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Title: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: cigar joe on October 13, 2005, 08:30:57 PM
Bad Man's River (1971) Rented this VHS tape, just because it was there and I told myself I should take a look,  Lee Van Cleef, James Mason, Gina Lollobrigida, Eduardo Fajardo, Gianni Garko, Aldo Sambrell

Sort of a comedy western with a chorus singing along with the action I'm sure some of you here will absolutely adore it (banjo here your cue), lol, have at it I say, definitely a cut slightly above Captain Apache, it even has a toy steamboat shot to represent a real one. Thumbs down from me.


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: cigar joe on October 15, 2005, 06:12:29 AM
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It's amusing for Sartana/Sabata fans to see LVC and Garko together, and can be entertaining if you have a high threshold of tolerance for silly, but for Leone-Lovers  it's certainly not recommended.  I thought I told you, joe, that unless an astonishingly good copy crossed your path astonishingly cheaply, you shouldn't bother.   


I know, I know, lol, but I have this rental place where I can get 3 films for three nights for $4.95 and the other two were Italian horror flick "I'm Not Scared", and spy spoof "Modesty Blaise"  ;D


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: Banjo on October 19, 2005, 06:26:58 AM
C'mon Cigar Joe,can you honestly put Bad Mans River or Captain Apache which i totally agree are  CRAP in the same bracket as the movies we have had a difference of opinion over?
I'm on the same side as you regarding promoting SW's that i've seen and  feel passionately about in terms of quality and enterntainment.
I'm not a huge fan of Blindman(still pretty good- by the way isn't the blind gunslinger concept a bit too UNrealistic for your often stated criteria?) but i agree wholeheartedly with the rest of your "A" list so we are not exactly poles apart just because i also happen to like Django,Navajo Joe etc.
One things for sure though,i definately would not waste my hard earned cash to rent such crud like Bad Mans River or Captain Apache when i can put it towards that next quality SW.There has been enough written about these 2 movies,Cigar Joe,to give you an inkling that they would not make your "A" list.


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: Banjo on December 18, 2005, 01:35:06 AM
I was just flicking through the Sky digital channel this morning whilst tucking into my brekkie when i stumbled upon Lee Van Cleef and Gianni Garko on Open Access 2(channel 262) starring in the somewhat less than good Bad Mans River in widescreen.Its being repeated at 2.10pm later on today so i'll be taping over my pan & scan copy!


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: indio on December 19, 2005, 01:58:48 AM
thanks banjo i got to see it. very fast paced.


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: Banjo on December 19, 2005, 06:38:09 AM
Its probably not quite as dreadful as people say it is although for a comedy its pretty unfunny.I only watched the beginning of it yesterday,but left it recording,and i do find the constant freeze frames annoying and LVC waltzing with another man hard to take-no homophobia intended but it is rather embarrasing and uncool to say the least.Lots of people have found the storyline unfathomable but funnily enough i don't remember having a problem in this respect.Definately a SW for completists only i'd say!


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: indio on December 19, 2005, 12:07:08 PM
yeah i'd agree with that. its not great but i'm glad i watched it.


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: Marco Leone on December 24, 2005, 10:24:08 AM
Good thing is they repeat stuff regularly so it should appear again!!  problem is they never advertise in advance, so i usually miss their films.   :'(



Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: Banjo on December 24, 2005, 11:00:06 AM
Yeau the only way around this is to look a week ahead on the sky guide using the remote!


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: Marco Leone on December 24, 2005, 11:23:48 AM
 :D Why didn't I think of that????


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: Banjo on December 24, 2005, 11:28:19 AM
I've been doing this to find out ITV4's SW every Sunday night,a week in advance.
Marco theres New Year TV Guides floating around apparently and do you know the 9th and final SW to be shown on New Years Day by any chance?


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: Marco Leone on December 24, 2005, 03:04:00 PM
No, I meant to have a look and forgot!  i'm betting on Great Silence.  Its sure to be a big one. 


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: Leone Admirer on December 25, 2005, 04:03:15 AM
On Sunday the 1st of Jan 2006 its Alex Cox introduces tonight's film Keoma, which follows on ITV 4. Hope this helps  :)


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: Banjo on December 25, 2005, 06:01:28 AM
I suppose its quite fitting to show probably the last true classic SW as the last in ITV4 great SW season!!


