes the often unlikeably character be more bearable.  Sancho plays Gordo with relish, making this over the top character and enjoyable, pantomine like villain. Marchand is also great as up tight girl who slowly melts under the later Arizona's charms.
       Direction is fast paced, the cinematography is very attractive and well framed and the music was again very catchy and of good quality (I adore Arizona's theme both in vocals and with the harmonica solos.)
       Wild Easts DVD presentation was very good, above average picture and audio quality was a great surprise and really highlighted the great composisitions on the 2.2:35 image and the rather good musical score. The picture quality does drop for a short time but Wild East have given us the explanation for this, "An additional scene, missing from the original English language release of THE MAN FROM NOWHERE has been restored by Wild East Productions from a European video source, which accounts for the degredation of quality in that scene."    I must admit I would rather have a uncut film and suffer 20 seconds (which was how long the additional scene is) of not to bad picture quality then have an a cut version of the film.
     Also contained was a collection of interesting Spaghetti trailers and another exhaustive photo collection. As usual there is music scoring the gallery but this time, Wild East have also included the original 30 second radio spot at the begining which was a nice surpise. 
      I very much enjoyed The Man From Nowhere as it seems to take the idea of Clints character in the dollar trilogy then play with it so he is really unlikeable. I heartily recomend this film and its DVD release.

Ollie

Next Update: 08.10.05 - Kill And Prey


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on October 08, 2005, 10:25:02 AM
08.10.05

Kill And Prey

Better known in Europe as Requiescant, this different and quite adult Spaghetti hooks you with its interesting tone and characters.
 A boy is the sole survivor of a massace of his family and his people for their land by gringo land grabbers. He is found by a travelling priest and his wife and daughter. The boy grows up and is named Requiescant (Lou Castel) meaning 'Rest in Peace'. The elderly preachers daughter, Princie, runs off to join a travelling show girls circus and Requiescant goes off to look for her. His quest brings him to the insane 'aristocrat' Ferguson (Mark Damon of Johnny Yuma fame) his employees are holding Princie as a prostitute. Requiescant's quest brings him on the trail of redemption, violence and betrayal.
        Staright away, the film begins on a violent note with the killing of the boys family and people. The camera holds on the bullets impacting the people and the child is shown to be seriously wounded by a bullet that scrapes the top of his head. Then later on, the mixture of religion and the often cruel way he kills the people that he believes 'done him wrong' This involves an interesting duel involving two people hanging from the ceiling standing on stools and the idea that each has to shoot the stool away from the other to kill him. 
      The film does have some plot holes but these can be looked over as they help to add to the mood and the style of the piece. This can been seen where requiescant returns to the place where his family was murdred 20 years earlier and all the bones are still there. You would have thought the murderes would want to have hidden the body, especially when we later learn that they are very worried about being found out about the massacre. But the sight of Requiescant finding the bones and seemingly going insane is a very powerful sequence. Also some more unbelievable sections of the film, the fact that depsite he has never shot a gun before in his life, he is a crack shot and never misses and can be seen to add to the more mysterious side of the character.
        The film has some very black humor, which I have come to expect from Spaghtti's even after just watching four of them. Again this adds to the quite downbeat mood of the movie, especially when Requiescant is actually chastised by a priest for enjoying the killing, citing that he is becoming an evil person and yet one that fighters need.
        Acting again was great with Castel excelling himself as the creepy protagonist. However Damon was the best actor, relishing and chewing up the scenery as the slightly insane Ferguson. Its such a change both physically (he looks a lot like James Dean in this film) and mentally from his portrayal of the hero in Johnny Yuma that it shows what a great actor the man was. Ferguson's character is rascist, sexist, violent and he has homesexual tendencies towards his men and it adds to all the dangerous quality (this is heavily written about on the back of the DVD)
       Directing was distinctive, fast paced, quirky and exciting and the tight 1.85:1 was dirty and added to the feel of the film. Dubbing was overal of a good quality as was with the sound and music, though there wasn't a really distinctive song like the previous Spaghetti's I have watched.
        The transfer that Wild East has given us is the best I have seen so far, there is still a little damage but colors were stong and vibrant. Sound quality was also very good. Also included is some more Spaghetti trailers, this time involving Lou Castel, another exhaustive photo gallery and a rather entertaining interview with Lou Castel who remembers fondly working on the film and its director Carlo Lizzani.
         I very much recomend this film to all Spaghetti fans. It is an interesting, adult and strange interpretation of the west, a sort of step up I believe to what Django Kill will be like.

Ollie

Next Update: 09.10.05 - Pistoleros


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on October 14, 2005, 06:04:44 AM
Many, many apologies for the delay in writing more reviews. The editing studio has been very busy this week with projects and I have been working over time (and I am also in the early stages of a flu like illness  :-[ . ) Anyway heres the first of three reviews I want to do today.

14.10.05

Pistoleros

This was a strange film. Despite the fact that it quite heavily takes the major plot points from FAFDM such as two gunmen, one young, one old after a leader of a  gang. The Young one (Nigros) because of the rich bounty on the gang member (El Bedoja) and the other (Kud) for reasons of revenge. They foil the robbery of a safe from a bank (very Leone) before both hunting the group down.
       The film was enjoyable but it was very, very Leone esque. From the choice in editing, direction and cinematography as well as the music sounding like they had taken major cues from More such as the watch chiming. However the film fails in its copying of such a great film. The killer, Bedoja, whilst killing innocent people doesn't have the same menace as Volante's villain in FAFDM Similarily, for Kud we don't have much sympathy for his tale of vengence, for one reason because the flash back later is very poorly done and secondly because the character doesn't seem to be burning with desire to kill Bedoja, unlike Col. Mortimer in Leone's film.
       The film looks nice, cinematography is servicable, helping the action on screen and editing seems to help the story move at a brisk pace. The acting was generally of a good standard, but i found the music lacking in quality in some scenes.
       Wild East's DVD is a bit of a mixed bag. The film is presented (for the first time) in an Anamorphic print, taken from an Italian version. The film looks very nice, despite the fact that there is some damage to the print, colors are very strong, shadows are well defined and there is little extraneous noise. However the audio is terrible, dialogue is surrounded and almost drowned out by very audible hiss. There are audio drop outs in which dialogue is completely missing. I presume this is the best WE had to work with but its a shame when compared to the very good visual quality.
      Included on the DVD are some entertaining Anthony Ghidra trailers, another exhaustive picture gallery as well as the English language version opening credits.
     This film was entertaining but seemed to copy too much the superior For A Few Dollars More. I consider Pistoleros to be a minor tentpole in the great genre that is spaghetti westerns. If your a big fan of the genre, you might want to check it out. It maybe of use to show to people who only know of Leone's works because of their major simularities. Anyway it gave me another night of Spaghetti enjoyment.

Ollie

Next Update: 14.10.05 - Day of Anger


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on October 14, 2005, 07:17:22 AM
14.10.05

Day of Anger

Man this film was a blast! A very enjoyable, almost tongue in cheek Spaghetti with excellent direction, a cracking score and two of the best actors of the spaghetti genre, Lee Van Cleef and Giuliano Gemma. Add that with a fully packed DVD Special Edition from Wild East
      Gemma is Scott, a son of a whore, who is treated with disdain by the people of Clifton Arizona. He is trained on and off by a retired sheriff called Murph (Walter Rilla). Then one day, in rides Lee Van Cleef as Frank Talby, an aging proffessional gunfighter. After some incidents with the towns folk, Talby rides off, trailed by an admiring Scott. After Scott saves Talby's life they team up as mentor and pupil. However Scott realises that Talby isn't the hero he thinks he is and he must be stopped before he takes over the whole town!
      When the opening bars of Talby's theme blast over the opening credits, you know that this film is going to be a very fun ride. Those looking for a film thats a thoughtful dissertation on the death of the west and the decline of the gunfighter should go and look at Once Upon A Time In The West. But if those same people, and others want a film thats over the top, fun, well acted, well scored and well directed then they should definatly check out this film.
     Lee Van Cleef as Talby is brilliant. It's like Angel Eyes crawled out of the grave, then changed his identity as Talby and walked on into town. Cleef, for me at any rate, seems to command the screen as he growls through his dialogue and shoots at everything and everyone in site. He also makes a very good Saloon owner!. Gemma is also very good as the outcast who becomes feared and respected around town. His devotion and eventual turning to and againts Talby is believable and he handles himself very well in the actions scenes.
      As well all know, director Tonino Valerii is a Leone graduate and he, as well as having some Leone esque moments in this film, creates an interesting style of his own with inventive framing and shots. I also noticed (and I wonder if this is a salute to his master) that alot of the locations in this film can be seen in the dollar's trilogy.
     The film has some interesting set pieces, including a duel set on horseback with two people firing percussion rifles almost like a medievil joust. A bit over the top perhaps but never the less, still very entertaining.
      The music is also very similar in the way that its over the top but also very enjoyable. With Talby's and Scott's themes merging into one making a rousing sound, thrusting the film forward along with its very fats and tight pacing.
       Wild East present this DVD in a special edition touting it as the "Fully Restored Widescreen Version." Image wise, this could not be truer. Taken from an Italian print, the film has very little print damage, and whilst still not being anamorphic, is of a quite high standard and quality. However the same cannot be said about the audio. The english audio track seems to be fine at some points and then at other times it can become louder, quiter or drop out altogether. What is good of them though is to include the Italian audio track, which to me sounds roughly the same, as well as an isolated audio music and sound effects track which is interesting to listen to.
        The DVD is stacked with extras. We kick off with a 17 minute featurette entitled Gemma on Gemma, an interview with Giuliano Gemma. This is a very interesting interview with the star who describes with interest his working with Valeri, Cleef and his other co-stars during the making of the move. Also included is a picture gallery, sadly not set to music this time but still very informative, as well as the US, International and DVD trailers/ Another bonus is the featurette entitled Almeria Then and Now which takes comparison photos, much like those found on most of the Leone DVD's, of how the location looked in '68 and then in 2000. We round off with two alternate title sequences, one from the US print and the other from the international print.
     This film was very, very enjoyable. Its fun, crammed with action and has great stars. I highly recomend all Spaghetti fans, new and old to check out this film!

Ollie

Next Update: 14.10.05 - Django


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Post by: grandpa_chum on October 14, 2005, 08:48:51 AM
great reviews... man from nowhere sounds pretty decent... can't wait for django


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Post by: cigar joe on October 15, 2005, 06:21:23 AM
Keep 'em comming, I enjoyed Day Of Anger also.


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Post by: Leone Admirer on October 15, 2005, 07:47:01 AM
15.10.05

Django

Now I knew of the reputation that this film had on these forums. It wasn't a very positive one, but going in to watch this film I tried to keep an open mind. When the screen went dark and the DVD reverted to the menu I came away with a feeling that I actually did enjoy this film. Not incredibly so but as a piece of entertainment, it was an enjoyable film.
       Django (Franco Nero) walks onto the screen dragging a coffin. He see's a bunch of mexicans trying to whip a woman. Before he has time to react men covered in red balaclavas shoot the mexicans and come down to punish the woman themselves. However this time, Django intervenes and kills the red hooded men. He enters a town with the woman and sets up camp at the saloon. He find's the town is nearly empty and if informed that this is because there are two gangs fighting over the territory. One under the control of Major Jackson and his red scarves and the other led by a mexican bandit who can't return home. As the film carries on and Django gets into more and more scrapes between the two groups, we learn that Django has an ulterior motive concerning the major which involves the death of a loved one.
     The film is different in its portrayal of the West then the previous Spaghetti's I have seen in my non-Leone series of films. The town is shown in the height of winter, its muddy, dirty, empty and wet. The film has a low budget, ewhich I think is used to quite an effect in the mood of the ghost town but does lend itself to quite a few continuity errors. This could be seen when Django fires a tripod mounted machine gun and the bullets either side of the loading bay don't move, and in one close up, it seems the gun flares are being created by flash bulbs. There are other faults with the film as well. A camerman can be very distinctly seen during a bar fight. Also the red hoods of the Colonels Men are not very effective at all. Again, according to the accompanying featurette this was done because the background artists were not 'handsome' enough to be his men so they had to be covered up. It seems to me they have taken the idea of the cowboy's, who during the era of Wyatt Earp and Tombstone (shown in, what is my opinion a darn good western called Tombstone) used to wear a small red sash to show they were apart of the cowboy group. However in Django the bright red doesn't really work and does seem very out of place with the mood of the film.
      The characters and acting in the film are also very interesting. Django is a very enigmatic figure, especially with the rather bleak image of him carrying the mud and slime encrusted coffin. For those who haven't seen the film I wont disapoint them by telling whats in the coffin, but for those who have seen it, would (hopefully) agree that the idea of what was in the coffin could perhaps have been made more upon to give it perhaps a more meaningful presentation of Django's life at that moment.  Nero's portrayal of him as a very tortured man is actually quite touching and the very severe beatings that he gets does leave you with sympathy for him.
    Colonel Jackson (Eduardo Fajardo) is an interesting antagonist. Throughout quite a bit of the movie he does seem to be very scared of Django and therefore looses a bit of his threatning air that we would often associate with Spaghetti villains. The mexican bandit leader however does have some humour to his person, but is actually also the most violent. This leaves the viewer with the feeling that both groups are as bad as the other and Django's seemingly one man war against them isn't that bad.
    The girl that Django rescues at the begining of the film does seem to be a bit sidelined and perhaps lost a bit in the action but she does serve as one of the major points in the story.
     Corbucci's direction is efficent. He seems to be working well with the means that he was given but mistakes definatly occur (another is a car can be very distinctly seen in the graveyard.) He handles the scnes of brutal violence quite well, with the ear cutting off sequence (definatly an influence on Tarantino) and the severe beating of Django definatly still shocking, even if the makeup does seem a little off. The cinemematography is quite interesting with some arresting composistions and the camera often doing some interesting movement. Dubbing is often of a sub-standard condition, but the sound design and the music all help to make this an entertaining film.
      Blue Underground bring us "Sergio Corbucci's immortal classic - now restored from the original negative!" At the bottom of the blurb at the back of the DVD they cite the fact that "This definitive edition of DJANGO has been re-mastered from the original camera negative, recently discovered in a Rome vault untouched for over three decades. Also included for the first time is the optional Italian audio track featuring Franco Nero's own voice. Following two years of extensive restoration, Blue Underground is now proud to present the most stunning version of DJANGO you will ever see." The restoration of the film is very good. The video is sharp, preserving the muted colors of the original transfer and is presented uncut. There is some damage but Blue Underground helpfully put a notice at the front of the film actually apologising for some of the damage that couldn't be removed during the restoration.
      The audio is also very good with no hiss and clicks. It does highlight the poor dubbing of the English track but I also listened to the Italian language track which was much richer.
            The film comes with the featurette Django: The One and Only. This is made up with interviews with the star Franco Nero and the AD, Ruggero Deodato, and they freely discuss their opinions of the film and the director. I found this a very intersting doco, which I watched after the move as a title card appears before you being to watch it, advising that due to the fact that it contains spoilers, it is recomended not to be viewed before the movie. Also included is a theatrical trailer, an interesting photo and still gallery as well as some Talent bios.
          Also included of the DVD is the short The Last Pistolero starring Franco Nero. It is a film of style over substance. Beautfully shot in black and white, it looks sumptious but I hated the electronic rubbish they added to Morricone's score from FOD. The film was very cold and to be honest I didn't really like it with my only admiration being the look of the film.
         Django was an interesting film. Whilst I no way think its "Immortal classic" or a "Landmark classic" I do think it is an entertaining film in its own right which is let down by its very low budget. I think those who have seen it certainly have their own opinions on it, and for those who haven't seen it, I do recomend a viewing so you have seen one of the supposed "Must See" Spaghetti's.

Ollie

Next Update: 15.10.05 - Django Kill...If You Live Shoot!


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Post by: Leone Admirer on October 15, 2005, 08:21:17 AM
15.10.05

Django Kill... If You Live Shoot!

Boy! What an incredibly stange film. This is a very violent western with some very, very good editing and direction and an interesting story.
      Tomas Milian is The Stranger, a half breed band who was double crossed and the left for dead. He climbs out of his grave, and with the help of two native Indians goes to track down the men who double crossed him. He discovers they have gone to a town only known as the 'Unhappy Place' and when he arrives he finds that all but one of the men who betrayed him are dead and the object that he was double crossed for is missing. He enters a world of gruesome torture, graphic violence and sexual depravity.
      This film is as nasty as it sounds. The stranger is constantly beaten, betrayed and upset. He is haunted by horrific dreams of the betrayal by his friend who stole a precious item from him. When he enters the town, he finds he only has one friend, a boy played by Raymond Lovelock, who begs to come with him so he can leave this horrific town. The town seems to be run by a mexican bandit called Zorro, whose men are dressed in Nazi like uniforms and march about everywhere as if they were stormtroopers. We also unfortuanatly find out, though the boys experiences that they have violent homosexual tendencies and in a very uncomfortable scene they 'have their way' with the boy.
      In the town no one seems to be who they are. Friends become enemies and supposed enemies become friends. The towns folk seem as guilty in violence and greed as Zorro is and this is highlighted by various horrific acts such as men literally pulling an injured mans chest apart to reach some gold bullets and a lynch mob who skin a man whilst all the participants look on, seemingly enjoying the violence a bit too much .
     Milian's stranger is horrified by it all and this is very well played by the actor. We belief his grief when a person he sympathises the most with is killed because of greed. Zorro, the boss, is played with overt menace and during the scen with the boy, which plays out like a very horrific nightmare, seems to almost aprove of what his men are doing.
      The direction by Questi is very good. He seem's expert at making use intriguing framing and cinematography as well as adding to the nightmare qualities of the film. He is very adapt at pulling off the shocking violence in the film, amazingly showing some restraint at his depiction also. The editing and writing by Franco Arcalli (who should be familair to Leone fans because of his co-writing credit on Once Upon A Time In America)are also very intriguing and of a very high standard. The editing adds to the nightmarish element of the film through its almost subliminal cuts and images. The sound design was also very good, with the score, whilst not being very grand, served the film well in emphasising its disturbing mood.
    An element of the film I didn't like was a torture scene involving bats. It was so low budget all we had we reaction shots of Milian and then some stock footage shots of some cute looking bats (and I'm not really a fan of bats but the ones they showed in this film did look rather sweet) hanging on tropical zoo looking branches.
    Blue Underground have given us a sterling DVD. On the back of the box they cite "This definitive presentation of DJANGO KILL! has been created from original Italian negative materials with all its infamous scenes of savgery and slaughter now fully restored for the first time ever in America." The transfer is very good. The 'scope' cinematography looking very sharp and the whites and yellows of the ever unforgiving desert look particualy good. There is very little print damage. As said the film is presented uncut and oon starting the film, a title card appears telling the viewer that the scenes restored never had an English soundtrack dub done for them so they are presented in their original Italian audio and supplied with English subtitles. There is very little drop in quality when these scenes occur and I Found the switching of the audio to be not at all intrusive. The English audio track is very good with no hiss and pops. The film is also presented with its original Italian soundtrack.
    The main extra on this release is the featurette entitled Django, Tell! which is made up with interviews with Co-Writer/Director Guilo Questi and stars Tomas Miian and Ray Lovelock. All three frankly discuss working with each other, on the film and they also debunk and add fire to myths surrounding what occured on the set. We learn that Django Kill is Questi's least favourite film title as the film has nothing to do with Nero's Django character and that he prefers (which I must admit my prefered title) Se Sei Vivo Spara   (If You Live, Shoot!) Also to be found are three easter eggs. One can be found on the special features menu, the other on the main menu and the last on the languages and subtitles menu. These are quite interesting and fun to watch. Also included is a (quite rubbish to be honest) theatrical trailer and an intersting poster & still gallery.
     This film made for interesting, if uncomfortable viewing. However it hurtles on at such a fast pace that the time will go quite quickly. A film I wouldn't recomend to the easily disturbed, I would recomed it to Spaghetti fans and newcomers who were looking for an 'extreme' spaghetti.

Ollie

Next Update: 16.10.05 - Run, Man, Run.
     


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Post by: HEX on October 15, 2005, 01:26:25 PM
dont mean to be a bit of a smart ass but
the music in THE LAST PISTOLERO is taken from A FISTFUL OF DOLLARS. i share youre opinion on the electronic theme they mixed it in with the music,it was pure crap.

either way great job on these reviews. ;)
keep em coming. though i dont see how u enjoyed  DJANGO KILL

over DJANGO

but everyone has there preferences. and there always interesting to hear.














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Post by: Leone Admirer on October 15, 2005, 01:30:40 PM
Thanks Hex, I do apologise over my little continuity gaff, I watched this film on Friday night and did the review this morning and I obviously put the wrong film down. Watching it now I can't believe I made such a stupid mistake :(.  Anyway I have corrected it now.

I don't think it was a preferance for Django Kills, but I think the film tried to be different unlike Django and in some way pulls it off, but hey its only my opinion.

And thanks for the encouragement! Still got a few more to go but I'm enjoying writing about them.


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Post by: Leone Admirer on October 16, 2005, 07:40:34 AM
16.10.05

Run Man Run!

I really, really enjoyed this last night. The film has everything going for it, great story, great actors, great direction and a great score by Morricone and it all adds up to a very entertaining experience.
     Milian is Cuchillo, a peasent knife thrower who finds himself in jail. His cell mate turns out to be an important member of a Mexican revolutionary group, and he offers Cuchillo $100 dollars to get him free. Curchillo breaks them both out of jail and takes the 'poet' to his destination. On arrival the poet is killed by a bandit group and he commands Cuchillo to go to Texas with a newspaper he gives him to bring back $3 million worth of gold back for the revolutioanry fund. Cuchillo finds himself being chased by American Agents, his hot blooded fiance (The fiery Chelo Alonso) and a sheriff turned bounty hunter (Donal O'Brien.)
    The film does contain politcial overtones, which you would expect in an Italian film dealing with a revolution. But, the message is forced upon the audience every second of the film and this helps to create a very enjoyable atmosphere. This is a 'journey' film with Cuchillo meeting lots of wierd, wonderful and nasty people and the entire presentation of the film, from the direction, characterisation and score help to represent this.
      The acting in this film is of a very high quality. Milian is as great as always and his character, who is almost always very likeable and quite honorable is always welcomed on screen. The fiery Alonso is more of a comic character, with her scenes of chasing down her man, not really helping, but also not really harming, the story. O'Brien plays the gringo bounty hunter very well, bringing over his gruff demanor but also a sense of personal honor that does seem to be out of place in this harsh world.
      Direction in this film by Sergio Sollima was excellent, the pace was fast and furious, the action is expertly handled and the humor is done just right, with its pitch black tones so well found in rthe spaghetti western genre.  The sequences in the snow were absolutely beautifully shot and the cinematography of this film is of a very high standard.
      The music was also excellent. Its an interesting story that because of contract obligations from another movie, Morricone scored this film but had to put the name of the conductor, Bruno Nicolai as the composer. The score is very rich, with many motifs that are found in Morricone's work and the different themes for all the character stay with you for a long time.
    Blue Underground describe the transfer used in this DVD release as being "Fully restored from the original vault materials and is now presented uncut and uncensored for the first time in America." The visual quality of the transfer is of a high standard. It's not flawless, there are some splices, debris and detritus but it certainly looks miles better then the scope films of the Wild East DVD's. The English mono soundtrack sound excellent, bringing out the dialogue and the fantastic soundtrack really well. Also included is the original Italian mono track.
    Blue Underground has also included a 17 minute featurette entitled Run Man Run: 35 Years Running which contains interviews with the Director, Sergio Sollima and the star Tomas Milian. This is a very interesting featurette, with both imparting little known facts about the production as well as describing working with each other. Also included is the rarely-seen (and in my opinion for a good reason) 60's documentary about the spaghetti western phenomenon called Westerns Italian Style. This documentary doesn't impart any infomation that we don't already know and its staged sequences are quite embarrasing (as well as the sound track from the band John & Wayne.) However it does contain interviews with directors Castellari, Corbucci and Sollima as well as some behind the scenes footage from the Great Silence and Run Man Run as well as the best bit which is an all too brief behind the scens footage of the making of the rail road outside the McBain ranch in Once Upon A Time In The West.
     Also included is a very good trailer, a good poster and stills gallery as well as some Talent Bios and the Italian Main Title sequence, which differs a bit from the English language version.
     I had been really looking forward to this film ever since I saw the trailer and it did not dissapoint at all. It's a testiment to how good it was because I stared watching it at 2am and it finished at about 4am and it kept me riverted through out. I really recomend this to all spaghetti fans, new and old. It really is a great spaghetti.

Ollie

Next Update: 18.10.05 - Mannaja: A Man Called Blade


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Post by: boardwalk_angel on October 16, 2005, 08:03:13 AM
Totally agree, Admirer, about Run, Man, Run ... it's one of my favorites..& IMHO one of the best of the Non-Leone Spaghettiers...
 Tomas Milian is terrific as 'Cuchillo'... even better than in "Big Gundown"....Donal O'Brien's very good, in a somewhat different role than his usual Italian Western characters,  ( The character 'type" is definitely Van Cleefian)...John Ireland in a small role.. a rousing score. Both brutal and funny... The title music ranks 10/10 in the "I can't get this outta my head" category..it's very catchy.


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Post by: Marco Leone on October 16, 2005, 02:36:33 PM
I've been really enjoying reading the reviews, and slowly but surely adding them to my site.  Keep it up!   ;D


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Post by: Leone Admirer on October 16, 2005, 02:46:20 PM
Thanks Marco! I've jsut seen some of my reviews on your site and its very good to see them! I hope its been as enjoyable for yourself to read them as it has been for me to watch and review.  Nice to see someone agrees with me as well boardwalk, I am looking forward to watching The Big Gundown on Tuesday.


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Post by: cigar joe on October 17, 2005, 05:56:17 AM
LA only one already too late suggestion you probably should have watched The Big Gundown first, that one introduces us to Cuchillo.

If I may make another suggestion, from your list of ones to watch save Companero's for last, its always best to go out with a bang. ;D But it looks as if you are having fun, keep up the great reviews.


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Post by: Leone Admirer on October 18, 2005, 01:17:51 PM
18.10.05

Mannaja: A Man Called Blade

Supposedly one of the last, if not the last, great Spaghetti Western Mannaja is an enjoyable, if flawed movie.
   Blade (Maurizo Merli) rides into a town seemingly owned completely by a man called Edward Mcgowan. Looking to stay in town, he is made to approach a man called Voller (John Steiner) who is Mcgowan's right hand man. Blade and Voller have a fight and Mannaja retreats to Mcgowans house to find he has a daughter. Blade demands that Mcgowan hire him before leaving to sleep the night through. The next day he discovers the town is being almost worked to death at Mcgowan's silver mine. Blade meets up with Mcgowan and again they fight. He retreats from town where he finds a group of chorus girls and one, Angela, he falls in love with.
       The film has a very heavy dream like atmosphere though out. This is due to the erratic editing, excellent framing, the use of over and undercranking the camera (which the director, Sergio Martino, admits was heavily influenced by Sam Peckinpah) and the heavy use of fog and soft light filters on the camera and smoke machines. The reason for the smoke was actually practical as well. The film was shot on what was supposedly at that time, the last intact Western town set in Italy and even that was falling to bits, so they had to use a smoke machine to hide the disrepair of the set.
     The opening heavily influences this when an (at this point in the story) unidentified man (Donal O'Brien) is being chased through some dark and smoky woods by an unseen man on a horse. His footsteps are exagerated, he seems to be running in slow motion and the horse's hoofbeat seems to take on the appearance of the strangers heart beat. Then the stranger has his hand chopped off by the unseen man who turns out to be Blade.  The film then launches into the song and titles.
    This stark and eye opening introduction is, in my opinion, the best section of the movie. All the different areas of sound, cinematography, acting, editing and direction all collide together to make a truly arresting introduction, something the rest of the film cannot replicate despite how hard it tries.
      Merli is excellent as Blade. He pulls off the cool persona of a troubled and revenge driven man very well, and when he recovers from a horrific torture seqeunce, we feel through the use of POV and Merli's pained expression, the hurt that the man is going through. It is sad that Merli died only five years after making this movie, during a game of Tennis.
     I thought Steiner was quite a good villain. He certainly had the looks to be one and I hated the character (In the way you're meant too.) He was quite menacing when he needed to be and you could believe that he was capable of the despicable acts that he does in this film.
     I also thought Brochard was very good as Angela who was the 'tart with the heart' that Blade fell in love with.
      The film does have some plot holes. A character who is murdered in the last third of the film is never mentioned again, Blade seemingly doesn't recognise his tormenter despite seeing his name emblazoned all over town. This doesn't really detract from the moviegoing experience but it would have been nice if more care had been put into these plot points.
      As noted before, direction by Martino is excellent and cinematography is excellent, sometimes with some very arresting and startling images and angles. Music is of an over all high standard, but a song about one of the characters being a Judas was quite dire to be honest.
       Blue Underground present this DVD completely restored from "Original Italian vault materials" The picture quality is of a general high quality. There are some damage marks and there is a very high abundance of grain at the begining of the film (which I don't find a real negative point) but generally the anamorphic scope print quality is pleasing. The mono is of a good quality and is presented in either original English or Italian. The DVD also contains, restored back into the print an "Infamous 'eyeball torture' scene"
     The DVD contains the 12 minute featurette A Man Called Sergio which is an interview with the director Sergio Martino. Here was get to learn some interesting tid bits about the production. Also found is an interesting poster and still gallery as well as a Sergio Martino Bio.
      This film marks the end of my four film experience with Blue Underground. I think its a shame they haven't produced any more Spaghetti DVD releases and, after the high quality of these four, I implore them to do more.  The film itself was enjoyable, it played the usual elements of the spaghetti genre whilst using a fresh new cinematic perspective. Again I recomend this film to all established Spaghetti fans and newcomers.

Ollie


Next Update: 19.10.05 - The Big Gundown


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Post by: Marco Leone on October 18, 2005, 01:33:49 PM
Good review again, sir.  I've only watched "Man Called Blade" once, and I did enjoy it (rated it 3/4, but it would have been a low 3).  The intro scene is the highlight of the movie for me.

Mine is a very old and well watched video that I got from ebay, and the picture quality is very poor.  It made it a struggle to watch, and maybe it merits replacement at some point.


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Post by: Marco Leone on October 18, 2005, 01:37:01 PM
Thinking about the "Love the Dubbs" comment...... (which I did seconds after pressing the 'post' button!).........

My "upstairs" video player must have a problem with the heads or something, because whatever you watch on it the lip sync is out.  Therefore you can watch even the most modern films and get that spaghetti western dubbing feel!!!!   :D


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Post by: HEX on October 18, 2005, 03:34:59 PM
excellent review again sir.


its true villains should be hated. any villian who is likable in anyway is a failed achievement of making a sinister character.

the one character i hated more then voller was definatly
*SPIOLERS*(IF U HAVENT WATCHED THE FILM DONT READ FURTHER)

vollers girlfriend(and the daughter of  MCGOWAN). what a little whore! it was a complete shock to see her with voller. she so should have gotten a hacthet impaled on her face at the end of that film.


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Post by: Leone Admirer on October 20, 2005, 01:29:57 PM
Thanks for the encouragment guys and am glad your all enjoying the reviews. Its very interesting to hear your views derringdo and looking back at Run Man Run I do agree with you on some of your points. Anyway on to the next two reviews...

20.10.05

The Big Gundown

This film has been "Rated the best non-Leone western by visitors to the web forum at www.sartana.homestead.com" I personally don't agree with that, but i still felt The Big Gundown was a solid Spaghetti Western.
    After a brief introduction in which we are introduced to bountry hunter Jonathan Corbett (Lee Van Cleef), we find him at a wedding party which is intertrupted when three men inform the host and guests that a 11 year old girl has been raped and murdered by a bandit called Cuchillo (Thomas Milian). Corbett jumps at the chance to hunt the man down and so begins a chase across the south west of the US into Mexico with both sides meeting strange and sometimes violent characters.
     The plot of the film is interesting, and is obviously the blue print that the sequel Run Man Run would follow. The film contains many interesting characters that the two main protagonists encounter such as Mexican Chief of police, Cuchillo's wife and an Austrian count who wants to have a duel with Corbett due to his reputations.
     The film contains alot less comic situations then Sollima's sequel Run Man Run and I think that with the inclusion of Van Cleef's character this works in favour of this film. This also coupled with the rather adult situation that sent Corbett on his quest to find Cuchillo, which I must admit caught me a little off guard, and it adds to the whole mood of the film. However I must admit, Cuchillo, whilst a quite comedic fellow does act through the begining of the movie as if he did it and this contrast with the comedic side of the film doesn't sit that well, especially in a scene with the Mormans and a little girl.
      The acting in the film is of a high standard. Van Cleef is excellent as usual as the gruff gunfighter who takes all hell to find the lowely Cuchillo. Cleef is able to play his characters with a human side and you genuinely feel, and along with the direction see, how out of place he is in the Mexican Town, very reminiscant of Hackman in The French Connection II.
     Milian is effective as Cuchillo. He manages to seem to be an untrustworthy toe rag, but also amusing. However I would admit that the character isn't as developed as it is in Run Man Run and therefore some of his less tangible qualities can leave you will little sympathy at times. Milian's almost animalistic moves add to the rat like qualities of Cuchillo.
     The film is directed with gusto by Sollima. We have fast horse rides, great gun battles, a humerous bull fight, spiderous femme fatales and large panaramic vistas. The frames often have a dry, dirty look on them, especially in the Mexico regions and it really emphasises the non-glamerous aspects of Corbett's job.
     The Morriconne score is great also. I have to admit it took me a while to like it and I prefer the orchestral version of the main theme, not the one that plays over the main credits but it is effective, whilst not being one of his most memorable scores, and certainly not as good as the one in Run Man Run. The best bits of the score are first, when he uses some what I belive is Beethoven as part of the Austrian count's theme which I thought was nice dark humorous touch, an aspect that this film has a lot of, and when the sound becomes almost like Jungle animal noises during a scene where Cuchillo runs in some tall grass whilst being hunted like an animal. This is a similar effect to the dingo call in the begining of TGTBTU.
    This DVD has been created by major Spaghetti Fan, Franco Cleef. He has used a transfer from an italian print for the best a/v as well as because it contains all the scenes that have been removed from the US Theatrical release. The 2.2:35 cinematogrpahy translates well on this disc with little print damage and high sharpness levels. The only negative point being that the picture is perhaps a little washed out. The disc also includes the longest English soundtrack version avaliable. Cleef has sourced English elements from TV Broadcast's, VHS's and other sources for the best elements and also to find English dialogue for the scenes that had been removed on the US cut. For the scenes that never were dubbed into English, Franco has kept the Italian soundtrack and included subtitles. For a person who has never seen the US theatrical cut, I was able to see how much had been cut out and how little sense the US version must make! Some of the music has been taken from a digital source to dramatically increase the quality. All the information about the reconstruction can be found in the extensive production notes Franco has written for this disc. The film also has the original Italian soundtrack. Both English and Italian tracks are in PCM Mono.
   The disc also contains the original US Theatrical trailer along with the reconstruction notes.
    This is a damn fine western, mature themes mixed with gritty humour and violence. A definate recomendation for Spaghetti fans both new and old.

Ollie

Next Update: 20.10.05 - Death Rides A Horse


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on October 20, 2005, 02:08:09 PM
20.10.05

Death Rides A Horse

An excellent, rip roaring revenge spaghetti that grabs you from the outset, even if the "shocking surprise" at the end can be guessed within the first ten minutes this fun, nasty, dark, suspenseful, stuffed with action and humerous film is another great film in the spaghetti genre.
This film opens savagely with a family being raped and then killed. One boy survives who grows up to become Bill (John Philip Law) a man forever looking for the people who murded his folks. One day, a man called Ryan (Lee Van Cleef) is released from incarceration. Angry for being betrayed, he goes out to get those who framed him and put him in prison. Bill finds out that Ryan is after the same gang he is and is killing them off, before he lets him finish Bill chases Ryan and a strange partnership is formed.
       The opening of the film literally throws you into the deep end. You have no cute family scenes, the only scene before the massacre is some men and Bill's father arriving at Bills house with $200,000, told to the audience through rather clunky dialogue. The title sequence offers us no escape as we see through out the men sneaking up to the house to do the horrific deed. This whole opening is expertly directed by Guilo Petroni, who uses voyeuristic techniques by giving us the POV of the young Bill watching his mother and his sister being violated by the brutal men. In this sequence we see the only means that Bill has to identify each one. A face, a tatoo, an earring, a scar and a pendulant of the man who saved him.
     Lee Van Cleef plays Ryan as man haunted by his past events and driven by anger aimed at the men who set him up in jail. As soon as he meets young Bill, he becomes a father like figure to the young man, teaching him the elements of gun play and almost playing with him during the chase for the other bandits.
    John Philip Law plays Bill as if he was a younger Ryan, a fact that will become important later on in the story. He is constantly driven by anger and the desire to revenge his parents. His gun control is remarkable and even impresses Ryan. Bill looks up to Ryan affectionatly, calling him Grandpa and joking around with him. These two actors and characters make for a great partnership.
    These elements sound very familiar to another film I reviewed. It seems that Day of Anger, made a year later, would use a lot of the teacher, pupil theme from this movie, with dialogue in both films sounding very similar.
     Direction is of a high quality with action scenes, and those containing the dark humour so vital to the series being handled expertly. Cinematography is grand but gritty, often the frame is dirtied by dust or dirt. Morriconne's score is, in my opinion, better then the one he did for The Big Gundown. Whilst it maybe leaner in volume, it does contain some much more pleasing and intersting themes. Also the music that plays in the begining seems like an early guitar version of the theme from the underated score of John Carpenter's The Thing.
     MGM's R2 DVD release presents a very nice transfer. It is sharp, colors arn't too washed out and despite having some print damage seems to be in very good shape. Was surprised at how low the bitrate was for the entire film and I wonder if the transfer would look even better with a higher rate. The English 2.0 mono was good, even with its age limitations and I could detect no hiss or clicks. Other audio options found on the disc are, German Mono, French Mono, Italian and Spanish Mono. There are also a wide range of subtitles available including English language. There are no extras, a very ugly menu and a non-skippable ant-piracy advertisement (I am heavily against piracy but this advert is godawful.)
     Death Rides A Horse is an action orientated, buddy revenge movie. It has the right balance of all the ingredients to make a good spaghetti and should be checked out by fans new and old.

Ollie

Next Update: 21.10.05 - Sabata


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Marco Leone on October 20, 2005, 02:33:54 PM
More great views Ollie.  You must be getting sore eyes!!!   :o


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: cigar joe on October 24, 2005, 03:17:47 PM
Yea keep them comming.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on October 24, 2005, 03:49:05 PM
Hi Guys! This is just an update about this week. I've just got back from a premiere and I've got 4 others to go to this week, so I'm kinda fitting my spaghetti viewing around that. I'm hopefully going to watch Sabata tonight and deliver you the review tomorow.

Anyway best wishes

Ollie


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Tim on October 24, 2005, 09:34:01 PM
  Does anyone have Franco Cleef's email address?  I know there were some problems with his dvd's being sold on ebay, but I'd really like to see this movie, especially since I've heard such good things about it.

  If someone does have Franco's email and doesn't want to post it for the whole internet to see it, please email me.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

  Thanks, amigos.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on October 25, 2005, 02:33:28 AM
Leone Admirer,very well said about the excellent Requiescant,i couldn't have written a more informative review myself.I still only have the slightly abridged video version called Kill & Pray but once i get a few more quality titles of my wanted list i will have to invest in the Wildeast dvd.I can recommend Requiescant to Leone Lovers everywhere,and on the strength of Leone Admirers opinions i will also be purchasing other titles discussed on this threaad.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on October 25, 2005, 04:17:50 AM
Thanks banjo  ;D. Tim, I too would like to have Franco Cleef's email address to thank him for making such a wonderful DVD, the DVD can be bought at www.xploitedcinema.com  (http://www.xploitedcinema.com) under the spaghetti western category.l Great site for spaghettis, I bought all my Wild East DVD's from there. I hope this helps.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Smoker on October 26, 2005, 06:48:58 AM
Tim?
Leone Admirer?
   
Just sent Franco Cleef's email to you both (Email & Leone Forum Personal Message) ;)



Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on October 28, 2005, 03:57:01 AM
Thanks TS, I did send a reply to you I hope you got it  ;D. Apologies everyone for my delay in reviews. I finally got round to watching Sabata last night and I'll review that later today. I'm hoping to watch Return of Sabata but I have a major premiere up in London tonight and I don't know when I'll get back. But, on Monday I am watching a Mystery Spaghetti, one I haven't listed yet and I will review it, along with Texas Adios on Tuesday. So you have to guess which one it is (I'll give you a clue, its been recently restored by Munich Film Institute and print I'm seeing it on contains two endings)

Thanks Everyone!


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on October 29, 2005, 06:08:38 AM
29.10.05

Sabata

A film that ultimatly doesn't deliver, Sabata is still a little fun if heavily flawed western, saved by Van Cleefs performance and likeable personality.
      As Sabata (Lee Van Cleef) enters town, three pillars of society have arranged for the bank, which for a brief time holds $100,000 of army money, to be robbed so that they can buy land. Sabata is able to find the money and foil their plans, but decides to stay in town, to find out what else the head villain, Stengel (Franco Ressel) has in store. He teams up with an ex army man Carrincha (Ignazio Spalla) and a mute called Alley Cat. In town he meets and ex friend called Banjo (Wiliam Berger)  whos calling mark is his Banjo, and Sabata has to decided whether Banjo this time round is either friend or fo.
      The films opening is arresting, a stranger rides into town, which is shown through the riders POV, as the gang prepare to rob the bank. Once we establish that its Sabata that has entered the town we are shown his powers and his gun before the bank is robbed.
       Sabata has many elements to make it a good, film, however these elements are either taken to the extreme or not used enough and this seriously hurts the film.
       The film doesn't take itself too seriously, and this is shown in the ludicrous actions and gadgets that the characters have. Everything to dart guns, banjo guns (!) long firing rifles, staff guns, guns in bags you name it, it'll have a gun in it. This over reliance on the gadgets ruins the film, which is a shame because some, the gun in the bag and the two barreled gun that Sabata carries are interesting, but are then used too much. For me, the banjo gun was a step too far, also I wanted the annoying banjo to die in that scene.
        The use of circus performers, whilst adding to a sureal atmosphere do not help the film either. Seeing the Alley Cat doing cart wheels and large jumps just made him look like a spare wheel, as if the part written in the script was quite small and the actor and director (Gianfranco Parolini) had decided to increase his part.
        The film is also worst hit by the pathetic villain, Stengel. It seems that who ever was dubbing Ressel couldn't settle on either an English or German accent, and his overt feminine looks, I have to admit when he first came on screen, with the way he had been costumed he really did look like a man in drag, does not make an very effective villain. 
         As said before, its Van Cleef as Sabata that saves the movie from being a complete waste of precious celluloid. The film tries to make a statement from the begining that in this film he is different. They substitue his usual pipe smoking for a short cigar aka Clint. He seems a much for friendly and generous type of man in this film and perhaps Cleef feels, and I think looks a bt uncomfortable, when he is gently laughing to the 'humerous' playing of Alley Cat. The thing that I don't like about the character of Sabata (and this isn't down to Cleef) is that he is played as some kind of Superhero. He can throw a coin for some distance and be accuarate, he has an endless array of guns and gadgets and he is seemingly invincible. This adds to the light hearted aspect of the film but for me I didn't like it.
        William Berger's character of Banjo was an annoying loner who played irritating tunes on his banjo, boy was I glad when Sabata took a shot at it and hit. The character, whilst irritating does give some drama and conflict to a story thats lacking because of its inept villain. Berger's smug grin got on my nerves and I couldn't wait for him to disapear off screen, only near the end are we glad to see banjo, but for a different reason.
        Direction was overall tight by Parolini, he seemed to handle most action scenes well, building up tension. Others suffered from being too short or not having enough build up. Editing was of general good quality, as was the cinematography which made excellent use of the Spanish and Italian locations. Music was another low point of the movie, Sabata's theme was OK, but the annoying banjo and the use of very sparse music at other points during the feature hurt the film and allowed it to drag in some places.
      This film can be bought as part of The Sabata Trilogy Collection R1 DVD set which contains the three Sabata films, Sabata, Adios Sabata and Return of Sabata. I believe that the A/V is the same between R1 and R2 but if your a Sabata fan it may be worth buying the R1 set, though R2 buyers be warned, it contains the RCE coding.
      The DVD I watched was the MGM R2 version of the film. The picture quality was great, sharp, good colors, it was a bit muted but I believe that was the style that the director and DP, had chosen, and there was little print damage. The Mono soundtrack was also very good and is offered with German, French and Spanish Mono.
       There are no extras on this DVD, an annoying anti-piracy advert (I am against piracy but you can't skip the bloody thing and its a really rubbish advert) and has poor menu design.
        The film was overall a disapointment for me, Cleef was good but the rest of the film was below average. People who like Sabata will most likely own the R1 or R2 DVD's and will encourage people to watch it. Personally I would only recomend this film to Cleef fans and newcomers who liked the humerous sides of the spaghetti's.

Ollie

Next Update: 30.10.05 - Return of Sabata
   


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: cigar joe on October 29, 2005, 07:17:13 AM
I agree on this one never liked it when I first saw it on the big screen, too many gadgets, too much super hero stuff, too much acrobats, if I want this type of stuff I'd watch the TV  show "Wild Wild West", which I really liked, but them I'm watching with a different set of  expectations.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Marco Leone on October 30, 2005, 03:33:58 AM
I found that the gadgets aspects worked ok in Sabata, but just got too much in "Return".  Funnily enough, I really enjoyed Berger's "Banjo" character.  I would recommend Sabata, but wouln't consider it essential/must view.

There is nothing more annoying on a DVD than either an anti-piracy or advert that you can't skip!


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on October 30, 2005, 05:26:36 AM
Shame you didn't like Bergers character Leone Adimrer,and i'm now suffering an identity crisis!!!


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on October 30, 2005, 10:51:02 AM
I must admit to not going into the film in the best of moods, so maybe the humour didn't rub off on me. I'm sure banjo is a cool guy banjo, its just his presentation by the director in the film didn's agree with me so don't have an identity crisis on my account please  ;D
 Marco, this doesn't bode well for tonights experience of Return of Sabata does it? Oh well, roll on tomorow with the mystery spaghetti and Texas Adios


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: HEX on October 30, 2005, 11:27:17 AM
i too did not care for BANJO that much myself(SABATA was way cooler). expectations were high for the BANJO character after reading SHOBARY'S review on this movie.
SHOBARY says he is the coolest sw character around. so i went into this film in hopes of seeing this amazing character. and that "amazing" character did not deliver the goods. i dont totally dislike BANJO(in fact i really like  his banjo which doubles into a rifle, i just wish it was used more.) it is just that my expectations were high for him and BERGER never really got off the ground with it. i had a little thought after the movie was finished, i thought it would be nice to have a spin-off of the BANJO character, just to see if he could hold his own in a film where he is the star.

also BANJO  and SABATA'S rivalry didnt really work well in this film. i have seen better in other spag western's.
for example SABBATH and SARTANA'S in A FISTFUL OF LEAD(though this is a much lesser film then SABATA)

but overall BANJO was fine as a character althogh disappointing. i never once found him annoying. unlike that awful mexican character that is always following SABATA around, CARINCHA i think(the guy that throughs the knives). i thought he was incredibly annoying. at one point in the movie he gets shot, i jumped from my seat in applause. but unfortunatly i reserved my applause for a later date cuz the shot hit a silver medal inside his coat causing him to annoy me for the remainder of the movie.


i see u sure didnt care for this film LEONE ADMIRER so ill give u a fair warning on what not to watch.
SARTANA IS COMING TRADE YOURE PISTOL FOR A COFFIN(AKA A FISTFUL OF LEAD)
LIGHT THE FUSE SARTANA IS COMING
and just about every sartana film
and reconsider watching RETURN OF SABATA.(it is definatly not up youre alley)

i mention these films because they are pretty much the same style. very cartoonish. and lots of gadgets, which i happen to like for it makes for a different sw viewing(but i understand why some dont agree with me)


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on October 31, 2005, 05:55:03 AM
Hi Leone Admirer,just emerged back from rehab!!!
     I know this probably taints my objectivity about Sabata but i have fond childhood memories of this movie from the golden days when British tv screened countless SW's.
LVC said that his role as Sabata was akin to playing James Bond out west and on watching his 2 performances its clear he relished the part but,you guessed it,i'm going to concentrate  on William Berger and his Banjo character.When as a kid i first saw Banjo i found him intimidating in much the same way as the best Bond villains.For instance,the build-up in tension in the scene where Banjo plays his tune over and over at a gradually more frantic pace was scary-and you felt that at any minute he was liable to shoot Sabata in the back.This duplicity where you don't quite know what Banjo's motives are or where his allegiances really lie makes him more interesting than your average villain.You don't know whether to love or hate the guy.
Berger was a first rate specialist in playing this untrustworthy type of role and a year before Sabata he played a similar but more ruthless role as Lasky in the first Sartana film again directed by Parolini,and although there are stylistic parelells you may prefer this movie due to a more substantial(sometimes hard to follow) plot,and doesn't include the gimmickry or acrobatics.
      Finally Berger also played similar double-crossing types in the very good No Room to Die and underated Today Its Me,Tommorow its You.
Can anyone recommend to me Sartana in the Valley of Death?


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on October 31, 2005, 08:24:33 AM
31.10.05

Return of Sabata

Well I was warned that as my  review for Sabata was a negative, then my experience of Return of Sabata would be worse. However, I went in with an open mind, After all I am on an trail to experience many different types of spaghetti films, not only the good, but the bad and ugly ones too. Having just come back from the Premiere of Keane (a damn good film, please go see it if you can) so I was in a good mood. I turned on the DVD player, put the disc in, tried in vain to skip past the R2 Anti-piracy advert before pressing the icon to play the movie in the rediculously rubbish DVD menu. Sadly, an hour and forty two minutes later I found that I did not enjoy this movie at all
      The film begins with a strange sequence in which Sabata (Lee Van Cleef) hunts down some men and kills them. However a disturbingly high pitched clown rushes into the frame and thanks everyone for enjoying the show. It turns out that Sabata was part of an act in which he didn't kill anyone, merely shoot paint at them. Outside he finds his ex Lieutenant, Clyde ( Reiner Schöne) and they both discover that Joe McLintock (Giampiero Albertini) has in his possesion $1 million of gold that Sabata had got in an earlier job. Sabata and the seemingly friendly Clyde get together to get the gold back.
       The film runs along similar lines to the first film in which Sabata needs to get some gold and kill the main villain, his best friend is a treacherous man and his helper is played by Ignazio Spalla who played the Mexican helper Carrincha in Sabata. This harms it as, unlike a Bond film which has the gadgets, guns and gals which also follows a set rule in each film and plays variations on one story, the writer Gianfranco Parolini who was also the director of the first film, doesn't create, for me at any rate, interesting and sympathetic characters. Van Cleef as Sabata is the most character I get sympathetic too, because of the actor, but as we know that this super-hero like character is never going to get into trouble or even get injured, we hardly ever feel any sense of danger or threat towards him.
     Van Cleef does look like he is having the time of his life when making this film and he pulls off again another likable role as the protagonist.  Nods and referances to situations and gadgets he used in the first Sabata film are used to re-inforce his, again superhero like status.
    Reiner Schöne, as the best friend role, is similar in some ways to Berger's characterisation of Banjo, however I must admit, whilst I don't think he was any better to Berger, I didn't seem to have such a hostile feeling towards Clyde  then I did at the end of Sabata with banjo, most likely because it was like watching the same character, just with a few differences and played by another actor.
    The main antagonist Joe McIntock is in my opinion better then Franco Ressels Stengel in Sabata. Whilst coming nowhere near as close as some of the villains in the other spaghetti's I suppose these weak villains help the light hearted feel of the film.
     The films opening with surreal colors and clown aspects seems to set a dark tone, but when the lights go up and a heavily grinning Van Cleef hove into view, we know that the film is going to be even more light hearted then the first film. Regarding the gadgets, I love Bond movies and the gadgets within them but for me, I just don't think it works transposed to the West. I can imagine why these films were very popular but it just didn't agree with me. The gadgets in this film, and the games that surround them are even more over the top then the first film. I did like the idea of the see-saw draw, even if its execition wasn't perfect, but whats going on with the human caterpolt. I don't want to see a stone fly out of a mans groin thank you very much and its constant use was very unwelcome.
     Director Parolini (Known here as Frank Kramer) handles the action scenes quite well, and he does use some interesting angles but the script was weak and the over-reliance on humor didn't gell with me at all. The cinematography was of a general good standard but wasn't as 'grand' as with the first Sabata film. Music, again for me was weak point, though I did think the incidental music was much better then the first film.
     This film can be bought as part of The Sabata Trilogy Collection R1 DVD set which contains the three Sabata films, Sabata, Adios Sabata and Return of Sabata. I believe that the A/V is the same between R1 and R2 but if your a Sabata fan it may be worth buying the R1 set, though R2 buyers be warned, it contains the RCE coding.
    This MGM R2 DVD has good picture quality, with little print damage, and again like the first film it looks a little desaturated, most likely the Director and DP's decision. Audio was good, presented in two channel English mono. Other mono options available on the disc are German, French and Spanish. The disc has no extras and a hideous menu and again that cursed anti-piracy advert, which I am informed that can be skipped on the R1 version.
    I must admit, I was warned that I wasn't going to like this film and I didn't. But on a positive note, at least i got to watch two more spaghetti's and it shows me what style of Spaghetti I don't like. However, because of the debate stirred up by my disliking of Sabata, I am going to wait a while, and then watch it again and see if it has grown upon me at all. I don't want to watch it too soon as at the moment all I feel towards the film are negative opinions. I'll give an update in a couple of months time when I do watch it. Again, if you are a Sabata fan (and I know there are a lot of you out there) then you'll have your own feelings about this film and recomend it to the people who you think will enjoy it, however for me, I would recomend it to people who either are huge Van Cleef fans or like the comic book humorous spaghetti's.

Ollie

Next Update: 31.10.05 - The Mystery Spaghetti!


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on October 31, 2005, 08:54:56 AM
Hi Derringdo,i also enjoyed Bergers performance in Face to Face(possibly in my top 10) and also as Franco Nero's father in Keoma.I think Banjo's "poseur" image is possibly a result of hanging out with the Rolling Stones too much in the late 60's.I'd say he was a bit of a cool dude,even with the bells,hehe,i guess i'm showing up the folkie in me here!!
Even though you advise Leone Admirer against Parolini's SW's do you think however that he would perhaps fare better with the grittier Adios Sabata bearing in mind this isn't really a Sabata film and the Yul Brynner character was originally called Indio Black?


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Marco Leone on October 31, 2005, 01:59:49 PM
The title track is still catchy though  ;)


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Marco Leone on October 31, 2005, 02:11:05 PM
Can anyone recommend to me Sartana in the Valley of Death?

I enjoyed it at the time - Berger is generally pretty good I find.  Over at my site I rated it as "recommended" at the time, but probably it would be a low recommended, bordering on watchable.  Over at my site, the submitted ratings from 8 people are :

Must View 13 %  1
Recommended 50 %  4
Watchable 25 %  2
Avoid 13 %  1

If its cheap, I'd pick it up if I was you, because it is worth a good view!


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on October 31, 2005, 06:03:32 PM
And here folks is the mystery Spaghetti. Did you guess correctly?

01.11.05

The Great Silence

An absolutely excellent Spaghetti by director Sergio Corbucci. I was very lucky to see this screened at the National Film Theatre as the UK theatrical premiere, more on that later, and the premiere of an English language restoration by The Munich Film Museam. The film itself is beautiful yet gritty with great action, excellent characters and wonderful actors.
     The film opens in 1896 in the snow covered plains of Utah. Silence (Jean-Louis Trintignant), a bounty killer with morals, is introduced with him killing some bandits, displaying the fact that when he shoots, he tends to shoot off the thumbs of those he cannot kill. We also learn that he'll only shoot in self defence, making everything he does nice and legal. We are then shown his opposite, Loco (Klaus Kinski) who kills his prey with no chance given and then buries them in the snowto collect later. They both collide in a snow covered town where the only thing that keeps them apart is the Sheriff. However, Silence it seems has a debt to settle with one of the storeowners in the town.
       The film is very violent. This print restores shots of singed flesh, shot off thumbs and other bits of blood and gore. Corbucci's direction seems to have come along since Django. Whilst Silence is a Django esque character, the fact that he is mute makes him all the more deadly. Like Django, Silence is given an automatic gun, however it is much lighter then the machine gun and the pistol is far more accurate. The film also has Django being hurt in the hands, in a similar way to what happens to the protagonist in Django. Loco however is a different character. He is more like that of the Major in Django and his evil prescence and almost humerous look at everything is actually quite chilling. The Sheriff is the comic relief of the film and I think it works. The girl, whislt perhaps not the most scripted or fleshed out of characters is still very effective and gives Silence a cause to set out upon and also allows us to see the tender side of him.
     The actors are great with both Trintignant and Kinski seemingly relishing their roles. Trintignant as Silence seems to have it easier, as he is mute but the looks he gives with expert direction by Corbucci paints a story that perhaps could not be told with words. kinski as the slightly loco Loco also excels and he does have a very dangerous side to him.
    The story with revenge is one of my favourite types of Spaghetti plotting and it seems to have inspired the later film, A Man Called Blade, especially with its use of the flashback. Scripting is good by Corbucci, Mario Amendola and Vittoriano Petrilli.
     The cinematography is fabulous, with the town looking suitably dirty but the falling snow and the stunning snowscapes of the surrounding Pyranees doubling for Utah, it really adds a grand scope to the picture.
     The score by Morriconne is one of his greatest (and reported his favourite non-Leone score). It has some great sweeping sounds along with the use of some very interesting and differing instruments.
    The screening of The Great Silence was a part of the Treasures From The Archives section in the London Film Festival. It turns out that despite the films success in France, Germany and Italy, the film was never screened theatrically in the UK. It has only ever appeared on TV and some VHS's. Therefore this screening was not only the premiere of the restored version. It was also the theatrical premiere of the film in UK which was very exciting. The screening was taken from a print which was restored from an English language print found in France. The print generally looked good,with some scenes however, mostly the footage that has been restored back into this version such as five minutes in the opening, suffering from some terrible print damage. The mono sounded strong and really showed off the terrificl Moriconne score.
     The film began with an introduction by Sir Christopher Frayling (I was lucky to catch Sir Christopher before the screening of the film and we talked about the future of westerns, directing and the film) which was very informative and told us the background of the film. We saw some behind the scenes footage of the film taken from the doco Westerns Italian Style which can be found on the R1 Blue Underground disc of Run Man Run. Finally we had an introduction by the restorer Stefan Droessler from the Munich Film Museum who told us about the restoration, distribution history and about the print we were about to see.
     It seems that un 'upbeat' ending was found in France with no sound. This ending was made to replace the 'downbeat', but certainly better, ending where it was thought best for the film. Luckily it was never used and it comes off as silly and cliched. Morriconne's score was played over the, surprisingly in good condition, mute footage.
    I very much enjoyed this film and I very much enjoyed the evening in which I saw my first spaghetti in the cinema under very special circumstances. The Great Silence is a superb western and I would definatly recomend it to newcomers and old hands of the spaghetti genre.

Ollie

Next Update: 01.11.05 - Texas Adios


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Post by: cigar joe on October 31, 2005, 08:19:30 PM
Sounds like a great time, tell us more of your talk with Frayling when you have time.


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Post by: HEX on October 31, 2005, 10:27:11 PM
31.10.05

Return of Sabata

Well I was warned that as my  review for Sabata was a negative, then my experience of Return of Sabata would be worse. However, I went in with an open mind, After all I am on an trail to experience many different types of spaghetti films, not only the good, but the bad and ugly ones too. Having just come back from the Premiere of Keane (a damn good film, please go see it if you can) so I was in a good mood. I turned on the DVD player, put the disc in, tried in vain to skip past the R2 Anti-piracy advert before pressing the icon to play the movie in the rediculously rubbish DVD menu. Sadly, an hour and forty two minutes later I found that I did not enjoy this movie at all
      The film begins with a strange sequence in which Sabata (Lee Van Cleef) hunts down some men and kills them. However a disturbingly high pitched clown rushes into the frame and thanks everyone for enjoying the show. It turns out that Sabata was part of an act in which he didn't kill anyone, merely shoot paint at them. Outside he finds his ex Lieutenant, Clyde ( Reiner Schöne) and they both discover that Joe McLintock (Giampiero Albertini) has in his possesion $1 million of gold that Sabata had got in an earlier job. Sabata and the seemingly friendly Clyde get together to get the gold back.
       The film runs along similar lines to the first film in which Sabata needs to get some gold and kill the main villain, his best friend is a treacherous man and his helper is played by Ignazio Spalla who played the Mexican helper Carrincha in Sabata. This harms it as, unlike a Bond film which has the gadgets, guns and gals which also follows a set rule in each film and plays variations on one story, the writer Gianfranco Parolini who was also the director of the first film, doesn't create, for me at any rate, interesting and sympathetic characters. Van Cleef as Sabata is the most character I get sympathetic too, because of the actor, but as we know that this super-hero like character is never going to get into trouble or even get injured, we hardly ever feel any sense of danger or threat towards him.
     Van Cleef does look like he is having the time of his life when making this film and he pulls off again another likable role as the protagonist.  Nods and referances to situations and gadgets he used in the first Sabata film are used to re-inforce his, again superhero like status.
    Reiner Schöne, as the best friend role, is similar in some ways to Berger's characterisation of Banjo, however I must admit, whilst I don't think he was any better to Berger, I didn't seem to have such a hostile feeling towards Clyde  then I did at the end of Sabata with banjo, most likely because it was like watching the same character, just with a few differences and played by another actor.
    The main antagonist Joe McIntock is in my opinion better then Franco Ressels Stengel in Sabata. Whilst coming nowhere near as close as some of the villains in the other spaghetti's I suppose these weak villains help the light hearted feel of the film.
     The films opening with surreal colors and clown aspects seems to set a dark tone, but when the lights go up and a heavily grinning Van Cleef hove into view, we know that the film is going to be even more light hearted then the first film. Regarding the gadgets, I love Bond movies and the gadgets within them but for me, I just don't think it works transposed to the West. I can imagine why these films were very popular but it just didn't agree with me. The gadgets in this film, and the games that surround them are even more over the top then the first film. I did like the idea of the see-saw draw, even if its execition wasn't perfect, but whats going on with the human caterpolt. I don't want to see a stone fly out of a mans groin thank you very much and its constant use was very unwelcome.
     Director Parolini (Known here as Frank Kramer) handles the action scenes quite well, and he does use some interesting angles but the script was weak and the over-reliance on humor didn't gell with me at all. The cinematography was of a general good standard but wasn't as 'grand' as with the first Sabata film. Music, again for me was weak point, though I did think the incidental music was much better then the first film.
     This film can be bought as part of The Sabata Trilogy Collection R1 DVD set which contains the three Sabata films, Sabata, Adios Sabata and Return of Sabata. I believe that the A/V is the same between R1 and R2 but if your a Sabata fan it may be worth buying the R1 set, though R2 buyers be warned, it contains the RCE coding.
    This MGM R2 DVD has good picture quality, with little print damage, and again like the first film it looks a little desaturated, most likely the Director and DP's decision. Audio was good, presented in two channel English mono. Other mono options available on the disc are German, French and Spanish. The disc has no extras and a hideous menu and again that cursed anti-piracy advert, which I am informed that can be skipped on the R1 version.
    I must admit, I was warned that I wasn't going to like this film and I didn't. But on a positive note, at least i got to watch two more spaghetti's and it shows me what style of Spaghetti I don't like. However, because of the debate stirred up by my disliking of Sabata, I am going to wait a while, and then watch it again and see if it has grown upon me at all. I don't want to watch it too soon as at the moment all I feel towards the film are negative opinions. I'll give an update in a couple of months time when I do watch it. Again, if you are a Sabata fan (and I know there are a lot of you out there) then you'll have your own feelings about this film and recomend it to the people who you think will enjoy it, however for me, I would recomend it to people who either are huge Van Cleef fans or like the comic book humorous spaghetti's.

Ollie

Next Update: 31.10.05 - The Mystery Spaghetti!




can anybody follow the plot on this one? this movie is such a complete mess. and not in a charming way either.
a lot of other spaghettis have hard to follow plots but it doesnt matter bacause u have a lot of good shoot outs that make up for the bad writing.


RETURN OF SABATA is awful awful awful! in every way. the only thing it has got going for it is a cool gundown with a "squeeze-gun" and the final shoot out aint bad.



glad to see that u saw a wonderful film(THE GREAT SILENCE) after seeing this garbage

though i really like the title song for RETURN OF SABATA

"if u wanna get money
if u wanna get rich
if u wanna live a good life
u gotta be a son of bitch!" ;D
















also i recently purchased the SABATA triology pack(of which i only had the original SABATA in my possesion before.) and i knew what i was getting into with RETURN, but i had no idea that ADIOS SABATA was so boring. maybe it is just me but i feel that BRYNNER has absolutly no screen presence at all, and that brought the whole picture down for me :-\



YUL! u are out of youre element ;D ;)


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Post by: Banjo on November 01, 2005, 04:48:05 AM
Hi Derringdo,maybe i was judging my opinion too much on Yul Brynner not smiling too often,hehe,but i'm glad you also like Adios Sabata and i agree with you about the effete Dean Read but as you say the music is great!
       Perhaps "grittier" was the wrong word to use here but i was curious to hear you thoughts .However i did find Brynner harder(despite the tassles) than LVC(still prefer LVC though) in much the same way when comparing the two in their Magnificent 7 roles.I think we can forgive Yul for King & I,i did for Clint in Paint Your Wagon!!Pedro Sanchez and his cronies were also a tad more cynical bearing in mind their readiness to dish out justice here.I shudder at what Zapatta specialist Cigar Joe would make of this but i feel the Mexican Revolution setting(with peons being executed at a whim) and greater variety of locations added more spice than the other Sabata films.There is definately more to this than just a series of set pieces around extortion/hidden gold in the LVC versions.
But as you say Adios Sabata still exhibits much of the same comic strip campy style of the other two!!!


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Post by: cigar joe on November 01, 2005, 05:08:42 AM
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I shudder at what Zapatta specialist Cigar Joe would make of this but i feel the Mexican Revolution setting(with peons being executed at a whim)

Actually Rudolfo Fierro (the Butcher) Villa's henchman was every bit as outrageous as some of our beloved SW's sequences .

In one place he personally executes some 200 enemy soldiers buy putting them into an arena then challenging them to run across and get over a low wall he's got two revolvers and lets out 12 at a time, only one made it out.

Another sequence (in Viva Villa) where he lines up rows of enemy's three deep and shoots them with one bullet/three is a true occurence also.


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Post by: Banjo on November 01, 2005, 05:23:10 AM
Well at least Adios Sabata has a smidgen of authenticity
here with the Austrians challenging the peons to make a similar run for it( as the 200 soldiers in the arena) while Herter guns them down one at a time.
Talking of authenticity CJ, have you come across Pancho Villa yet starring Telly Savales,and if so what do you think?


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Post by: Banjo on November 01, 2005, 09:57:49 AM
I've never had the courage to watch the King and I but i guess the piano duet from Adios wouldn't be out of place here!!
Can't believe anyone can prefer LVC over Brynner as Chris in Mag 7 especially considering LVCs pouncy attire early on in the movie before he changes costumes.At least it suited Berger looking like a poseur in Sabata,hehe!!


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Post by: HEX on November 01, 2005, 10:07:47 AM
Leone Admirer: you're a better man than I am-you couldn't pay me to watch some pretentious, downbeat twaddle about a mime with a mauser, no matter how well Morricone scores it  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


OUCH! i see someone didnt like  THE GREAT SILENCE.

or doesnt like the idea of it i guess since apparently they couldnt be paid o watch it ;D

that is a new opinion on one of the best sw's ever made.


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Post by: Marco Leone on November 01, 2005, 01:40:42 PM
Its funny how our opinions all vary at times.  Personally, to me Great Silence is THE best non-Leone spaghetti western.


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Post by: cigar joe on November 01, 2005, 03:48:01 PM
Pancho Villa with Telly Savalas is in the dvd bins at a local video store for under $10 as I type,  its put out by Gem-something or other, I've heard that it was pretty bad so I skipped by it.


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Post by: HEX on November 01, 2005, 06:54:08 PM
Hex: I approach any movie called "daring" and "bleak" with caution, ESPECIALLY if it stars some artsy-fartsy Frenchman, is directed by the guy who inflicted Django on us, and is endorsed by Christopher Frayling, Alex Cox, and the like  ;D




i hardly think that DJANGO was "inflicted" upon us. to me it was more of a blessing because it made way for other dark and brutal spag's just like it(and better).
and from what i hear i dont believe JEAN LOUIS was all about the "arts and the farts" ;D
the man did make quite a few romantic comedies in his day(according to my college proffesor who i showed THE GREAT SILENCE to and loved it).

also for somebody who seems like a fan of the SABATA films i suggest u give this "daring" film a try. the reason being is that...

if u can sit through a movie with YUL BRYNNER(at his  worst) wearing the most embarassing clothing this side of ELTON JOHN and sit through a mess like RETURN OF SABATA, then it is a no brainer that u should at least give the best sw(outside leone as MARCO says) ever made a try.


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Post by: Banjo on November 02, 2005, 02:34:27 AM
Derringdo,i love LVC and when starting off my SW collection i made a point of buying all the decent/semi-decent SW's he starred in before getting anything else!
    However if LVC had starred as Chris in the original Magnificent Seven(THE MAJOR INFLUENCE ON FISTFUL OF DOLLARS) its a very safe bet that we would not be talking to each other now.The role of Chris required someone cool enough to hold their own in the company of McQueen,Bronson,Coburn etc.Lets face it LVC may have been unique looking and menacing in his numerous Hollywood cameos but he was never cool,and he was only made cool much later on by Leone in FAFDM and GBU.
It maybe coincidental,but LVC's coolness and movies went downhill somewhat when he started donning the toupee's and growing his sideburns and hair long at the back.I'm sorry but in Magnificent Seven Ride(which i do like) after his costume change he reminds me very much of the very uncool(but fatherly,yes) Frank Cannon out of the High Chapperal TV series,and in no way can this compete with the extremely cool Brynner(bald and proud of it!) in his black attire.
Oh yes,you don't like Great Silence,Django os Solima(apart from Face to Face) and it would be interesting to hear your top 10 SW's outside of Leone?


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Post by: Banjo on November 02, 2005, 07:14:38 AM
Hex,bearing in mind (from another thread)you now quite like the universally derided Gods Gun and will buy the dvd again if a decent print surfaces,i'm puzzled about your attitude over the infinately superior Sabata movies also directed by Parolini.Am i missing something here?


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Post by: HEX on November 02, 2005, 08:06:04 AM
Hex,bearing in mind (from another thread)you now quite like the universally derided Gods Gun and will buy the dvd again if a decent print surfaces,i'm puzzled about your attitude over the infinately superior Sabata movies also directed by Parolini.Am i missing something here?







i never said SABATA was not a better movie then GODS GUN. however i see why the confusion. i spent most of the time here bashing the SABATA movies.

but to be clear...

i like SABATA ten times more then i do GOD's GUN. that is why i bought the triology because i wanted a better copy of it. however i cant say that i like the last two SABATA films as much as i enjoyed GOD'S GUN(and when i say enjoy i mean it is a guilty pleasure to watch, because i know it is garbage. but it is entertaining garbage.) i cant say the same for ADIOS SABATA in which, aside from the last ten minutes was a complete bore.

BYRNNER has absolutly no screen presence as SABATA(or INDIO BLACK which ever u prefer). mainly because i can never see him as an sw character. and the black outfit is way to distracting(hilariously so) and feminine. LVC has the screen presence as an sw character, YUL BRYNNER does not.

which leads me into RETURN OF SABATA. this movie was a complete mess. the plot goes here and their and never stops to calm down.the only reason i sat all the way through this one was to see how VAN CLEEF delivers. and he did. as he always does. i cant say that i liked the rest of the cast(especially that traitorious side kick of his was annoying.) but VAN CLEEF delivers the goods on his part. overall ADIOS is a better movie then RETURN. but RETURN (for me) was a better film then ADIOS.

but nothing comes close to the first which i think is heavily flawed but it is very fun to watch indeed. not a masterpiece of the genre but a good view. and a nice own, for those who have the taste for it.


also i really cant say i agree with u that LVC was never cool in other movies besides sw. yeah he looked like shite when he was cast in his early american westerns as the expendable baddie. but there was always an air to VAN CLEEF(even before leone made him a superstar in italy) that gave u that thought of "watch out for this guy."

look at him in HIGH NOON. he is the most memoriable baddie of the three who wait for FRANK MILLER. because he seems to be the most threatening.

as far as his career goes in his later sw's, he still was a "force of cool" to be reckoned with(except in KID VENGEANCE where he looks like some doped-up hippie).


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Post by: Banjo on November 03, 2005, 01:50:58 AM
Hex,I'm not going to knock LVC any more because as i said i love the guy.I think we are going to have to agree to differ over Yul Brynner(screen presence in abundance!) because i think he makes a first rate SW hero and NO WAY does he come over effeminate.He does look silly with the straw hat in Catlow though.As for you prefering Gods Gun over Adios Sabata and Return of Sabata(a rather entertaining mess actually!) this will remain a mystery to me forever!!!


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Post by: Leone Admirer on November 03, 2005, 04:39:42 AM
Hi Guys! Apolgoies for the irratic nature these reviews have been coming this week. Tonight I have the London Film Festival Closing Night gala film (Good Night and Good Luck) and the after-party so am not able to watch any spaghetti's. I also have one review standing after this one and as I am a bit pushed for time today (I have to take the train into London to check into the hotel in two hours time) so I don't think I'll write it today and I'll have to do it tomorow when I get back. A hard life isn't it?  ;D
       Glad that this review thread has become a hot debate about the merits and negatives of the different films. I had no idea the Sabata trilogy would be so hotly contested! Also, for Joe, I met Sir Christopher before the screening of the film. I saw when he had an opening and lept in to have a chat with him. I told him I liked his books etc etc and then told him I'm a director. We spoke about how my generation will have to keep the Western alive and then we talked about the screening of The Great Silence and how its so different to the other spaghetti's I had seen. The only really embarrasing this was my right hand side of my face was numb because I had just come from the dentist and I fear it may at times have affected my speech. Well onto the review of Texas Adios and I hope you all have a great evening!

All The Best

Ollie

03.11.05

Texas Adios

The most Hollywood-esque of the Italian Westerns I have seen, this is still a solid, fun, if flawed spaghetti.
      The film begins with the introduction of the protagonist, a tough Texan sheriff called Burt Sullivan (Franco Nero). Burt learns that the man who killed his father and raped his mother, McLeod (José Guardiola) is living in Mexico. He rides off to find him, joined by his younger brother Jim (Alberto Dell'Acqua). When they get to Mexico, they discover is McLeod is stronger then they thought and he threatens to reveal a secret that would tear the two brothers apart.
     Texas Adios is a simple revenge story that has been done by Hollywood very well many times. Despite the fact that the film contains peasent uprising it still isn't as overtly political unlike films such as A Bullet For The General . The film tells its often cliche ridden story very well never trying to get bogged down in its story. It has a fast pace that races along and takes the audience with it, right down to its climatic ending.
   Nero is excellent as the silent and yet caring Sullivan. He plays a perhaps more sympathetic character then the one in Django but he is very effective in the fight scenes and it shows what a charismatic actor this man is.
    Dell'Acqua as Jim is one of the main flaws in the film. He can be perhaps excused for the atrocious English dubbing he recieves but that does not excuse his physical acting. He hardly seems to express any emotion in the film at all and its only near the end does he tend to loosen up. He reminds me of Ricky Nelson in Rio Bravo he may just look the part but his acting and delivery are wanting. It also does not help the character that for the first part of the movie, his character is ridden with 'younger brother cliches'.
   I though Guardiola actually made quite a good villain. The main twist is that in the later parts of the movie, you do feel perhaps a little sympathy for him despite the horrific things he has done. He looks a lot like Robert Ryan and it would have been great to have had him dubbed by such an amazing actor.
   I feel that because the script does seem to follow a formulaic rule with flashbacks moral torture etc that one would expect to see in a revenge western, the main saving grace of this film is the direction by Ferdinando Baldi. He manages to create arresting images, and enjoyable characters whilst keeping the movie constantly moving at all times. The score also was excellent, again not the most Italian sounding and it was leaning towards the Hollywood era but it did suit the style of the film.
   This DVD was part of a boxset called Once Upon A Time In Italy: The Spaghetti Western Collection which was released by Anchor Bay for R1 and contains the films Texas Adios, A Bullet For The General, Companeros, Four Of The Apocalypse and Keoma. These can also be bought seperatly.
   This little seen western actually has a great transfer. It was much better then I expected, and even though there was quite a bit of print damage it was in a relatively good shape and often quite sharp and captured the 2.35:1 cinematography excellently. It is miles away say from the Paramount DVD's of Once Upon A Time In The West or My Name is Nobody but it was certainly much better then some of the Wild East DVD's.
   The sound is a little different however. The English 2.0 mono  sounds a little muffled during the opening scenes but then gradually picks up. There is little hiss but the dubbing of the film at times in English is terrible. Also included is the Italian 2.0 mono which to my ears sounded better then the English track.
    For special features, the DVD has a six minute interview with Franco Nero and despite its very brief length manages to be quite entertaining and informative. A trailer and a Franco Nero Bio are also included.
   If you are looking for a spaghetti that shows off all the attributes the Italians have brought to it then perhaps you should not pick up this film. However if you are looking for a very entertaining film that has a Hollywood styalised feel to it then you would be worth seeing Texas Adios. I would certainly recomend it to new spaghetti fans and old.

