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Title: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 20, 2004, 04:38:59 AM
Film Four showed Django, kill last night. I've never seen it before, but I was well impressed, not a great storyline, but well shot and well brutal.
Well?


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on January 20, 2004, 05:02:51 AM
I've never seen it. I would definitely like to expand my spaghetti DVD collection, but haven't found any at any local shops yet. May have to go mail order.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Austin on January 20, 2004, 07:12:57 AM
Yeah I saw that on Film 4 too. I was pleasantly surprised, since I'd been led to believe that all the Django spin-offs were crap (though I think they just stole the name for this one). There was a really cool horror/film noir feel to this film. More please film 4!!!


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: The Smoker on January 20, 2004, 01:24:20 PM
Thomas Milan & Franco Nero are the greatest things going on outside of Leone's Spaghetti Western World.
Django Kill is available through Blue Underground. Wonderful quality DVD.. picture, sound which has english dub, and original italian soundtracks.

http://www.blue-underground.com/movie.php?movie_id=9  (http://www.blue-underground.com/movie.php?movie_id=9)

Puts the MGM FFOD,FADM DVDs to shame.
The best copy of Django available is the Blue Underground DVD edition, much better print than the Anchor Bay (Which is a double feat. with django strikes again) version, a two year restoration job on a old Rome archive print. extra scenes too.
Its only available, as a apart of the Spaghetti Western Collection 'Box Set' unfortunatly  

http://www.blue-underground.com/movie.php?movie_id=13 (http://www.blue-underground.com/movie.php?movie_id=13)

which includes Django, Django,Kill!, Mannaja, Run Man Run. All the other films are available separately.

But you can find single copies of this Django on ebay now and again.  -has really good liner notes by Frayling as well.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Jayson Kennedy on January 23, 2004, 01:10:00 PM
But you can find single copies of this Django on ebay now and again.

Be forewarned, Anchor Bay's DVD edition of Django (includes part 2 also) is awful by comparsion. It's also poor authorized and incorrectly framed. Blue Underground Spaghetti box is excellent, and highly recommended, a price decrease on it is going to occur soon so just wait  ;D


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: The Smoker on January 23, 2004, 01:55:38 PM
Be forewarned, Anchor Bay's DVD edition of Django (includes part 2 also) is awful by comparsion. It's also poor authorized and incorrectly framed. Blue Underground Spaghetti box is excellent, and highly recommended, a price decrease on it is going to occur soon so just wait  ;D

Do you know by how much Jayson?

Its gonna be a good year for Spag..  ;D
The Japanese Macroni Western DVDs are still going strong.

GB&U gets a facelift.

Fantoma's The Great Silence DVD is been re-released on the 27th January. Everybody must see this!
if your interested in the world outside Leone.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00012L77W/qid=1074891149//ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl74/002-7331625-2764058?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00012L77W/qid=1074891149//ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl74/002-7331625-2764058?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846)

I all we need now is for WildEast productions to re-release Fistful Of Trailers, by puplic demand.  ;)


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Jayson Kennedy on January 23, 2004, 03:05:54 PM
Do you know by how much Jayson?

Blue Underground switched distributors and all they're titles are being re-released (exact same as before) but also lowering in price, I don't know by how much yet but this one's due anytime, as most have been re-issued. Rumors say the price could be $40 or lower. Amazon will have a new listing to reflect it  :)  


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Christopher on March 17, 2005, 01:02:35 PM
Now that I have three of the Blue Underground spaghetti westerns released (Django, Mannaja, and Run Man Run), I'm starting to get really curious about Django Kill. The trailer doesn't show anything about what the movie is about (which is probably a good thing considering so many trailers at that time gave away too much). Is this one worth watching? I'm sure the reactions will vary, but that always makes it interesting. ;)


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: spag fan on March 17, 2005, 01:49:27 PM
It's worth a watch. After all I'd read about it, I was rather disappointed though. It does have it's cool points, just not as cool as they're made out to be IMO.

I always have this problem. The so called best SW's never seem to fail to disappoint me, while the "crap" SW's are always better than I expect, so I like them. I have to say that Django Kill, The Great Silence,and yes, Keoma ;D, all were a bit of a let down when I finally got around to watching them. Other lesser thought of SW's like Ace High and Stranger's Gundown and Four of The Apocalypse were better than I'd heard or expected, so I liked them!


