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Title: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: Marco Leone on September 30, 2005, 02:23:09 PM
This weeks viewing was Petroni's "And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars". Here goes.......

"Ah, such beautiful music!

This film opens with a classic sequence. A stagecoach is attacked by a gang, with all the passengers brutally massacred. Cue Morricone's haunting soundtrack as the camera focuses on the dead, and in particular the face of a blonde girl. A hand brushes the dust from her face,and the camera pans up to show the sorrowful face of Billy (Giuliano Gemma). A truly moving scene, but made particularly so because of Morricone's music.

In a way, this opening sequence is quite out of place with the remainder of the movie. The rest is a light-hearted affair, based around the partnership of Billy and Larry (Mario Adorf). Billy is a smart, world-wise man, whilst Larry is not gifted with the greatest amount of intelligence. This is a perfect foil for Billy, who is a convincing conman and successful in getting the better out of his gullible partner throughout the film (including robbing him of his entire life savings).

The action really hots up when the character of Roger Pratt (Federico Boido) is introduced properly (until this stage, he is purely the face of the gang leader from the opening ambush). He is a brutal man, tracking down Billy on behalf of his father Samual Pratt (Anthony Dawson). The second half of the movie concentrates on this pursuit, with Samual also arriving on the scene and proving to be as barbaric as his short-fused offspring.

Director Giulio Petroni (of "Death Rides a Horse" fame) adopts a similar style to the one used in his later Milian cast "Life is Tough, Right Providence?". It shares its episodic structure, and "clever man/thick man" partnership. Anyone that has read my other reviews will probably have noticed that I do not generally like the more light-hearted westerns. However, I did very much enjoy most of this particular film (the same could not be said of "Providence" incidentally).

Gemma does not look as comfortable with the more comedic role as he does to that of an angel-faced gunman. But he still looks and acts the part - as likable in this film as ever. Adorf meanwhile is suitably oafish (in a role that would have been perfect for Bud Spencer), as Boido and Dawson are villainous.

A particular highlight of the film is a superb scene as Billy cons his way into the house of a beautiful Widow (played by the frankly gorgeous Magda Konopka). Another very beautiful Spaghetti Western actress, part sorrowful and part sexually teasing.

As my review closes, I must dwell further on that opening sequence. The background to this massacre is never fully explained - perhaps those killed have been unfortunate acquaintances of Billy, and suitably punished by the Pratt gang. I don't know. And, in its serious nature, it perhaps feels like a scene that doesn't really belong in this film. But... if you watch it for no other reason, then watch it for this powerful prologue (even close your eyes just to hear Morricone's score). I am also quite confident as you sit through the whole film that you will find other scenes that you will enjoy".

If you have seen it, would be great if you could vote your opinion at http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/spaghettiwesterns/reviews/andforaroof.html



Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: dave jenkins on September 30, 2005, 06:15:56 PM
Is this flick out on DVD?


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: Marco Leone on October 01, 2005, 04:14:58 AM
Mine is a Japenese import - but well worth the effort


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: The Smoker on October 01, 2005, 08:12:14 AM
This is something i want to see. Soundtrack is suppose to be class to boot.


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: Marco Leone on October 01, 2005, 10:38:38 AM
The film is good, the soundtrack is EXCELLENT


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: Banjo on December 10, 2005, 02:00:36 AM
You've talked me into this one Marco,i've just got to see that opening scene and hear some new Morricone music.I've just ordered the dvd from Ebay together with Those Dirty Dogs-i'm trusting in Shobarys opinion here due to a severe lack of information on this forum although it does have Gianni Garko!


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: Marco Leone on December 10, 2005, 04:18:46 AM
 :D 'ere Banjo, I had my eyes on that Dirty Dogs dvd on ebay!!!  hehe.

I really enjoyed "Roof", and the music is great.  It does at times seem like a few different films strung together!  Worth getting though.


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: Banjo on December 10, 2005, 04:53:17 AM
Unlucky me old son,better luck next time!
By the way Marco have you been at all tempted by Corbucci's What Am I Doing In The Middle Of The Revolution from the same seller.I've been waiting for this to be a "buy now" because it seems to get bid up through the roof every time i moniter it.This movie is the third in Corbucci's Mercenary(is there a review on the way Marco?)/Companeros trilogy and it would be great to find out a bit more about it,anybody?