Ollie

Next Update: 04.11.05 - A Bullet For The General


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: HEX on November 03, 2005, 09:39:07 AM
Hi Guys! Apolgoies for the irratic nature these reviews have been coming this week. Tonight I have the London Film Festival Closing Night gala film (Good Night and Good Luck) and the after-party so am not able to watch any spaghetti's. I also have one review standing after this one and as I am a bit pushed for time today (I have to take the train into London to check into the hotel in two hours time) so I don't think I'll write it today and I'll have to do it tomorow when I get back. A hard life isn't it?  ;D
       Glad that this review thread has become a hot debate about the merits and negatives of the different films. I had no idea the Sabata trilogy would be so hotly contested! Also, for Joe, I met Sir Christopher before the screening of the film. I saw when he had an opening and lept in to have a chat with him. I told him I liked his books etc etc and then told him I'm a director. We spoke about how my generation will have to keep the Western alive and then we talked about the screening of The Great Silence and how its so different to the other spaghetti's I had seen. The only really embarrasing this was my right hand side of my face was numb because I had just come from the dentist and I fear it may at times have affected my speech. Well onto the review of Texas Adios and I hope you all have a great evening!

All The Best

Ollie

03.11.05

Texas Adios

The most Hollywood-esque of the Italian Westerns I have seen, this is still a solid, fun, if flawed spaghetti.
      The film begins with the introduction of the protagonist, a tough Texan sheriff called Burt Sullivan (Franco Nero). Burt learns that the man who killed his father and raped his mother, McLeod (José Guardiola) is living in Mexico. He rides off to find him, joined by his younger brother Jim (Alberto Dell'Acqua). When they get to Mexico, they discover is McLeod is stronger then they thought and he threatens to reveal a secret that would tear the two brothers apart.
     Texas Adios is a simple revenge story that has been done by Hollywood very well many times. Despite the fact that the film contains peasent uprising it still isn't as overtly political unlike films such as A Bullet For The General . The film tells its often cliche ridden story very well never trying to get bogged down in its story. It has a fast pace that races along and takes the audience with it, right down to its climatic ending.
   Nero is excellent as the silent and yet caring Sullivan. He plays a perhaps more sympathetic character then the one in Django but he is very effective in the fight scenes and it shows what a charismatic actor this man is.
    Dell'Acqua as Jim is one of the main flaws in the film. He can be perhaps excused for the atrocious English dubbing he recieves but that does not excuse his physical acting. He hardly seems to express any emotion in the film at all and its only near the end does he tend to loosen up. He reminds me of Ricky Nelson in Rio Bravo he may just look the part but his acting and delivery are wanting. It also does not help the character that for the first part of the movie, his character is ridden with 'younger brother cliches'.
   I though Guardiola actually made quite a good villain. The main twist is that in the later parts of the movie, you do feel perhaps a little sympathy for him despite the horrific things he has done. He looks a lot like Robert Ryan and it would have been great to have had him dubbed by such an amazing actor.
   I feel that because the script does seem to follow a formulaic rule with flashbacks moral torture etc that one would expect to see in a revenge western, the main saving grace of this film is the direction by Ferdinando Baldi. He manages to create arresting images, and enjoyable characters whilst keeping the movie constantly moving at all times. The score also was excellent, again not the most Italian sounding and it was leaning towards the Hollywood era but it did suit the style of the film.
   This DVD was part of a boxset called Once Upon A Time In Italy: The Spaghetti Western Collection which was released by Anchor Bay for R1 and contains the films Texas Adios, A Bullet For The General, Companeros, Four Of The Apocalypse and Keoma. These can also be bought seperatly.
   This little seen western actually has a great transfer. It was much better then I expected, and even though there was quite a bit of print damage it was in a relatively good shape and often quite sharp and captured the 2.35:1 cinematography excellently. It is miles away say from the Paramount DVD's of Once Upon A Time In The West or My Name is Nobody but it was certainly much better then some of the Wild East DVD's.
   The sound is a little different however. The English 2.0 mono  sounds a little muffled during the opening scenes but then gradually picks up. There is little hiss but the dubbing of the film at times in English is terrible. Also included is the Italian 2.0 mono which to my ears sounded better then the English track.
    For special features, the DVD has a six minute interview with Franco Nero and despite its very brief length manages to be quite entertaining and informative. A trailer and a Franco Nero Bio are also included.
   If you are looking for a spaghetti that shows off all the attributes the Italians have brought to it then perhaps you should not pick up this film. However if you are looking for a very entertaining film that has a Hollywood styalised feel to it then you would be worth seeing Texas Adios. I would certainly recomend it to new spaghetti fans and old.

Ollie

Next Update: 04.11.05 - A Bullet For The General




yeah JIM was rather annoying

SPOILERS ahead!

thank the lord they killed him off in the end.

SPOILERS END

i didnt think much of TEXAS AIOS the first time i saw it(i thought it was the worst of the five in the 5 set that u mention) but it quickly grew on me. and i like it very much.
shobary has it as a 90% in which i highly disagree on. this movie is at least 80% at best.

u are in for a weird treat on all the FRANCO NERO interviews u will find in the set of ONCE UPON A TIME IN ITALY. there is about three with NERO. it is a riot to listen to him when he compares himself to a HOMOSEXUAL(because of the good relationships he has with directors and such). what is funny is that he mentions it about three times in completly different interviews. ;D ;D

that guy just wont let an interview pass without him squeezin in a remark about him having an almost homosexual relationship with people.


exact quote( which is repeted quite often by him)

"we were like two homosexuals"

lol ;D ;D ;D ;D

u got to hear it with his accent.


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Post by: Banjo on November 04, 2005, 03:03:05 AM
I picked up the old 4front widescreen video version of Texas Addio(loads of copies floating around on Ebay for a couple of quid!) and i think this is a pretty decent print also.The audio is great without the muffles and i find it hard to believe the lack of care taken on dvds with the English audio,especially considering the dreadful audio on the Japanese dvd of Face to Face.
Texas Addio isn't particularly spaghettiesque in style but at least the locations are and we see quite a few familiar faces including Luigi Pistilli.I found it a little tame having watched Django beforehand but nonetheless quite engaging.Like Django,what really pisses me off though is the use of someone elses English dubbing instead of Nero's always brilliant distinctive overtones.


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Post by: Leone Admirer on November 07, 2005, 03:46:54 AM
Hi guys. I had one of the best nights of my life last Thursday and have been giving off a happy glow since. Heres a large update of three reviews. After these there are only three reviews left :( . Oh well on to the reviews....

07.11.05

A Bullet For The General

A politically charged film, A Bullet For The General still manages to be an exciting western with interesting (if not all together sympathetic) characters, good direction by Damiano Damiani and more guns then you can shake a stick at.
     The film begins with a mysterious young American called Bill Tate (Lou Castel) joining a gang of marauders led by El Chucho (Gian Maria Volante) with his brother El Santo (Klaus Kinski) and Adelita (Martine Beswick) as they go around revolution strifed Mexico stealing guns so they can sell them to the head of the mexican opposistion Elias (Jaime Fernández). However it seems that Bill perhaps some other agenda, which involves a gold bullet.
     The opening of the film is quite stark, without any warning we are subjected to seeing some Mexican peasents being shot by a firing squad. They bungle the shooting of one of the men and whilst he shouts out his support of the revolution they shoot him. You are immediatly thrown in to the Mexican revolution and all its brutality. This would be enhanced later when Chucho and his men protect a village from reprisals and what happens when Chucho leaves them.
    The major thing I find interesting in the film is the portrayal of the characters. Most particualy, the fact that all the characters have major flaws. Bill is portayed as an arrogant bastard, always expecting something to be done for him and he expresses how much he dislikes being in Mexico. Chucho is a thieving bandit, who only later gets some morals. However there are elements of his character that raise him above as being a ruthless bandit like a lot of the men in his band. He has a winning personality (excellently played by Volante) and his devotion to his brother is almost touching. Kinski, as a priest like character, seems to be almost a bit insane. He chastises a priest for siding with the goverment and in one of the sequences (that again re-inforces the tone of place) doesn't voice a single complaint when the priest is shot down in cold blood. He calmly throws explosive devices at soldiers and yet still prays over the dead and at times takes on an almost child like devotion to his older brother. Adelita, the beauty of the bunch, is shown as being greedy and hate filled, not protesting and even enouraging the men when during a scene they try to rape a rich mans wife. However the small blossoming relationship Bill and her have is at times affecting.
     The acting is of a very high standard with Volante being on top form, expertly playing the ruthless, yet strangely bemused Cuchillo. Castel is excellent as Bill, the strong silent type. Kinski is also good as the slightly unbalanced priest. Beswick is more the proficcent as Adelita but my only complaint is the character at times seems tacked on and when at some point during the movie she rides off, she isn't missed.
     Direction by Damiani is also excellent. The worry was that this politically heavy film would be weighed down by its politics and whilst we are battered with imagery, such as the constant shots of women in grief, showing that it is often the women who suffer the most during war, the film manages to be an excellent spaghetti with all the right elements, excitement, violence, large vistas, good score, interesting characters and good acting. The fact that the characters are much more complex in this film then that is usually found in Spaghetti's, really adds to the film and the fine choice of actors helps to accentuate this.
    Cinematography is good, with Damiano using some interesting set ups to keep audience interest going and helps him to bring across the desired symbolism. The pace of the film is quite fast, with the group often galloping around from one gunfight to the next. The film also contains a nice vein of black humour running though it, both visually and through the characters. Score, composed by Ennio De Concini but supervised by Morricone was also good, though it did sound very Leone era Morricone-esque at times.
    This DVD was part of a boxset called Once Upon A Time In Italy: The Spaghetti Western Collection which was released by Anchor Bay for R1 and contains the films Texas Adios, A Bullet For The General, Companeros, Four Of The Apocalypse and Keoma. These can also be bought seperatly.
    The back of the box erroneously lists the aspect ratio as 1.85:1 when it is actually 2.35:1. The print used for the DVD is very good. it brings across the dusty yet beautiful Mexican/Spanish landscape. Colors are strong, detail is usually good but can appear soft at times and at times there is some print damage, but what is really to be expected for a film thats nearly forty years old. Audio is good also, with the English Mono being presented in Dolby Digital 2.0. Voices and music effects can be clearly heard but a low level hiss is prevalent through some of the scenes.
     The only extras included on this DVD are two international and Domestic trailers.
     An enjoyable film that, even if you don't agree with its politics, can be watched for its excellently staged action and interesting characters. I again recomend this film to all fans, new and old, of the spaghetti genre.

Ollie

Next Update: 07.11.05 - Companeros


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Post by: Leone Admirer on November 07, 2005, 04:55:28 AM
07.11.05

Compañeros

A damn good film. Director Sergio Corbucci has created a film that has lept into being one of my favourite non-Leone spaghettis. This film has everything, excellent direction, amazing stars, fantastic humor and an superb score.
     Compañeros begins with the audience seeing Basco (Tomas Milian) and Yodlof Peterson (Franco Nero) in a stand off. The film flashes back to when the pair first met. Basco was an officer under the Mexican bandit Mongo (José Bódalo) and Peterson, better known as the Swede, enters town to sell Mongo some guns. Relationships between Basco and the gun runner are immediatly poor and it gets worse when Mongo pairs them off to find a man called Prof. Xantos (Fernando Ray) an opposition leader who holds the combination to a safe stuffed with riches which the Swede and Mongo want to get their hands on. On their way into the US, Basco and Peterson end up being hunted by a marijuana addicted sadist called John (Jack Palance).
    Immediatly, from the choices of music, editing and direction you know that this film doesn't take itself seriously. The relationship between the two leads is highly comic but is also quite realistic and affecting as they gradually begin to learn to trust each other. The situations they get into along with the people they meet often has a light hearted feel to it. For instance a scene where a naive group of revolutionaries try to get the weapons from Peterson and the film treats them  almost as if they are naive idiots.
    The two main protagonists differ in quite a few ways. Basco is a pig of man, he is a violent, lazy, cruel man and in the begining he has very few elements that make him a sympathetic character. Infact that camera does treat him as an item of fun, even using the old slapstick classic of having him slip on a banana skin.
    This is quite the opposite for the Swede. Peterson is shown as being a very sophisticated, suave and intelligent person. He is paitient, he dresses smartly and is usually able to talk his way out of any situation. However he does have some flaws, like cynacism and lack of caring for people and causes which does make him appear cold. Its these two opposites that make a classic cinematic attract.
    The object of their attention, Prof. Xantos is shown as being very intelligent, if perhaps a naive and a little bit odd. His refusal to use violence is explored through out the film and its view towards the idea seems to swing from positive to negative.
The main villain, John, is a very frightining character heightened by his dimensia caused by his addiction to Marijuana. He is almost bond villain esque in the fact that he has a false hand. His last one was taken when his pet bird Marsha ate it. A tortue scene involving John, Basco and a rat attached to his stomach is both horrific and hilarious at the same time.
    Acting in the film is uniformly excellent, with the pairing or Milian and Nero working like a dream. Both actors playing each character's traits making the parts their own. Jack Palance is as frighting as ever and he really plays the part of drug addled mad man very well. Ray is also good as Xantos, with his mixture of scholar like attributes and revolutionary hero. 
    After The Great Silence, Compañeros is my second favourite Corbucci. Here he handles the humor very well and also creates some excellent set pieces such as a scene involving an army barracks, some prostitures and a fire. The score by Morricone is for me one of the best elements of the film. The great theme song which bursts into life at different points during the film is very welcome and again adds to the light hearted feeling of the film. Cinematography is again excellent with some intriguing framing and some great reveals.
    This DVD was part of a boxset called Once Upon A Time In Italy: The Spaghetti Western Collection which was released by Anchor Bay for R1 and contains the films Texas Adios, A Bullet For The General, Companeros, Four Of The Apocalypse and Keoma. These can also be bought seperatly.
   The back of the box erroneously lists the aspect ratio as 1.85:1 when it is actually 2.35:1. The print for Companeros was strong, great color and usually sharp. There is some print damage which begins roughly around the midway mark but it's not too distracting. Anchor Bay tells us that "The presentation of COMPANEROS is complete and uncut, featuring scenes omitted from all previous English language releases. Because these scenes were never dubbed into English, they are presented here in Italian with English subtitles."Most of the cut footage is found with in the firts ten minutes and gaging by this version, it must mean that the English langauge release must have had a very convoluted begining that wouldn't have much sense and wouldn't have tied up so neatly with the begining.
    Audio is presented in English Mono 2.0 and is generally of good quality, highlighting Morricone's score very well. There is some slight hiss throughout most of these scenes. Italian 2.0 is also included.
    Also included on this DVD is a interview with the stars Franco Nero, Tomas Milian and the composer Ennio Morricone. This is a very interesting piece in which the two actors relate their experiences on set and with working with each other. Morricone briefly talks about his relationship with Leone and then this film. The 17 minute featurette is fall of fascintating facts and well worth a watch. Also included on the disc is a theatrical trailer and some talent bios.
     This film was excellent. I very much enjoyed watching this romp through Mexico and I think that so far its been the best of a very good crop of films contained within the Anchor Bay boxset. I certainly recomend this to Morricone fans, for that wonderful score, as well as new and old spaghetti fans.

Ollie

Next Update: 07.11.05 - Four Of The Apocalypse


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Post by: Leone Admirer on November 07, 2005, 05:47:33 AM
07.11.05

Four Of The Apocalypse

I've never been a great fan of Fulci. Whilst gore doesn't put me off a film, I'm not a huge gore fan so I've never actively seeked out his films or most Italian horrors. So I approached this film with some trepedation, fueled by the back of the DVD case telling me that "Due to its graphic nature FOUR OF THE APOCALYPSE was banned or censored in many countries and never seen in America." I put the DVD in the player and watched it, Boy was I surprised, rather the watching an out and out gore fest, though I have to admit some of the scenes were rather nasty, I was watching an interesting, fast paced, exciting and even touching road movie esque western!
      The film begins with four hard luck strangers, Stubby Preston (Fabio Testi), Bunny, the pregnant prostitute (Lynne Frederick), Clem the drunk (Michael J Pollard) and Bud, a madman who sees dead people (Harry Baird) surving a vigilante slaughter and heading toward Sand City. On the way they meet disturbing stranger Chaco (Tomas Milian) who, depsite his seemingly pleasent nature seems to be hiding some evil desires.
      The characters presented in the film don't have much history, you only find out their proffesion through some exposition in a jail house at the begining of the movie. It seems fate throw these four strangers together and after the opening horrific experience with the vigilantes, which in a sadistic way makes sense but seems completely over the top (You'll understand if and when you'll see the movie) they forge relationships to varying degrees. The thing that is hard about the films is that three of the characters are seemingly punished, ridiculed and tortured by not only evil Chaco but the director as well. Stubby has his testicles crushed, Bunny is brutally raped and Clem is made to drink Whiskey spat out by Chaco and behave like a dog before being shot in the leg. The only person who seems to get away relatively unscated is Bud, whose childlike dimentia is perhaps something Fulci sympathises with.
     The love affair that begins to grow between Bunny and Stubbs is very touching and you could see blossoming out of such hardships. When Bunny's baby is finally born in a snow covered town it is a very touching and almost tear inducing scene.
   The character of Chaco is certianly one of the most deranged I've ever seen in a Spaghetti Western. Milian plays him as almost pure evil, with animalistic urges and a person who kills for the sheer joy of killing. The crosses that Milian put under the characters eyes just makes him more disturbing and as is pointed out in the accompanying featurette on the DVD makes him seem more like Charles Manson.
     The acting of the film is very good. Testi plays the stong man who slowly begins to crumble as he and his gang face the hellish situations thrust upon them is very well realised. Frederick is very good as Bunny, whose playful and scared side helps build audience sympathy towards her and her growing relationship with Stubby. Pollard is as good as Clem and its heart breaking and disturbing to see him so abbused by Chaco. Baird, whose part isn't huge in the film, plays the deranged man very well. Milian is his usual excellent self, playing the creepiness of the character very well, the only other thing I have to say about the character is that he reminds me of Johnny Depp's character Jack Sparrow in Pirates Of The Carribean!
     Fulci's direction is very good. As expected when gore happens it is pretty nasty and a scene involving the cutting of a slice of a mans chest is particually grusome to watch. However he manages to create sympathy and emotion towards the four main protagonists, more then I thought he would have done regarding the story and that has to be commended. His framing is also very good and he keeps the film at a brisk pace, literally throwing the four into different, more violent and surreal situations.
    Music was interesting also, the least Morricone esque sound I have heard in a spaghetti western, it is a good if a product of the seventies. The folksy song that narrates the story along sounds a lot like Simon and Garfunkle but helps the mood. Other music has keyboards and electrical guitars which in my opinion betray the age of the film, rather like the Goblin score for the original Dawn of the Dead (though I must admit to quite liking that score.)
    This DVD was part of a boxset called Once Upon A Time In Italy: The Spaghetti Western Collection which was released by Anchor Bay for R1 and contains the films Texas Adios, A Bullet For The General, Companeros, Four Of The Apocalypse and Keoma. These can also be bought seperatly.
     The print used by Anchor Bay for the film is in good shape. It appears soft at times but I think that was the directors choice. There is very little damage to the print and it is altogether most pleasing and the 1.85:1 aspect ratio which was put to good use by Fulci is presented how it deserves.
   Anchor Bay tells us that "The presentation of FOUR OF THE APOCALYPSE is complete and uncut, featuring scenes omitted from all previous English language releases. Because these scenes were never dubbed into English, they are presented here in Italian with English subtitles." I was actually surprised by how little must have been taken out, especially compared to the amount removed in Compañeros. It seems most of the footage is the gore scenes and a scene near the ending which heightens the impact of the scene.
    The film is presented with English 2.0 mono which sounded very good and brought across dialogue, music and sound effects clearly. Also included is the Italian mono 2.0 track.
     The disc contains the seventeen minute featurette Fulci Of The Apocalypse  which contained interviews with the stars Fabio Testi and Tomas Milian. Full of interesting infomation about the production, the featurette takes on the form of mourning for the late Fulci which both Milian and Testi talk about both in a postive and a negative way. Also included is a theatrical trailer and some talent bios.
    A western that took me by surprise and ended up being much better then I thought it would be. Thankfully (for me) not as gory as his later films, I would still approach this film with a strong stomach. I do recomend it to spaghetti fans new and old and it seems to be a hit with the Fulci fans, hopefully this'll get them to check out some more spaghetti.

Ollie

Next Update: 08.11.05 - Keoma


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Post by: Banjo on November 07, 2005, 06:25:52 AM
Great reviews Leone Admirer!
I only have Companeros on video at present and wasn't aware of the deleted scenes with subtitles,my wifes getting the dvd for me this Xmas and i'm looking forward to it even more now!
I tentatively just about give my thumbs up to Four of the Apocalypse.As you say the performances,direction and Byrdsy- type music are pretty good but i feel the pacing and storyline are let down badly when the couple reach the snow town,and for 20 minutes plus the whole thing with the dying mother and baby is rather tedious.Thankfully it picks up for the ending!


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Post by: Leone Admirer on November 07, 2005, 06:35:08 AM
Thanks banjo! I'm glad your getting it for christmas, you will enjoy it. I do agree about the snow town, I must admit though I think snow, along with rain, is one of the mst cinematic weather conditions so when its there I tend to be mesmerised by it.


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Post by: Banjo on November 07, 2005, 06:41:09 AM
Yeah very pictureque and i adore the snowbound look of the Great Silence.


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Post by: cigar joe on November 07, 2005, 09:13:42 PM
Great reviews.

You'll have to get The Mercenary an see the slightly more serious version of Corbucci's Mex Rev.

Based on your review of Four For The Apocalypse I may have to pick it up  ;D

Was it dubbed or do we hear MJ Pollard & Milian's real voices... 



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Post by: Banjo on November 08, 2005, 03:49:03 AM
Both Milians and Pollards real voices were used ,CJ,and i have to say that the Charles Manson comparison with the Chaco character isn't far of the mark!


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Post by: HEX on November 08, 2005, 12:28:35 PM
wow i am pleasently surprised that u enjoyed  the film :o
usually people cant stand it. which is quite a shame because it is a wonderful little movie indeed. yes the snow town scene is incredibly boring but as far as everything else it is a great road movie. and i think the film unfolds quite nicely.
also LEONE ADMRIRER id like to thank u for noticing that the music sounds a lot like SIMON and GARFUNKLE. i have realized this from the moment i saw it. i wanted to mention it on here(the weboard) but never had the courage. i have had some bad experiences mentioning this film in other spag sites. so i never really brought it up here, except once.

it sounds remarkably like SIMON and G.
listen closly in the song THE BOXER just before the lyrics that go like this...

*in the clearing stands a boxer and a fighter by his trade, and he carries a reminder* etc etc....

just before that moment there is a haunting guitar solo tune that goes by within seconds(it could be  a bass. i dont know i am not an instrument person) and it sounds like something out of FOUR OF THE APOCALYPSE.

well thanks for youre surprisingly positive review. :)
i thought u were gonna crucify this film.

now i am looking forward to youre review on KEOMA(another hated sw that i love with a great passion)
perhaps u will like that film as well.


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Post by: Marco Leone on November 08, 2005, 01:29:52 PM
lol I don't know Leone_lover!  I go away for a few days and you manage to watch THREE FILMS!!!  Good reviews, am enjoying reading them.


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Post by: Banjo on November 09, 2005, 05:45:20 AM
Hex, personally i would say that the musical arrangement and layered harmonies(lead vocalist sounds remarkably like Roger McGuinn) of the Four of the Apocalypse soundtrack are much more reminiscent of the Byrds and Crosby,Still & Nash rather than the slightly less hip and more Everly Brothers type style of Simon & Garfunkel .The rhythm and feel of the Boxer is noticably different from the main "Moving on" theme-i actually perform the more up-tempo  Boxer as bass player for Black Strap Molasses-an English group specialising in American folk/country & blues. Try listening to the Notorious Byrd Brothers LP and the debut CS&N LP to see what i'm getting at!


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Post by: HEX on November 09, 2005, 07:34:59 AM
Hex, personally i would say that the musical arrangement and layered harmonies(lead vocalist sounds remarkably like Roger McGuinn) of the Four of the Apocalypse soundtrack are much more reminiscent of the Byrds and Crosby,Still & Nash rather than the slightly less hip and more Everly Brothers type style of Simon & Garfunkel .The rhythm and feel of the Boxer is noticably different from the main "Moving on" theme-i actually perform the more up-tempo  Boxer as bass player for Black Strap Molasses-an English group specialising in American folk/country & blues. Try listening to the Notorious Byrd Brothers LP and the debut CS&N LP to see what i'm getting at!


thanks BANJO i will check them out. but i did not mean that the entire song was reminiscent of the film. i meant a very small portion of it. just before the last verse u hear a guitar tune and this tune has always reminded me of this film.