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: The Smoker on March 17, 2005, 02:18:52 PM
It a very surreal Spaghetti Western.. 
Its only a Django film in name, Its was called 'If You Live, Shoot!' * originally.
This title confusion dosn't help the perception of what your about to watch really.
Its a exercise in subverting the genre so to speak.
Bits of it look like some kinda 60s Pop Art explosion. Lots of experimental ideas in the flashback sequences.  Some very odd and unpleasent things happen in 'The Unhappy Place' (name of the town)
I don't want to go into details because it could spoil it. But the director could be accused of laying it on a bit to thick in places.
Its a film with is known outside of genre as a general video nasty or explotation movie.

Thomas Milian is very good as always.

Its one to Rent first like The Great Silence, because it splits fans right down the middle. You either enjoy it.. or want to throw it up the wall.

* The Blue Underground interview has comments about Giulio Questi wasn't to happy about the producers/marketing changing the name to use the Django trademark on posters to sell tickets.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on March 17, 2005, 05:05:35 PM
Quote
It's worth a watch. After all I'd read about it, I was rather disappointed though. It does have it's cool points, just not as cool as they're made out to be IMO.

I always have this problem. The so called best SW's never seem to fail to disappoint me, while the "crap" SW's are always better than I expect, so I like them. I have to say that Django Kill, The Great Silence,and yes, Keoma , all were a bit of a let down when I finally got around to watching them. Other lesser thought of SW's like Ace High and Stranger's Gundown and Four of The Apocalypse were better than I'd heard or expected, so I liked them!


spag fan have you ever seen "EL TOPO"

I'll start a new thread with a preview, lol


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Nobody on March 18, 2005, 05:13:44 PM
I love the idea of the homosexual bandits. The director's explanation on the documentary also gave me a good laugh.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Poggle on March 18, 2005, 08:15:38 PM
Has anyone here ever seen Nude Django or Hallelujah For Django? :-\


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Christopher on March 18, 2005, 08:23:38 PM
Has anyone here ever seen Nude Django or Hallelujah For Django? :-\
Are those real movie titles? ???

Other lesser thought of SW's like Ace High and Stranger's Gundown and Four of The Apocalypse were better than I'd heard or expected, so I liked them!
Yeah, that seems to be how it works usually. I haven't had major expectations from these movies I've been watching. I've just sat down in front of them and watch.

I am interested in seeing Django Kill from what I've read. It sounds like it might be odd, and I did like Thomas Millian in Run Man Run. My expectations aren't really high, since "odd" can go either way. :D


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: redyred on March 19, 2005, 08:16:37 AM
I love the idea of the homosexual bandits. The director's explanation on the documentary also gave me a good laugh.

I love this quote from the Shobary's Westerns review:

Quote
Gay cowboys, sure they dress up in these black "gayish" costumes but thats about it. They don't act very gay otherwise.

Take it back to the shop, the cowboys aren't gay enough!


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: spag fan on March 19, 2005, 10:30:33 AM


spag fan have you ever seen "EL TOPO"

I'll start a new thread with a preview, lol

Nope, but from your description in the other thread and other stuff I've read, it sounds like I may like it.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Marco Leone on March 20, 2005, 03:50:44 PM
Django Kill is quality.  I didn't realise Film 4 were showing it, but I mannaged to get hold of a Japenese copy some years back, with all the uncut stuff put back in.  It is a very surreal take on a SW, but very watchable, as are most films with Thomas Milan in!


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: indio on March 21, 2005, 09:53:02 AM
just bought this flick today, sounds great. it will be good to see something a bit wild!


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Marco Leone on July 01, 2005, 01:27:42 PM
I've been introducing a friend of mine to some of the classic spaghetti westerns and, knowing he is a big fan of the old Hammer Horror movies, I figured Django Kill may appeal to his warped lil mind. How right I was - he loved it. So anyway, getting to the point, I did my usual thing and have scribed a review for the 'ol site. So here are my thoughts :

"The Stranger (Tomas Milian) arrives in the town known by the local Indian tribes as "The Unhappy Place" to see the bodies of his recent partners in crime hanging in front of him. Flashbacks have already revealed that he had been betrayed and left for dead by the gang, led by Oats (Piero Lulli), following a theft of gold from the army.