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: Leone Admirer on December 10, 2005, 06:29:03 AM
This sounds really good, another to add to the list then  ;D


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: Banjo on December 10, 2005, 06:53:55 AM
In Hughes Once Upon A Time In The Italian West in a chapter about Death Rides A Horse he discusses Giulio Petroni's other western output including Tepepa and cites Sky Full Of Stars as"the most interesting of the bunch" and like Marco he pays particular attention to the opening sequence and Morricones music.


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: Marco Leone on December 10, 2005, 12:53:56 PM
Unlucky me old son,better luck next time!
By the way Marco have you been at all tempted by Corbucci's What Am I Doing In The Middle Of The Revolution from the same seller.I've been waiting for this to be a "buy now" because it seems to get bid up through the roof every time i moniter it.This movie is the third in Corbucci's Mercenary(is there a review on the way Marco?)/Companeros trilogy and it would be great to find out a bit more about it,anybody?

Funnily enough..... What Am I Doing arrived last week! 

I am three reviews behind, I need to get my butt in gear and scribble write ups for Execution, Mercenary, and for my second viewing of Johnny Yuma.  Been rushing about, and not had a chance to do it (slacker that I am  ;D ).


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: Leone Admirer on December 10, 2005, 12:57:35 PM
Looking forward to the review of Johnny Yuma Marco. Give us a hint, is it positive or negative?


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: Banjo on December 11, 2005, 02:16:44 AM
Funnily enough..... What Am I Doing arrived last week!†

I am three reviews behind, I need to get my butt in gear and scribble write ups for Execution, Mercenary, and for my second viewing of Johnny Yuma.† Been rushing about, and not had a chance to do it (slacker that I am† ;D ).
Damn it,i thought i might be catching up with your collection!!Looking forward to getting your verdict about What Am I Doing...especially as i didn't try and outbid you,hehe!!


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: Banjo on December 11, 2005, 07:43:03 AM
Looking forward to the review of Johnny Yuma Marco. Give us a hint, is it positive or negative?
I've just had a look at Shobary,Leone_Admirer,he's added Johnny Yuma to his reviews and its the first write up with a negative slant i've seen.He calls it mediocre and thinks Mark Damon is irritating!-its still on my wanted list though!!
I don't understand why he hasn't added the Mercenary on because its been on the pending list for months and would definately be the first 100 percenter he would have for awhile,i think!


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: Leone Admirer on December 11, 2005, 08:10:20 AM
Well, as you know banjo, I very much enjoyed it. Were not looking at a revolutionary epic, but a down and dirty, good fun Spaghetti. I whole heartily recomend it to you.


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: Banjo on December 11, 2005, 08:23:14 AM
They are pretty complimentary about Johnny Yuma on IMDB.com too,i think Damons great and i haven't been put off!


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: Banjo on December 16, 2005, 04:53:57 AM
Three DVD's arrived yesterday and having first watched the extended version of They Call Me Trinity,I put on  the firsrt half hour of And For A Roof A Sky Full of Stars late last night and as Marco says the opening scene is very affecting and so far the Morricone music is brilliant.I see what Marco means about the clever guy/stupid guy comparison with the Providence movie but its nowhere near as weird/madcap,at least so far!


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: titoli on December 16, 2005, 10:49:54 AM
How long is the Trinity? Does it have the italian language?


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: Banjo on December 17, 2005, 10:48:36 AM
Titoli,the total running time is 109 minutes which i am informed is 6 minutes longer than any other available DVD but unfortunately there is no Italian language!


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: titoli on December 17, 2005, 12:10:03 PM
The italian theatre release was 128' (which I rememebered vaguely being the duration of the movie as I saw it at the time of release) which, allowing for the transcoding, gives roughly a 123'  for vhs and tv releases. the longer versions released in Italy were 113' long.

 I take these informations from here:
 
http://www.budterence.tk/dvdtagliaticontrinita.php

where it says that the original version can't be found (I don't believe it for a minute). How are things abroad?


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: Banjo on December 17, 2005, 01:56:44 PM
Interesting i wonder if mine is the longest available with English dubbing-the seller claims it to be uncut?


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: Banjo on December 19, 2005, 06:56:16 AM
Having now watched And For A roof A Skyful of Stars in its entirity i'd say that Marco's initial review is pretty much spot on and for me Morricones fantastically haunting soundtrack lifts the movie up from a 65% rating  to 75%.I'm reminded of My Name Is Nobody in that this movie very much has its feet stuck in two camps,slapstick comedy and serious action western and where it struggles to deliver convincingly in the first category it more than makes up for it in the latter and the film picks up alot in the second half with a great shootout finale.
Of particular note is Anthony Dawson(British star of the early Bond films who also played Four Aces Cavanaugh in Petroni's other great Death Rides A Horse) as the menacingly shifty senior Pratt towards the end of the film.
All in all very satisfied with this purchase!!!


