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Title: Sean's motorcycle
Post by: cigar joe on April 24, 2003, 04:58:02 AM
Ok, I'm not very informed about motorcycles, what type was Sean riding?


Title: Re:Sean's motorcycle
Post by: shorty larsen on April 24, 2003, 02:03:17 PM
It's a beautiful Indian 1000, 2V cilynder, called Indian Powerplus, special for side car.

General Pershin troops on Mexica had this kind of motorcylce because Harley and Indian always had the army contracts. The Motorcycle must be from 1914 or 1915.

Here goes some pictures:   http://www.photos.indianmotorbikes.com/16-24pplus/


Title: Re:Sean's motorcycle
Post by: cigar joe on April 24, 2003, 04:54:06 PM
Nice pics, thanks shorty.


Title: Re: Sean's motorcycle
Post by: tintin on July 17, 2007, 10:56:35 PM
No, it is a 1928 Harley Davidson. You can tell by the tanks, fenders,  and springer suspension (Indian used leaf-springs until 1930). Also, 1915 Indians (Harleys, too) would have had  perfectly round cylinder (s), of an intake-over-exhaust configuration--"F-head" in the US, "I-O-E" in Europe.  The bike in the picture has a "flathead", or "L-Head".  Most  bikes of 1913-1915   had bicycle pedals to help them get going, and leather belts.


Title: Re: Sean's motorcycle
Post by: cigar joe on July 18, 2007, 05:39:36 AM
thanks for the info, what is the make of the later bike that Mallory uses to free Juan from the Federales


Title: Re: Sean's motorcycle
Post by: Tuco the ugly on July 18, 2007, 06:11:38 AM
Interesting info!


Title: Re: Sean's motorcycle
Post by: SeanSeanSean on July 18, 2007, 07:48:13 AM
One or two motorcycles?
When the gang heads for Mesa Verde, Sean is on horseback (and hops on the train), leaving his battered motorcycle behind at the camp site.
When he rescues Juan from the firing squad, he is on a motorcycle again.
How many bikes does this guy have?
If it is the same bike, he returned to the camp site repaired his bike (badly shot up the second time) and rode off to save Juan. Highly unlikely, IMHO.


Title: Re: Sean's motorcycle
Post by: tintin on July 18, 2007, 03:21:25 PM
In the book, John steals a Motorcycle from the tax assesor's office, where he also gets more dynamite.  The bike is described as a new, black German make (BMW?)  The motorcycle he rescues Juan on resembles his olive Harley to me, though. BMW's always have a two-cylinder, air cooled, sideways engine like a Volkwagen--called a "boxer configuration".


Title: Re: Sean's motorcycle
Post by: Noodles_SlowStir on July 18, 2007, 03:44:56 PM
In the book, John steals a Motorcycle from the tax assesor's office, where he also gets more dynamite.  The bike is described as a new, black German make (BMW?)  The motorcycle he rescues Juan on resembles his olive Harley to me, though. BMW's always have a two-cylinder, air cooled, sideways engine like a Volkwagen--called a "boxer configuration".

Interesting info.  Thanks tintin.  When you say "the book", you're referring to the novelization of A Fistful Of Dynamite by James Lewis?


Title: Re: Sean's motorcycle
Post by: SeanSeanSean on July 18, 2007, 04:04:34 PM
Interesting info.  Thanks tintin.  When you say "the book", you're referring to the novelization of A Fistful Of Dynamite by James Lewis?
A book? What book?


Title: Re: Sean's motorcycle
Post by: tintin on July 18, 2007, 04:33:00 PM
 Yes, the one by James Lewis.  I don't know how well it comparies to the original story or screenplay--guess it's "in the script".


Title: Re: Sean's motorcycle
Post by: Noodles_SlowStir on July 18, 2007, 04:39:12 PM
Yes, the one by James Lewis.  I don't know how well it comparies to the original story or screenplay--guess it's "in the script".


Thanks.  Not sure.  I thought there probably had to be a novelization.  I was curious who the author might have been.  I searched it after I read your post.  I think a lot of times the author took artistic license and added details to the novelization around the actual working script....to sort of flesh out the story and make it flow better for novel form.  


Title: Re: Sean's motorcycle
Post by: dave jenkins on July 19, 2007, 05:33:35 AM
Standard practice for novelizations. Authors are allowed great liberties with the story. There's never any reason to assume that the author has some kind of inside knowledge, or is somehow expressing the intentions of filmmakers. They make a lot of stuff up.


Title: Re: Sean's motorcycle
Post by: geoman-1 on July 19, 2007, 03:02:18 PM
Ditto SSS> What Book?  :o This topic was never brought up before. Interesting.
DJ is right. The author will often take great liberties that is often quite contrary to the
movie. One exception would be "Summer of 42". Herman Raucher actually penned the book
AFTER writing the sreenplay, and after the movie premiered.