The two most prominent townsfolk, Tembler (Quesada) and Hagerman (Sanz) have split the stolen gold between them, and are keeping it hidden from Sorrow (Camardiel), a larger than life bandit whose "muchachos" dress all in black and, lets say, presumably enjoy the pleasures of men. Throw into the pot the mysterious figure of Hagerman's imprisoned wife, who beckons the Stranger from her cell window, and you have a very strange, yet apt, setting for this highly entertaining and frankly bizarre movie.

In fact, this film is straight out of horror territory, from the Stranger's first screen appearance - clawing his way out of an open grave - until its bitter ending. The mood is ably assisted by Ivan Vandor's score, which adds suitable suspense and tension, particularly during the scenes portraying Hagerman, his wife and her relationship with the Stranger.

The cast is quite superb, particularly Sanz in the part of the treacherous Hagerman. Milian meanwhile plays the Stranger role competently but fairly static without the mysterious charisma of a Nero or Eastwood. I am a huge fan of Milian, but much prefer to see his characters portray a little more humour (as he does so brilliantly in Face to Face and the Big Gundown, to name just two performances).

At times graphic (like the notorious scalping scene, or the sight of Oaks' body being torn apart by the locals desperately clawing at the gold bullets within his barely alive body), at times obviously low budget (such as the scene in which the Stranger is tortured, by being subjected to blood sucking bats and other creatures), but captivating throughout. One of the "must view" euro-westerns, in my view".


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: spag fan on July 01, 2005, 02:37:10 PM
Nice review Marco.

I love horror and strange SWs, so I thought I would really enjoy this one. After finally seeing it though, I'd have to say it was a pretty big letdown. I love Milian, but here, as you said, his character was just too stiff. It was a strange flick, I just wish it had been a little more enjoyable. Pretty cool intro and finale though.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Marco Leone on July 04, 2005, 02:00:28 PM
Cheers.

I do really like it, even though I do cringe a bit at the Parrot, and the vampire bat torture!


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: indio on July 11, 2005, 12:06:57 AM
i think its great. its madder than a bag of spiders.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: titoli on August 21, 2005, 02:17:21 PM
I've just finished viewing.  I'm speechless. One of the worst movies I ever saw. It is true that Milian is stiffer than usual, but that is because of the character, which doesn't suit him, as already noted. Anyway, compared to the others, he shows he's a professional. But I also appreciated Lulli's performance.
A game we could start would be to point at the things that do not work. It will take a long time to name them all and it would be a waste of time. Anyway I'll mention the music: I think that me and Banjo (are you there?) could write something better than the inane title tune which torments us throughout  the movie.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Marco Leone on August 21, 2005, 04:03:35 PM
It is a weird one, Titoli, in that it does seem to be a "love" or "hate" flick.  There are parts that grate with me also, but overall I love it, albeit as one of Milian's lesser roles.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: titoli on August 22, 2005, 02:38:34 AM
I think that sometime, expecially on film forums, people are afraid to say how things really are. This movie being "weird" i presume it means only that, as compared to other SW's of the same minor league, it has some excesses (generally ends to themselves, like the scalping):which makes it different, which doesn't mean better. The real problem with this movie (that I saw in the director's cut: which is a very bad cut: http://www.mondohe.com/customer/product.php?productid=581&cat=14&page=1
this release has also the english audio. And the dubbing is better, for once, than the italian, awful.)

is that it doesn't move. The Sabata or Sartana movies have as many excesses, but they move, they're fast. I saw  recently "Light the fuse, Sartana is Coming" and it was fun and never boring. I understood why I liked the Sartanas so much as a kid, though they are "poor" movies. I would have never liked this, then as of now. There are 4 or 5 "ideas" (or, rather, "gimmicks") like the gay bad ones or the uncle mistreating the niece with his boot, but they are not developed and are submerged in a welter of repetitions   and non sequiturs. The town is described as "strange" but then that "strangeness" doesn't emerge. The characters are inconsequential. Can you explain why Milian should be tormented by the images of the hung ex-pards that tried to kill him a little before? He is driven by the revenge feeling when he shoots Lulli, but then, inexplicably, turns compassionate toward the hung ones.
Just another question, of the many: where is the female population of the town?


 




 




Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Marco Leone on August 22, 2005, 02:31:13 PM
Its a fair point.  Well, points!  Strangely though, some of the things you don't like about it are the very same things that I do!  I guess in the end its just all a matter of taste.

Having said that, there are some films that you can watch and really enjoy, but still know and understand why other people will hate it.  And this is a perfect example of that.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Cat Stevens on October 19, 2005, 09:17:12 AM
I watched this movie last night (picked up the BU DVD a while back).  A definite sub-genre picture within the SW genre -- are there any other homosexual torture SW flicks out there?

That said, I felt the movie had its moments.  I couldn't help but chuckle a bit at the outfits that Mr. Sorrow's bandits wore.  Plus the scene where one of the bandits is eating a banana and the continued references to 'partnership' were all quite heavy-handed, but I took it in jest.  Very violent (in the tradition of Django, I suppose) and am glad I have the DVD in my collection.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Banjo on November 07, 2005, 01:59:41 AM
Just checked the ITV4 listings and Django Kill is the second film in the SW season to be shown next Sunday 13th November at 11.00pm and repeated at 2.25am.As with Django last night there is an Alex Cox introduction.This film is listed as subtitled but in view of last nights screening of Django in English audio,i think we'll have to wait to find out!
I've never seen the notorious Django Kill and i guess like many others i maybe in for a real treat!!


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: indio on November 07, 2005, 10:44:40 AM
its as mad as a bag of spiders. i love it. the whole film is over the top which you would expect from a milian movie but the strange thing is tomas plays it down!


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Cat Stevens on November 07, 2005, 12:15:05 PM
Yup - very bizarre SW and worthy of checking out if for curiosity reasons only.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: finisterre on November 07, 2005, 01:59:01 PM
i think it unlikely itv4 will show them with italian audio. 'subtitled' just means english subtitles for the hard of hearing, i should think.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Banjo on November 08, 2005, 04:04:57 AM
I guess you're right about the subtitles finisterre.
Just looking at the screening time 11.05pm to 1.25am,allowing for the commecial breaks,it appears that itv4 will be showing the full English uncut version of 115 minutes(yippee!)
Like Indio,I emailed ITV's feedback page yesterday to thank them for Django(and asked for more!) last Sunday and i will do  so again next week for Django Kill.
Even if i already have the movies to be shown,it will still be great for the Alex Cox introductions and will inevitably attract more members to this website!


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Marco Leone on November 08, 2005, 01:30:51 PM
I have the japenese disc, where it reverts to italian with english subtitles for a handful of edited scenes.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Banjo on November 09, 2005, 04:01:06 AM
Marco,i don't expect we'll be lucky enough to get your version of Django Kill shown.Before buying the special edition of GBU i waited to see if ITV would show the extended version first but to no avail.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on November 13, 2005, 09:21:09 PM
This is one of Tomas Milian's best performances...he can really pull off a serious role with style.
I found that watching in Italian w/ English subs rather than the English dub is like night & day...& much preferable to the cartoonish dubbing.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Banjo on November 14, 2005, 02:28:09 AM
Just about managed to stay awake enough last night to tape Django Kill and pause the recording during the advert breaks despite nodding off briefly a couple of times,and to give an objective opinion will have to watch it again soon.After reading Howard Hughes pocket guide review i was expecting a "harrowing experience" with horses being macheted and blown to pieces but i didn't find anything particularly upsetting-Marco had ITV4 trimmed any of the violence?
I actually found the gratuitous scalping,lynching,chest cutting incidents tiresome rather than shocking.The unimaginative and repetative music was also annoying but i'm glad to have a copy at last and will give it another look.
Anyway well done to ITV4 and i'm just about to email some positive feedback and ask for more!


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Marco Leone on November 14, 2005, 06:34:27 AM
I didn't see the whole of it, having already seen it a few times before, but watched the Alex Cox intro and first half. It looks like they showed a pretty much uncut version, even reverting back to the italian language for those scenes originally deemed too harrowing and nevr had an english dub (i.e. the bullet removal etc).

Really looking forward to seeing what else ITV4 can throw at us!  Despite the annoyance of ad breaks, its been great!


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Banjo on November 14, 2005, 07:00:57 AM
Howard Hughes mentions horses being hacked to bits with machetes and i assume in his version this is at the near beginning of the movie when the Mexicans(with machetes) try and scatter the horses away.I know i was sleepy last night but i don't remember any machetes(thankfully!) being thrust into horses!Also i can't remember any horrible remains of blown up horses.Was Hughes speaking literally?
Will definately have another look!


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on November 14, 2005, 07:51:58 AM
Also i can't remember any horrible remains of blown up horses.Was Hughes speaking literally?
Will definately have another look!

After the "horse bomb" explodes...there are some quick cuts of dead bodies...1 very quick shot shows the horse..comes & goes in a flash.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Banjo on November 14, 2005, 08:55:30 AM
I held my breath when the horse bomb exploded but with  the following cuts of dead bodies it was very much a case of blink and you will miss it.However i sincerely hope that no animal was harmed in the films making.
Despite his two excellent SW books,iIts seems to me that i Howard Hughes maybe a bit of a big girls blouse!!
On reading his slightly negative review of Fistful of Dynamite,Hughes made a big deal of "crude and downright distasteful humour and a plethora of bad language".So he odviously hasn't seen any Tarantino movies or lived in the 21st century!!Having already seen Leones movie beforehand, it didn't strike me particularly of being full of swearing-maybe 2 or 3" F" words used in total-or distasteful in any big way.Perhaps Hughes  belongs to an (older?) generation that is a little easier to offend!!


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: indio on November 14, 2005, 09:30:47 AM
i love it. its mad. strange for Milian to play it down,


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Alan Shearer 9 on November 14, 2005, 11:43:12 AM
man, that movie was bad. Not in a good way either  :-\ couldn't watch it all didn't hold my interest at all


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: indio on November 14, 2005, 12:53:32 PM
personal taste i guess. i like it ,but its not one of my favorites.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Marco Leone on November 14, 2005, 01:25:00 PM
I really love it to, but it definately is a matter of taste.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Banjo on November 15, 2005, 02:47:27 AM
I saw Django Kill in a better light on second viewing last night.Tomas Milian(if only they could have dubbed his voice!) was excellent in his first starring role,but i think overall there was some (intentionally?) bad acting.Zorro and his black-clad cronies and the ludicrous Indians were quite amusing,though.I guess for the time the gore was shocking but that sort of thing doesn't do anything for me at all!
A bad,but entertaining movie which would have benefited from a better soundtrack-god that  dreadful relentless monotenous bassline,aaarrrgh!!!


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: HEX on November 15, 2005, 07:12:05 AM
I saw Django Kill in a better light on second viewing last night.Tomas Milian(if only they could have dubbed his voice!) was excellent in his first starring role,but i think overall there was some (intentionally?) bad acting.Zorro and his black-clad cronies and the ludicrous Indians were quite amusing,though.I guess for the time the gore was shocking but that sort of thing doesn't do anything for me at all!
A bad,but entertaining movie which would have benefited from a better soundtrack-god that  dreadful relentless monotenous bassline,aaarrrgh!!!


actually BANJO i think TOMAS'S starring role in an sw was THE BOUNTY KILLER.


iam 90% sure.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Banjo on November 15, 2005, 08:09:35 AM
Hex,i had a feeling someone might try and pick me up on that one!!
I have that film under the alternate title "The Ugly Ones" and as far as i am aware(despite what it says on imdb.com) Richard Wyler as the hero has top billing here,and i was only stating a quote i had read elsewhere.Suppose you could call Milian and Wyler co-stars though!


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Banjo on November 15, 2005, 08:31:36 AM
Hex,just looked at my Ugly Ones dvd and both stars names appear in the opening credits together with Wylers name on top.In Hughes latest SW book,in the chapter dedicated to Django Kill,he states that the Bounty Killers as being Milians first western role,his first top billing being in Django Kill.
Whilst on the subject of The Bounty Killers i think the crap music in this otherwise watchable  movie (the audio is poor-at least on my copy)is pretty much on par with Django Kill.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: HEX on November 15, 2005, 07:14:33 PM
Hex,just looked at my Ugly Ones dvd and both stars names appear in the opening credits together with Wylers name on top.In Hughes latest SW book,in the chapter dedicated to Django Kill,he states that the Bounty Killers as being Milians first western role,his first top billing being in Django Kill.
Whilst on the subject of The Bounty Killers i think the crap music in this otherwise watchable  movie (the audio is poor-at least on my copy)is pretty much on par with Django Kill.


what DJANGO KILL do u own? because the blu underground one is top notch.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Banjo on November 16, 2005, 05:11:00 AM
The only version of Django Kill i own is what i taped of the TV last Sunday.From what Marco says and from reading the Django Kill chapter in Hughes "Once Upon A Time in The Italian West" it seems that this is the full English uncut version.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Christopher on February 17, 2006, 08:48:29 PM
I found Django, Kill and bought and watched it last night. I read an Editorial Review on Amazon recently that made the movie sound incoherant, but I'm guessing the reviewer must have not been paying attention to the movie while he was watching it (the review itself isn't that bad, however). The movie made perfect sense to me, and I thought it was pretty good.

EDIT: I just merged two topics about this movie.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Leone Admirer on February 19, 2006, 05:58:09 AM
I found this film interesting. The brutal elements certainly were shocking at times but there are certainly others spaghetti's that I much prefered.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Banjo on February 19, 2006, 09:44:46 AM
Its a pretty awful movie but it needed to be extreme to draw ones attention away from that dreadful soundtrack!!!


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 28, 2006, 01:48:04 AM
Its a pretty awful movie but it needed to be extreme to draw ones attention away from that dreadful soundtrack!!!

this is a bit unfair Banjo. The soundtrack isnt all that bad. Its pretty catchy and rather trippy, but it does get repeatative though(thats all they play!!!).

whats really laughable is the dubbing in the scene where the saloon girl sings "my town". The dubbers didnt even try in the slightest to try and synch up the song with her lips.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Banjo on April 28, 2006, 07:05:33 AM
this is a bit unfair Banjo. The soundtrack isnt all that bad.
I beg to differ,its competes with the Gods Gun score for the worst sw soundtrack!


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 28, 2006, 11:28:13 AM
I beg to differ,its competes with the Gods Gun score for the worst sw soundtrack!



Oh please, you have to hear "Kid Vengeance"'s soundtrack before you can make such a claim.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Banjo on April 29, 2006, 02:42:54 AM
Please don't send the cd-i'll try (not to maybe!) use my imagination with Kid Vengeance!


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Kurug3n on January 24, 2007, 09:30:19 PM
is this a movie worth seeing?


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on January 24, 2007, 09:34:14 PM
is this a movie worth seeing?

No.

My friend illegally downloaded this movie and burned it for me. And i still want my money back.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Kurug3n on January 24, 2007, 09:35:03 PM
No.

My friend illegally downloaded this movie and burned it for me. And i still want my money back.

Really? I see  :-\


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on January 24, 2007, 09:36:31 PM
Really? I see  :-\

Well, it's actually fine. I just wouldn't shell out fifteen bucks for it. If you can rent it, or illegally download it like my friend, then go ahead. Mainly because it's considered a "must" for some reason.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Kurug3n on January 24, 2007, 09:37:53 PM
Well, it's actually fine. I just wouldn't shell out fifteen bucks for it. If you can rent it, or illegally download it like my friend, then go ahead. Mainly because it's considered a "must" for some reason.

Rent=$ and illegally downloading seems fine to me so thats good to hear I will just buy Hard Boiled instead.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on January 24, 2007, 09:43:10 PM
Rent=$ and illegally downloading seems fine to me so thats good to hear I will just buy Hard Boiled instead.

Never seen any John Woo films, but Arizona Colt seems to like it. There are certainly many more spaghetti westerns that should be higher on a "to-see" list than Django, Kill. waaaay more. This movie is quite bad. This time i mean it.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on January 24, 2007, 11:15:45 PM
The most overhyped sw of all time ("The Big Gundown" is also battling for this prize!)!


The first twenty minutes are good but afterwards it's complete shyte!


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: duval on January 25, 2007, 07:39:56 AM
come on guys!!! Gay cowboys (way ahead of its time) and death by melted gold both surely count in its favour...


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on January 25, 2007, 09:41:14 AM
come on guys!!! Gay cowboys (way ahead of its time) and death by melted gold both surely count in its favour...


Yeah the weird stuff is the only thing that kept me interested the last hour and 10 minutes.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: pixelated on January 26, 2007, 07:43:22 PM
i thought the "weird stuff" is extremely blown out of proportion. i was expecting quite a bit of craziness from the spag after reading various reviews.

i just don't get it. i've seen many spaghettis that are much more violent than this thing.

i gave a copy to one of my friends who enjoys some spaghettis, and he's never been able to make it past the first 20 minutes without falling asleep. that's a pretty accurate review.




Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Arizona Colt on January 26, 2007, 10:41:38 PM
I think DJANGO KILL is "popular" because of its symbolic imagery and its quirky characters along with the occassional burst of gory violence that seems strangely out of place. Worth a look at least once....ON FAST FORWARD.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Banjo on May 25, 2007, 04:18:52 AM
Leone Admirer's review from his SW Virgins Guide:-

Django Kill... If You Live Shoot!

Boy! What an incredibly stange film. This is a very violent western with some very, very good editing and direction and an interesting story.
      Tomas Milian is The Stranger, a half breed band who was double crossed and the left for dead. He climbs out of his grave, and with the help of two native Indians goes to track down the men who double crossed him. He discovers they have gone to a town only known as the 'Unhappy Place' and when he arrives he finds that all but one of the men who betrayed him are dead and the object that he was double crossed for is missing. He enters a world of gruesome torture, graphic violence and sexual depravity.
      This film is as nasty as it sounds. The stranger is constantly beaten, betrayed and upset. He is haunted by horrific dreams of the betrayal by his friend who stole a precious item from him. When he enters the town, he finds he only has one friend, a boy played by Raymond Lovelock, who begs to come with him so he can leave this horrific town. The town seems to be run by a mexican bandit called Zorro, whose men are dressed in Nazi like uniforms and march about everywhere as if they were stormtroopers. We also unfortuanatly find out, though the boys experiences that they have violent homosexual tendencies and in a very uncomfortable scene they 'have their way' with the boy.
      In the town no one seems to be who they are. Friends become enemies and supposed enemies become friends. The towns folk seem as guilty in violence and greed as Zorro is and this is highlighted by various horrific acts such as men literally pulling an injured mans chest apart to reach some gold bullets and a lynch mob who skin a man whilst all the participants look on, seemingly enjoying the violence a bit too much .
     Milian's stranger is horrified by it all and this is very well played by the actor. We belief his grief when a person he sympathises the most with is killed because of greed. Zorro, the boss, is played with overt menace and during the scen with the boy, which plays out like a very horrific nightmare, seems to almost aprove of what his men are doing.
      The direction by Questi is very good. He seem's expert at making use intriguing framing and cinematography as well as adding to the nightmare qualities of the film. He is very adapt at pulling off the shocking violence in the film, amazingly showing some restraint at his depiction also. The editing and writing by Franco Arcalli (who should be familair to Leone fans because of his co-writing credit on Once Upon A Time In America)are also very intriguing and of a very high standard. The editing adds to the nightmarish element of the film through its almost subliminal cuts and images. The sound design was also very good, with the score, whilst not being very grand, served the film well in emphasising its disturbing mood.
    An element of the film I didn't like was a torture scene involving bats. It was so low budget all we had we reaction shots of Milian and then some stock footage shots of some cute looking bats (and I'm not really a fan of bats but the ones they showed in this film did look rather sweet) hanging on tropical zoo looking branches.
    Blue Underground have given us a sterling DVD. On the back of the box they cite "This definitive presentation of DJANGO KILL! has been created from original Italian negative materials with all its infamous scenes of savgery and slaughter now fully restored for the first time ever in America." The transfer is very good. The 'scope' cinematography looking very sharp and the whites and yellows of the ever unforgiving desert look particualy good. There is very little print damage. As said the film is presented uncut and oon starting the film, a title card appears telling the viewer that the scenes restored never had an English soundtrack dub done for them so they are presented in their original Italian audio and supplied with English subtitles. There is very little drop in quality when these scenes occur and I Found the switching of the audio to be not at all intrusive. The English audio track is very good with no hiss and pops. The film is also presented with its original Italian soundtrack.
    The main extra on this release is the featurette entitled Django, Tell! which is made up with interviews with Co-Writer/Director Guilo Questi and stars Tomas Miian and Ray Lovelock. All three frankly discuss working with each other, on the film and they also debunk and add fire to myths surrounding what occured on the set. We learn that Django Kill is Questi's least favourite film title as the film has nothing to do with Nero's Django character and that he prefers (which I must admit my prefered title) Se Sei Vivo Spara   (If You Live, Shoot!) Also to be found are three easter eggs. One can be found on the special features menu, the other on the main menu and the last on the languages and subtitles menu. These are quite interesting and fun to watch. Also included is a (quite rubbish to be honest) theatrical trailer and an intersting poster & still gallery.
     This film made for interesting, if uncomfortable viewing. However it hurtles on at such a fast pace that the time will go quite quickly. A film I wouldn't recomend to the easily disturbed, I would recomed it to Spaghetti fans and newcomers who were looking for an 'extreme' spaghetti.



Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Rojo Ramone on June 24, 2007, 01:54:59 PM
Being a big fan of gothic eurihorror and SW, i thought this film would be right up my alley~so i bought the Blue underground  DVD as a blind buy.~What a mistake...
The good moments were too few for me.
I thought the direction and editing were terrible, the move had no plot, and the gore was too fake to work
I would recommend anyone interested in buying the film, who hasn't seen it~ rent it first

Just my 2 cents


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: mike siegel on June 24, 2007, 02:04:22 PM
One of the best Italian entries of Italian 60's cinema. Great film.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Arizona Colt on June 24, 2007, 02:54:03 PM
Again, an awful movie with a few decent moments sprinkled throughout. The gore was fine to me. You have to take into consideration the time the film was made but even still, the gore effects worked. The symbolism and the overall quirky tone and insane characters would be the ONLY REASON to watch this movie. Even the director admits to not being a fan of spaghetti westerns when he made this.

If you're expecting something along the lines of DJANGO or even THE GREAT SILENCE you'll be sadly disappointed. It's worth at least ONE VIEW.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Rojo Ramone on June 25, 2007, 12:32:56 PM
 Well i only watched this movie once so far. With the first viewing i was disappointed it wasn't as good as i thought it would be, perhaps on a second viewing i can appreciate it for what it is.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on June 25, 2007, 02:38:34 PM
One of the best Italian entries of Italian 60's cinema. Great film.

 :o

This movie deserves the award for "The most overblown peice of garbage" of the genre.
The first 20 minutes are great but once Lulli's gang is brutally disposed of, by the weird residents of the town, the story goes no where for the next hour.
It's always been incomprehensible to me how this movie became so popular among fans.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Arizona Colt on June 25, 2007, 03:54:12 PM
Well i only watched this movie once so far. With the first viewing i was disappointed it wasn't as good as i thought it would be, perhaps on a second viewing i can appreciate it for what it is.

I gave it 3 views and liked it no better the 2nd or 3rd times around. It has some good things in it, just not enough.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: mike siegel on June 26, 2007, 02:26:53 AM
:o


It's always been incomprehensible to me how this movie became so popular among fans.


For the same reason some people like EL TOPO, PINK FLAMINGOS or any FULCI ZOMBI. SEI SEI VIVO, SPARA!  is a Midnite Movie, a true 60's statement partly disguised as a western. I loved it from the beginning. Great soundtrack and when he rises from the dead you either switch off or enjoy the ride :). No defenders in this whole big wide forum ?
Not for everybodies taste, never meant to be too.
The BU DVD is great.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on June 26, 2007, 01:44:28 PM
For the same reason some people like EL TOPO, PINK FLAMINGOS or any FULCI ZOMBI. SEI SEI VIVO, SPARA!  is a Midnite Movie


That's a shame because I enjoyed all those titles.
Mostly "Zombie".

Pink Flamingos is watchable soley for what will happen next (the singing ass-hole)

and the first half of El Topo was excellent while the last 45 minutes were dull.


All still better than "Django Kill". 8)


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Jill on September 24, 2007, 01:53:27 PM
I watched it now. Milian is great as always, but the movie is too much for me. I just have no stomach for this. Violence is no matter, but it's really overdone.
The two ladies are beautiful  O0, and the poor blonde boy is nice.

Camera work is really good.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on June 22, 2013, 03:22:59 PM
Picked this up along with The Taking of Pelham One Two Three, The Limey, and Rider on the Rain, all for twenty and change, I'll agree with the majority its a curiosity, too bad Milian didn't dub himself. 5/10


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: titoli on December 03, 2014, 08:17:30 AM
Giulio Questi died in his sleep last night.


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on December 03, 2014, 03:16:09 PM
Giulio Questi died in his sleep last night.
RIP


Title: Re: Se sei vivo spara aka Django Kill!... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
Post by: Dust Devil on December 04, 2014, 03:07:00 AM
He made it well through the fourth quarter! O0

May he rest in peace.