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: Marco Leone on December 24, 2005, 10:30:48 AM
Glad you enjoyed it Banjo.  As well as the quality of the film, I also remember having the "hots" for the actress in it  :D


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: Banjo on December 24, 2005, 10:58:01 AM
Oh yeau shudda mentioned that!!!How come all these sw widows,(Jill McBain,the one in  Big Gundown)are so goddam tasty?


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: titoli on August 31, 2006, 03:41:21 PM
Well, I tell you: I prefer the mermaid...
No, I think, for a start, that this is one of the best titles in the history of the movies: almost like a verse by Leopardi (from which it is inspired, sure). I am sure having it seen it, I always liked the title, that I can say for sure: it was haunting. If I did, I must admit I didn't remember a iota of the whole shebang. Which is good as I could taste the whole film at a sitting without ever getting bored, on the contrary being really taken up by it and always surprised by the brilliance of some solution. Which also amazed me seeing who one of the screenplayers was, i.e. one of the author of the worst pseudo-comedies of the 70's.
Gemma was impeccable. You know I can't stand him, but here he was perfect, always the right expression, a perfect balance between serious and comedic. Them other ones are very good, Adorf of course being first. This goes easily in my top 20 non Leone.

Morricone's music: where can I buy it?


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: titoli on August 31, 2006, 03:51:25 PM
Never mind, here it is:

http://www.moviegrooves.com/shop/epertettouncielodistelle.htm


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: Groggy on August 31, 2006, 04:40:18 PM
Mario Adorf eh?


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: titoli on August 31, 2006, 04:56:44 PM
I am not a fan of him but here he is perfect. He plays dumb smoothly, it is his actions that qualify him as such, not the usual contrived face expressions like keeping the mouth open or the eyes half-closed.


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: titoli on August 31, 2006, 05:07:28 PM
Here's the link to the italian SWdb:

http://www.spaghettiwestern.altervista.org/tetto_cielo.htm


What do you think of the soundtrack's original cover?


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: Groggy on August 31, 2006, 05:11:03 PM
I am not a fan of him but here he is perfect. He plays dumb smoothly, it is his actions that qualify him as such, not the usual contrived face expressions like keeping the mouth open or the eyes half-closed.

I only know Adorf from "Major Dundee", but he's in a tie with James Coburn as my favorite character from that film, so that's something for him.  "Any of you damned gringos fire before the signal, I swear to God I'll kill you!" ;D


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: titoli on August 31, 2006, 06:45:35 PM
Can't remember him and Coburn in that movie...I remember Senta Berger, though.


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: The Firecracker on September 02, 2006, 12:08:14 PM
this is one of my favorite Gemma westerns ("Pistol for Ringo" raynes supreme).
The first 45 minutes are rather silly, what with the fake mermaid and the slight hints of slapstick comedy but the last half of the film is truly something special. Shockingly brutal and poetically sweet.
Morricone's main theme is masterful without a doubt.
The villains are really nasty human beings.
Great spaghetti westerns.


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: Banjo on May 26, 2007, 04:22:45 PM
Arizona Colts review:-

AND FOR A ROOF, A SKY FULL OF STARS 1966-Wonderful opening to this Guiliano Gemma movie which divulges into comical shenanigans until a vicious gang comes looking Gemma (who for much of the film pretends to not know how to use a gun) and his lovably stupid friend whom Gemma constantly takes advantage of until the gang of thugs finally catch up with him. It drags a bit in the middle but it has a dynamite ending and you really canít go wrong with a Gemma picture. Some versions have an entirely different set of credits and are missing the opening sequence.


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: Arizona Colt on May 28, 2007, 12:05:00 PM
The greek dupe of this is called BILLY BOY and opens with a credit sequence that is multi-colored with painted shots of the actors behind the titles. When the film begins, it starts in the saloon. The entire scene with the stagecoach and Gemma burying the people is missing. When Banjo and FC made mention of the beautiful opening theme I was quite confused. The japanese DVD however, is complete and has the original credits playing over the opening action.


