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Title: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: HEX on November 27, 2005, 12:38:08 PM
TAKE A HARD RIDE

does anyone know what the hell this movie is about. or if its any good. i have a hunch it is part of LEE VAN CLEEFS sucky spaghetti period(which happened just after THE GRAND DUEL).


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: Marco Leone on November 27, 2005, 01:59:10 PM
Yeah i gather it is meant to suck, but i haven't seen it myself.

The imdb link says..... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073784/


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: HEX on November 27, 2005, 04:50:52 PM
Yeah i gather it is meant to suck, but i haven't seen it myself.

The imdb link says..... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073784/


wow that reviewer did not like LEE VAN CLEEF very much ;D


well i asked because ANCHOR BAY is doing a remastering of it. so i figured it was decent enough to make such a big deal.




Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: cigar joe on November 27, 2005, 06:19:36 PM
it sort of was in that Blaxplotation era, from what I gather.


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: HEX on November 28, 2005, 10:19:21 AM
That reviewer is an annoying little beeyotch whining because the very boring Ronald Howard (Leslie Howard's son, not Opie) gets very little screen time in it.† Don't take her seriously.

It's a decent, rather bland action/adventure buddy movie centered around Jim Brown's and Fred Williamson's characters, that's sort of blaxploitation-themed w/o being aggressively blaxploitation-ish.† Lee plays a low-rent bounty hunter with a Captain Ahab complex about Jim Brown's character, that events apparently cure him of.† He's reasonably scary, the comic-relief villains are a reasonable mix of creepy and funny, Brown and Williamson are about as entertaining as they ever are, the action scenes are good but not very plausible, there's a sheriff who self-righteously reams the bounty killer out only to turn out to be greedier and less honorable than the latter, and the Jerry Goldsmith score is highly regarded.† HEX might enjoy it, