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Title: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: HEX on October 06, 2005, 11:51:05 AM
the only spag of the CAT STEVENS trilogy i own is
ACE HIGH
i didnt particular care for it though the end showdown and when cacopoulos(or however the hell u spell it) steals cat and bud spencers money is cool. but other then those two scenes nothing really stood out.

now i have heard that GOD FORGIVES I DONT is completly awful.

but is BOOT HILL any good?


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: Nobody on October 07, 2005, 05:57:25 PM
I kinda like all of these three films. Not quality works, but enjoyable. Boot Hill is by far the weakest of them though. If you didn't care for God Forgives..., you might as well stay away from Boot Hill. That's my opinion though, feel free to disagree.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: Sackett on October 07, 2005, 08:23:36 PM
NO.  I bought it in some sort of boxed set of Trinity movies thinking it would be a comedy also.  Its trash and its not funny.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: HEX on October 07, 2005, 09:08:12 PM
i dont think BOOT HILL is meant to be funny but... thank u for youre opinion and youres too NOBODY


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: Scarabaeus on October 17, 2005, 04:41:31 PM
I personally like the first, "God forgives, i don't" the best. There are two different versions out in germany, one has most of the violence cut out and the dialog is more "funny". That is, the kind of deadbeat jokes of the later spencer/hill movies. This is called the "comedy" versions. The other one is the full movie with a less silly dialog, and some "missing" scenes in english with german subtitles. Both releases are german only, though. No english soundtrack or subtitles.

"Ace high" is not so bad, either. It has Eli Wallach depicting his "Tuco" character from GBU.

I haven't seen any good releases of "Boot Hill", yet, just bad full-screen scans. It's a bit confusing at times, some of the scenes are rather psychedelic and the plot is not always clear. In it's own kind, it's a good, interesting movie, if you're into stange movies.

I think all three were made as rather violent, brutal westerns, and have been re-designated as "funny" after the two trinity movies were such a success. To bundle "Boot Hill" with the two trinity movies is definitely odd and does not fit.

By the way, the german DVD releases of the trinity movies have a much, much better picture than the american releases, which look like they've been scraped off an U-Matic tape.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: HEX on October 18, 2005, 09:44:38 AM
isnt the WILD EAST version of BOOT HILL suposed to be
pretty good quality(and widescreen)?


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: Scarabaeus on November 02, 2005, 10:30:12 PM
I haven't seen any good releases of "Boot Hill", yet, just bad full-screen scans. It's a bit confusing at times, some of the scenes are rather psychedelic and the plot is not always clear. In it's own kind, it's a good, interesting movie, if you're into stange movies.

I have to revise that a bit, since i received the german 3-disc release from Starlight today. It contains the movie in several different versions, one is the "international" edit with english and german (G.D.R. (yes, former east germany)) soundtrack. Another is an extended "integral" edit, where they cut in missing bits from a german video release, sound is english, german (GDR) and a west german "comedy" version dubbed with the famous deadbeat humor of most german Terence Hill movies. Both are 1:2.35 widescreen in 16:9 anamorphic with decent picture quality. Both have english titles stating the name  as "Boots Hill" (sic).

The third disc contains the german "comedy" video release in 1:2.35 letterbox as 4:3 non-anamorphic titled "Zwei hau'n auf den Putz" over italian titles, and a short super-8 version, titled "Hügel der blutigen Stiefel" (the normal german title). This disc also contains some extras, such as further title sequences of german TV and U.S. DVD releases.

The menus are in german, but not too complicated to understand for english audiences. Made me see the movie in a different light, it's actually pretty good. If you can play PAL region 2 discs, this is a good release to get.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: Christopher on November 04, 2005, 12:57:09 PM
I still haven't watched my dad's box set of They Call Me Trinity, Trinity is Still My Name and Boot Hill. But he doesn't care much for Boot Hill.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: Scarabaeus on November 04, 2005, 01:57:51 PM
I still haven't watched my dad's box set of They Call Me Trinity, Trinity is Still My Name and Boot Hill. But he doesn't care much for Boot Hill.

I can't understand why they put those three in a box set. "Boot Hill" is the third part of the "Cat Stevens" trilogy, and the other ones are the first two of the "Trinity" trilogy (Third part being either "Troublemakers" with Hill/Spencer or "Sons of Trinity" by Enzo Barboni)

Well, I made this page sorting out the movies involved:
http://scarabaeus.org/trinity.html


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: The Smoker on November 04, 2005, 02:11:08 PM
Its all dislocated by where the money was coming from at the time. Spaghetti's where a seat of the pants business. Paramount have the US distribution on just Ace High. Back in 1968 they proberly spotted Mr Eli 'GB&U' Wallach on the billing. And fancied making some money on it.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: Banjo on November 05, 2005, 05:29:03 AM
BBC1 used to regularly screen both Ace High & Boot Hill about 20+ years ago,and i've recently bought the Ace High vhs which is very entertaining and for anybody who is an admirer of Eli Wallach as Tuco,his wonderful performance  in Ace High is about as close as you can get character wise to the GBU prototype!Hill & Spencer also show great chemistry here in a movie that also has a great action,humour & a good storyline.
I remember,like God Forgives(which i also have) Boot Hill was rather overlong and tedious  so i have avoided this one so far!


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: HEX on November 05, 2005, 10:26:07 AM
BBC1 used to regularly screen both Ace High & Boot Hill about 20+ years ago,and i've recently bought the Ace High vhs which is very entertaining and for anybody who is an admirer of Eli Wallach as Tuco,his wonderful performance  in Ace High is about as close as you can get character wise to the GBU prototype!Hill & Spencer also show great chemistry here in a movie that also has a great action,humour & a good storyline.
I remember,like God Forgives(which i also have) Boot Hill was rather overlong and tedious  so i have avoided this one so far!




i have just noticed SHOBARY has GOD FORGIVES.... at a very high percentile. which is strange because i have heard it is pretty terrible. but then again opinions are like ass....nevermind.


anyway i am still going to check on BOOT HILL, the wild east dvd since i am sure that is the only decent one out there. and if i like it i will check out GOD FORGIVES I DONT.













oh by the way i recently pre-ordered THE GRAND DUEL and BEYOND THE LAW double LVC pack that wild east is putting out. it has wonderful cover art from what i see. and i love that tag-line at the top. if u guys are interested u should really check-up on it quick. because anything there on LVC is out of stock very soon after release.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: Banjo on November 06, 2005, 02:29:37 AM
Yes Hex,i don't think we should always take Shobarys opinions as gospel.I know you like Four of the Apocalypse and i like the excellent Django the Bastard and both films only get about 10% i recall.
Its going to be amusing to see how Shobary will rate some of the later rubbish LVC starred in and presumably these will get some sort of a minus figure rating,hehe!!
Let me know what you make of Boot Hill by the way!


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: HEX on November 06, 2005, 03:52:22 PM
Yes Hex,i don't think we should always take Shobarys opinions as gospel.I know you like Four of the Apocalypse and i like the excellent Django the Bastard and both films only get about 10% i recall.
Its going to be amusing to see how Shobary will rate some of the later rubbish LVC starred in and presumably these will get some sort of a minus figure rating,hehe!!
Let me know what you make of Boot Hill by the way!



ill let u know as soon as but dont wait up there are a few more spags i have my eye out for before i get to BOOT HILL.
i to think DJANGO THE BASTARD(AKA THE STARNGERS GUNDOWN) is good. but i want to buy the dvd that came out a couple of months ago, cuz i know i am missing something with my pan and scan vhs tape.

as for SHOBARY yeah he has nothing but crap left to review with the acception of THE MERCENARY(which i am surprised with his vast collection of crap u would think he would have gone for the essentuals first.) BLINDMAN,
THE GRAND DUEL among a few others.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: Banjo on November 07, 2005, 02:13:20 AM
Hex,there are a few crap SW's with reviews pending,and maybe Shobary is too scared to add these on at present!!!
Tepepa's pretty good and i've heard good things about Johnny Yuma though.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: Leone Admirer on November 07, 2005, 06:04:06 AM
oh by the way i recently pre-ordered THE GRAND DUEL and BEYOND THE LAW double LVC pack that wild east is putting out. it has wonderful cover art from what i see. and i love that tag-line at the top. if u guys are interested u should really check-up on it quick. because anything there on LVC is out of stock very soon after release.

I saw those too Hex, they should be good. Think I'll have to wait a bit though or my eye's 'll be constantly squinting like Clints  ;D


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: titoli on November 20, 2006, 07:10:48 PM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064175/

http://www.spaghettiwestern.altervista.org/terence2.htm

I see that many here consider it as the weakest of the Spencer-Hill pre-Trinity movies. In my opinion it is the best of the three. It has many defects but in spite of those it manages to come up with some good sequences, as noted in many of the comments at IMDB. I also agree this is worthy a remake, with a more balanced screenplay and better balanced score (I like the jazzy tune on the credits and the last one, but the rest is out of focus, like the sequences which mix up circus scenes and fight scenes). I like the final confrontation (with some original solutions, courtesy of the circus artists), expecially the barroom brawl which is really an anticipation of the Trinity movies to come, with Eastman doubling for Hill. I also like the fact that there is not a leading actor (Terence Hill has probably got less screen time than Stander) and that this is Strode's best performance. 


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: The Firecracker on November 21, 2006, 12:09:06 AM

. In my opinion it is the best of the three.


Coming from you I will definatly have to take a look at this again because I could barely sit through this film.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: titoli on November 21, 2006, 01:14:04 AM
Reading reviews at IMDB I have the impression that there's a problem with (one of) the american release(s)?  And that almost all the negative opinions stem from that fact. I have seen a italian spoken version with some in german snippets cut from the italian original theatrical release (I saw it at the time, but figure...) which make the running time over 90'. Some american viewer says at IMDB he can't see Terence Hill speaking in some scenes as there's no light: in my copy everything is crystal clear.
(A curious thing for italian viewers is that Buono's chief sidekick is played by Glauco Onorato who was the dubber for Bud Spencer: in the movie he doubles for Bud and himself!!).
Anyway, though not perfect, the movie is head, if not even shoulder, above the other two which bored me after a promising start.   


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: The Firecracker on November 21, 2006, 01:16:48 AM
If it's my pan & scan copy that is the problem then perhaps I need to trade shobary for his pristine copy and have a look at it.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: titoli on November 21, 2006, 01:18:52 AM
How long is your version? And does the hint about Hill speaking but not being seen check?


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: mike siegel on November 21, 2006, 03:48:01 AM
''GERMAN SNIPPETS'':
I think you're referring this one

http://www.amazon.de/H%C3%BCgel-blutigen-Stiefel-3-DVDs/dp/B000BC9ZTE/sr=11-1/qid=1164104612/ref=sr_11_1/303-6275279-8733016

Gee, that's a long link. If it's not working, check or google    Amazon.de  //    TERENCE HILL   STIEFEL  3er DVD

I'm grateful for that one, over here we had problems with this film (as withall COLIZZIs): The version from 1969 is lost since the film was recut and re-dubbed in the 70's. Fortunately the film played in East Germany and that is the dubbing that was used on DVD. There three versions:  1.) the 95min (I'm referring to NTSC length!) uncut version 2.) an extended version, 98min. which includes some scenes that popped up in the 70's recut version but not in the 69 version. Always speaking of Germany here. These scenes have no english soundtrack and are of bad quality - see:  3.) the recut 'comedy' version. 'funny' redubbed dialogue, taken from an old VHS-tape.. Never saw that never will...
You can also see my Lobby Cards & posters and that Box..

I love Colizzi. To some he might be boring, not to me. Come to think of it, they a bit slower on TV than they did in the teatres. Like Sergio's films, they belong to the big Screen ! (!)   I think he was Leone's best student. The photography (composition, angles, lenses, framing) tops almost everything in the genre. HILL is my favorite in Italian Westerns, he moves like a cat, does his own stunts (like Belmondo, another one of my heros), looks very handsome, has the best costumes (especially hats) and plays it really cool. Believable cool, at least in my opinion. I can't stand Steffen or some of these guys who look phony to me. No, I think the Colizzis are amng the best. And COLLINA DEGLI STIVALI is almost an experimental film. As mentioned, the leading has not that much screen time and the almost no dialogue at all during the first 20 minutes! Also, like MERCENARIO, it treats the CIRCUS-theme very well. The score is weird and just great. Cool film.

I just restored for myself I QUATTRO DELL AVE MARIA. The German version had 50 cuts!
Great film.

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Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: titoli on November 21, 2006, 05:55:47 AM
Quote
The German version had 50 cuts!

A world record?


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: titoli on November 21, 2006, 06:04:20 AM
Many interesting things in your post, expecially Eli Wallach being billed before Hill and Spencer. I disagree about Colizzi, Boot Hill demonstrates that he can do very good things (I especially like the guns under the seats sequence, unfortunately not abetted by an effective musical tune) and very bad (the murder of the trapezist is very badly shot and edited: no dramatic at all). I think he had a very good screenplay but didn't get from it all there was. And about the other two, we all seem to agree here that they are not that good.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: Banjo on November 22, 2006, 05:37:49 AM
If it's my pan & scan copy that is the problem then perhaps I need to trade shobary for his pristine copy and have a look at it.
I remember when the BBC regularly used to show reasonable prints(yes,pan & Scan) of the whole Colizzi trilogy in the late 70's/early 80's and for me Boot Hill was always the tedious one-way way overlong and BORING :(
Mike Siegal have you seen Colizzi's All The Way Boys starring Terence & Bud?I'm a huge fan of their more comtemporary films but this has got to be one of the most dull,tedious and above all totally unfunny comedy i've seen with the duo.
Contrast this with Watch Out,We're Mad made in the following year which for me is one of the greatest comedies of all time   ;)


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: The Firecracker on November 22, 2006, 08:33:19 AM


I'm grateful for that one, over here we had problems with this film (as withall COLIZZIs):


Actually the "Ace High" dvd that came out in the States a year and a half ago is as good as it gets. Widescreen and pristine picture.

Too bad the movie isn't up to snuff. It's not bad but it ain't great. Colizzi is just one notch above the poor sw directors.


Titoli: I'll answer your question when I get back from work (If I do).


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: mike siegel on November 22, 2006, 09:45:47 AM
I think it's always nice to hang out with fellow movie buffs who represent a total opposite opinion. I never discuss WILD BUNCH with fellow Peckinpah-fans since we all know it's impeccable, so where's the point?

Banjo, it's funny: ALL THE WAY, BOYS (Piu Forte, ragazzi), is my favorite Hill non-western. Colizzi never made comedies, basically adventure pics with lots of humor. BOYS is so unique - not many major pictures have been shot in Columbia. And it's about aviation which I love (only when it comes to OLD planes, 'just like in the picture.). Maybe I'm too romantic.
But I heard the film is not playing well in english anyway. Cut too I suppose. The German dubbing (and the Italian too) is hilarious. Very subtile funny dialogue. A friend recently restored it for German aficionados: The German version is/was 10 minutes longer than the Italian (!), BUT the Italian has some 10 minutes not in the German print. GREAT FILM :)

WATCH OUT I like too. Next to Corbucci's first with them (EVEN & UNEVEN?) and CRIMEBUSTERS the best. But they became more and more childrens pictures, which was the goal of the two, who both hate violence in films.

As for me, I rather cross the desert with Cat & Hutch... :)

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Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: titoli on November 22, 2006, 10:25:18 AM
Siegel, does Hill dub himself in the german releases? And are there filmed interviews in german by him? I'm curious to listen to him speaking in his mother tongue (which he says he speaks better than italian).


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: The Firecracker on November 22, 2006, 01:07:03 PM
How long is your version? And does the hint about Hill speaking but not being seen check?


94 minutes long.

Hill speaking but not seeing checks out as well.

The beginning is by far the worst spot in the film, it's total darkness for 5 minutes.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: titoli on November 22, 2006, 03:22:00 PM
Thanx. Not that I think that a better release can alter yours and Banjo's opinion. To me the superiority of this is so apparent that if somebody doesn't grab it at first sight, however impaired by a bad release quality, then never will. But it's all in the game.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: The Firecracker on November 22, 2006, 03:24:56 PM
Thanx. Not that I think that a better release can alter yours and Banjo's opinion. To me the superiority of this is so apparent that if somebody doesn't grab it at first sight, however impaired by a bad release quality, then never will. But it's all in the game.


I still haven't seen "God forgives" actually. Plan to rectify that quite soon though.

I have heard mixed reviews about it. Some say it's tedious others say it's good.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: titoli on November 22, 2006, 03:34:47 PM
I admit that I stopped watching it after the fist-fight between Spencer and Hill.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: The Firecracker on November 22, 2006, 03:43:00 PM
I admit that I stopped watching it after the fist-fight between Spencer and Hill.

How many minutes in?


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: mike siegel on November 22, 2006, 04:16:38 PM
But there's only one fist-fight, near the end of the film (?)


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: titoli on November 22, 2006, 04:25:24 PM
Am I confusing it with another movie? I saw it many months ago and it's possible. Still I think there's a kind of confrontation on the borders of a river between Spencer and Hill when they are interrupted by Santantonio's men.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: Sundance on November 22, 2006, 05:46:48 PM
Different version of the movie? I don't know about the differences though but I think there's atleast 3 versions of 'God Forgives' around... the long italian one (I think the long german western version of the film is the same though? ) and then there's german comedy version and then finally the english language version which is very much cut.

As for Ace High, the US DVD looks damn good but the english language version is unfortunately cut... may be over 10minutes. An italian disc has the longer version but has no english options and is now out of print.

And of course as always the english (and some other versions) are cut compared to the italian release but are probably full length english versions of the movie. ;)


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: mike siegel on November 23, 2006, 03:45:02 AM
Exactly.
But that's mainly for admireres of Colizzi's films, the other ones will be bored, because the films are even longer then. ;)
My Italian is pretty good, maybe I'll make an English version DVD with the additional Italian sequences english subtitled..


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: Banjo on November 30, 2006, 02:13:14 AM

I still haven't seen "God forgives" actually. Plan to rectify that quite soon though.

I have heard mixed reviews about it. Some say it's tedious others say it's good.
Tedious-the English version may be cut but it still seems way overlong,slow and completely lacking the humour from Ace High(which Eli Wallach makes essential)  but as with Boot Hill i'd like to give this a second chance by seeing a decent widescreen print.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: Banjo on May 25, 2007, 05:56:50 AM
Firecracker's Crappiest Sw's review ;D :-

Boot Hill


 "And the cats and the cradle and the silver spoon, boy whoever directed this was a real loon."(bad pun)


Before I get into the review I must say that this is the worst spaghetti western I have had the displeasure of watching. Boot Hill is the last of the Cat Stevens trilogy, the first two being "God forgives, I dont" and "Ace High." Let us begin.


Things start off interesting enough with are hero Cat Stevens(this character has no relation to the singer and is played by Terence hill) the mysterious gunslinger is in a dreary looking town being chased by several bad guys. A gunfight ensues between Cat and the bad guys. Cat is shot and crawls to the nearest hiding spot, the interior of a  traveling circus stagecoach(owned by a circus performer visiting the town there in). The circus leaves town bringing along there stagecoaches and Cat escapes. The wounded hero is discovered by circus trapeze artist Woody Strode( Now I like woody and I think he is a bad ass, unfortunatly this is a terrible role for him) in the most embarassing role I have ever seen him in. He spends most of the movie in an embarsassing circus outfit and is prone to do jimnastics...

...anyway. Woody and the other performers(including Lionel Stander in the role of the ringleader of the circus.) try to heal Cat while traveling to there next performance town. They arrive in a town that is owned by a greedy buissness man and his henchmen(the same bad guys who tried to kill Cat). The greedy town boss is after a mine that is owned by the miners of the town( I am not really sure what the guy wants for sure, by this time I just wanted to get through the movie so I can never watch it again). The town boss's henchmen end up killing some miners and a few circus performers. naturally the circus performers want revenge. they ask for the help of Cat to help rid these bastards. Cat agrees realizing that he would like to get rid of the people who shot him as much as these circus folk want to get rid of them for killing there friends. Cat seeks out his old friend Hutch(Bud Spencer) and trains the circus folk to fight. at the end the circus folk invite the town boss and his cronies to see a circus performance for free. They show up, all hell breaks loose....

....There is a overlong and boring gunfight for the finale which involves circus midgets beating up on random bad guys and circus performers firing their guns around not looking like they are actually hitting anything in particular. somehow they manage to win the fight though. There is a highlight moment in the gunfight where Cat stevens squares off in a showdown between him and a bad guy(presumably the one who shot him). The two do the whole routine thing, stare at each other for several seconds and such...then they FIRE. But you dont see either one of them get shot, the scene moves to something else and you dont find out until later who lived(Cat prevails of course, but it was still suspenseful and the only time any real imagination shows itself present in the film). As you can tell there is little action in the film. you are right. there is only the beginning gunfight and the end gunfight, leaving you with nothing interesting to watch for a good hour and 15 minutes. If that gap between gunfights were filmed with interesting characters and build up, that would be fine. but you get none of the here. You'll be bored to tears throughout the picture and you will cringe at some of the circus stuff that goes on in the film. I see the film as an endurance test. The circus clowns in the movie seem to be mocking you, to see how long you will endure this torture.

The Actors

Terence Hill: Hill is fine as clint eastwood errrrr...I mean Cat stevens, the lone cynical gunslinger. He did the same role better in the previous film "Ace High" though.

Bud Spencer: plays the same lovable brute he plays in every damn movie.

Woody Strode:..............................................................


Lionel Stander: does virtually nothing in this film. He doesnt even fight during the gunfight at the end. And he does NOTHING to escape the "creepy somewhat perverted old guy" image he has had in all his spaghetti westerns.


After thoughts:
For those who were eyeing the wild east dvd(though i am curious to see a decent transfer of this film.) dont get it. it aint worth it. no matter how much wild east boasts about there crisp transfer. They have a quote in the back saying "no spaghetti western fan should miss this". who the hell are they trying to fool?

the tagline of the movie was
"Boot Hill, where nobody died of natural causes."
...yeah.
Because they died of boredom.



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Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 15, 2007, 01:42:31 AM
Reading reviews at IMDB I have the impression that there's a problem with (one of) the american release(s)?  And that almost all the negative opinions stem from that fact. I have seen a italian spoken version with some in german snippets cut from the italian original theatrical release (I saw it at the time, but figure...) which make the running time over 90'. Some american viewer says at IMDB he can't see Terence Hill speaking in some scenes as there's no light: in my copy everything is crystal clear.
(A curious thing for italian viewers is that Buono's chief sidekick is played by Glauco Onorato who was the dubber for Bud Spencer: in the movie he doubles for Bud and himself!!).
Anyway, though not perfect, the movie is head, if not even shoulder, above the other two which bored me after a promising start.   

What does the Italian DB have to say about "Boot Hill"?

Also Titoli, I would re-watch "God Forgives..." because I think it was an excellent picture. Certainly the best of the series.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: titoli on July 15, 2007, 11:40:12 AM
http://www.spaghettiwestern.altervista.org/terence2.htm

Here it says that although well directed and well cast, is not the best of Colizzi's because the plot slows down in places, no good action, duel or shooting scenes.





Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: mike siegel on July 15, 2007, 04:51:58 PM
Great those contrary opinions. Would be nice discussions such things in a bar. Live action guarantedd and nooo boredom for sure :).

I'll always love that film. I stay with it: Colizzi got better every time. DIO PERDONA is good, different, a bit rough in it's style, not right there... AVE MARIA is great, yet too long. By COLLINA he learned, it is over 20 minutes shorter. And hey, plot? TITOLI e Italiano, non? Plot is for American reviewers who miss it during films initial release and when they become classics they forget about the story and rave about the style. And Colizzi's style is great. Extraordinary. See for me it's the other way around: I'M boored with suspensful revenge stories and tight scripts - seen it all in 30 years and most of the time much better. I think of Robert Ryan who said in 1969:


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: mike siegel on July 15, 2007, 05:01:20 PM
(had to make a break here, PC-problems..)

Ryan said (during shooting WILD BUNCH): 'all westerns are made. now it's only a question of style. and Peckinpah's style is extraordinary..'
I feel the same way, 'love Colizzi therefore. A film in which the leading man has no dialogue for 20 minutes? Brave. Forget about Colizzis plots. They're told with three lines. He's great at shooting 'scenes', like Hawks, who wasn't interested in plots. The motiv of the circus I like a lot, as in MERCENARIO beautifully included. Everything is a bit different here, the weird score which is unique (probably more jazzy than any other Western score). His duels and shootings are always non-cliche. I hate face-to-face duels, almost only Sollima and Leone did that good enough to get away with it.

Cool film, especially in a theatre, looks great on the screen.



Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 15, 2007, 09:53:58 PM
(had to make a break here, PC-problems..)

Ryan said (during shooting WILD BUNCH): 'all westerns are made. now it's only a question of style. and Peckinpah's style is extraordinary..'
I feel the same way, 'love Colizzi therefore. A film in which the leading man has no dialogue for 20 minutes? Brave. Forget about Colizzis plots. They're told with three lines. He's great at shooting 'scenes', like Hawks, who wasn't interested in plots. The motiv of the circus I like a lot, as in MERCENARIO beautifully included. Everything is a bit different here, the weird score which is unique (probably more jazzy than any other Western score). His duels and shootings are always non-cliche. I hate face-to-face duels, almost only Sollima and Leone did that good enough to get away with it.

Cool film, especially in a theatre, looks great on the screen.




I hated BOOT HILL. However with my recent of "God forgives..." (which I  very much enjoyed) I have been revisiting Colizzi's westerns. I want to get a decent transfer to watch BH on.

Ace High, I viewed just yesterday (my third view) and it is still too long and very dull in places.
I think most like this one the best because of Wallach's character. It reminds them of Tuco.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: titoli on July 16, 2007, 03:00:14 AM
Quote
TITOLI e Italiano, non?

Titoli è romano, by birth, like Leone and Morricone. Italiano by incident, like them.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 16, 2007, 03:17:11 AM
Titoli è romano, by birth,

But I suspect Titoli isn't the name your parents gave you ;D


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: titoli on July 16, 2007, 03:36:28 AM
Civis romanus sum.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: stanton on November 17, 2008, 02:27:04 PM
Colizzi is probably the most underrated SW director.

The most stylish director after Leone and Corbucci (when he had put his mind to his films).

I was always surprised that so many fans really call Boot Hill one of the worst SWs. Is this only due to cut full frame versions, or is it really that difficult to appreciate the qualities of Boot Hill?

I agree excactly with everything Mike Siegel has said about Boot Hill and the other 2 Colizzi westerns.

The best of the trilogy and of course in my SW Top 20.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: mike siegel on November 18, 2008, 04:07:35 AM
Stanton,

being a maverick is a way of life,
but in company it is more fun after all :)

Good taste you got. Where are you from?
Or do we know each other already?

But I think to (really) appreciate the 4 Colizzis (incl. PIU FORTE RAGAZZI!)
one must see them in best possible condition. Uncut, Widescreen (!), rich colors and
not dubbed in Englisch. I just worked on a new German DVD for DIO PERDONA - IO NO
that represented the film for the very first time the way it was released in 69 (over here
in Germania): as a dead serious 'Django' - entry. It was a debut film and for that it
is great and certainly more original and innovative than 90% of the rest of
Italian output of that time.

But BOOT HILL is just very special.

(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1612/7186524/18401737/318837785.jpg)


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: stanton on November 18, 2008, 06:08:10 AM
Yeah, I think we have much in common, as if I had to reduce my island films to only one, it would be ... The Wild Bunch.

He he, and if I had too chose an SW avatar I would have taken the same as yours. I like this special film still very much. Il mercenario is one of the great SW masterpieces, but not acknowledged as such by all fans. Which still puzzles me.

God Forgives. You were involved in the latest german release, or you will do another release (the perfect release?) in the near future?
I still have the Jewel Edition which is not perfect but good enough to enjoy. And as much as I have read, the latest release is not a great improvement, but preferable if you don't own the older release.

What about an uncut release of Boot Hill? There seems to be an italian version which is even longer than the extended german DVD.

But Colizzi made 5 films before his premature death. Yes?

I know the Spencer/ Hill one but haven't seen it for a long time. I'm remembering it as their best next to the the ones by E.B. Clucher.

The 5th I have never seen. It is a Spencer/Hill like comedy without Bud and Terence?



Oh and I'm also from Germany.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: mike siegel on November 18, 2008, 08:29:50 AM
Yeah, I think we have much in common, as if I had to reduce my island films to only one, it would be ... The Wild Bunch.
ah, my favorite film :) But I would refuse to go to the island. Would need Rio Bravo, Easy Rider and a few others first :)

He he, and if I had too chose an SW avatar I would have taken the same as yours. I like this special film still very much. Il mercenario is one of the great SW masterpieces, but not acknowledged as such by all fans. Which still puzzles me.
Yes. I never could understand why COMPANEROS could be rated as good (or better ;).

God Forgives. You were involved in the latest german release, or you will do another release (the perfect release?) in the near future? Well, it is a cheap label, but I tried nevertheless to do as much as possible and it worked. The film is in sync now (finally) the subtitles are translated right this time, I made an 8-page booklet and threw in all extras I got: the rare 1969 'Django-trailer' and galleries with scarce first release material from all over the world. DVD looks good too, artwork is o.k., what more can you wish? (Brandnew HD transfer, i know..:)
I still have the Jewel Edition which is not perfect but good enough to enjoy. And as much as I have read, the latest release is not a great improvement, but preferable if you don't own the older release.

What about an uncut release of Boot Hill? There seems to be an italian version which is even longer than the extended german DVD.  Owned by 'cheap labels' again :( Maybe someday, I'm tied up right now with my own films..

I know the Spencer/ Hill one but haven't seen it for a long time. I'm remembering it as their best next to the the ones by E.B. Clucher.  Absolutely. ZWEI HIMMELHUNDE is just great. Love it. (Extended version possible, hopefully next year)

The 5th I have never seen. It is a Spencer/Hill like comedy without Bud and Terence?
I saw that one 26 years ago. Not as good. But you can't make 5 great films in a row! Only Sergio can, and Sam & Kubrick :)



Oh and I'm also from Germany. Which town?


(http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1612/7186524/16445514/263275780.jpg)


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: stanton on November 18, 2008, 09:45:06 AM
1. Companeros has many brillant scenes which belong to the best in any SW, but ... but it has also several sloppy scenes and is in general more shallow than Il mercenario and Il grande silencio.
There was the potential for another masterpiece, but it seems that Corbucci was no longer interested to get the best out of a project.

2. Hmm, looks nice this new God Forgives DVD, and cheap it is also ...  maybe I'll buy it just for fun.

3. I live in a small town near Marburg. "Hessisch Sibirien" some say about Nordhessen, but thanks to all the students, Marburg saves the region for me.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: The Firecracker on November 18, 2008, 10:05:07 AM
Yes. I never could understand why COMPANEROS could be rated as good (or better ;)


It has a lot to do with the fact that Companeros is more accessible to the American public (there is a vast majority of SW lovers over here) than its cousin Il Mercenario.

I agree that the first of Corbucci's zapata trilogy (The third film being the not often seen What Am I doing In The Middle Of The Revolution?, which is good but very sloppy) is the best.


Stanton, you've convinced me.
I'll have to pick up a better copy of Colizzi's third western.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: O'Cangaceiro on November 18, 2008, 10:58:29 AM
Yes. I never could understand why COMPANEROS could be rated as good (or better ;)


It has a lot to do with the fact that Companeros is more accessible to the American public (there is a vast majority of SW lovers over here) than its cousin Il Mercenario.

I agree that the first of Corbucci's zapata trilogy (The third film being the not often seen What Am I doing In The Middle Of The Revolution?, which is good but very sloppy) is the best.


Stanton, you've convinced me.
I'll have to pick up a better copy of Colizzi's third western.

I think that, in addition of the good roles of Nero and Milian, the Morricone score was key for Compañeros' success. I speculated recently that, had Long live your death a good Morricone score, it may have become more successful despite of its many moronic scenes.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: stanton on November 18, 2008, 12:30:50 PM
I think that, in addition of the good roles of Nero and Milian, the Morricone score was key for Compañeros' success.

But the score is great in both films!

And for me Milian's overacting is one of the problems of the film, whereas Musante gives a restraint and well balanced performance. Palance, who was fantastic in Il mercenario, is also clearly over the top, but somehow it doesn't hurt the film.

At least Il mercenario is the only one of the great spags who hasn't got a decent DVD release (except from Italy and the expensive japanese DVD), and the cut fullscreen versions around also don't help very much in building a reputation.
But the announced Koch DVD will change a lot.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: O'Cangaceiro on November 18, 2008, 01:00:03 PM
But the score is great in both films!

And for me Milian's overacting is one of the problems of the film, whereas Musante gives a restraint and well balanced performance. Palance, who was fantastic in Il mercenario, is also clearly over the top, but somehow it doesn't hurt the film.

At least Il mercenario is the only one of the great spags who hasn't got a decent DVD release (except from Italy and the expensive japanese DVD), and the cut fullscreen versions around also don't help very much in building a reputation.
But the announced Koch DVD will change a lot.

Stanton, I agree with your comments. However, I was comparing Compañeros with Viva la Muerte...Tua (Long Live Your Death), not with Il Mercenario  ;).


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: Dust Devil on June 21, 2009, 03:32:50 AM
The beginning (from start to the part when Hill and Spencer meet) is actually very good, but unfortunately La collina degli stivali later turns into just another mediocre SW with no regard for its own potential. I guess they did too much experimenting for it to be good for general taste, although one can easily sense there was sort of a noble idea around it. I'm thinking the director had too much of everything and at one point got carried away thinking he was gonna do who knows what, a great and very complex W, or something... and we all know a man's got to know his limitations. I think the mistake he payed most costly is the lack of a leading role; I confess at some point I was really thinking why do I have to watch Lionel Stander having such an extensive role. Still, LCDS has a couple of great scenes, there's a lot of happy smiling well known faces around, the set and costume design is here I'd say at the very peak of SW standards, and in the end the whole story is interesting enough to make you survive till the end.


(around) 6/10


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: stanton on June 21, 2009, 06:56:06 AM
Well, at least, you don't hate Boot Hill.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: cigar joe on June 21, 2009, 06:56:35 AM
Other than the main theme I don't recall any memorable stick in your head cuts out of Companero's, I'll have to re watch with the score in mind.

But I'll agree The Mercenary is not very accessible in the US (no DVD release), but recently TCM showed it but I believe it was at 1AM or so.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: Dust Devil on June 21, 2009, 02:17:00 PM
Well, at least, you don't hate Boot Hill.

I don't.

And I forgot to add: the whole circus thing was, to my surprise, done very well. They didn't overuse it or make a laughter out of it.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: stanton on June 22, 2009, 08:53:44 AM
Yes, for me all these circus scenes are magnificent.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: mike siegel on June 23, 2009, 03:56:13 AM
DUST DEVIL, I agree in general with your opinion!
Although I such a big fan.

But I saw and see genre films always in relation: as for this genre, out of 700- 800 films shot during
a period of some 20 years, SO MUCH crap was produced. And some of that crap is still nice to watch,
when your sick of watching TV or you don't want to see the TOP 20 again (for the 12th time).

So in comparison to what showed up in terms of talent during that period, I rate Colizzi very very high.
He was over-ambitious from the start! It shows with the uncut DIO PERDONA - IO NO! Ii IS too long.
But I rather see a slow DIO PERDONA for all it's style, atmosphere, actors and faces than any of Castellari
for instance.

Also Colizzi made his trilogy very fast - less than 30 months for three films!
So what didn't work in the end regarding the scripts or whatever, he compensated
with very good direction in terms of visual film making. My girlfriend is a good test audience there
for me: when she takes a look a 80% of my SW collection, she giggles!
When she looks at the Leone films, some of the Corbuccis and Sollimas or the Colizzis, she only laughs at the jokes -
never at the phoney actors, bad costumes stupid dialogues or cheap settings. Because there aren't many in those films.






Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: titoli on June 23, 2009, 07:28:48 AM
My girlfriend is a good test audience there
for me: when she takes a look a 80% of my SW collection, she giggles!
When she looks at the Leone films, some of the Corbuccis and Sollimas or the Colizzis, she only laughs at the jokes -
never at the phoney actors, bad costumes stupid dialogues or cheap settings. Because there aren't many in those films.

What's her reaction to Petronis?


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: stanton on June 23, 2009, 12:06:52 PM
Maybe she falls asleep as Petroni is only a routine director without flair.



Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: mike siegel on June 23, 2009, 03:41:27 PM
Oh no...

She liked TEPEPA. (I restored it on DVD, the German version was cut by some 45 minutes!)
And I like DA UOMO A UOMO a lot.

Two of the TOP 25 for my money!

Her favorites are MY NAME IS NOBODY, OUATITW, TRINITY IS STILL MY NAME.

This evening I showed her FOD for the very first time. It's hard for
her to imagine the impact it had 44 years ago.
She liked the noise of the cat a lot :)



Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: stanton on June 24, 2009, 01:35:21 AM
I like Tepepa too, but I think Damiani would have been the better director. The quality of Tepea is founded in the screenplay. Petroni doesn't waste it, but he also doesn't add very much. The final action sequence is e.g. a rather lousy one.

He he, I have also a "restored" German version with German subs for the Italian only parts, but it's not your reconstruction.

Da uomo a uomo on the other hand is the most overrated of all well-known SWs. Still not a bad one, but there are about 70 better SWs.

The other Petroni westerns are so so, even Provvidenza isn't too bad.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: mike siegel on June 24, 2009, 08:23:22 AM
Yes. But Damiani wasn't there unfortunately.

Ok, I'll watch UOMO again over the weekend, didn't see it for years. Can't wait for my reaction :)


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: Dust Devil on June 24, 2009, 01:05:02 PM
DUST DEVIL, I agree in general with your opinion!
Although I such a big fan.

But I saw and see genre films always in relation: as for this genre, out of 700- 800 films shot during
a period of some 20 years, SO MUCH crap was produced. And some of that crap is still nice to watch,
when your sick of watching TV or you don't want to see the TOP 20 again (for the 12th time).

So in comparison to what showed up in terms of talent during that period, I rate Colizzi very very high.
He was over-ambitious from the start! It shows with the uncut DIO PERDONA - IO NO! Ii IS too long.
But I rather see a slow DIO PERDONA for all it's style, atmosphere, actors and faces than any of Castellari
for instance.

Also Colizzi made his trilogy very fast - less than 30 months for three films!
So what didn't work in the end regarding the scripts or whatever, he compensated
with very good direction in terms of visual film making. My girlfriend is a good test audience there
for me: when she takes a look a 80% of my SW collection, she giggles!
When she looks at the Leone films, some of the Corbuccis and Sollimas or the Colizzis, she only laughs at the jokes -
never at the phoney actors, bad costumes stupid dialogues or cheap settings. Because there aren't many in those films.

Sorry to be late on the answer but I'm very busy these days :)


I agree with what you say: in the sea of mediocre and for fans only SW crap the Italian film industry produced back in those days this movie/trilogy certainly stands out. The fact is, although I gave it a (around) 6 I sort of liked it; as a whole it didn't ring the bell, that's true, but various aspects of it (sets, costumes, ideas, complex story, ensemble cast, etc.) although crude-looking undoubtedly have value. I forgot to mention in my previous post this is the only one in the trilogy I didn't see when I was a kid, so maybe that's the answer to why I wasn't blown away; the other two are great in my mind with all their flaws, because I grew up watching them, so naturally I was expecting this one to be also when I first saw it in the early 00s. That was obviously a tough mission.

But this what you're saying is very interesting, that he made that trilogy in only 30 (!) months. I didn't know that. What's the back-story behind that (if you know)?

After the success of the first they wanted him to make the more movies he could with Hill and Spencer, in short time, before his 'directorial/beginner's luck' and excitement about the entertaining duo runs out? This sounds like the possible scenario of what happened. If so it's a great pity, I also think he could have made something great if he had the time to work calmly.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: mike siegel on June 24, 2009, 03:34:21 PM
Oh no.
he was his 'own man'.
But back then films were produced much faster than today.
I mean even Leone did three in three years. And has wasn't the fastest film maker :)
Leone is reported to have called himself Colizzis mentor. He realized that Colizzi
had a similar taste in visual film making. And he learned him a lot during the editing
of GBU. (DIO PERDONA is in a way a copy of GBU. The shooting title was  IL CANE, IL GATTO, IL VOLPE.
(The dog, the cat, the fox) - three guys fighthing for a treasure of gold :)

Colizzi just had a ball when he started directing. He was already 40 when he did his first film (DIO PERDONA IO NO!) so I guess
he didn't want to waste time. And he & Hill & Spencer hit it off immediately.
Hill replaced Peter Martell during shooting when Martell broke his foot during a fight with
his girlfriend in their hotel room! And Spencer only took the job (he was doing well in Rome
doing promo-related stuff for TV after his carreer as swim-star and occasional jobs
as song writer) because Colizzi bugged him to do it: Colizzi couldn't anybody heavy AND athletic.

Colizzi loved Wallach in GBU - so he cast him in IL QUATTRO DELL'AVE MARIA.
He loved Lionel Stander & Woody Stroode in OUATITW, so he cast them in COLLINA DEGLI STIVALI!
Of all directors, Colizzi was the closest one to Leone.

Anyway, it wasn't uncommon to produce those films very fast. But some show the short production time, some don't! Like Colizzis.
Although they have their flaws - and maybe would have been even better with more working time
added to the schedule - they have the certain quality I expect to see in a good film.

When Spencer/Hill worked for two years with Barboni, Colizzi started preparing their first contemporary film -
PIU FORTE, RAGAZZI!. A big extravaganza. Shot in Columbia of all countries! I love that film. (partly
because I'm into aviation maybe). It's not very popular in the US / UK. Like IL MERCENARIO, that
kind of syndrom...

Colizzi then did a similiar film with Keith Carradine & Tom Skerritt. I understand
his health wasn't the best. He would have done more with Hill / Spencer for sure, but he died at the age of 53 in 1978.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: Dust Devil on June 25, 2009, 01:17:56 AM
Thanks for the info @Mike, mighty interesting (as always) ! O0

But it's ironic that both he and Sergio Leone died relatively young. I'm not saying Colizzi was as good as Leone but he certainly could have made some good movies after, as he showed he definitely had potential. Più forte, ragazzi! (Hill and Spencer with airplanes in the Amazonas) I haven't seen in a long time, but I remember liking it a great deal. Arrivano Joe e Margherito and Switch (never heard of them until now to be honest) are getting lousy ratings on IMDb, so I doubt I'll ever search for them.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: mike siegel on June 25, 2009, 04:18:23 AM
Yes..
Great loss.  Like my #1 Peckinpah they died much too young. And left us with the (partly) awful 80's crap.

Thinking about it, I'll go and check ARRIVANO JOE E MARGHERITO again. Maybe it isn't that bad at all.
PIU FORTE was soo good, it would be tragic the the follow up wouldn't be at least 50% of that one..

PIU FORTE was a tremendous hit in Germany, (Papillon was #1 that year, followed by PIU FORTE)
It was most important for Hil/Spencer to see where they were headin' after the Italo-Western sort
of ended. Colizzi made the best use of his stars, a great location, 'real' props and his usual visual
taste: it really plays best at a theatre. I saw it numerous times there (it played for over ten years
in German cinemas) and the scope fotography / composition is just great. Come to think of it,
I guess it was the last Hill/Spencer in scope!
The music (Flying through the air) made the Top10 single charts!


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: Novecento on June 25, 2009, 07:17:46 AM
Leone is reported to have called himself Colizzis mentor. He realized that Colizzi
had a similar taste in visual film making.

Interesting info. I agree that Colizzi's SW trilogy does have a nice visual style.

DIO PERDONA is in a way a copy of GBU. The shooting title was  IL CANE, IL GATTO, IL VOLPE.
(The dog, the cat, the fox) - three guys fighthing for a treasure of gold :)...
Colizzi loved Wallach in GBU - so he cast him in IL QUATTRO DELL'AVE MARIA.
He loved Lionel Stander & Woody Stroode in OUATITW, so he cast them in COLLINA DEGLI STIVALI!
Of all directors, Colizzi was the closest one to Leone.

I had always thought IL QUATTRO DELL'AVE MARIA was closer to GBU than DIO PERDONA... Maybe that was just Wallach's influence...


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: Dust Devil on June 25, 2009, 08:21:10 AM
Yes..
Great loss.  Like my #1 Peckinpah they died much too young. And left us with the (partly) awful 80's crap.

Thinking about it, I'll go and check ARRIVANO JOE E MARGHERITO again. Maybe it isn't that bad at all.
PIU FORTE was soo good, it would be tragic the the follow up wouldn't be at least 50% of that one..

PIU FORTE was a tremendous hit in Germany, (Papillon was #1 that year, followed by PIU FORTE)
It was most important for Hil/Spencer to see where they were headin' after the Italo-Western sort
of ended. Colizzi made the best use of his stars, a great location, 'real' props and his usual visual
taste: it really plays best at a theatre. I saw it numerous times there (it played for over ten years
in German cinemas) and the scope fotography / composition is just great. Come to think of it,
I guess it was the last Hill/Spencer in scope!
The music (Flying through the air) made the Top10 single charts!

I'll watch PFR one of these days, I watched some clips at YT and the nostalgia kicked me real hard O0

Arrivano Joe e Margherito you have on DVD or in another form? The DVD is around 15 €, I confess I'm not that brave.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: mike siegel on June 25, 2009, 11:48:17 AM
No, I haven't the DVD. I never was that brave too :)

Someone will give it to me to watch sooner or later. We know
a lot of people...

GBU - Colizzi:
QUATTRO too of course, yes. Colizzi LOVED GBU. He worked on 'serious b/w' 50's films
with Fellini, De Sica and so forth (great stuff), but when he watched Leone making GBU,
he knew what he really wanted to do!
Even PIU FORTE is GBU. Hill is always bringing Spencer to do stuff he doesn't want to do..
In fact Europe's most successful duo (Spencer/Hill) was therefore
based on GBU! That teasing / friendship stuff Colizzi took from GBU and used it with Hill / Spencer / Wolff,
them with Hill / Spencer / Wallach and from then on with Hill / Spencer alone. They did it for 20 years :)



Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: Dust Devil on June 26, 2009, 03:21:58 AM
I never connected that myself, because I always thought all movies (regardless of their genre) produced in Italy back in the 60s and 70s really influenced one another, in one way or another, but now that I think this what you're saying very much makes sense. Same with directors. Hill and Spencer, although their movies were not the peak of artistic creativity, ruled the (family) comedy scene in Italy, and they were also well known in most of Europe, so Colizzi certainly should be given credit for uniting them on screen. Besides, from time to time they really had a big hit, that was also a good movie (like Più forte, ragazzi! or about 10 years later Corbucci's Chi trova un amico, trova un tesoro).

In the end, as you say - those movies have a certain charm that makes you wanna watch them even when they're generally bad, out of curiosity if anything else, something that doesn't quite function with classic American movies (not even Ws).


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: Spikeopath on July 02, 2017, 02:03:54 PM
Utterly dreadful. Just watched and I would have to start drinking again before even considering chancing it again.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: mike siegel on July 02, 2017, 02:34:49 PM
A wonderful Colizzi. We need a Blu-ray tough...


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: stanton on July 02, 2017, 04:14:00 PM
I rewatched Boot Hill recently (again), it is such a beautiful and intelligent film.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: mike siegel on July 03, 2017, 03:35:32 AM
Yes it is :). Aren't we the lucky ones to appreciate it...


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: Spikeopath on July 03, 2017, 09:26:06 AM
Circus of horrors!

Boot Hill (La collina degli stivali), directed and written by Giuseppe Colizzi, starring Terence Hill, Woody Strode, Victor Buono, Bud Spencer, Lionel Stander and Eduardo Ciannelli. Music by Carlo Rustichelli and cinematography by Marcello Masciocchi.

A Technicolor/Techniscope production! Boot Hill is very much an acquired taste. One man's art canvas is another man's paper mache head, such is the case here with this messy, muddled Spaghetti Western, a pic that has strong fans and haters in equal measure.

Personally I hated it, it was 90 minutes of motion sickness and staccato editing, with a musical score veering from plains driving grandeur to acid induced circus shrills. Cast are fine enough, though there's dubbing for dubbing's sake, while an extended over acted barroom brawl at finale is a fun time at least, but really it has to be your thing to enjoy as a whole.

A bowl of spaghetti sieved through a kaleidoscopic colander. 1/10


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: stanton on July 03, 2017, 01:36:02 PM
Spike, that's a shocking rating.

You really should rewatch it, this film has so much to offer. One of the best directed Spags, and it has a magnificent brooding atmosphere, and it is also the most musically structured Spag, it feels like an improvisation over defined themes, and it surely is also one of the political Spags. Even the mute can speak.
Not without flaws, but the merits blow them away.  That strange saloon brawl at the end is very odd, but I love every scene with the clowns and all the dancing. Must be felt.



Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: mike siegel on July 03, 2017, 04:28:12 PM
I'll never stop admiring your missionary way of trying to persuade people to like certain art :).
You'd be a great teacher / professor I feel.

I stopped doing that in the 90s. It is like trying to tell Rap-fans how great Dixieland-jazz can be :).

PS: I'm about to purchase a 1970 first release ADRIA print! We'll find a theater next year and meet for the screening...



Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: Spikeopath on July 04, 2017, 08:26:45 AM
Spike, that's a shocking rating.

You really should rewatch it, this film has so much to offer. One of the best directed Spags, and it has a magnificent brooding atmosphere, and it is also the most musically structured Spag, it feels like an improvisation over defined themes, and it surely is also one of the political Spags. Even the mute can speak.
Not without flaws, but the merits blow them away.  That strange saloon brawl at the end is very odd, but I love every scene with the clowns and all the dancing. Must be felt.

I'd rather jab myself in the eyes with hot forks than watch it again  >:(


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: stanton on July 04, 2017, 02:33:27 PM


PS: I'm about to purchase a 1970 first release ADRIA print! We'll find a theater next year and meet for the screening...



That would be nice, and lets combine it with Il mercenario. But I doubt that I will find the time.


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: Novecento on July 05, 2017, 04:49:39 AM
PS: I'm about to purchase a 1970 first release ADRIA print!

ADRIA being a German film distributor?

Spike, that's a shocking rating.

You really should rewatch it...

Personally, I remember the intro being very strong, but I haven't seen it in a long time.



Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: mike siegel on July 05, 2017, 06:52:36 AM
Yes, ADRIA re-released about 50% of the Italian western in Germany. Beautiful posters :).

The "intro" is great indeed. Can't remember how it takes until Hill speaks, feels like 15 minutes.
The film is fascinating for people who are a bit more interested in directing/staging/composing/new ideas
than the regular movie lover who is slightly tied up to the average western formulas. Also, like KILL BILL
who has not much of a story, it is almost a bible to learn where to put the camera, framing etc. etc.
Personally I couldn't care less about PLOT. All stories have been told many times long time ago (and
mostly better by the old masters like Ford, Wellman, Wyler and so many others). I want to see interesting
films done by people with skills and taste that make me want to see' em again and again :).


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: cigar joe on July 06, 2017, 07:47:30 AM
Never seen it but judging from the wide disparity of reviews I'd check out a Youtube or Dailymotion of it first are there any online versions?


Title: Re: La collina degli stivali aka Boot Hill (1969)
Post by: cigar joe on July 09, 2017, 09:43:03 PM
Never seen it but judging from the wide disparity of reviews I'd check out a Youtube or Dailymotion of it first are there any online versions?

Not my cup of tea either.