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: O'Cangaceiro on March 08, 2009, 11:08:16 PM
As my review closes, I must dwell further on that opening sequence. The background to this massacre is never fully explained - perhaps those killed have been unfortunate acquaintances of Billy, and suitably punished by the Pratt gang. I don't know. And, in its serious nature, it perhaps feels like a scene that doesn't really belong in this film. But... if you watch it for no other reason, then watch it for this powerful prologue (even close your eyes just to hear Morricone's score). I am also quite confident as you sit through the whole film that you will find other scenes that you will enjoy".

I watched this movie a couple fo days ago, and my opinion is in tune with the majority of the reviewers: excellent score by Morricone and good SW in general, well worh owning. A clear 7 out of 10 (at least). O0

Despite this being an old thread, I resurrected it mostly in response to Marco Leone's original post, because I think the reason for the massacre of the opening scene becomes clear about one hour into the movie. Just after Roger Pratt and his henchmen captured Billy Boyd (AKA Tim Hawkins) and his friend Harry, they attempt to hang the latter and bring Billy Boy to Samuel Pratt. When Harry's hanging is taking place, Billy Boyd manages to disarm one of Pratt's henchmen, then shoots at the rope around Harry's neck and cuts it, then he kills all five of Pratt's henchmen (all with a shot in the middle of the forehead). Roger Pratt manages to escape as Billy Boyd does not have any bullets left in the gun. Afterwards, Billy explains to Harry that he also was time ago (in Virginia) one of Samuel Pratt's men, but one day he decided to leave and seek a fresh start somewhere else. Samuel Pratt does not like it and hunts Billy Boyd down by sending two of his sons after him, but Billy kills both of them. Now back to the opening sequence, Roger Pratt and his gang go after the stagecoach  because they believe Billy Boyd is one of the occupants. They shoot and kill everybody because they don't want to leave any withnesses. Then, they discover that Billy Boyd is not in the stagecoach, and it becomes clear that one of Pratt's men gave Roger the wrong information, Roger, infuriated, kills his man. When Billy finds the massacre, he is sad not because the dead are his friends or relatives, just because they just found them dead (especially the young woman).

Unless I have missed something, this is my explanation for the rationale of the opening sequence.


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: Dust Devil on August 04, 2010, 07:20:20 AM
I think it's fair to say I enjoyed this to a good extent, although it doesn't come close to the best GG SWs in my opinion. Gemma and Adorf have indeed a good chemistry but the first hour or so is too silly more often than not (though not bad), hence you also don't take their acting too seriously (but they did a solid job). The music is excellent, the climax well built and executed.

Not great, but far from bad.


6.8/10


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: Dust Devil on August 04, 2010, 07:24:02 AM
A particular highlight of the film is a superb scene as Billy cons his way into the house of a beautiful Widow (played by the frankly gorgeous Magda Konopka). Another very beautiful Spaghetti Western actress, part sorrowful and part sexually teasing.

Aye, eros and thanatos.


Title: Re: And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars aka ...e per tetto un cielo di stelle (1968)
Post by: Dust Devil on August 04, 2010, 07:25:06 AM
Despite this being an old thread, I resurrected it mostly in response to Marco Leone's original post, because I think the reason for the massacre of the opening scene becomes clear about one hour into the movie. Just after Roger Pratt and his henchmen captured Billy Boyd (AKA Tim Hawkins) and his friend Harry, they attempt to hang the latter and bring Billy Boy to Samuel Pratt. When Harry's hanging is taking place, Billy Boyd manages to disarm one of Pratt's henchmen, then shoots at the rope around Harry's neck and cuts it, then he kills all five of Pratt's henchmen (all with a shot in the middle of the forehead). Roger Pratt manages to escape as Billy Boyd does not have any bullets left in the gun. Afterwards, Billy explains to Harry that he also was time ago (in Virginia) one of Samuel Pratt's men, but one day he decided to leave and seek a fresh start somewhere else. Samuel Pratt does not like it and hunts Billy Boyd down by sending two of his sons after him, but Billy kills both of them. Now back to the opening sequence, Roger Pratt and his gang go after the stagecoach  because they believe Billy Boyd is one of the occupants. They shoot and kill everybody because they don't want to leave any withnesses. Then, they discover that Billy Boyd is not in the stagecoach, and it becomes clear that one of Pratt's men gave Roger the wrong information, Roger, infuriated, kills his man. When Billy finds the massacre, he is sad not because the dead are his friends or relatives, just because they just found them dead (especially the young woman).

Unless I have missed something, this is my explanation for the rationale of the opening sequence.

Seems believable.