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: franksgrandson on May 09, 2006, 06:48:45 PM
When I first heard about this movie I thought to myself wow any flick with Lee Van Cleef and James Mason in it has got to be a bit of quality, well you know where thought got you.
This movie is bad and looks hacked to peices anyone know how bad it was butchered and if there was any point in filming it in the first place, it would be of intrest to know if the original screenplay was a half decent tale


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: The Firecracker on May 09, 2006, 06:52:03 PM
I have a nice widescreen copy of it and I say it is a fun comedy. I can see why some dont like it but I really enjoyed it. Lee Van Cleef is funny as hell in his comedic role(why this guy didnt go into comedy is beyond me). It is a fun little romp that doesnt make use of slapstick comedy like the other comedy spags do.
Gianni Garko as a dim witted gang member is also a plus.


I guess I went in with low expectations and came out really enjoying it. Perhaps I was surprised.


There is alot of good action scenes in the film as well. The western Ghost town that seems to pop out of nowhere is a wonderful action set piece. And there is a gatling gun!!!which is always welcome.


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: Banjo on May 10, 2006, 06:19:07 PM
I have a nice widescreen copy of it and I say it is a fun comedy. I can see why some dont like it but I really enjoyed it. Lee Van Cleef is funny as hell in his comedic role(why this guy didnt go into comedy is beyond me). It is a fun little romp that doesnt make use of slapstick comedy like the other comedy spags do.
Gianni Garko as a dim witted gang member is also a plus.


I guess I went in with low expectations and came out really enjoying it. Perhaps I was surprised.


There is alot of good action scenes in the film as well. The western Ghost town that seems to pop out of nowhere is a wonderful action set piece. And there is a gatling gun!!!which is always welcome.
Although LVC just about makes it watchable theres no doubt its his worst sw other than Gods Gun.


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: JamesK on July 19, 2006, 10:38:46 AM
This movie is bad and looks hacked to pieces.
Ah, that's too bad.  Great title, though!


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: Banjo on July 19, 2006, 11:33:31 AM
No, that would Stranger and the Gunfighter, Banjo :P
Both mine and Mrs Banjo's fave 1970's LVC sw ;)


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 19, 2006, 01:25:33 PM
Ah, that's too bad.  Great title, though!

why not find out for your self?
The reactions to it on this thread seemed a bit mixed anyway.


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 19, 2006, 01:27:11 PM
I once saw a decent Lee Van Cleef spaghetti called Barquero which this sounds a bit like. Warren Oates was in it too which helped the movie quite a bit.


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 19, 2006, 01:29:03 PM
I once saw a decent Lee Van Cleef spaghetti called Barquero which this sounds a bit like.

I see where your coming from. In Barquero LVC is a ferryman. But "Bad man's river" has little to do with a river. In fact by the late 2nd act the river is totally gone from the film.


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 19, 2006, 01:30:42 PM
I see where your coming from. In Barquero LVC is a ferryman. But "Bad man's river" has little to do with a river. In fact by the late 2nd act the river is totally gone from the film.

Oh, never saw Bad Man's River. But Barquero was pretty good. The ending with the showdown across the river was cool.


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 19, 2006, 01:37:16 PM
Oh, never saw Bad Man's River. But Barquero was pretty good. The ending with the showdown across the river was cool.

ahhhh dont tell me!
(covers eyes!)


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 19, 2006, 01:40:02 PM
ahhhh dont tell me!
(covers eyes!)

Oh I'm sorry Firecracker!  :-[

I thought you saw it.


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 19, 2006, 01:41:47 PM
Oh I'm sorry Firecracker!  :-[

I thought you saw it.

only the beginning. Sorry that I gave off the wrong impression. I dug my own grave as it were...

But also not just me but others on this site dont like to be spoiled either. namly BA.


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 19, 2006, 01:45:48 PM


But also not just me but others on this site dont like to be spoiled either. namly BA.

Me too. That's why I rarely ever post anything that would spoil a non-Leone film. I hate it when people just give away an entire ending to a movie. The Great Silence I was thrilled to see because I knew it would be a great movie but furious that I knew how it would end. No surprise there.


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: Banjo on July 20, 2006, 04:36:30 AM
Ah, that's too bad.  Great title, though!
Its a totally crap title and as Firecracker says the film has little to do with a river.


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: JamesK on July 20, 2006, 04:55:55 AM
Its a totally crap title and as Firecracker says the film has little to do with a river.
Thanks for sharing.   ::)


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: JamesK on July 20, 2006, 10:49:13 AM
the "best" in the sense of "most relevant to the plot" title for the movie is the Italian, which translates as "They just keep losing a million dollars".

Italian titles are always, at least from my perspective, the most entertaining when they're uncomfortably on the nose like that, or wildly poetic to the point where they have little bearing on the film at all.


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 20, 2006, 03:57:43 PM
Italian titles are always, at least from my perspective, the most entertaining when they're uncomfortably on the nose like that, or wildly poetic to the point where they have little bearing on the film at all.

Giu La Testa!


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 20, 2006, 08:48:06 PM
The main chars. spend basically the first 2/3s doing criminal stuff at various places along a river that runs through Texas and parts of Mexico, using a riverboat as their base of operations.  That kind of falls by the wayside in the third act, but it's still not quite as pointless a title as banjo makes it sound.  the "best" in the sense of "most relevant to the plot" title for the movie is the Italian, which translates as "They just keep losing a million dollars".

really?

I would say the third act is all about the battle.


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 20, 2006, 08:49:32 PM
Thanks for sharing.   ::)
are you always this hostile James?


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: JamesK on July 20, 2006, 09:09:19 PM
are you always this hostile James?
I'm going to assume that's a rhetorical question.


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 20, 2006, 09:11:21 PM
I'm going to assume that's a rhetorical question.

you see...

every time somebody doesnt agree with one of your views you go rather hostile on em. Some may hide what they think about your comments behind one of these emoticons (  ;D  or   ;)  or even   :P  ) but I'm just gonna come right out and say it.

like what was the point of that response to Banjo?
who cares if it sounds repetative? nobody else is complaining.


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 20, 2006, 09:20:45 PM
pm to Firecracker from JamesK...

"yes I'm always hostile when mouth-breathers like Banjo are around"

---James


....................................................................................................................

these types of comments are exactly what I'm talking about.


what was the purpose of sending an insult towards Banjo to me? did you not have the gall to tell that to him yourself? what am I supposed to do with it?


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 20, 2006, 09:40:26 PM
so what do ya know? I try to keep the peace by explaining to JamesK via pm that whatever Banjo did is done and over with and that they both should start fresh and anew...

here is what JamesK replied with...


"I didnt realize you two were lovers"
.........................................................................................................
real mature JamesK.

A gay joke! How clever of you sir.
you must be a real riot with the kids.
whats next? A "yo momma" joke?



Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 20, 2006, 09:56:24 PM
well Mr. K has now blocked me from sending personal messages to him. I guess the thought of a peaceful resolution frightened him (he would much rather argue I guess?).
Hopefully whatever Banjo said to him in the past can be forgotten and we can leave this nonsense behind us.
and hopefully mr.K will learn not to try and start an arguement for no reason.




Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 20, 2006, 09:57:40 PM
well Mr. K has now blocked me from sending personal messages to him. I guess logic frightened him.
Hopefully whatever Banjo said to him in the past can be forgotten and we can leave this nonsense behind us.




Peace Returns to Mimbres.   ;D


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: Banjo on July 21, 2006, 01:35:00 AM
are you always this hostile James?
I'm not used to reading about "having my face punched in" :-\ (true colours being shown here i think)
on this otherwise wonderful site no matter how provacative my comments were perceived about JamesK's Keoma review.He is of course entitled to his opinion about sw's but then so are the rest of us.JamesK as you've now deleted the topic ,for the record we ran a series of polls to ascertain the most popular sw's amongst Leone fans and Keoma i recall clocked in a top 10 placing(but i guess you missed this because you didn't have a publication to plug)-i rest my case.One other thing-my advice to you is to go out and buy a Joan Baez compilation ;D
Oh yes Mrs Banjo was very perplexed by the cowardly "gay lovers" comment .
Aggression,homophobia or any other forms of prejudice are not welcome on this site.


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: Arizona Colt on February 09, 2007, 02:30:30 PM
Bought this for $5.00. It's the british widescreen disc. I figured with all the mudslinging it receives, at $5.00 it couldn't be a total waste. After watching with another LVC fan neither of us could see what the hate is about. Not a great movie but still a fun little 84 minutes. The cast was great--Lee Van Cleef and Gianni Garko together! Then you had Aldo Sambrell and Eduardo Fajardo for the villains. Wasn't that Fernando Sancho as the mock priest?

There obviously was a bigger budget than was normally given to these movies around this time. Some nice matte shots involving the steamboat and the surrounding terrain. Maybe people can't except Van Cleef in anything but serious roles. I thought he did a fine job doing low key comedy. Like Bronson, it bothered Van Cleef that critics never took him seriously nor considered him a good actor. Here, he portrays a different kind of role and plays it well. It's a shame when an actor becomes stereotyped as a particular character (a character that is played extremely well) he is never accepted as anything else.

I probably would never have seen this if not for it being directed by Eugenio Martino who helmed the excellent horror-sci fi-action hybrid HORROR EXPRESS. The girls were beautiful and the ending was suitably humorous too.


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: The Firecracker on February 09, 2007, 02:37:53 PM
A fun film. The funniest frist ten minutes I have seen in a very long time.

The well timed freeze frames are a hoot.


Like "Captain Apache", I can't see why people hate this movie so much.


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: Arizona Colt on February 09, 2007, 02:39:51 PM
Haven't seen CAPTAIN APACHE. Luminous had some of those for $5 also but now they've went back up to $20 which is better than the $27. price offered from xploited.


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: The Firecracker on February 09, 2007, 02:43:51 PM
Haven't seen CAPTAIN APACHE. Luminous had some of those for $5 also but now they've went back up to $20 which is better than the $27. price offered from xploited.


The xploited one has better quality.

Mine is a beat up vhs transfer but still watchable.


A shame Van Cleef was never offered comical roles more often.
You can tell he had a lot of fun on BMR and CA.


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: Arizona Colt on February 09, 2007, 02:50:20 PM
The Luminous disc of both BMR and CA are the same discs as xploited. When I got mine it's possible it was used as there was no cellophane wrapper around the box. Either that or they had an abundance of the titles and needed to get rid of them.


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: The Firecracker on February 09, 2007, 02:52:16 PM
The Luminous disc of both BMR and CA are the same discs as xploited.


whoopsy dinkles.


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: Arizona Colt on February 09, 2007, 02:57:46 PM
HOO HA! :D


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: The Firecracker on February 09, 2007, 03:05:06 PM
(http://www.headinjurytheater.com/nw%20speedball%20hoo%20ha.jpg)


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: Arizona Colt on February 09, 2007, 03:07:17 PM
(http://www.headinjurytheater.com/nw%20speedball%20hoo%20ha.jpg)

NOT AGAIN!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 15, 2007, 02:14:48 AM
No, that would Stranger and the Gunfighter, Banjo :P

Nope, it would certainly be "Kid Vengeance"

(http://blogs.citypages.com/amadzine/images/kidvengeance1.jpeg)


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: Banjo on July 15, 2007, 03:25:04 PM
I guess that was predictable coming from a female FC considering the un-PC nature of STRANGER & THE GUNFIGHTER,but still Mrs Banjo thinks this is great too! O0



Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 15, 2007, 09:55:36 PM
I guess that was predictable coming from a female FC considering the un-PC nature of STRANGER & THE GUNFIGHTER,but still Mrs Banjo thinks this is great too! O0




Well I'm not a female (Sonny can vouch for me) and I disliked it as well but it's miles better than the film I mentioned in my last post.


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: Dust Devil on June 16, 2009, 08:38:53 AM

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068246/

http://www.spaghettiwestern.altervista.org/milione.htm

http://www.spaghetti-western.net/index.php/Bad_Man%27s_River


I don't understand if this paella-style Zapata Western was supposed to be a imitation or a mockery of the Spaghetti Western sub-genre, but it's so bad it should be considered a genre of its own. Directed by Eugenio Martín and starring many well known faces of cinema (and SWs in particular), it seems to possess a whole constellation of anti-elements (to its own pretentious dismay): simple but messy plot, poor directing, very bad editing, idiotic soundtrack, and weak performances, to name just the major ones. The action scenes are as bad as the jokes are not funny. Even otherwise authoritative and charming actors such as Lee Van Cleef or James Mason couldn't fight their way through this stinking mess, and LVC was even wearing a toupée...


I'll give it a 3/10 for two reasons only: the beautiful Gina Lollobrigida, and the rather big role of Aldo Sambrell.


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: Dust Devil on June 16, 2009, 08:42:30 AM
Some of the sets were really nice, I agree with that.


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: dave jenkins on August 10, 2015, 08:20:14 PM
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B012BUQPGY/ref=s9_newr_gw_d0_g74_i3?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=1XT33DRA8F8MN0G7MTDE&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=2079475242&pf_rd_i=desktop

After reading through this thread my curiosity is piqued and I'm definitely picking it up.


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: stanton on August 11, 2015, 02:22:16 AM
It's junk ... silly and not funny ...


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: cigar joe on August 11, 2015, 03:42:35 AM
It's junk ... silly and not funny ...

Agree.


Title: Re: Bad Man's River (1971)
Post by: dave jenkins on September 28, 2015, 12:01:55 PM
Hmmm: http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film5/blu-ray_reviews_69/bad_mans_river_blu-ray.htm