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Post by: Banjo on November 10, 2005, 04:30:43 AM
Hex,i put on the movie last night to make sure i wasn't talking complete rubbish  and to be fair the soundtrack is more varied than i remembered with some bluegrass mandolin and barroom piano at the beginning.I see where you're coming from with the Simon & Garfunkel comparison as the more instrumentally spare non-vocal interludes wouldn't be out of place on The Graduate soundtack,and the narrative nature of the whole score also bears similarities to that film.The vocal and instrumental arrangement of the "Bunny" song might also be  mistaken for a Paul Simon composition although obviously a lot less wordy than the maestro himself.I will stick to my guns,however,and say that the other songs owe more to the Byrds/CSN of which  "Movin On" is the most memorable.


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Post by: Leone Admirer on November 12, 2005, 03:12:12 PM
This is it folks, I'm down to my last three reviews. Coming up first is Keoma, I hope your not too disapointed with it Hex.

12.11.05

Keoma

Keoma is described in the acompanying featurette on the DVD as an experiment, and the film does show this.  There are elements in the film that work really well and makes it an interesting and an enjoyable sequence. However there are some elements that do not work at all and I think the much despised score has something to with that.
     Keoma (Franco Nero), a half breed, returns to his home town after fighting in the civil war. He finds that his home town is being ruled and slowly poisoned by ex-confederate raider Caldwell (Donald O'Brien.) He also discovers that his three brothers have joined forces with Cordwell and want to run Keoma out of town. Keoma teams up with his fathers former ranch hand George (Woody Strode) to try and break their icy grip.
    The film's story is interesting and the twists and turns the character make, though they may be not unexpected, help to give the story an enjoyable quality. The film though for me is more of style over substance. The visuals of this film seem to what Enzo G. Castellari has concentrated on. It seems he focussed on the idea of the western being a giant play or tragedy being played out against the backdrop of the west. A great example of this is when during a flashback of Keoma's childhood recounted by an old lady, the camera merely pans up to find the action/flashback occuring behind her and then panning across back to the lady when the flashback is over. This is an idea I actually rather liked and added to the dream like quality that pervades the film, helped especially by the cinematography of Aiace Parolin.
    The use of slowmotion through out the film works well, a definate nod to the great Sam Peckinpah, but is over used at times and, where as Peckinpah, especially in The Wild Bunch uses it greatly and too effect, the site of seeing everyone and almost every important event slowing down takes away from the dramatic impact, especially with the well staged action scenes.
   Acting is generally of a high standard with Nero being excellent, though I felt perhaps a little uncomfortable which actually helps the character, as the main lead. Strode is great as always though I felt his character was underdeveloped and could have been used better. Berger, you may be pleased to here, agreed with me much more in this movie then he did in Sabata. O'Brien was good as the villenous Caldwell and he really displayed his viscious abilities well.
   The dialogue is a bit of a mixed bag. As related in the interview with Franco Nero that is included on this disc, we find out that a lot of the dialogue has been improvised and this can be of an advantage, such as the scene with Keoma and his father but at other times the dialogue can be a bit stilted and unbelievable.
   Now onto the music. It actually almost spoilt the entire movie for me. Just as I wanted to involve myself in the bleak atmosphere and the interesting characters, some old crones voice bleats like a murdered sheep loudly over the soundtrack telling me character feelings and what he was doing. For me at any rate it really put me off some of the scenes. I found myself shouting at the screen when ever the terrible warbling appeared, which was unfortunatly quite often. Other musical themes didn't appear to be quite as bad and I am partial for the odd Harmonica theme.
    This DVD was part of a boxset called Once Upon A Time In Italy: The Spaghetti Western Collection which was released by Anchor Bay for R1 and contains the films Texas Adios, A Bullet For The General, Companeros, Four Of The Apocalypse and Keoma. These can also be bought seperatly.
    The print used for this DVD was presented in its original aspect ratio of 2.35:1 and looked on the most part good. It showed off the grimyness of the run down town. There is some print damage but its nothing that should visually spoil your viewing of the movie. The English soundtrack is presented in 2.0 Mono and is quite good. It unfortuantly picks up the music too well but sound effects and dialogue come across clearly.
    Also included on this disc is an audio commentary by director Enzo G. Castellari and Journalist Waylon Wahl which is quite informative. There is also an interview with Franco Nero whish is as always very interesting and a Theatrical Trailer. The package is rounded up with some Talent Bios.
     Keoma seemed to promise a lot more then it delivers. For me the thing that shoots it down the most is the godawful soundtrack. I would recomend this film to people who like Franco Nero's work as it is an interesting if overall flawed cinematic experiment. I'm not sure if I would recomend this film to a spaghetti newcomer but older hands who wanted to try something different may want to get their hands on a copy.

Ollie

Next Update: 13.11.05 - My Name Is Nobody


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: cigar joe on November 12, 2005, 05:34:19 PM
There are two kinds of people in this world my friend those that can stand the Keoma soundtrak and those that can't.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: HEX on November 12, 2005, 07:10:00 PM
There are two kinds of people in this world my friend those that can stand the Keoma soundtrak and those that can't.


and most cant. but i am part of the minority. the best part of the soundtrack for me is the male singer.
well LEONE ADMIRER i was just a bit disappointed but not to much. i figured u would hate the most hated thing about KEOMA...the music. which is a shame. yes it does get annoying to here what is going on before youre eyes on the screen. but honestly could u picture this film with another soundtrack? it fits the movie like a glove. but when the song is not doing that it is a wonderful soundtrack indeed. especially.....

YA. IAM HERE
IN FRONT OF...THESE....MEN.
(with an incredibly bad english accent ;D)

i enjoyed the film for what it is.

but i agree with u that it should not be shown to newcomers. this is a spaghetti for the pure fan.
i loved the hell out of this movie. it is not in my top ten but definatly top 20(about 13 if i had to guess).

the only cons of the film for me were.

that cheesy line NERO yells out at the end"he cant die! u know why! because he is free! and a free man never dies!"

also what was up with WOODY STRODES death?
did ENZO want him to scream like a parrot when he was getting shot? that completly took me out of the movie. i started laughing my ass off.


but other then that a very good and somewhat strange sw.

it almost has a medieval style to it. i cant help of thinking of knights and kings when i watch KEOMA.
perhaps because of the witch.

i hope u enjoy MY NAME IS NOBODY. another somewhat hated film for the slap stick.
i loved that film as well.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: cigar joe on November 13, 2005, 07:45:35 AM
I don't find it all that bad, though I would prefer if it was just an instrumental track, without the voice.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on November 13, 2005, 08:04:18 AM
Glad you weren't too dissapointed Hex. I think you'll like this review though.

13.11.05

My Name Is Nobody

My experience with 'comedy spaghettis' hasn't been a successful one as I'm sure you'll know. Buying My Name is Nobody and its sequel Nobody Is The Greatest wasn't a hard decision for me. They both had had major participation by Il Maestro and therefore should at least have some redeeming qualities. I knew that My Name Is Nobody was a light hearted western but I thought I'll give it a go. When I finished watching the film I had had an extremely enjoyable cinematic experience, completely opposite to Greatest but I'll discuss that in the next review.
   A young mysterious gunfighter named Nobody (Terence Hill) begins to follow and then tries to persuade old gunfighter Jack Beauregard (Henry Fonda) into facing the final challenge that would make him a legend, to fight the Wild Bunch a gang of 150 men. Beauregard is reluctant at first but due to a series of experiences and adventures he gradually gains understanding for Nobody's plan and they form a strange partnership.
     The film deftly mixes the comedy side with Hill's character with the serious, more grand side of Fonda's. Whilst at times there is perhaps a slight jarring between the two elements but director Tonino Valerii and producer/director Leone manage to usually strike a healthy balance between the two.
     The films opening is certianly very Leone esque, echoing the opening of Leone's opus Once Upon A Time In The West. We have a group of strangers waiting the arrival of the protagonist, in this case Fonda, and we have a whole series of shots identifying the men and the quirks they have whilst waiting for Beauregard. When Fonda finally arrives, he has a shave, a nod perhaps to My Darling Clementine, a referance Leone had made in Once Upon A Time In The West but had been deleted from the final cut. Suddenly violence irrupts and before you know it all the men except Fonda are dead and the spectators are left wondering what happened. We are then launched into the opening credits which shows Hill's character Nobody playing in the water, watched by the amused Beauregard.
    As we learn in the documentary accompanying the DVD, the production of My Name Is Nobody was full of problems. The fact that such an enjoyable product, for me anyway, came out of it has to be credited to the director, producer and all the other cast and crew working on it.
    It seems that the film tends to be slated because of its slapstick elements and though they are over the top and the use of speeding up certain elements, which is thankfully infrequent but yet still annoying, most of the time it isn't done so over the top so as to spoil the film. The humor usually makes fun of the bad guys or is created by heavily exagerated sound effects such as the scene when Nobody begins to slap around a lacky, and the exagerated and almost impossible actions of Nobody, including a very entertaining sequence involving shooting a glass whilst heavily drunk and a scene involving a revolving dummy that Nobody uses to have fights with some men who want him dead.
    The characters in the film and the actors who play them are very good. Seeing the trailer of the film before I started to watch the main film, I feared that Hill's character to me would be very annoying. Thankfully I was wrong and his comic personality makes him quite endering and the quest that he has put himself and Beauregard on wins the audience over.
   Fonda however is the real star. I am a huge fan of Henry Fonda and I know how high in regard Leone held him. The film almost worships him with his slow calculated actions, the sweeping morricone score and the elegic and grand cinematography. Even the screenplay seems to serve him and the delivery of the line "Let's bring my personal history up to date" is excellent and for me is the best line in the film. The speech given by Beauregard at the end of the film is rather touching and sums up all the characters and Leone's feelings towards the passing of the west. It is by no accident that the film is set in 1899.
     The cinematography and direction of the film is of a high standard. Valerii's direction is exceedingly similar to that of Leone, most likely helped by the fact that he was Leone's assistant director thoughout his earlier films and the parts directed by Leone are not all that different. There is an interesting editing element near the end of the film when Beauregard takes on the Wild Bunch. The film breaks into a montage of pictures, as if someone was there with a camera recording it for history, an idea quite important to the story and acually physically shown using a book.
    The score in the film by Morricone is fantastic. Whilst it may not rank with the finest of his work with Leone, his referances to his scores from his previous collaborations, especially Once Upon A Time In The West and these all mix to create an excellent, duel theme. The main theme of Nobody is the best theme of the movie and is very cartchy, with a great tune helped by the use of lady's voices to show the characters good humeored and light hearted personality. The themes associated with Beauregard, referancing the excellent Sinatra song 'My Way' is also very enjoyable and pleasing to listen too. The only piece of music I wasn't too keen on was the theme attached to The Wild Bunch. It's OK until it begins to play Wagner's Ride Of The Valykeries using car horns. Overall though this music, like all of the other Leone collaborations, even though it is not as good as say Once Upon A Time In The West or Once Upon A Time In America, has stayed with me long after i have watched the film.
    This DVD was bought as part of a boxset released the the German division of Paramount home entertainment and features the two films My Name Is Nobody (Mein Name Ist Nobody) and Nobody Is The Greatest (Nobody Ist Der Grosse) which are made up of brand new restored transfers and extras created by TLE Films and which more infomation about the DVD and their other releases and functions can be found at www.TLE-Films.com  (http://www.TLE-Films.com).
    Wow, TLE Films have done a magnificent job with this transfer. It even exceeds that of the excellent Once Upon A Time In The West DVD. The transfer is strong, will brilliant colors and excellent blacks and fine shadow detail. There is very little or no print damage and the prints looks remarkably new. The titles for the film are in German as this DVD was taken from Germany. The audio is presented in both English and German mono 2.0. The English soundtrack is excellent, clear and concise with no hiss and it brings across dialogue, sound effects and Morricone's brilliant score very well.
  This DVD is a two discer and on the second disc we find the documentary Nobody Is Perfect which runs at 75 minutes long. Now I am in two minds about this documentary, it was fascinating to hear the stories of how the film was made, especially with the interview with Terence Hill and the ending of the documentary was genuinely moving but what I didn't like, an element that has been picked up before by people, is the almost villivication of Leone. Now everyone who has read any of Sir Christopher Frayling's books knows of the two sides of Leone. This doco only seemed to explore the one side, the dark side. It makes him seem almost like he was arrogant bastard throughout the whole making of the film. Whilst I do think that the truth should be told and I would rather have the truth then a glossed over version portaying Leone as the nicest guy ever to work for, and the documentary does try to balance it out with a brief comment by Terence Hill almost refuting the doco's claims but it would have been much better and more aggreable to portray Leone for even just 5 minutes in a much better light. If he was horrible through out the shoot then I retract this previous statement but surely he must have brought some good elements to this film?
   Also included in the much better documentary Nobody: Dusted which is 35 minutes long and ties in the resotoration of My Name Is Nobody along with the evolution of home entertainment. There is also a text based feature describing the excellent restoration undertaken by TLE films. Also included is Wanted: Nobody an extensive Gallery with collectables such as Posters, Lobbycards & more from around the world which has Morricone's fabulous score played over it,
Nobody In The News another extensive stills gallery with the entire press books from Germany and the United States, Nobody On 8mm, a rare 8mm Promo reel and excerpt from an 8mm German version
as well as the Theatrical Trailer a DVD promotional trailer for TLE Films release of their restored DVD's of A Fistful Of Dollars and For A Few Dollars More.
   A film that was much more enjoyable then I thought it would be, My Name Is Nobody has a just about right balance of humor and drama. I would definatly recomend this film to Leone fans and spaghetti fans new and old.

Ollie

Next Update: 13.11.05 - Nobody Is The Greatest


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: HEX on November 13, 2005, 09:46:33 AM
i came across MY NAME IS NOBODY in june. it was sitting on the shelf of my local BEST BUY. knowing that it was suppose to parody LEONE films(but not much more then that) i bought it immediatly for only 9.99. i took it home and i fell in love. it was my first time watching HILL do his thing. and he was great. i thought he stole the show. FONDA was no surprise, he is great as usual.
the only thing that i had a problem with was the music. i love the main theme and ride of the valkeries and such. but all the other pieces of music was pretty much ENNIO ripping himself off. u can easily tell the resemblance of two major songs from WEST in NOBODY.
JILL THEME
and
HARMONICA
which is part of the making fun bid but it was rather weird and i felt MORRICONE was just to lazy to come up with other music. but i still loved the WEST rip offs though.

as a matter of fact in none of u own the soundtrack to this film, go out and buy it now.


thanks LEONE ADMIRER i am glad u found this movie touching. because touching it is. i especially like the scene when NOBODY reminieces of his childhood thinking of FONDA as a great hero....

"on an open field with a hundred fifty pure bread sons of bitchs on horse back, and u facin em, alone"

and FONDA'S letter of fair well is wonderful. and the last scene is hilarious. it takes u right back to the begining.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Beebs on November 13, 2005, 09:54:36 AM
Love the title especially. Dr. Strangelove is one of my favorite comedies.

"Gentlemen,  you can't fight in hear. This is the war room!"


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on November 13, 2005, 09:55:31 AM
My last review...

13.11.05

Nobody Is The Greatest

What a disapointment. I did not enjoy much of this film. I found it convoluted, not funny and in some ways very sad. It's a shame that the last film of this years spaghetti season that I am reviewing is also the last western that Leone involved himself with and it is the most disapointing.
    The film follows the adventures of  Joe Thanks (Terence Hill) and his reluctant partner in crime Bill Locomotiva (Robert Charlebois) and an attractive lady with feelings towards Joe, Lucy (Miou-Miou) as they try to get three hundred thousand dollars. On their way they encounter Major Cabot (Patrick McGoohan) who threatens to destory their plan.
    The film is needlessly over plotted. The convoluted storyline creates huge plot holes and generally leaves the audience confused. Damiano Damini, whose excellent direction created the excellent A Bullet For The General really fails to catch much humor especially compared to My Name Is Nobody. There isn't any real drama to speak of to keep the audience occupied, and this is where the film, for me at any rate, suffers again.
   The opening directed by Leone is the best section of the film. It promises a much more exciting, action packed and darkly humerous film and it shows Leone to be the Il Maestro that we all know and love. the fact that the opening, I believe anyway, has little or nothing to do with the rest of the film shows how much of a mess the script must have been before shooting started. The biggest misforturne that fell apon the film was the fact that the negative was stolen and the film had to be be patched together from other material which despite TLE Films sterling restoration work can still be seen. How much the dissaperance of the negative hindered or even helped the film will never be known.
    Even having such great stars as Terence Hill and Patrick McGoohan doesn't help it. The documentary included on the DVD has a brief snippet of an interview with Terence Hill also shot for this DVD release in whcih he appears unwilling to discuss the film. Despite Hill's likeability as a person, he is swallowed by the terrible slap stick he has to do. The worse for me is when he is in a duel with Kalus Kinski, in a sequence in the film that is one of the few highlights of the film and even then its spoilt, when he fires his gun, though we never see it and what we do see is the gun leaping back into his holster.
    McGooham seems a little uncomfortable playing the major but he does create a good villain. Robert Charlebois is fine, though it seems a little overwhelmed as the role of the seemingly treacherous and bad tempered thief Locomotiva. Miou-Miou as Lucy looks beautiful and acts OK as the cute love interest but her dubbing is awful and the high pitched voice, which I doubt was Miou-Miou's, really grates.
    This is sadly one of the worst Morricone scores I have heard and it doesn't have any characteristic memorable themes that I usually associate with the great composer.
      This DVD was bought as part of a boxset released the the German division of Paramount home entertainment and features the two films My Name Is Nobody (Mein Name Ist Nobody) and Nobody Is The Greatest (Nobody Ist Der Grosse) which are made up of brand new restored transfers and extras created by TLE Films and which more infomation about the DVD and their other releases and functions can be found at www.TLE-Films.com  (http://www.TLE-Films.com)
     As said before the print is made up of a lot of dupe elements because of the missing negative but TLE films have managed to do a good job cleaning it up. Whislt no near as good looking as My Name Is Nobody it still looks quite nice despite the odd print defect and weak colors. All this is mentioned in the enclosing documentary. The titles for the film are in German as this DVD was taken from Germany. The audio is presented in both English and German mono 2.0. The English mono is of a good quality. Bringing across music dialogue and sound effects quite well. I remember reading that there are some scenes missing from this release. It may be worth checking the rest of this board to find out but I thought I should give you a warning.
     On the second disc is the documentary Nobody Does It Half As Good As You which is 30 minutes long and is a much better doco then the one for My Name Is Nobody. Here we learn about the troubled history of the film and why it is so villified. Also included is a 10 minute interview with Terence Hill which has been seen in little bits during the other documentarys. It is interesting to hear the man speak and give out infomation on working for Sergio and on the two films. Also included is Wanted: Nobody Ist Der Grösste which is an extensive Gallery with collectables such
as Posters, Lobbycards & more from around the world. This is show with Morricone's score over the top, Nobody In The News which is an extensive stills gallery with the entire press book from Germany as well as Nobody On 8mm which is a  rare 8mm excerpt from the German versionand finally a DVD promotional trailer for TLE films release of the resoted Fistful Of Dollars and For A Few Dollars More.
    It such a shame that film wasn't very good. I did not know much about if before viewing it and I left feeling very dissapointed. I would not recomend it to new and old spaghetti fans and the only people I would recomed it to are Leone fans who could see it as a curiosity.

Ollie

Next Update: 13.11.05 - Conclusion: My Journey Through The Italian West


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on November 13, 2005, 09:57:42 AM
Thanks Beebs  ;D Glad you liked the review Hex. I can see your point about the music, I just felt he was making referances to his previous Leone westerns, almost like, as Leone was, saying goodbye to Leone's west.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: HEX on November 13, 2005, 10:14:40 AM
Thanks Beebs  ;D Glad you liked the review Hex. I can see your point about the music, I just felt he was making referances to his previous Leone westerns, almost like, as Leone was, saying goodbye to Leone's west.


iam very surprised we dont have a MY NAME IS NOBODY thread. LEONE indeed directed many scenes(as second unit  director.) and usually the most important.


for example the scene where FONDA takes on the wild bunch was directed by leone.


also why dont we have a COLOSSUS OF RHODES which i will be buying in a short time. i here it is ok.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on November 13, 2005, 10:48:47 AM
13.11.05

Conclusion: My Journey Through The Italian West

Well this is it, after 22 films I have completed my trail through the best, and worst, that the spaghetti west could throw at me. I hope you have enjoyed my journey as much as I have and I want to thank everyone who has read, posted, discussed and suggested on this forum. Also Many thanks to Marco Leone for the honor of hosting my reviews on his site.
    At the end of this journey I feel I have to recap what I have learnt and experienced. Well, I am very glad that I very much enjoyed almost every spaghetti I watched. Of the the 22, there were only 4 I did not walk away with a smile on my face. In my watching I was lucky to attend a UK cinematic premiere of The Great Silence as well as have a chat with Sir Christopher Frayling, only held back by the fact that I had been to the dentist two hours earlier and my face was still numb at the time of talking.
   I have been able to see some rare classics which I am glad that companies such as Wild East, Blue Underground and Anchor Bay have brought about and why they may nto under-go such extensive restoration that the two Nobody films recieved under the control of TLE Films, as long as they are presented in a good enough condition so that they won't hinder enjoyment then its all ok.
   I have experienced different composers, cinematographers and directors in my experiences. I have learnt the following things regarding this. Sergio Corbucci, Sollima are the two non-Leone directors whose work I enjoyed the most. These included Companeros, The Great Silence, The Big Gundown and Run Man Run. I also still feel that Morricone is the best Spaghetti composer, and his work on films such as Run Man Run, Companeros and My Name Is Nobody make me desperate to go and buy the soundtracks for each film.
   One thing I had heard about people who wanted to watch spaghetti's was that they were worried that it would change their views when it came back to watching Sergio's greats. After I finished watching all the other Spaghetti's I had a great urge to watch the Leone films of Fistful to America. I watched Fistful of Dollars last night and my views hadn't changed. It was like returning to your loved one after spending a while away with your buddies. Its fun to watch the others but its true love to watch Leone's. I hope that isn't too deep or sickly for your taste.
  I hope to continue this thread next year when I indulge in an another Spaghetti season (If any one can recomend me any spaghetti's I  havent watched then I would be grateful if you could let me know) and I hope to continue posting here as ever. Again many thanks for riding with me on this journey and I hope you haven't been too bored with my ramblings!

Many Thanks

Ollie


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: HEX on November 13, 2005, 11:22:45 AM
13.11.05

Conclusion: My Journey Through The Italian West

Well this is it, after 22 films I have completed my trail through the best, and worst, that the spaghetti west could throw at me. I hope you have enjoyed my journey as much as I have and I want to thank everyone who has read, posted, discussed and suggested on this forum. Also Many thanks to Marco Leone for the honor of hosting my reviews on his site.
    At the end of this journey I feel I have to recap what I have learnt and experienced. Well, I am very glad that I very much enjoyed almost every spaghetti I watched. Of the the 22, there were only 4 I did not walk away with a smile on my face. In my watching I was lucky to attend a UK cinematic premiere of The Great Silence as well as have a chat with Sir Christopher Frayling, only held back by the fact that I had been to the dentist two hours earlier and my face was still numb at the time of talking.
   I have been able to see some rare classics which I am glad that companies such as Wild East, Blue Underground and Anchor Bay have brought about and why they may nto under-go such extensive restoration that the two Nobody films recieved under the control of TLE Films, as long as they are presented in a good enough condition so that they won't hinder enjoyment then its all ok.
   I have experienced different composers, cinematographers and directors in my experiences. I have learnt the following things regarding this. Sergio Corbucci, Sollima are the two non-Leone directors whose work I enjoyed the most. These included Companeros, The Great Silence, The Big Gundown and Run Man Run. I also still feel that Morricone is the best Spaghetti composer, and his work on films such as Run Man Run, Companeros and My Name Is Nobody make me desperate to go and buy the soundtracks for each film.
   One thing I had heard about people who wanted to watch spaghetti's was that they were worried that it would change their views when it came back to watching Sergio's greats. After I finished watching all the other Spaghetti's I had a great urge to watch the Leone films of Fistful to America. I watched Fistful of Dollars last night and my views hadn't changed. It was like returning to your loved one after spending a while away with your buddies. Its fun to watch the others but its true love to watch Leone's. I hope that isn't too deep or sickly for your taste.
  I hope to continue this thread next year when I indulge in an another Spaghetti season (If any one can recomend me any spaghetti's I  havent watched then I would be grateful if you could let me know) and I hope to continue posting here as ever. Again many thanks for riding with me on this journey and I hope you haven't been too bored with my ramblings!

Many Thanks

Ollie



no sir not bored at all. u did a wonderful job. i am kinda sad that it is over.

here are a few suggestions for next season.

THE MERCENARY
THE GRAND DUEL
FACE TO FACE
LIGHT THE FUSE SARTANA IS COMING
THOSE DIRTY DOGS
BULLET FOR SANDOVAL
A NAME THAT CRIED VENGEANCE(if u can get the rare vhs some where)
DJANGO THE BASTARD(aka THE STRANGERS GUNDOWN)
BLINDMAN
HELLBENDERS(which anchor bay should be releasing remastered later in december)
NAVAJO JOE
THE RETURN OF RINGO
THE PRICE OF POWER
MINNESOTA CLAY
(and the elusive)KOEMA 2: ELECTRIC BOOGALU ;D

just to name a few. good luck finding them.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on November 13, 2005, 11:27:08 AM
I'm a bit sad too Hex  :( but I am very glad for the encouragement that you and others have shown me and thanks for the list of films. I'll set about hunting them down  ;D


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Marco Leone on November 13, 2005, 03:58:10 PM
I'll miss your reviews too.  They have been a welcome addition to both this, and my own, site.

There are still plenty of great ones for you to dig out!  Examples are

Return of Ringo
Pistol for Ringo
Cemetery without Crosses
Django the bastard
Forgotten Pistolero
Hellbenders
Navajo Joe

All of which I personally consider must view.  Not to mention those that are near as dammit must view (Bandidos, Viva Django).

Thanks for this thread though, it has made for interesting debate and good reading.  ;D


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on November 14, 2005, 03:29:41 AM
End of an era-oh well perhaps the new one is not too far away ,and like Hex and Marco i'm sure there are still plenty of goodies out there for your enjoyment!
Just like to mirror your views on the Nobody films and i agree there is enough Leone involvement (and quality in the first film at least )here for a permanent thread alongside his other 6 movies.
Being a lover of acoustic guitars,harmonicas and folk music in general i enjoy the Keoma soudtrack.I agree that the female vocalist can be grating in places but not enough to affect my enjoyment.You may enjoy the very similar Jonathan of The Bears and i'm sure no-one would have a problem with the music here!


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Du
Post by: Beebs on November 14, 2005, 05:26:53 PM

iam very surprised we dont have a MY NAME IS NOBODY thread. LEONE indeed directed many scenes(as second unit  director.) and usually the most important.


Hence the topic, Other Films.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Du
Post by: HEX on November 14, 2005, 05:33:11 PM
Hence the topic, Other Films.

thank u BEEBS for going through the trouble of going way back in the discussion to point out at something i said and lovingly adding a smart ass remark to it. ::)


according ot u might as well only talk about GBU and have the rest of the films as under "other films" as well. this is the SERGIO LEONE web board! so should we not have individual topics on each of the films he directed?
COLOSSUS OF RHODES(even though that will get no fan fare)


and since i feel an itch of another smart ass remark coming my way NO LETS NOT HAVE A THREAD ON THE COMMERCIALS HE DID! ;D


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on November 15, 2005, 02:16:04 AM
Beebs,i seriously think there is enough content in the Nobody movies to provide  as much discussion as Leones five other westerns-a hell of a lot of comment was posted by several members under "News" just about the new German dvds!!
Apart from the significant amount of footage directed by Leone,lets not forgot that he also produced the Nobody films.I think on the opening credits themselves it states "A Sergio Leone Film".I reckon both movies could have a shared thread to slot in nicely between DYS and OUATIA.
Don't know about Collosus of Rhodes but i guess this would only be of minor interest.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on November 24, 2005, 10:23:30 AM
I've finally had time to reflect on the films that I have watched these last couple of months and have therefore produced a list of the top ten, (they are in no particular order however).

Johnny Yuma
The Man From Nowhere
Day of Anger
Run, Man, Run
The Big Gundown
Death Rides A Horse
Companeros
My Name is Nobody
The Great Silence
Four of the Apocolypse


I wasn't sure about FOTA at first but now I 'm certain of its place as it was one of the films I did most enjoy.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on November 25, 2005, 03:08:13 AM
I think that if you become so obsessed and end up with as many SW's as some of us nutters i'm confident that you'll see Four of the Apocalypse drop way way down in your favourites list!


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on November 25, 2005, 03:51:34 AM
You guys have given me enough ideas for that to become my goal  ;D


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on November 25, 2005, 05:06:27 AM
Hope you've got a healthy bank balance then,this obsessions almost cost me my marriage once or twice!


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on November 25, 2005, 11:26:29 AM
hmm, not married yet so I'm OK on that score  ;D.  My DVD Collection has reached the 550 mark so I'm sure a few more wont hurt  ;)


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on November 26, 2005, 02:17:35 AM
Blimey,we must be really corrupting you!!!


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on November 26, 2005, 04:49:39 AM
no, no, no. You just helped it to get past the 500 mark thats all a bit quicker. It was only a matter of time  ;D


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on November 26, 2005, 05:03:53 AM
Oh i don't know,what would your mentor Leone say about  all this?


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on November 26, 2005, 05:48:51 AM
ummm, "You love cinema a lot, and it doesn't matter that that you found other Spaghetti's later, you were with mine long before that?"  ;D Sorry.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on January 02, 2006, 04:51:38 PM
Just an update, I have bought Great Silence on DVD (after I enjoyed it so much in the cinema) and the Wild East Lee Van Cleef double bill containing The Grand Duel and Beyond The Law, this is just a taster, I will be buying more after my noir season (I'm getting stimultaed during my noir short film project.)


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: cigar joe on January 02, 2006, 05:44:57 PM
Great will be awaiting your reviews  ;)


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: grandpa_chum on January 04, 2006, 10:49:44 AM
I personally enjoyed reading the reviews very much... i may be a little late but i just caught up on the last bunch... anyway I can't really reccomend any others that haven't already been mentioned, in fact I think i'm still at about 22 that I've seen... I can say that if you loved sollima as much as I did you will probably want to catch Violent City and Revolver, two of his 70's crime flicks which both have great dvd releases from blue underground(violent city might be anchor bay)... anyway two of my favorite movies, in fact I personally rank them both higher than run man run and the big gundown even with my favoritism towards spaghetti's(i may have mentioned this all before, possibly even on this thread i don't remember, frankly I probably praise those 2 films too much on this board, it probably gets repetitive)


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on January 04, 2006, 11:20:23 AM
thanks for the suggestions grandpa, I'll definatly be sure to check them out  :)


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on January 05, 2006, 05:21:53 AM
Leone Admirer did you not see Grand Duel on Xmas Day -which was shown under the alternate Big Showdown title?I'm sure this ITV4 version is longer than my (crap) copy of Grand Duel although this isn't the same Wildeast version  like yours !!


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on January 05, 2006, 05:41:59 AM
No, sadly I didn't catch it on Christmas day banjo, but I am looking forward to seeing it on the DVD.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on January 05, 2006, 05:49:07 AM
I bet you ITV4 repeat Big Showdown soon because i don't know if you noticed but ITV4 changed their Boxing Day evening schedule and showed My Name Is Nobody again and without that annoying ITV4 logo,so i taped it again in order to "lose" the adverts-yes i know you have the brill TLE dvd-one for me to get in the future i think!!


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on January 05, 2006, 08:37:13 AM
It definatly is  ;D, also have you got round to buying Johnny Yuma yet?


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on January 06, 2006, 02:05:43 AM
No but i intend to quite soon as well as Viva Django and $10,000 Blood Money.I think there maybe one or two other (Wildeast DVDs?)on your guide i'm interested in.I've just ordered Thomas Weissers  Spaghetti Westerns:The Good,The Bad and The Violent(guide to 558 SW's) and i can't wait to get stuck into this book.If you look on Ebay under "spaghetti westerns" there always seems to be dozens of very obscure sounding sw DVDs up for sale and it'll be good to have a handy resource to look these sw's up!!
 


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on January 06, 2006, 05:36:21 AM
banjo, this is the official site of Wild East http://www.wildeast.net/content.htm so you can have a look at the DVD's and see if any take your fancy. Hope this helps.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on January 16, 2006, 07:34:43 AM
The Great Silence: Reflections

I'm just going to keep this review short and sweet as I have already given my views on this wonderful film. I have recently just finished watching the film for the first time on DVD, and for me, its just as wonderful on the small screen as it was on the big screen. The music was just as excellent as I remembered it to be, the acting was fabulous with Klaus Kinski and Trintignant being wonderful in their roles and moraly opposites,and yet still the same in their roles.
     The direction and cinematography, whilst being a little bit sloppy, suit the film perfectly and snow always lends itself to be one of the best cinematic weathers we have.  The film is definatly worth being re-explored by fans of the genre and newcomers should definatly check out this wonderful film.
     The R1 DVD I watched the film on this time round was by Fantoma. They present the film uncut, in non-anamorphic 1.66:1 and in its original English Mono taken from the original negative. The presentation seemed very similar to the one I saw at the UK cinematic premiere. Picture does contain some damage and the audio does hiss and have limitations but it doesn't detract from the overall enjoyment.
      Included on the disc as extras is an introduction by Alex Cox. The disc says do not watch before the movie and I agree as Mr Cox dispenses the spoilers out thick and fast.  Also included is the alternate ending which should be seen to be believed and this can be watched silent or with commentary by Mr Cox. Finally there are liner notes included on the DVD by Alex Cox.
     For people who wish to own a version of this great film (and what has become my favourite non-leone spaghetti) then this seems to be the best version.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on January 16, 2006, 08:10:09 AM
16.01.06

Beyond The Law

This Lee Van western begins well and ends well but is weighed down by a terrible middle which makes the film over long. The humour does not sit at all well in the film and it would have been much better if they had played the film straight through out like the begining and end.
    The film begins with a grouping of strangers traveling on a stage coach including a preacher (Lionel Stander) and a European called Ben Novak (Antonio Sabato) carrying money across the west to give to a silver mine to pay the workers. The money is stolen off the stagecoach and is hidden by one of the thiefs Cudlip (Lee Van Cleef). When Novack realises the money is gone he travels back to find it, only finsing Cudlip and a friendship is born. When hard troubles hit the town Novack forces his friend to become sheriff, seemingly not knowing of his murkey past.
      The opening heist seems to promise an excellent movie ahead. The director Giorgio Stegani manages to keep the pace up and the excitement high in the opening scenes. However a problem arises. The gang, including Cudlip and the preacher, never seems to convince that they could be an outlaw gang. They seem too jokey, too bumbling to be a good outfit. There are quite a few jokes made at their expense and this I think hurts the movie. If the gang had been portrayed as well badasses the moral dilema of Cudlip becoming sheriff could be much better realised and be more rewarding to the audience. The main villain of the piece played by Gordom Mitchell seems to be woefully out of place, his rediculous costume seemingly encapsulating this. At times, perhaps too much is happening at once and this hurts the movie.
    For me, this isn't the best Lee Van Cleef performance. He does however excel at the exciting end and in this he shows us a glimmer of what this movie could be.
   Sabato is ok as Novak, the new comer who quickly learns how to survive in the west. Other characters do seem to be not used very well. Mitchel does what he can with such a small bad guy role (he does manage to make him menacing, especially during a siege in the town but the film needs to spend more time with the character to make him all the more effective.
    The cinematography was ok, making use of the spanish locations and picking up the dirty, dusty location. Music was not very remarkable and the humerous banjo music I feel hurt the movie.
    Wild East have presented this film in a double set with The Grand Duel on a single 'flipper' disc.
    Beyond The Law is presented in an anamorphic print taken from the Italian release with an English mono soundtrack. The print is quite strong with a little bit of damage there and perhaps a few too washed out colors but it doesn't really hurt the movie at all. The Italian print is longer then the US release version and therefore when a scene that is on the Italian print but has never been dubbed for the English release appears, the film reverts to the Italian language with English subtitles. There is about 2 - 3 minutes of re-instated footage. The English mono is not bad, it does contain the usual clicks and hiss and does have a limited range but it doesn't really hurt the enjoyment of the film.
    Included on the extras front is a trailer, a photo gallery set to music and the alternate English titles. I personally think Wild East should be commended for including this extra as it does show the fact that they are looking at other prints to try and track down the one of the best quality for the DVD release. I also think the English titles were better then the one used in the Italian print in which the title card that Beyond The Law appears on is quite distracting.
  The film was a bit of a disapointment for me. It never reached it's full potential and it was let down by too many negative points. I wouldn't recomend this to new comers but devout fans of spaghetti's and Lee Van Cleef will most likely want to check it out.

Ollie

(Also see Cigar Joes opinion of this film here: http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=2637.0)

Next Update: The Grand Duel


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on January 16, 2006, 08:34:47 AM
16.01.06

The Grand Duel

Now this is more like it! I very much enjoyed this western. Lee Van Cleef was excellent in it, the story was captavating (even if I admit to guessing the ending about halfway through the film), the score was brilliant and the direction was fantastic. This has everything I want in a Lee Van Cleef spaghetti western.
  The film begins with a bunch of strangers arriving at a town which is under siege. Bounty hunters want to collect the bounty on Philipp Wermeer (Peter O'Brien) who is wanted for murder. One man walks off the stage coach, Sheriff Clayton (Lee Van Cleef) and gets Phil. Phil escapes but is continually found and protected by Sheriff Clayton. It seems Phil is wanted by the powerful family the Saxons for the murder of their father, but Clayton seems convinced on Phil's innocence and will fight to prove it.
   The explosive and darkly comic opening is an excellent introduction to the film. It seems to be screaming LEE VAN CLEEF IS BACK! His trademarks such as his pipe smoking all make come backs here and we are all the glad for it. The film is full of great camera set ups, action scenes and dialogue and there is an excellent use of the flashback. The film certainly owes a few debts to Leone but it makes the all the better for it. The opening of the film, and the mixture of people inside a stagecoach traveling between watering hole and waterhole to get to their destination, and being distracted by the pickup of a wanted desperado is a referance to the excellent John Ford western Stagecoach. I thought that this idea translated well into the spaghetti domain and made the film all the more enjoyable.
     The acting is of a high standard wit Lee Van Cleef playing the role he has played many times in spaghetti's, the violent badass who is just on the right side of good. The thing that I do find most impressive with nearly all of Cleef's appearance is his ability to add at least some kind of human dimension to what could have been, strictly cardboard cut out roles. For instance his personal anguish here is played very well by Cleef and really shows its head in the later parts of the movie. Peter O'Briens Phil is different on the other hand. Phil is not the most likable of men who is on his own vendetta and O'Brien plays this remarkably well. His seemingly uncairing nature masking a person who has been deeply hurt by the killing of someone very close to him.
   The Saxon all tend to be played well but the stand out performance is by Klaus Grünberg who plays the psychotic, slightly disfigured and campy Adam Saxon. The scene where he kills an old man is actually quite horrific and really sets up the character well for his fate at the end of the movie.
     The film is certainly well shot , again imitating the Leone style quite a bit with tight close ups during showdowns, but the best bits for me was the moody tiniting and lighting of the flashbacks. The direction by Giancarlo Santi has to be commended and he keeps the pace flying along (but not too fast) in the films relatively short run time. The music score by Sergio Bardotti is fantastic and has been reknewed by its inclusion in Quentin Tarantino's Kill Bill Vol 1.
     Wild East have presented this film in a double set with Beyond The Law on a single 'flipper' disc.           
     The Grand Duel is presented in its original 2.:35.1 aspect ratio in an anamorphic print taken from the Italian version (which has a rather distracting title card during the opening sequence) and in English mono. The print has certainlu seen better days. We had lots of damage, splices and debris all over the print but certainly not enough to ruin the enjoyment of the film. The English mono does come across but is marred by hiss and limitations, again it doesn't detract from the enjoyment of the film. Included on the disc as extras is a scored photo gallery and a trailer.
    I really enjoyed every minute of this film. I thought this was a superb, enjoyable western with great performances by Lee Van Cleef and all together a very well made western. I would recomend this highly to those familiar with the spaghetti genre and newcomers.

Ollie



Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on January 16, 2006, 09:17:03 AM
The Great Silence: Reflections
      Included on the disc as extras is an introduction by Alex Cox. The disc says do not watch before the movie and I agree as Mr Cox dispenses the spoilers out thick and fast.  Also included is the alternate ending which should be seen to be believed and this can be watched silent or with commentary by Mr Cox. Finally there are liner notes included on the DVD by Alex Cox.
     
Anyone intending to buy the dvd for this extra feature don't get the Eureka version which i did although it still has the alternate "happy"ending but with no commentary obviously.Having said that i don't recall offhand any print damage or audio hiss for that matter-will have another look i think!


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on January 16, 2006, 09:18:20 AM
The presentation on the Fantoma disc for me was the same as the one I saw in the cinema. Print damage isn't too much, just the odd flicker or object.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on January 17, 2006, 05:17:53 AM
I agree, The Grand Duel is definatly the better of the two movies.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on March 06, 2006, 02:49:16 AM
It definatly is  ;D, also have you got round to buying Johnny Yuma yet?
The Diamond Entertainment SW Box Set arrived last weekend and the first film i watched was Johnny Yuma and as you and Marco Leone say this is excellent,not quite up with the cream of the crop,but one of the best of the rest!For me this SW has a gothic like atmosphere to it,the music's great ,i enjoy the interaction between Yuma and Carradine and also the beautiful wicked widow.Although on the sleeve the running time is given as 99 minutes-the same as the Wildeast DVD it is in actual fact 3 minutes shorter than this and is missing the subtitled scenes Leone Admirer mentioned in his review-but this set containing 13 sw's only cost me £8 from UK Amazon so i'm not complaining-btw the Johnny Yuma print is very good and in widescreen!!


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 06, 2006, 04:33:04 AM
I'm very glad you enjoyed it! Now I have to watch the ones you recomended to me.  :)


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on March 06, 2006, 06:14:54 AM
I think so!
I defy you not to like the Mercenary or Face To Face!!!


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 29, 2006, 03:28:21 PM
Hello Folks! I would like to say after such kind praise that I recieved from many of you at this forum, and because I have got a spaghetti itch that I really need to scratch, I am resurecting this thread again. In this opening bit I am going to start off with my thoughts on the restorations of spaghetti's and their (and film overall) contributions to the world. Then later on this week I have reviews of two spaghetti's I Am Sartana Your Angel Of Death, and If You Meet Sartana Pray For Your Death.I'm sorry this is only a small taster but I wan't to collect all my spaghetti's together so I can review them together. This is a collection of films that I hope to review soon:

The Mercenary
Face to Face
Blindman
Django the Bastard
A pistol for Ringo
The return of Ringo
cemetery without croses
Viva Django
Django strikes again
Hellbenders
Light the fuse... sartana is coming
Teppepa


Anyway...on with the show!

Spaghetti Cinema: Restoration And A Legacy

Italy, like all good nations, have given the world their fare share of great filmmakers such as our own great Sergio Leone, Fellini, Visconti and Rossellini. Most of these films are famous and in todays current (and more then welcomed) trend of presenting films to their best for home entertainment have undergone some kind of restoration. DVD has been able to give the viewer a look at other kinds of cinema, away from the beaten path and small studios, a long with the big ones, have been releasing cinematic gems. This has spread to film noir and now onto spaghetti westerns.
     The best Spaghetti westerns, like any good western tends to use all of it's given frame to create indelible images that remain for us long after the closing titles have faded away. It's important, well at least I and others feel it is important, that the presentation, audio and visuals, should be kept as close to the director's intention. For years fans of all kind of western films had to put up with pan and scan, dusty, muggy prints with even worse soundtracks. Italian westerns suffered more then others due to their perception as perhaps 'a lesser genre' (which they certainly are not). With the advance of DVD into the popular consumer market, these problems and presentations may still be there, it's good to see that at least some companies are trying to restore these films to something like their original theatrical release.
      Now this process may be hard. It often involves finding a print that looks good but includes footage that may have been deleted for the US release. For Italian westerns the restoration process is made even harder. Foreign distributors bought the films and sometimes cut it up themselves. Different countries made different dubs, some more complete then others. A case in point being the restoration of The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly. The scenes removed were never dubbed into English for the US release and this created problems for MGM and Triage studios in deciding whether to put these scenes back in. Their final decision was controversial to say the least. Other companies such as Wild East, Anchor Bay and Blue Underground try to get the picture as complete as possible with the best looking picture. This may involve restoring sequences with the original Italian soundtrack where it was never dubbed and this has been welcomed by fans of this genre.
        Picture restoration is difficult too. Long departed ways of making transfers, poorly kept negatives and chopped up prints presents a mindfield to those trying to undertake this noble crusade. But it can be done. The transfer of OUATITW is a particularly good example. As well as the german edition of My Name Is Nobody. It just takes alot of time and a lot of money.
      Fan versions are available also, with special mention going to Franco Cleef whose wonderful restorations and versions have over come limited resources and availability of suitable prints and material to bring certain films such as The Big Gundown to as close to complete as possible.
      DVD extras have been able to give us interviews with the people involved. Franco Nero, Tomas Milian and many other have sat infront of the cameras and have related their experience at this interesting time in Italian cinema history. We should be keeping these as a record not just for this genre but for many genres as at sometime these people will not be around and we would have missed out on some great stories and some genuine cinematic know how from a previous age.
     These films are currently being experienced by a new audience who themselves bring different expectations and desire to those who saw them 30-40 years ago. However we all share our lovie for cinema and the constant rejuvernation of all cinema that proper restoration brings should allow audiences to experience this for many years to come.

Ollie


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: mezcal on March 29, 2006, 08:26:03 PM
I believe you have shied away from the comedy westerns, but i would personally put the 2 trinity movies alonside my name is nobody. True, they lack the grand 'farewell to the west' storyline of MNIN, but they deserve to be viewed maybe at the end of your next batch. The uk nouveaux pictures 2-fer is great quality and includes bonus interviews, for 10 quid, a worthwile purchase


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on March 30, 2006, 02:15:45 AM
Yeau Leone Admirer did you see either of the two recent showings of They Call Me Trinity on itv4?


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 30, 2006, 04:44:29 AM
No I didn't sadly. I've just got ITV4 for my room so now I don't have to fight the others to watch it.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on March 30, 2006, 05:07:31 AM
Thats good news!!
Try and catch Vengeance when they decide to reshow it!


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: cigar joe on March 30, 2006, 05:24:47 AM
My opinion is comedy westerns should be in a whole other category and judged among their peers:

The Trinitys (Spencer & Hill)
My Name is Nobody (Fonda & Hill)
Support Your Local (Gunfighter-Sherrif with James Garner)
Cat Balou (Fonda & Lee Marvin)
Out West (with Laurel & Hardy)
Blazing Saddles (Mel Brooks)
The Shakiest Gun in The West (Don Knots)
Viva Maria (Bardot & Moreau)
Kid Blue (Hopper & Oates)
The Dutchess & The Dirtwater Fox (Hawn & Siegel)
The Ballad of Cable Hogue) (Stevens & Robards)
The Life & Times of Judge Roy Bean (Newman)

To think of a few just off the top of my head, this is where they truly should be judged, in my opinion

And all the SW comedies should be mixed in the AW's, they are comedies. My Name is nobody is sort of a hybird though, trying to accomplish more than comedy the same can be said for Cable Hogue, and Roy Bean, but the comedy element can't be ignored.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on March 30, 2006, 06:47:37 AM
Corbucci's Companeros and The Mercenary owe alot in terms of style to Viva Maria.I say when it comes to different types of western-THE MORE THE MERRIER!!


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 04, 2006, 02:50:00 PM
Here's the confirmed list of spaghetti's for 2006's reviews.

Return Of Ringo
Navajo Joe
Bandidos
Face To Face
Hellbenders
The Mercenary
If You Meet Sartana Prey For Your Death
I Am Sartana Your Angel Of Death
Cemetary Of Crosses
Price Of Power
They Call Me Trinity
Trinity Is Still My Name
Heads I Kill You, Tails You Die


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Firecracker on April 04, 2006, 04:25:45 PM
Here's the confirmed list of spaghetti's for 2006's reviews.

Return Of Ringo
Navajo Joe
Bandidos
Face To Face
Hellbenders
The Mercenary
If You Meet Sartana Prey For Your Death
I Am Sartana Your Angel Of Death
Cemetary Of Crosses
Price Of Power
They Call Me Trinity
Trinity Is Still My Name
Heads I Kill You, Tails You Die


dont forget Blindman is on the way ;)


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 04, 2006, 04:32:28 PM
Whoops oh yes thanks  ;D


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Firecracker on April 04, 2006, 04:41:06 PM
Whoops oh yes thanks  ;D

I will send it in the mail by monday. so If anything it could be a late entry to youre list.

I cant wait for your review on "heads you die tails I kill you". Did you pay for the japanese disc? Thats expensive :o :o :o


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 04, 2006, 04:43:35 PM
No a friend gave it me to watch after I told him I liked spaghetti's. Its a P&S copy I believe but I'm looking forward to watch it.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Firecracker on April 04, 2006, 04:46:20 PM
No a friend gave it me to watch after I told him I liked spaghetti's. Its a P&S copy I believe but I'm looking forward to watch it.

I hear it is really good.

It is a comedy/adventure western with George Hilton. I hear it is the goofiest of the goofs.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: mezcal on April 08, 2006, 10:16:17 PM
Leone Admirer,
You are in for a treat with Hellbenders. Excellent story, moriccone soundtrack,  Joseph Cotton carries the acting and an excellent female character (in a SW?? - outside of OUATIA)
Glad you've added the trinity pair to your viewing pleasure, if you're disappointed i'd be happy to reimburse you.
Am intirgued as to your reaction to these, especially since comedy SW's are the antithesis (and evolution) of SW's. 


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 09, 2006, 02:12:54 PM
Coming in much earlier then expected, heres my first review for 2006. It was great to hear Morricone's soundtrack light up the room mixed with sounds of gunshots and horses.

09.04.06

Return Of Ringo

My first spaghetti of 2006 and I enjoyed it very much. Whilst not ranking with the best eurowesterns I have seen it did it's job in entertaining me and had an excellent soundtrack too!
     Giuliano Gemma plays Montgomery Brown, a Union Captain who returns home to a town on the edge of the Mexican border, find that his father has been killed, his wife (Lorella De Luca) has being captured and being forced to marry a mexican bandit and that he has a daughter! With the help of a kindly florist Morning Glory (Manuel Muñiz) and a prostitute Rosita (Nieves Navarro) he goes undercover to right the wrongs and to rid the town of its evil inhabitants!
     The introduction of Gemma's character in the film is excellent. Talking to a bar tender he gets up and shoots a pair of Mexicans sitting at a bar stool. As he flicks the table over we realise that one of the bandits had a gun trained on him. After he discovers that hi swife is missing he rides into town sporting a beard and a mexican hat. As he rides in a man is seemingly shot out of no where. The desolate town seems to have no positive attributes and is almost like the town out of Django
     There are other similarites with Django present in the film also. Such as the Mexican bandits themselves, and the fact that the main character's hand becomes disfigured at one point. I wasn't expecting this and whilst most of the film's violence is pretty tame this came as quite shocking if not gory. The missing spouse is also similar however in this film the protagonist discovers her.
     Gemma is excellent as the wronged Brown. He superbly acts out his mental anguish with the highlight being when he spots his wife getting out of a carriage and is prepared to kill her but is interupted by the discovery of his daughter. Manuel Muñiz is good as the comic relief in the film and despite his strange ways doesn't come off as too annoying and strikes a nice balance in the film. Fernando Sancho is excellent as the main bandit and he does give off an air of menace, just as he does in the other Italian westerns such as Arizona Colt. The sequence in which he turns up in a church during the funeral of an enemy is particualaly enjoyable.
     Direction by Duccio Tessari, who also co wrote the film, is stirling with some interesting framing, the sequence with Montgomery and Rosita playing cards in her room is a particular highlight. The story was intersting, if had been seen numerous times in other spaghetti's before and since. Dubbing was average with most of it being good with the odd voice sounding strange. Special mention must go however to the excellent Morricone score. It was over the top, memorable and exciting! I loved the opening song and the theme has stuck with me. The music also reminisces on previous Morricone scores. A case in point being the funeral of a soldier in which the theme Morricone uses is remarkable similar to that used in the Civil War sections of The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly.
        The film was watched from an old English VHS and was presented in P&S under the title The Angry Gun . Whilst it certainly wasn't the best transfer at times and the P&S was annoying in parts I was glad to see a film I probably wouldn't normally have hunted out. If there is a more recent version of this film on DVD I would be interested to hear of it.
       To sum up, this film was a very enjoyable B/C western which I would definatly recomend to spaghetti fans and newcomers alike.

Leone Admirer

Next Review: Navajo Joe


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Firecracker on April 09, 2006, 09:33:10 PM
great review. shame you dont have "Pistol for Ringo" to see before this film. Not that it is a REAL direct prequel but it just would be nice for you too see and review it.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on April 10, 2006, 03:38:12 AM
Thanks for the great review and i concur with pretty much all of that!


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Post by: The Firecracker on April 10, 2006, 05:19:43 AM
 If there is a more recent version of this film on DVD I would be interested to hear of it.
       

Leone Admirer

Next Review: Navajo Joe
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there is a japanese disk that is sold at xploited cinema. however these discs are very expensive. check ebay for a cheaper price.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on April 10, 2006, 08:17:24 AM
Yeah Leone Admirer the seller on Ebay i pointed out to you regarding the Mercenary dvd a couple of weeks ago sells this version for about £5! 


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Firecracker on April 20, 2006, 12:42:41 AM
Hey Leone admirer! We here members want another heaping helping of your reviews! Were starving!


WE WANT MORE! WE WANT MORE! WE WANT MORE!

come on everybody!


WE WANT MORE! WE WANT MORE! WE WANT MORE!


 ;D


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 20, 2006, 04:58:28 AM
I'm very sorry for keeping everybody waiting guys, expect at least one review by tonight, hopefully 2.  :)


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on April 20, 2006, 06:55:49 AM
If not YOU WILL BE PUNISHED ;D


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Marco Leone on April 20, 2006, 07:47:51 AM
Great start to the next batch of reviews L.A.!  ;D I love Return of Ringo, its hovering around my Top Ten.

Looking forward to sticking your latest writings on my site.  Unfortunately I'm having problems with my Internet Provider at the moment, and can't get in to update my pages, thus the reason that I've not done any changes recently.  I've got some filed away (a few I was going to ask Cigar Joe and Firecracker for permission to use, as well as one that Broadwalk Angel offered ages ago).


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on April 20, 2006, 07:48:58 AM
Whats happened to your reviews bro?


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Post by: The Firecracker on April 20, 2006, 09:18:44 AM
I've got some filed away (a few I was going to ask Cigar Joe and Firecracker for permission to use, as well as one that Broadwalk Angel offered ages ago).


Thats cool and the gang.

You have my permission. :)


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 20, 2006, 06:08:10 PM
please don't hurt me. We had an HD Cam at work which has been playing about during loading so I've been very busy today. I have Friday off so you will definatly get one then. Sorry again guys  :-[


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Firecracker on April 20, 2006, 08:25:04 PM
please don't hurt me.


I am thinking about it. ;)


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: cigar joe on April 20, 2006, 09:11:39 PM
Go ahead Marco when you get access again CJ


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on April 21, 2006, 03:23:06 AM
please don't hurt me.
We've got to find someone,Maydays coming up-King For The Day LA?


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 21, 2006, 06:21:35 AM
As long as Chris Lee in drag isn't there I'm OK.

"Come, you have an appointment with the Wicker Man"


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 21, 2006, 04:48:39 PM
hahahahaha you thought I had forgotten haven't you well....

04.21.06

Navajo Joe

People had told me, your not going to like this movie. Hell, Burt Reynolds himself told me that he didn't like this movie, well I tell a lie not to me in an interview but...
    It was with an interest that I sat down and watched this movie. Granted my new 50" DLP rear projection HD TV didn't do anything for a splicey pan and scan print it was an experience that I found satisfying.
     The film opens with a gang of men brutally scalping and killing a Native American lady. Cut to the same men whipping up a storm in a frontier town. A traitor informs them of a shipment of money coming to another town. They ride off to steal all the while followed and hunted by Joe (Burt Reynolds)
     Lets just say the film is short on plot and at times long on action (ahh pappy, sir,  sorry to paraphrase you) which should be some fo the guiding principles of a western tale. Yes, some of the ideas in the film are a bit unexplored and yes those town folk perhaps need a good kicking for being such stupid wusses but there are elements in the film that make up for that. The excellent train robbery being one (though why it took so long to remove a log I don't know). And the sequence with Joe hunting down the gangs men and it's leader is at itmes quite suspensful. The film is a revenge story and I feel the director, Sergio Corbucci, brings across Joe's frustration in trying to get revenge whilst being forced to carry the problems of a weak town.
     Burt isn't too bad at all as Joe. He at least looks a little bit like a Native Indian and his portrayal of a haunted and angry man was impressive. The only other person that really stuck out for me was the head Bandit, Duncan (Aldo Sambrell) who brought across menace enough to be an interesting antagonist to the grumpy Joe.
     Corbucci's direction is always at times hit and miss. In some scenes he gives us some gorgeously framed shots bringing across the intensity and action that a revenge film needed. At other times plot wrap ups seemed to be too forced in their excecution and a sense perhaps of parody, especially the showgirls companion who, for me atleast, grated at times. Morricone's music was sterling stuff, no where near his best but still interesting.
       And I think it's those words that best sum up this film. It was no where near the best non-Leone spaghetti western I have seen but it was still enjoyable.

Leone Admirer

 


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Post by: Leone Admirer on April 21, 2006, 05:14:39 PM
21.04.06

Bandidos

I love this gem of a spaghetti. I am going to be completely honest with all you fine guys and gals, I am completely biased. I thought that this was the best non-Leone spaghetti I have seen in 2006 so far, even beating The Grand Duel. In fact the magic of this film didn't just work on me, people walking into the drawing room began to sit down and watch it with me.
       A famous sharpshooter and showman Richard Martin, Enrico Maria Salerno, is disabled in the hands during a train hold up by ex friend Billy Kane, Venantino Venantini. Finding himself unable to carry out his love of shooting he becomes a manager and comes across Ricky Shot, Terry Jenkins, a man he can groom to be a showman like he was and to become a tool for Kanes destruction but Ricky has a dark past of his own.
       Spaghetti westerns have often explored the theme of teacher and pupil. If it's made a little different each time it can be even more sucesful and this is part where Bandidos excels. Salerno is a likeable man and his degradation from smartly dressed gunman to scruffily dressed showman is believable. The buring rage of ending Kanes life is believable and is also helped by the scary and yet at times oddly likable character that Venantini portrays.
    The shooting of the hands of Richard is quite painful and a little sadistic but launches the audience into the story, we understand that this was actually Kanes most painful punishment robbing Martin of his talent which is his whole reason for being. The idea of the untrustworthy mexican, though seen many times in spaghetti's, played here by Cris Huerta gives off enough comedic relief without being too silly. The character of Ricky Shot who has his own vendetta through out the film is excellent too and though audiences may see his story arc pay off coming its entertaining enough and causes enough dilema to question where his loyalties lie.
   The relationship between Martin and Shot is very similar to that of Van Cleefs and John Phillip Law's in Death Rides A Horse. Their friendly bantering and showing off to each other does have a father and son quality to it.
   All the acting in the film is superb, the protagonists, lead by Terry Jenkins and Enrico Maria Salerno are briliant characters and ranks up with some of the best spaghetti pairings. As already noted, Venantino Venantini's representation of Billy Kane is creepy yet at times scarily likable and comic relief is perfomed aibly by Cris Huerta.
       Direction by Massimo Dallamano is stellar with his use of some very interesting shot composisitions and excellent use of POV. Music by Egisto Macchi is excellent and has stayed with me for a long time after I watched the film.
       Above all I can't recomend this film enough to spaghetti fans who haven't yet experienced this classic.

Leone Admirer


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on April 22, 2006, 02:46:37 AM
Sorry haven't ignored these reviews but i'm about to be kicked off by Mrs Banjo!! :(


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on April 22, 2006, 04:40:33 AM
It was no where near the best non-Leone spaghetti western I have seen but it was still enjoyable.
Spot on review,its nowhere near as good as say Django but it would be interesting at some point to see if a decent widescreen print of this would alter my own opinion!


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Post by: Banjo on April 22, 2006, 04:51:19 AM
21.04.06

Bandidos
       Above all I can't recomend this film enough to spaghetti fans who haven't yet experienced this classic.

Leone Admirer
Well i'm estatic that someone else loves this top sw as much as i do :D
I particularly like the saloon scene where Billy Kanes near to death victim and ex-partner spots a painting on the wall which tells the story of a dying Roman tyrant who murders a number of women because he doesn't want to die alone-which puts an idea in the soon to be deceased cowboys head ;)
Another splendid review-i've been missing them! :)


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 22, 2006, 04:55:04 AM
Thanks  ;D. There were so many moments like that in the film that really elevated it. An excellent, undiscovered gem.


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Post by: Banjo on April 22, 2006, 05:20:36 AM
Thanks  ;D. There were so many moments like that in the film that really elevated it. An excellent, undiscovered gem.
Hopefully you'll feel the same about one or two others in your backlog to watch :)


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Firecracker on April 22, 2006, 11:39:05 AM
Well i'm estatic that someone else loves this top sw as much as i do :D
I particularly like the saloon scene where Billy Kanes near to death victim and ex-partner spots a painting on the wall which tells the story of a dying Roman tyrant who murders a number of women because he doesn't want to die alone-which puts an idea in the soon to be deceased cowboys head ;)
Another splendid review-i've been missing them! :)


yeah Bandidos was a good sw. Not top ten material though. The scene you described Banjo really put a sinister touch to the film. and the opening train robbing sequnce is excellent.

I must admit I got really confused after the opening sequence because I didnt recognize Martin with his beard. But after twenty minutes and seeing his hands I figured it must be him :-\

The final fight between "Ricky shot" and Kane was a bit of a let down. I hate it when the "settling of accounts" at the end is reduced to hiding behind barrels and walls. It ruins the whole operatic tone of the genre. I prefer my showdowns head on!


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 22, 2006, 11:42:56 AM
I must admit I was thinking the film would be like Requiscant an interesting spaghetti but that would be forgotten after a while. How wrong I was  ;D


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Firecracker on April 22, 2006, 11:43:49 AM
I must admit I was thinking the film would be like Requiscant an interesting spaghetti but that would be forgotten after a while. How wrong I was  ;D

havent seen "kill and pray" yet.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 06:33:06 AM

yeah Bandidos was a good sw. Not top ten material though.
Not very far off though! :)


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 06:34:50 AM
I must admit I was thinking the film would be like Requiscant an interesting spaghetti but that would be forgotten after a while. How wrong I was  ;D
You mean you haven't been back for seconds ::).I liked Mark Damons character alot better than in Johnny Yuma although Yuma is the better sw!


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Firecracker on April 23, 2006, 10:28:19 AM
Johnny Yuma although Yuma is the better sw!

though I havent seen "Kill and Pray" the above statement is rather hard to believe...


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 10:31:00 AM
though I havent seen "Kill and Pray" the above statement is rather hard to believe...
Requiescant(Castel) himself was a pretty dull "hero" but its still a very good sw!


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Firecracker on April 23, 2006, 10:32:22 AM
Requiescant(Castel) himself was a pretty dull "hero" but its still a very good sw!


I really want to see "Matalo!" where Castel flings boomerangs around to kill people.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 10:33:54 AM
I'm so puzzled why Castel was so much in demand!


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Firecracker on April 23, 2006, 10:39:04 AM
I'm so puzzled why Castel was so much in demand!

This has baffled me as well. He is probably the most mis-placed sw stars.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 10:42:42 AM
William Berger overdubs him on Bullet For The General did you know?


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Firecracker on April 23, 2006, 10:44:38 AM
William Berger overdubs him on Bullet For The General did you know?

your kidding?

that sounds nothing like Berger. where did you hear this?


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 10:47:09 AM
My bible-Hughes sw book!


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Firecracker on April 23, 2006, 10:49:12 AM
My bible-Hughes sw book!

careful, some of the sw books are really inaccurate.

I told you I have the weisser book and what he says about "Bullet for general"...

quote from weisser...
"Chuncho kills Tate while singing the mexican national anthem"

quote from me...
did weisser even see the film?


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 10:52:58 AM
careful, some of the sw books are really inaccurate.

I told you I have the weisser book and what he says about "Bullet for general"...

quote from weisser...
"Chuncho kills Tate while singing the mexican national anthem"

quote from me...
did weisser even see the film?
I can check my facts about Bergers overdubs but i've no reason to doubt Hughes for any inaccuracies so far.Even he acknowledges in his pocket guide that Weissers book should be treated with caution!


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Sundance on April 23, 2006, 11:02:23 AM
Well there are two different english dubs for 'Bullet for the general' and the Anchor Bay disc atleast uses the international dub which is longer (so they couldn't use the US dub on the disc) but is said to be much more worse than the US dub.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 11:08:07 AM
I'm sure Cigar Joe mentioned a version with Volonte doing his own dubs!


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: cigar joe on April 23, 2006, 12:40:16 PM
no I ment that Volonte is dubbed by the same guy that is used in FAFDM & AFOD


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Firecracker on April 23, 2006, 03:38:35 PM
21.04.06

Bandidos

I love this gem of a spaghetti. I am going to be completely honest with all you fine guys and gals, I am completely biased. I thought that this was the best non-Leone spaghetti I have seen in 2006 so far, even beating The Grand Duel. In fact the magic of this film didn't just work on me, people walking into the drawing room began to sit down and watch it with me.
       A famous sharpshooter and showman Richard Martin, Enrico Maria Salerno, is disabled in the hands during a train hold up by ex friend Billy Kane, Venantino Venantini. Finding himself unable to carry out his love of shooting he becomes a manager and comes across Ricky Shot, Terry Jenkins, a man he can groom to be a showman like he was and to become a tool for Kanes destruction but Ricky has a dark past of his own.
       Spaghetti westerns have often explored the theme of teacher and pupil. If it's made a little different each time it can be even more sucesful and this is part where Bandidos excels. Salerno is a likeable man and his degradation from smartly dressed gunman to scruffily dressed showman is believable. The buring rage of ending Kanes life is believable and is also helped by the scary and yet at times oddly likable character that Venantini portrays.
    The shooting of the hands of Richard is quite painful and a little sadistic but launches the audience into the story, we understand that this was actually Kanes most painful punishment robbing Martin of his talent which is his whole reason for being. The idea of the untrustworthy mexican, though seen many times in spaghetti's, played here by Cris Huerta gives off enough comedic relief without being too silly. The character of Ricky Shot who has his own vendetta through out the film is excellent too and though audiences may see his story arc pay off coming its entertaining enough and causes enough dilema to question where his loyalties lie.
   The relationship between Martin and Shot is very similar to that of Van Cleefs and John Phillip Law's in Death Rides A Horse. Their friendly bantering and showing off to each other does have a father and son quality to it.
   All the acting in the film is superb, the protagonists, lead by Terry Jenkins and Enrico Maria Salerno are briliant characters and ranks up with some of the best spaghetti pairings. As already noted, Venantino Venantini's representation of Billy Kane is creepy yet at times scarily likable and comic relief is perfomed aibly by Cris Huerta.
       Direction by Massimo Dallamano is stellar with his use of some very interesting shot composisitions and excellent use of POV. Music by Egisto Macchi is excellent and has stayed with me for a long time after I watched the film.
       Above all I can't recomend this film enough to spaghetti fans who haven't yet experienced this classic.

Leone Admirer


Funny you compared this story to "Death rides a horse", the actor who plays Ricky Shot looks a bit like John Phillip Law dont you think?


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: franksgrandson on April 23, 2006, 05:30:44 PM
Leone Admirer
Know just how you feel, the wife and I travel to the states 3 times a year it is what we reguard as our real home a place we are happy in.
I love nothing better than finding little known towns in California, Nevada, Arizona and Utah the feel and look of the place blows your mind and there always seems to be great charecters to stop and have a chat with.
So yes I am another Brit who sticks two fingers up at the Uk and think myself as more American


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 23, 2006, 05:31:50 PM
Yay  ;D I'm glad I'm not the only one.


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Post by: Leone Admirer on April 23, 2006, 05:38:23 PM
He does I must admit. Also found a DRAH original poster for $9.99, tempted? Me?  ;D (But not as good as the $175 Shane poster  :o, boy I would love to get my hands on that)


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Post by: Leone Admirer on April 30, 2006, 05:38:26 PM
04.30.06

Face To Face

I Very much enjoyed this spaghetti western which had excellent direction by Sollima coupled with fantastic performances by Milian and Volante.
     Volante plays Professor Brad Fletcher, a meek teacher from Boston who moves to the West for his health. Whilst there he helps and then becomes a captive of Solomon 'Beauregard' Bennet (Milian), a bandit who is out to recreate the Bennet Bandits gang. Milian and Fletcher begin to respect each other and become friends. Soon Fletcher is seduced by the benefits of a life of crime.
      The excellent portayal of Fletcher by Volante makes his degradation from shy and non-violent teacher to a cold, ruthless and bloodthirsty vilain all the more believeable. The idea that power and money corrupts has been explored in many different forms in many forms, not least cinema and its an interesting tale to be told. Gangster films often have this theme with films like Public Enemy in which the off the rails child becomes more bloody thirsty and calculated the more power he gets. But Volante's Fletcher is quite different to the iconic gangster of Cagney's Tom Powers. At first Fletcher does not give any indications that he is going to be corrupted. Then through out the film, Fletcher begins to interact with powerful people and objects (for instance guns in which he is shown to have an immediate mastery of them) which show signs of a stronger and nastier characer lurking underneath the nervous teacher. A rape is the real turning stone in the characters change to hardened gang leader and whislt the rape is not shown in graphic detail, well at least not in the print I saw, audience sympathy for the character goes out of the window. An interesting point to look at though is Fletcher begins to question how he had wasted his life and one wanders whether it was better to live a little bit as a man of action or live a life time as a nervous, socially awkard teacher. Of course Fletcher can't handle the power but he doesn't seem to regret any of it at the end of the film, rather like a Jarot Cody.
    Milians portrayal of Bennet is rather like the character Curchilo which he plays in the Big Gundown and Run Man Run. He is a rather likable feller from the begining and his interactions with the knowledgable Fletcher does rub off on him and he feels reluctant to drag his friend into anything unsavoury.  The friendship between the two is apparent from when the two first meet with each saving each others life, and its quite touching throughout the affection they seem to hold for each other.
      Sollima's direction is excellent. As ever he seems to be able to create intresting frames and canvases as we see out protagonists and antagonists travel through out the deserts and rocky plains that in this film represents Texas. His pacing is tight and at times the film seems to rocket along between actions sequences but the writing by Donati and Sollima allows for some intesting character exchanges which allows us to emphasise and sympathise with the leads. Music by Morricone was intersting and whilst not one of his catchiest of tunes was more then fitting for the tone and look of the film.
    My experiences with Sollima westerns at the moment seem to be very positive. I have a feeling most spaghetti fans might have experienced this film already but to those who haven't I definatly recomend it for its excellent directions, fascinating characters and stirling acting.

Leone Admirer


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: boardwalk_angel on April 30, 2006, 06:14:52 PM
04.30.06

Face To Face

Nice write-up...LA.
"Face To Face"...really blew me away...got an audible "Wow" as it faded to black.
Volonte's performance was a revelation (I've since seen him as Carlo Levi in "Christ Stopped at Eboli"...which I highly recommend). A fine actor w/ great range.
Thought Milian was good in a miscast role.....but who else for the role? Tough one...Garko without the mustache..maybe.
One of the few Non-Leone SW (The Mercenary's in the same category) that could stand up on its own as just a fine Western...period.



Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 30, 2006, 06:17:06 PM
Thanks Boardwalk I agree with you whole heartedly.


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Post by: cigar joe on April 30, 2006, 07:37:51 PM
Thanks for your time & effort.  8)


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Post by: The Firecracker on April 30, 2006, 09:36:24 PM
04.30.06

Face To Face


    My experiences with Sollima westerns at the moment seem to be very positive.

Leone Admirer


I hate to break it to ya Leone admirer but you have seen them all.

Good review. It is an excellent movie but it is very flawed. You can see my review in the "Face To Face" thread.


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Post by: The Peacemaker on April 30, 2006, 09:39:11 PM
The only Sollima western I saw was Run Man Run, and that was a great movie! There's something about Tomas Milian's Cuchillo makes me laugh.


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Post by: The Firecracker on April 30, 2006, 09:40:18 PM
The only Sollima western I saw was Run Man Run, and that was a great movie! There's something about Tomas Milian's Cuchillo makes me laugh.

"Face to Face" is far better. In fact I would venture to say it is Sollima's best western.


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Post by: Banjo on May 01, 2006, 06:05:37 AM
04.30.06

Face To Face

    Milians portrayal of Bennet is rather like the character Curchilo which he plays in the Big Gundown and Run Man Run. He is a rather likable feller from the begining and his interactions with the knowledgable Fletcher does rub off on him and he feels reluctant to drag his friend into anything unsavoury. 
Leone Admirer
Great review Leone Admirer-i agree with all of it apart Milian-i don't really see too much similarity with the more jovial Cuchillo and Bennet isn't all that likeable,quite savage to start with in fact,but he becomes more likeable as the film progresses.
Looking forward to more reviews!! ;)


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Post by: Leone Admirer on May 01, 2006, 08:12:45 AM
I think perhaps Curchillo is similar to Bennet later on in the movie but I agree that it is not an exact similarity.


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Post by: cigar joe on May 02, 2006, 05:57:03 AM
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The only Sollima western I saw was Run Man Run, and that was a great movie! There's something about Tomas Milian's Cuchillo makes me laugh.


Tomas Milian at his best, FTF tried too hard, could have pared dowm some of the side stories thast clutter it up  and it would have been a far better film.


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Post by: The Firecracker on May 02, 2006, 11:01:50 AM


 FTF tried too hard, could have pared dowm some of the side stories thast clutter it up 

Sollima should have concentrated on the relationship between Bennet and Fletcher more often. Also he should have taken more time to see the change in the two characters as well. I am  not fully convinced that Fletcher would rape a woman in the point of the film he does. It just  doesnt work well at the moment, more time should have been taken to flesh out these two characters more.


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Post by: boardwalk_angel on May 02, 2006, 08:01:46 PM
Requiescant(Castel) himself was a pretty dull "hero" but its still a very good sw!..................
I liked Mark Damons character alot better than in Johnny Yuma although Yuma is the better sw!

It is a good one...Riz Ortolani's score is very nice...I think Castel's rather 'dazed" style of acting fit pretty well here.
As far as "Johnny Yuma" goes..it's tough to compare Damon's role in this to his role in that one...so totally different characters...."Requiesscant" has a much better script...better ideas...better dialogue & better action.


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Post by: Banjo on May 03, 2006, 06:33:13 AM
Damon makes a better bad guy-in Requiescant he looked like one of the Living Dead :o


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Post by: cigar joe on May 03, 2006, 06:40:24 AM
Damon to me anyway, looks like he's  a bit light in the loafers.


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Post by: Marco Leone on May 05, 2006, 04:02:00 PM
I was well impressed with Requiesscant.  The characters were excellent, and Damon made a great villain.


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Post by: Banjo on May 06, 2006, 06:38:36 PM
The drinking and shooting the chandeliers contest is just wonderful :)


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Post by: cigar joe on May 06, 2006, 07:48:59 PM
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The drinking and shooting the chandeliers contest is just wonderful

 :P


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Post by: Marco Leone on May 07, 2006, 05:35:39 AM
At last!  I'm able to upload to my Euro Western site again.  First up, I've added these reviews first, so please feel free to pop there, reread Leone Admirers great reviews, and vote on the films!

Return of Ringo - http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/spaghettiwesterns/reviews/angrygun.html

Bandidos - http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/spaghettiwesterns/reviews/bandidos.html

Navajo Joe - http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/spaghettiwesterns/reviews/navajojoe.html

Face to Face - http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/spaghettiwesterns/reviews/facetoface.html


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on May 07, 2006, 05:58:53 AM
Marco when are we gonna gonna see any of your top reviews?-i aching to see what you make of What Am I Doing In The Middle Of A Revolution,bro ::)


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Post by: Leone Admirer on May 07, 2006, 06:47:48 AM
Thanks Marco!  ;D Go and vote folks!


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Post by: Banjo on May 07, 2006, 06:58:22 AM
Definately will-its a great little site!


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Post by: Marco Leone on May 07, 2006, 09:13:07 AM
Marco when are we gonna gonna see any of your top reviews?-i aching to see what you make of What Am I Doing In The Middle Of A Revolution,bro ::)

Well, I watched A Man Called Sledge the other day, and I plan to write a review over the next few days!  I promise, if not you can all take me out to the desert and shoot me  :D


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Post by: Banjo on May 08, 2006, 03:30:24 AM
Sledge is an excellent sw,the jailbreak/heist is very well handled and i enjoyed the lunatics in there!


