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Title: The Thing (1982)
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 23, 2003, 10:19:12 AM
I watched The Thing last night (again), and I noticed that Morricone performed the music, for the life of me I'd always thought Carpenter did the music himself as he usually does, it sounds just like his style.
The soundtrack is awesome and creates the mood of the whole film.
Does anyone know how Ennio came to perform the soundtrack instead of Carpenter?


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: cigar joe on April 23, 2003, 03:59:54 PM
Morricone, No kiding this is another of my favorite films, I'll have to watch it again soon.


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: Harmonica on April 23, 2003, 05:40:50 PM
You guys are kidding right?  The Thing is on my Top Ten (Well lets say top 20)  list of movies of all time...

http://www.theofficialjohncarpenter.com/data/movies/sounds/thscwier.wav (http://www.theofficialjohncarpenter.com/data/movies/sounds/thscwier.wav)
(http://www.theofficialjohncarpenter.com/data/movies/stills/thst01.jpg)

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John Carpenter is a HUGH Western Fan.  Infact alot of his infuluences are from Howard Hawks, John Ford, Sergio Leone.  Being a Leone fan one can't help to be an Morricone fan.  He asked Morricone to do the soundtrack and Morricone, in essence, "borrowed" Carpenters Sound....  The critics SLAMED Morricone at the time.   In fact he won a razzie (razzy) award that year for years worst soundtrack...  I watch it each time(about four time a year) and Love that Theme.  Infact I downloaded off of Napster some years ago...



Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: Harmonica on April 23, 2003, 05:57:48 PM
(http://www.theofficialjohncarpenter.com/data/movies/music/thsoco.jpg)

1. Humanity (Part I) (6:50)
2. Shape (3:15)
3. Contamination (1:02)
4. Bestiality (2:56)
5. Solitude (5:58)
6. Eternity (5:35)
7. Wait (6:22)
8. Humanity (Part II) (7:15)
9. Sterilization (5:12)
10. Despair (4:58)
 
 
  Music Composed and Conducted by Ennio Morricone
Album Produced by Ennio Morricone
 
       


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: shorty larsen on April 24, 2003, 01:31:58 PM
The Thing is also one of my favourite movies. Im' trying to download it from Kazaa right know without any succes.

The movie is vaguely based on a H.P. Lovecraft excelent book. I don't remember the title right now but I'll have it for you later.

You have to read the book because it is really excelent.

Morricone's music was under rated for a long time. He never won an Oscar (maybe the proove that he's the best!!!!). It's not the first time that Morricone did a terror movie soundtrack, he had a lot of expierence making Dario Argento and other guys "gothic horror" movies.


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: shorty larsen on April 24, 2003, 01:45:36 PM
Ok, I found it on the John Carpenters official website    http://www.geocities.com/j_nada/carp/thing.html    

The movie was indeed inspired by the H.P. Lovecraft novel "In The Mouth of Madness", wich I recomend you all to read.


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: shorty larsen on April 24, 2003, 01:47:23 PM
More information on     http://www.geocities.com/j_nada/carp/interview/theyliveretro.html    

"Since the screenplay was the product of so many sources: a short story, a comic book, and input from cast and crew, Carpenter decided to use the pseudonym, "Frank Armitage," a subtle allusion to one of the filmmaker's favourite writers, H.P. Lovecraft. Frank Armitage is in fact a character in Lovecraft's "The Dunwich Horror." Carpenter has always felt a close kinship with Lovecraft's worldview and his influence can be felt in other Carpenter films -- most notably, The Thing (198?) and In The Mouth of Madness (1995). According to Carpenter, "Lovecraft wrote about the hidden world, the world underneath. His stories were about gods who are repressed, who were once on Earth and are now coming back. The world underneath has a great deal to do with They Live" (Swires 43). "



Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: visitor on April 24, 2003, 03:54:42 PM
   

The movie was indeed inspired by the H.P. Lovecraft novel "In The Mouth of Madness", wich I recomend you all to read.
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Carpenter's IN THE MOUTH OF MADNESS was from Lovecraft-THE THING was from a story by John Campbell, called WHO GOES THERE, previously filmed by Howard Hawks.

THE THING works best as an AIDS allegory, virus/alien spread through infected blood in an all male enclave; but as such, it would probably not be able to be made today.


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: Jon on May 01, 2003, 01:22:25 PM
Certainly an excellent film,it was criticised when it came out for it's gruesome effects but the best thing about the film is the tension,which is amazing.O,and the score,which is another example of Morricone's diversity.The soundtrack CD has a lot of good music that was not in the film,shame.

The DVD of this film is excellent,with a really good commentary by Carpenter and Russell.


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: Christopher on May 04, 2003, 07:36:29 PM
This is a good movie. A worthy remake for once. I've seen the original, and it's pretty good, but this one stands on it's own.

It's been a little while since I've seen it, so I don't recall too much about the music in it. :-\


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: Brendan on May 16, 2003, 10:17:59 PM
This is one of my favourite John Carpenter movies (Escape From New York and Halloween being my favourite above it, and Big Trouble in Little China coming behind it) and I loved the tension Carpenter built around the movie.

The isolation, few people, the cold, no where to go. It was done very well.

The music by Morricone, while not alot of it in the movie, was done very well. It did its job of being terrifying when it had to be and, while its not as good as the Man With No Name trilogy, its still decent.


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: KERMIT on May 25, 2003, 09:27:42 PM
invation of the body snatchers/  both vertions
the thing / both vertions
alien  (original olny)

the thread these films come from is based on one great idea.

things get persnikity. nowhere to run. it's getin colder. who can you trust ?  this thing/alien is smart and pissed off !  w/ alien 1  & thing 2 there is a prevailing feeling you don't know whats gonna pop outta  someone you trusted a second ago. or what new kind of creature will manifest it's self unlike alien's one bad-ass acid bleeder.
you got your terror.   >:(
org. thing  was sort a summing up the situation that the commies are coming, the commies are coming. joe mccarthy was the real creature and in "tailgunner joe" peter boil is at his best.  the org. thing was the mother of all sci-fi plots. it changed things.
alein & thing 2 have a lot in common.
both send out expeditions.
the  crew must rush to quarantine themselves against what used to be a trusted buddy. carpenter inserts creepy characters to play on our paranoia.  alien 1 comes from j. hurts belly. thing 2 a german shepard. ie. before the blood test.
aliien had the creature in a haunted haunted space ship devised by  h.r. geiger. (?)
alien, after killing off the crew one by one  lets   s. weaver slip through its claws  clearing the decks for it's sequel.

not so w/ carpenter. w/ thing 2. crew  mutated  then mutilated, again, as in alien, one by one. ,and by which  fellow member ? old doc ? played by wilford brimley ?

have you, or have you not ever been a member of the alien/communist party ?

 my fav. scene in thing 2 is the blood test macready administers.   there's no guessing.    just paranoia/tension.      and more paranoia/tension.  
thing '51 diologue sharp as a razor.    hawks inspired.
thing 2.  all perish in the end.  not so happy.  a sort of last house on the left from outter space.  
don seigal's vertion of IOTBS in the same vein but the wrong arm.  carpenter, together w/ morricone's creepy score, leaves you walking around in a daze 20 minites after you exit the theater.  now your talkin' very scary stuff.              BOO!!  :o
kermit


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: aaronson on June 19, 2003, 07:57:12 AM
 


THE THING works best as an AIDS allegory, virus/alien spread through infected blood in an all male enclave; but as such, it would probably not be able to be made today.


Recent SRAS epidemy awoke our fear .
But during the "cold" war the signification of these films was easy: even your family could be infected by Red ideas: kill them quickly !
So the Thing is marvellous also because it's a very modern film and far of this problematic.

For example Ferrara failed shooting a sort of "Body snatcher"  including that old speech.(I like Ferrara others films)    


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: aaronson on June 25, 2003, 03:09:37 AM
One of the interest of our marvellous website is that it pushes others films.
So I bought " The Thing" DVD and projected it from my Video  Projector .

Trust me, alone in the night , face to a  very large screen,I feeled  something like ... fear . :-[


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: KERMIT on June 25, 2003, 06:18:51 PM
carpenter's thing ****
thing from another world *****
even w/ out the special effects cristian nyby had the tight direction, the deliberate pacing- not to mention exceptional performances by the entire cast.

carpenter's chameleonlike creature finishes off all inhabinents like one of his slasher movies.




Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: aaronson on July 08, 2003, 09:17:37 AM
Two tributes to Leone in this film:

First the music maker Ennio M.
Second ?  a detail , a small detail when the Doctor count the time for a cell intruder to imit a dog cell ?

Do you remember ?

What detail ?


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: The Smoker on October 14, 2003, 09:10:25 AM
I watched The Thing last night (again), and I noticed that Morricone performed the music, for the life of me I'd always thought Carpenter did the music himself as he usually does, it sounds just like his style.
The soundtrack is awesome and creates the mood of the whole film.
Does anyone know how Ennio came to perform the soundtrack instead of Carpenter?


There are 2 tracks where you can unmistakingly hear Carpenters Music.
Humanity (Part II) (7:15) has Carpenter synthesizer keyboard based rhythm section running the length of the track. This is the music from the opening scenes.
Its basicily 3 quarters Morricone, the last quarter when the loud organ type synthesizer solo kicks in, is Carpenter.  (In trademark horror overdrive)
Maybe there was a colaboration. I hope so. Even though the credits are given completely to Morrricone.

There is the other track that sounds like its just Carpenter, i think it could be 'Wait' ?

I think i need to listen to it again.





Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: COLONNA on December 23, 2003, 02:54:46 AM
Two tributes to Leone in this film:

First the music maker Ennio M.
Second ?  a detail , a small detail when the Doctor count the time for a cell intruder to imit a dog cell ?

Do you remember ?

What detail ?

He uses an old fashion watch , may be the same model than in FAFDM . Aaronson you seem obsessed by watches


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: Blueberry on April 13, 2004, 06:33:20 AM
Oh yes, the Thing.. just noticed this thread.. One of my first DVD purchases.. I too saw it on a projector on one of the walls of my apartment, and yes.. fear. And a feeling during the whole movie that this has got to go wrong. Like it's said in Se7en by Freeman:
"I have a feeling this is not going to have a happy ending.."
That's the feeling you get from Thing as well. And it's so beautifully shot.
Now, anyone knows if The Fog exists in a decent R2-version?


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: shorty larsen on April 13, 2004, 01:02:37 PM
Speaking about Lovecrafts tales turned into movies, M. Night Shyamalan had just finished "The Village", inspired in several Lovecraft tales.

The trailer is already available.


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: cigar joe on April 14, 2004, 04:10:57 PM
Lovecraft is great. Can't wait if it gets a decent treatment.


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: Blueberry on April 15, 2004, 01:14:27 AM
Is Mr. Night in better shape this year? Coz Unbreakable and Signs weren't anything to write home about... And what is it with John Carpenter? Why can't he direct another decent movie? He is living on the past... he should seek new inspiration from maybe oriental films -

"Ghosts of Mars".. jeeezz... Shape up, John!! :D


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: KERMIT on April 15, 2004, 08:43:01 AM
Is Mr. Night in better shape this year? Coz Unbreakable and Signs weren't anything to write home about... And what is it with John Carpenter? Why can't he direct another decent movie? He is living on the past... he should seek new inspiration from maybe oriental films -

"Ghosts of Mars".. jeeezz... Shape up, John!! :D
JC's next film ? holloween 9. you make a good point blueberry  .  is he getting old or what ?


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: Nobody on May 29, 2004, 03:54:22 AM
Halloween 9 will probably be awful, but probably a lot better than his recent efforts: Ghosts Of Mars, Vampires, and Escape From L.A.


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: The Smoker on May 29, 2004, 06:08:03 AM
On the Assault on Presinct 13 DVD theres a recording of a Carpenter film festival Q&A at the Chinese Theatre.

You here somebody ask him. "Why don't you make a western? Your films are modern takes on westerns or just carry influences."

Carpenter just said "No way. You have to clean up all that horse s%*t between takes"  ;D

he should seek new inspiration from maybe oriental films


Hes done that 'Big Trouble in Little China' my favourite movie as a kid. ive seen it proberly far to much.


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: Christopher on June 02, 2004, 01:27:01 PM
JC's next film ? holloween 9. you make a good point blueberry  .  is he getting old or what ?
Really??? I'm surprised by that. He hasn't had anything to do with any Halloween sequels in a long time.


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: shorty larsen on June 06, 2004, 03:42:14 AM
I bought The Thing DVD this month and I am extremely happy.

I had other priorities for dvd purchasing, but I don't regret it at all.

It is a great horror and science fiction movie.

Speaking of good horror movies I watched last night Brian de Palma's "Carrie" for the first time in many years and the ar some serious scary scenes....


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: Nobody on June 19, 2004, 04:15:56 AM
I am a huge DePalma fan, but I do enjoy most of his other thrillers more, such as Dressed To Kill, Obsession, Sisters, and Blow Out. Carrie is great in many ways, but I still regard it as slightly overrated.


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: Mw/NNrules on August 18, 2007, 07:52:01 PM
Lovecraft's a big influence on Carpenter, but I thought that Carpenter's take on Lovecraft on the whole wasn't too good. In The Mouth of Madness just didn't do it for me.


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on August 18, 2007, 08:32:43 PM
I'm a HUGE John Carpenter fan. I also think he's one of the most underrated director's of his time. He's made some great films, "The Thing" being one of them. It's FANTASTIC horror film. One of the best atmospheric films you will ever see. John Carpenter has a great knack for that. Rounding off is the a great score by Ennio Morricone making this one of the greatest horror films ever made.

Also, check out the original "The Thing From Another World" (1951). A classic of the genre.


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: Dust Devil on May 14, 2009, 10:24:22 PM
One thing has been bugging me a couple of days and can't find the answer... I'd have found it already, except I don't own a DVD of John Carpenter's TT...

In the first scene when the ''thing'' gets out from the dog, near the end of the scene, just before he gets torched, one part of him detaches from what's left of the 'dog' and two 'arms' reach for the sealing trying to escape. Now, do they burn that part of him with the rest or he escapes and comes back later? I seem to remember the characters getting infected by the rest of that Norwegian crew they returned with after the expedition, or by the rest of the poor dogs...

?


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: dave jenkins on May 15, 2009, 07:13:14 AM
I can't answer your question exactly, but the film makes it clear that the dog infects at least one of the members of the group before he is revealed and destroyed. He may have infected others, or the infection could have spread from the one infected man to others. It isn't necessary for any part of the dog to survive to spread the infection (although I don't remember if this is suggested or not).


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: Dust Devil on May 15, 2009, 08:48:25 AM
That's what I remember too. The dog infects one person, and then after Dr. Blair finds through his studies that the deformed body mass is not completely dead, one guy soon gets infected by the remains of that.

But, it seems that part of the monster I'm talking about gets away in the beginning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g5Txe8H6Z4 (at 4:54)

So, I don't understand, is it a bad cut, something went wrong during the shooting or just an error in the script?


From what I can remember that part of the monster never returns. Well, until the very end of the movie, when it's battling MacReady near the generator, but even then we can't be sure what part is it.

It is also unclear how Dr. Blair gets infected, it would be logical that he got infected while touching the infected flesh he was performing studies on, but then again it could be that part that got away that infected him...


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: Arizona Colt on May 15, 2009, 07:41:42 PM
You don't really need to know what part of the creature it is. As far as the characters (or the audience for that matter) know, everybody could be infected and the Thing seemed to do its thing when it was alone with a victim. The Thing was afraid of fire and when the humans hit it with the flamethrowers, it changed form yet again and escaped. The form it left behind could still infect others, though. It was never talked about whether or not burning the creature would TRULY kill it which is all the better because what the characters don't know, we don't know, either. The various incarnations of the creature represent various lifeforms the thing had taken over throughout its journey before ending up on Earth.


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: Dust Devil on May 16, 2009, 04:00:03 PM
You're actually wrong. :)

When MacReady is performing the tests with blood, he makes it clear there's one original part of the monster that will do anything to protect itself, while he refers to the other parts as common ''tissue'' (if I remember correctly). Not that it's clear how he got to that, but he says it.

But I partially agree with you, the movie takes on this with ease, it is not fully explainable, nor understandable from the events in the movie. The psychosis kicks in with its ''everything is possible'' tone.

I was just interested in that specific part.


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: Arizona Colt on May 17, 2009, 12:39:29 AM
You're actually wrong. :)

When MacReady is performing the tests with blood, he makes it clear there's one original part of the monster that will do anything to protect itself, while he refers to the other parts as common ''tissue'' (if I remember correctly). Not that it's clear how he got to that, but he says it.

But I partially agree with you, the movie takes on this with ease, it is not fully explainable, nor understandable from the events in the movie. The psychosis kicks in with its ''everything is possible'' tone.

I was just interested in that specific part.


Not sure what I'm wrong about as in the film multiple people are infected at one time, it was all a matter of knowing just who it was. Maybe I've misunderstood your query? All the creatures are part of the same thing. Such as when the blood hits the floor and the various droplets all scurry away followed by the infected human revealing its alien form, the docs head separating itself from the body and sprouting spider legs and making its exit, etc...

I haven't seen the film in a long time myself. A remake/sequel has been greenlit recently, or was still on the slate last I heard.


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: Dust Devil on May 18, 2009, 05:17:26 PM
Doesn't matter anymore, I've just watched the movie. It is as I feared; it is not explained.


Hopefully (or better - surely), if what you're saying is true, that will be fixed in the remake. Once we figure out the teen plot-subplot we can just sit back and enjoy the monster flick. Go home Carp.


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: Arizona Colt on May 18, 2009, 05:19:57 PM
Doesn't matter anymore, I've just watched the movie. It is as I feared; it is not explained.


Hopefully (or better - surely), if what you're saying is true, that will be fixed in the remake. Once we figure out the teen plot-subplot we can just sit back and enjoy the monster flick. Go home Carp.

I like it when not everything is explained leaving it up to the interpretation of the viewer and in this case, we know as much as the characters onscreen. I'm not too anxious for a remake/sequel, though. :P


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: Dust Devil on May 18, 2009, 05:22:35 PM
I was joking.


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: titoli on October 13, 2010, 01:28:41 PM
The Thing (1982) I should rewatch the original (maybe I will one of these days) but this could be even better. Anyway in my personal list of sci-fi horrors it comes just after Predator. 8\10


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: Dust Devil on October 13, 2010, 02:42:39 PM
Seems about right.


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: Arizona Colt on October 13, 2010, 02:50:40 PM
The upcoming prequel has been in the news a lot lately. They got some set pics, too...

http://www.joblo.com/arrow/index.php?id=23739


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: Dust Devil on October 20, 2010, 02:27:16 AM
The upcoming prequel has been in the news a lot lately. They got some set pics, too...

http://www.joblo.com/arrow/index.php?id=23739

This probably won't be worth 1/10 of Carpenter's flick... Prequel, it means the movie will focus on what happened to the Norwegians (Swedes) ?


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: Arizona Colt on October 20, 2010, 11:54:27 AM
This probably won't be worth 1/10 of Carpenter's flick... Prequel, it means the movie will focus on what happened to the Norwegians (Swedes) ?

Yes.


Title: Re: The Thing (1982)
Post by: dave jenkins on June 08, 2016, 02:21:30 PM
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Scream Factory, the horror-thriller offshoot of independent film distributor Shout Factory, has detailed its upcoming two-disc Collector's Edition of director John Carpenter's classic film The Thing. The release will be available for purchase on September 20.



 Special Features: •NEW 2K scan of the Inter-positive supervised and approved by director of photography Dean Cundey
• NEW 4.1 created from the original 70MM Six Track Dolby Stereo soundtrack
• NEW Audio Commentary with director of photography Dean Cundey
• NEW The Men of Outpost 31 - interviews with Keith David, Thomas Waites, Peter Maloney and more…
• NEW Assembling and Assimilation – an interview with editor Todd Ramsay
• NEW Behind the Chameleon – interviews with visual effects artists Peter Kuran and Susan Turner, special make-up effects artist Rob Burman and Brian Wade and more….
• NEW Sounds from the Cold – interviews with supervising sound editor David Lewis Yewdall and special sound effects designer Alan Howarth
• NEW Between the Lines – an interview with novelization author Alan Dean Foster
• Audio Commentary by director John Carpenter and actor Kurt Russell
• John Carpenter's The Thing: Terror Takes Shape – a documentary on the making of THE THING featuring interviews with John Carpenter, Kurt Russell, special effects make-up designer Rob Bottin, legendary matte artist Albert Whitlock plus members of the cast and crew (80 minutes – SD)
• Outtakes (5 minutes - SD)
•Vintage featurettes from the electronic press kit featuring interviews with John Carpenter, Kurt Russell and Rob Bottin (12 minutes - SD)
• Vintage featurettes – The Making of a Chilling Tale and The Making of THE THING (1982 – 14 minutes - SD)
• Vintage Product Reel – contains a promotional condensed version of the film with additional footage not in the film (19 minutes - SD)
• Vintage Behind-the-Scenes footage (2 minutes - SD)
• Annotated Production Archive – Production Art and Storyboards, Location Scouting, Special Make-up Effects, Post Production (48 minutes - SD)
• Network TV Broadcast version of THE THING (92 minutes - SD)
• Teaser Trailer & Theatrical Trailers (U.S. and German Trailer)
•TV spots & Radio Spots
• Still Gallery (behind-the-scenes photos, posters and lobby cards)
•AND MORE...