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Post by: Leone Admirer on May 10, 2006, 06:08:00 PM
Just to add 4 films to the review list

Blindman
The Forgotten Pistolero
And For The Sky A Roof Full Of Stars
No Room To Die

My review of Hellbenders should be here sometime this weekend.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on May 10, 2006, 06:12:28 PM
Are you saving Cemetery Without Crosses till last?I think everybody could be running for cover in the aftermath of that review ;D


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Post by: The Firecracker on May 10, 2006, 06:13:43 PM
Are you saving Cemetery Without Crosses till last?I think everybody could be running for cover in the aftermath of that review ;D

why is that?


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Post by: Banjo on May 10, 2006, 06:15:39 PM
It could break a beautiful friendship! ;)


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Post by: The Firecracker on May 10, 2006, 06:17:11 PM
It could break a beautiful friendship! ;)

 ;D

(he is gonna love it!)


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Post by: Leone Admirer on May 10, 2006, 06:26:43 PM
Cemetry without Crosses review is 5 reviews away on my review list  :)


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Post by: Banjo on May 10, 2006, 06:29:23 PM
;D

(he is gonna love it!)
Dunno he might get so depressed by it that he'll turn to the previously loathed but very light-hearted Sabata!


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Post by: Leone Admirer on May 10, 2006, 06:33:54 PM
oh no, that won't happen. I'd rather watch Love Actually 'shudders'


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Post by: The Firecracker on May 10, 2006, 06:44:50 PM
I'd rather watch Love Actually

you know you dont mean that!


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Post by: Leone Admirer on May 10, 2006, 06:57:17 PM
no your right, nothing could make me watch Love Actually again.


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Post by: The Firecracker on May 10, 2006, 09:24:28 PM
no your right, nothing could make me watch Love Actually again.

 ;)


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Post by: Banjo on May 11, 2006, 06:27:11 AM
oh no, that won't happen. I'd rather watch Love Actually 'shudders'
I'd never watch anything starring that falsely "shy"(yeah right ;D) Hugh Grant - i can't think of nothing worse than a romantic British comedy.
Gimme Sabata anyday ;)


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Post by: The Firecracker on May 21, 2006, 12:18:49 PM
i can't think of nothing worse than a romantic British comedy.


how about an American Romantic comedy?

"Just Like Heaven" has got to be one of the worst movies I have ever seen. Unfunny, Childish and very short on logic.


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Post by: Leone Admirer on May 21, 2006, 12:26:03 PM
Apologies for the delays but expect some more reviews very soon

05.21.06

The Mercenary

Corbucci gives us another Zapata Western if different to that of his earliers films. The humour that is prevalent in films like Companeros seems to be toned down quite a bit in The Mercenary but it still is prevalent, be it in small doses.
    The film is told in flash back by Kowalski, also known as the Pollack (Franco Nero). Kowalski is a mercenary for hire. He comes across Paco Roman (Tony Musante) who has taken over the mine that the Pollack has come to protect. At first there is mistrust between the two but when the mine is bombarded by Mexican soldiers, Paco agrees to pay Kowalski to become a member of his revolutionary tream. Meanwhile they are both hunted by Curly (Jack Palance) who wants revenge after the pair declothed him.
     The thing that first hits you in this film is how unlikeable Nero's character is. He is completely self serving, he humiliates and extorts the gang who is paying him and hardly ever seems to show any emotion. This is certainly the coldest character I have seen played by Nero but still there is something likable about him. His irreverant striking of the match on any bodypart he can find is rather funny. You also get the feeling that he just thinks that Paco is a simple bandit who doesn't really care about the revolution. At first that seems to be true as Paco seems talk about revolution as a throw away line.
       Paco is a lot like the character that Milian plays in Companeros except that Paco seems to admire Kowalski and most of the derogatory comments come from the Pollack rather then from both sides. I feel he is certainly different to Cuchillo in Sollima's Run Man Run as Milians character in that film is dragged into the revolution whilst Paco naively instigates it.
      Jack Palance's character is rather like a template for his role in the later Corbucci Zapata Companeros.
     All three actors in the film are brilliant with each endowing their character's with their own trates and personalities. Again Nero plays perhaps a prototype for the later Companeros but with less warmth. Musante is also excellent as Paco and seems like a more likably person then Milians character in Companeros. Palance is well, Palance. Brilliant as the creepy heavy.
    Corbucci's direction is mostly of a high quality. The film looks more like that of Leone's then Corbucci's usual fair. His sweeping vistas and use of close ups whilst reminiscant of the Leone style suit the purpose for this film. My only complaint maybe some of the editing which allowed for a jerky movement that at some points of the begining were a tiny bit disorientating. As noted before cinematography is top notch. The score by Morricone suited the film perfectly. The 'whistling' theme for Kowalski is again rather like that found in Companeros and must have laid a basis for Morricones and Corbucci's collaboartion for that later feature.
      Above all I recomend this film to fans of Corbucci spaghettis and Eurowesterns alike. Corbucci is known for being an director of mixed works but this is certainly one of his best and must be checked out.

Leone Admirer

Next Film: Cemetary Without Crosses


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on May 21, 2006, 12:26:44 PM
how about an American Romantic comedy?

"Just Like Heaven" has got to be one of the worst movies I have ever seen. Unfunny, Childish and very short on logic.

I remember one which had Sarah Michelle Gellar in it and a magical crab.  ???


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Post by: The Firecracker on May 21, 2006, 01:49:40 PM


Next Film: Cemetary Without Crosses

and I cannot wait for it!


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Post by: The Firecracker on May 21, 2006, 01:50:25 PM
I remember one which had Sarah Michelle Gellar in it and a magical crab.  ???


the what now!?


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on May 21, 2006, 02:50:59 PM
If I remember correctly she was a witch chef who had a magic crab that made her fly.


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Post by: cigar joe on May 21, 2006, 02:51:43 PM
nice review LA


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Post by: Leone Admirer on May 21, 2006, 02:53:00 PM
Thanks  :), I read your one also at Marco Leone's site and thought that was very good.


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Post by: mezcal on May 21, 2006, 04:05:28 PM
I'd never watch anything starring that falsely "shy"(yeah right ;D) Hugh Grant - i can't think of nothing worse than a romantic British comedy.
Gimme Sabata anyday ;)
Banjo, please go to your local 'video shop' and rent  "about a boy". mr grant obviously made an attempt not to be pidgeon hold....recommended.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Marco Leone on May 21, 2006, 04:13:32 PM
Another great review!  I've added it to the site.  I've started adding music to the reviews, now I have some of the soundtrack to this somewhere, but do you think I can lay my hands on it......  ::)


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Post by: Leone Admirer on May 21, 2006, 04:34:44 PM
Thanks Marco  ;D Sorry it took so long to be written.


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Post by: Marco Leone on May 22, 2006, 07:05:51 AM
 Well they are always worth the wait - i'll look forward to the Cemetery without Crosses one.  ;)


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Post by: Banjo on May 22, 2006, 10:03:08 AM
Thanks for the review again Leone Admirer-am i right in thinking you prefer Companeros to The Mercenary?I definately like the earlier film better.
BTW Sergei the Polak maybe not very likeable for his cynical attitude towards money,life and other people-but isn't this is all part of the sw "anti-hero" thing where coolness is all and i love Nero in that role.
Perhaps an even more despicable character( on paper) is Juan in DYS-a murderer,rapist and thief-but you cannot but love Steiger in the endearing way he plays this role.
I'm looking forward to your verdict on CWC too! ::)


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Post by: Leone Admirer on May 22, 2006, 01:30:19 PM
I think in some ways for me Companeros was a bit more styalised, and perhaps a little more entertaining but its a close game.


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Post by: Banjo on May 22, 2006, 04:22:33 PM
I think in some ways for me Companeros was a bit more styalised, and perhaps a little more entertaining but its a close game.
The pace does drop off somewhat in Companeros once Penguin and Vasco rescue Xantos-and it starts geting bogged down with political waffle-i think it may be a little overlong.I think Palances Curly character is preferable to John in Companeros.Whereas Curly comes over as slightly camp but very deadly-John is much too addled by too much pot smoking to be as intimidating.Also in Companeros there isn't anything visually or musically to match the briliance of the bullring arena scene(sort of a gbu parody?) where Paco and Curly settle scores-the machine gun climax in Companeros is just a rehash of the earlier Django.


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Post by: Leone Admirer on May 22, 2006, 05:04:09 PM
I must admit, in The Mercenary during the bull fighting duel the flower squirting blood was a neat and darkly humerous touch.


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Post by: Banjo on May 22, 2006, 05:08:50 PM
Banjo, please go to your local 'video shop' and rent  "about a boy". mr grant obviously made an attempt not to be pidgeon hold....recommended.
That film feature regularly in TV listings-i really don't like Hugh Grant who i find quite false but i'll take your word for it that he put in a half decent performance in that film.


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Post by: The Firecracker on May 25, 2006, 07:24:00 PM
I think in some ways for me Companeros was a bit more styalised, and perhaps a little more entertaining but its a close game.


I enjoy Mercenary much more then I do Companeros which does tend to get far too overlong once professor Xantos is brought back to his revolutionary students.
The Mercenary never slows down I think and keeps at a steady pace throughout the film. However my main complaint is the extra 15 minutes after the Bull fight arena duel. Frankly I think Corbucci could have ended it 5 minutes after the duel between Curly and Paco had ended.

However I think "Companeros" is a more accomplished film tech wise. The big production values tend to help alot.


EDIT: also fogot to mention that Companero's soundtrack is far better than The Mercenary's. The Mercenary has a fabulous title theme(one of the best) but not much else stands out. Companeros soundtrack is wonderfully playful and very good throughout.


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Post by: Banjo on May 27, 2006, 06:19:34 AM


However I think "Companeros" is a more accomplished film tech wise. The big production values tend to help alot.
I dunno, the  set pieces in the Mercenary look as impressive if not more than Companeros.Certainly some of the photography-the sunset scenes especially-are absolutely stunning and as beautiful as anything in Corbucci's Great Silence.
I love the 2 main themes in Companeros too-but apart from some minor filler this is all that movie contains-and theres nothing there to quite match the gargantuan piece of music in the bullring showdown.
I do agree that  anything after that scene would be an anti-climax and perhaps that shudda been the ending itself!


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Post by: The Firecracker on May 27, 2006, 06:08:04 PM
Mercenary(to me) only has two errors, the anti-climax and the first 10 minutes. The first ten minutes of Companeros(which contain the introduction too the two main characters) is far better then Mercenary's opening which is a bit dis-jointed and is so cluttered you are not sure what is going on.  Companeros always lets you know what is going down. Mercenary kinda rambles on and on(go to a town and liberate it, then the next scene do it again). Companeros has a much more epic scale and a tighter ending(but not a great ending). However Mercenary's bullring scene is excellent and SHOULD have been the true climax.

Mercenary's title theme is the only thing the soundtrack has got going for it. All the festive mexican music is just filler.


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Post by: Leone Admirer on June 05, 2006, 10:31:48 AM
05.06.06

Cemetary Without Crosses

A film set in a nightmareish West, from the styalised opening to the desperate ending, Cemetary Without Crosses presents a different West, perhaps akin to that of Kurosawa's Yojimbo, like Fistful Of Dollars but with a more flawed bounty hunter protagonist.
  The film begins with Maria, Michèle Mercier, witnesing the death of her husband Ben at the hands of the Rogers family. She goes off in search of Manuel, Robert Hossein, to avenge her but he has troubles for himself and is unwilling. After some self persuasion he goes off and joins the Roger's gang and captures their daughter to hold for ransom. But all does not go to plan...
    One of the most interesting aspects of this speaghetti is the characters. Both Maria's family and the Roger's family are not on the right side of the law. Maria's complex releationship with Manuel is interesting also. He is an ex-lover of hers and friends with Ben but you don't really know whether he is undertaking his 'mission' for revenge on the part of Ben or Maria. He won't take the money given to him by Maria however. Light comic relief is given by the two brothers of Maria who are the most inept pair of cowboys that side of the West. However the ineffectiveness brings down the whole operation later on in the story. 
   The acting on the whole is of a very high standard with the beautiful and pained face of Mercier bringing across the troubled Maria very well. Hossein's performance as the avenging Manuel. Seemingly trapped in the past. A nice character trait I thought was having the character put on a glove before he was about to shoot someone. Now I am positive I have seen this somewhere else but I thought here it was a nice touch.
     Cemetary Without Crosses gives off many artistic flares through out it's running time. Hossein directs as well as stars in this film and his use of a Sepia tone in the begining and end of the film, literally bringing the film and it's viewers back into the past whilst giving a nod to the earlier Hollywood westerns of the silent era as well as the 30's and 40's is a particulaly neat effect. Also Manuel's experience in his new home, the abandoned 'Ghost Town' adds a creepy and surrelist feel to the film.  The cinematography for this film captures expertly the very dusty landscape whilst the music re-inforces the despair like atmosphere whilst offering a glimering of hope at certain sections.
    This film is also of great importance to Leone fans.The film is full of Leone esque sequences and referances, However it is not true that Leone plays the head of the hotel that Manuel goes to visit.
     I recomend this film to all spaghetti fans, especially Leone fans and Corbucci fans. Why Corbucci, well if your a fan of the brilliant The Great Silence you'll recognise and love the tone, mood, setting etc of Cemetary Without Crosses as they are expertly similar. I urge those who haven't yet seen it to check it out.

Leone Admirer
     


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Post by: The Firecracker on June 05, 2006, 10:39:54 AM
05.06.06
 and Leone plays the head of the hotel that Manuel goes to visit. Whislt this isn't a major part in the film, this nice cameo is more then welcomed.

     

ah Weisser strikes again!

Leone Admirer that information is false. you must have read it from some web site that it was Leone as the hotel clerk. This is certainly not true. The man(though large) looks nothing like Leone on closer examination.

Great review though! The only flaw I see with it is Manuel's flashbacks never seem to amount to anything. It is evident from his flashbacks that the ghost town he hangs out in was once booming with life. Something must have happened. We never find out what though.


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Post by: Leone Admirer on June 05, 2006, 10:45:08 AM
Oh ok, thanks for the heads up, I got it from Sir Christopher's Biography.


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Post by: The Firecracker on June 05, 2006, 10:47:02 AM
Oh ok, thanks for the heads up, I got it from Sir Christopher's Biography.

yeah that is incorrect. Frayling must have got this misunderstanding from Weisser or maybe even vice versa. Not sure where this was picked up though. You must admit he doesnt look anything like Leone apart from the obvious love of food.


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Post by: Leone Admirer on June 05, 2006, 10:49:28 AM
When I saw it I thought it didn't look like him but I remembered the quote in Frayling's book. (It's on Page 268.) I've omitted the offending line from my review  :)


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Firecracker on June 05, 2006, 10:52:11 AM
do you see Manuel's flashbacks leading to nothing as a flaw? Or do you welcome it?


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on June 05, 2006, 10:58:24 AM
I just presumed that he owned the saloon or was a major part of the town. What would have been interesting if the ghosts of the town actually came back to help Manuel  ;D


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Firecracker on June 05, 2006, 10:59:56 AM
What would have been interesting if the ghosts of the town actually came back to help Manuel  ;D

 ;D
It would have been interesting to have some Keoma type flashbacks(where the past blends with the present) now that I think about it.


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Post by: The Firecracker on June 05, 2006, 11:02:50 AM
The title theme is rousing as well!
The musical credit goes to Andre Hossein which is either Robert's Father or Brother( I have seen Andre credited as either person. Somebody must be wrong).


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on June 05, 2006, 11:25:27 AM
Sir Christopher list's him as his father.  :)


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Firecracker on June 05, 2006, 11:27:56 AM
Sir Christopher list's him as his father.  :)

I have heard father and Brother.

and sometimes second cousin twice removed ;D


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Firecracker on June 05, 2006, 11:48:00 AM
Leone Admirer:
what is up next on the menu anyway? "Blindman" or "Sartana" I hope :D.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on June 05, 2006, 11:52:02 AM
Leone Admirer your Cemetery Without Crosses review is a very fair and well written and i'm glad you recognise the similarities with Great Silence too!
Its nowhere near one of my favourites but i'm glad to have it in my collection-apart from what they did to that  poor bunny rabbit :'(


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on June 05, 2006, 11:53:15 AM
Oh yes, forgot about the rabbit.  :-[ . Next on the list is.... Forgotten Pistolero followed by... Blindman!


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Firecracker on June 05, 2006, 11:54:54 AM
Oh yes, forgot about the rabbit.  :-[ . Next on the list is.... Forgotten Pistolero
>:(


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on June 05, 2006, 11:57:07 AM
Only because I watched it on holiday, of course I could just review Blindman before hand.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Firecracker on June 05, 2006, 12:03:05 PM
Only because I watched it on holiday, of course I could just review Blindman before hand.
no no. You do as you wish. Dont want to force anybody to do anything.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Blindman on June 05, 2006, 03:21:04 PM
Frayling must have got this misunderstanding from Weisser or maybe even vice versa. Not sure where this was picked up though. You must admit he doesnt look anything like Leone apart from the obvious love of food.

The Hotel clerk is actually played by Cris Huerta.

(http://website.lineone.net/~braithwaitej/mainsite/overview/actors/huerta.jpg)



Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on June 05, 2006, 03:31:00 PM
Thanks for clearing that up Blindman  :)


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Blindman on June 05, 2006, 04:46:03 PM
Thanks for clearing that up Blindman  :)

Your review was excellent btw.

All together now ... "In the Land where the Rope and The Colt are Kiiiiiiiiiinnnnnngggg !!!!"  ;D


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Firecracker on June 05, 2006, 05:04:14 PM
Your review was excellent btw.

All together now ... "In the Land where the Rope and The Colt are Kiiiiiiiiiinnnnnngggg !!!!"  ;D

"but oh my darling if I should diiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeee!"

take it away!


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on June 05, 2006, 06:21:56 PM
Oh yes, forgot about the rabbit.  :-[ .
I'm scared to show this movie to Mrs Banjo because of this-but she hates depressing movies anyway!


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Firecracker on June 05, 2006, 06:24:29 PM
I'm scared to show this movie to Mrs Banjo because of this-but she hates depressing movies anyway!

oh she hasnt seen it?


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on June 05, 2006, 06:25:57 PM
The Hotel clerk is actually played by Cris Huerta.

(http://website.lineone.net/~braithwaitej/mainsite/overview/actors/huerta.jpg)


Yeah i recognise him as the double crossing Mexican leader in Bandidos. ::)


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on June 05, 2006, 06:27:36 PM
oh she hasnt seen it?
Not likely too either-she doesn't like Great Silence-can't handle the ending i guess :(


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: cigar joe on June 05, 2006, 09:17:03 PM
nice review LA


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on June 06, 2006, 05:27:25 AM
Thanks everyone for the positive feedback  :)


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on June 06, 2006, 06:05:24 AM
Thanks everyone for the positive feedback  :)
I'm looking forward to your verdict on Forgotten Pistolero ::)  and also Blindman.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Firecracker on June 06, 2006, 12:20:12 PM
I'm looking forward to your verdict on Forgotten Pistolero ::)  and also Blindman.

let us not forget Sartana and its lackluster but fun sequel(Angel of death).


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on June 06, 2006, 04:55:16 PM
let us not forget Sartana and its lackluster but fun sequel(Angel of death).
We're gonna have to get a decent print of the first Sartana to Leone Admirer so that it gets a fair trial.
I remember what was said about Sabata :'(


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Firecracker on June 06, 2006, 06:52:06 PM

I remember what was said about Sabata :'(

At closer examination the two films are very different. Sabata is played as a fun romp while Sartana is more of mean spirited horror movie.

Perhaps leone Admirer will like it. However that plot will go straight over his head on first viewing(as it does everybody else).


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on June 07, 2006, 05:06:31 AM
At closer examination the two films are very different. Sabata is played as a fun romp while Sartana is more of mean spirited horror movie.

Perhaps leone Admirer will like it. However that plot will go straight over his head on first viewing(as it does everybody else).
Like the rest of us,he should be made to watch Sartana over and over until he loves and understands it! ;D


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on June 07, 2006, 04:35:50 PM
As the names are similar I hope the content isn't  ;D


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Firecracker on June 28, 2006, 02:08:40 AM
Just read you "Kill and Pray" review.

I just watched this not too long ago and I must say SPOT ON REVIEW!

I really enjoyed this spaghetti and it was a nice detour from the norm. The film has a druggy effect going for it or perhaps a dream like quality would be more appropriate?
The "hanging stools showdown" was a wonderful sequence. Ferguson's death was very satisfying and I think he is one of the most memroable sw baddies! Very creative entry to the genre we have here. A shame most directors of that time period decided to do the same stories over and over again rather than trying to come up with fresh material like this film.


Looking forward to your Sartana and Blindman reviews.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on June 28, 2006, 03:20:42 AM
Ferguson's death was very satisfying and I think he is one of the most memroable sw baddies!
Yeah Mark Damons finest sw hour from what i've seen so far and i've also enjoyed his performances in Johnny Yuma and Train For Durango-still got They Call Him Veritas,Pistol Packin' Preacher and Death At Owell Rock to watch! :)


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on June 29, 2006, 02:12:10 PM
Thanks Firecracker and Banjo. I would like to apologise to all for the absence of any recent reviews. Don't worry they are coming but I've been working flat out assisting on features and am a bit tired. Don't worry, I have a two week holiday coming up and I'll try and get them done then.  :)


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Firecracker on July 24, 2006, 03:50:56 PM

    because of the debate stirred up by my disliking of Sabata, I am going to wait a while, and then watch it again and see if it has grown upon me at all. I don't want to watch it too soon as at the moment all I feel towards the film are negative opinions. I'll give an update in a couple of months time when I do watch it.



time to hop to it then. ;D


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on July 24, 2006, 04:47:37 PM
damn I knew someone was going to hold me to that  ;D


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Firecracker on July 24, 2006, 04:50:45 PM
damn I knew someone was going to hold me to that  ;D
blame marco Leone. I was reading your review of Return of Sabata on his site. Maybe if it was just buried here I wouldnt have found it. ;D


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on July 25, 2006, 04:29:15 PM
Yeah pull your finger out if you know whats good for you ;D


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Marco Leone on July 27, 2006, 02:58:07 PM
blame marco Leone. I was reading your review of Return of Sabata on his site. Maybe if it was just buried here I wouldnt have found it. ;D

lol in truth, most things in life could result in an accusing finger being pointed in my direction  :D


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Firecracker on July 27, 2006, 10:57:12 PM
But to be honest LA...I dont mind that you dont revisit the films now...I would rather you just get onto posting your reviews for "Blindman" and "Sartana"!


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on July 28, 2006, 06:21:34 AM
I know and I must get round to doing it, I will as soon as I can  :)


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Firecracker on August 22, 2006, 03:15:46 PM
Really interested in your Blindman review...


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on August 22, 2006, 03:54:38 PM
Blindman will be reviewed v soon, honest  :-[


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on August 22, 2006, 04:13:10 PM
And you promised Hills Run Red for  last weekend >:( ;D


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on August 22, 2006, 04:13:53 PM
I know I had an excuse, it was my birthday  :-[


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on February 22, 2007, 01:32:44 PM
This Summer, LA's reviews........................... ARE BACK!

Confirmed films

The Hills Run Red
A Pistol For Ringo
Return Of Ringo (A Re-evaluation)
Hellbenders
Sugar Colt
A Man Called Sledge
If You Meet Sartana Prey For your Death
The Dirty Outlaws
Gentleman Killer
Taste Of Killing

This leads to a special look back at the previous Italian Westerns I really enjoyed and more thoughts on them.

Coming Soon

P.S. An exact date cannot be given for when these reviews will start because A) I'm starting a new feature film, B) I still have 40 classics to watch and more to come, C) My goal this spring/summer is to try and watch every Hitchcock film released on DVD. And finally D) Baseball Season. So Just a pre-warning these won't be as regular or early as before but they are definalty happening.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Firecracker on February 22, 2007, 05:24:32 PM
Finally!


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Du
Post by: PowerRR on February 22, 2007, 08:38:35 PM
EveryHitchcockFilm?BePrepartedToWatchAHellOfALotOfCrap!

my>keyboard>is>really>messed>up>g>and>h>work>now>but>shift>stopped>working>as>i>finished>that>first>sentence


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: cigar joe on February 22, 2007, 09:51:03 PM
cool


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Banjo on February 23, 2007, 05:35:00 AM
YEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!! O0 O0 O0


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Du
Post by: Eric on March 01, 2007, 07:43:51 PM
LA -- Would you mind if I started a similar thread of plowing through my first non-Leone spaghettis? I would hope to not be in competition with you, but rather maybe provide a dissenting or supporting opinion.

I seek your blessing because if I said I wasn't inspired by your thread, I'd be lying....

--Eric


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 01, 2007, 07:59:04 PM
Hi Eric, sure you can, it won't be in competition, loads of guys have written informative reviews on a similar nature and I look forward to reading yours.  I'm just glad something I posted inspired somebody  :)


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Sonny on March 21, 2007, 09:40:02 AM
 :) I love this idea of incorporating SW "Virgins" with the world of western cinema, most of us Newbies should be able to appreciate it O0


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: The Firecracker on March 21, 2007, 09:46:54 AM
:) I love this idea of incorporating SW "Virgins" with the world of western cinema, most of us Newbies should be able to appreciate it O0

Well Sonny, for an SW "newbie" you sure have seen some non-newbie material so far. Most of us, when starting out, didn't get a glimpse of the Sartana series until we we're well into our 50th SW view.


Title: Re: An SW Virgin's Guide to SW or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Dubb's
Post by: Sonny on March 21, 2007, 10:21:03 AM
thank you FC, those are some encouraging words you stated above.

regardless, however, i AM a Newbie as you can plainly see and my exposure to SW are due greatly, if not entirely to YOUR passion for the genre...

so thanks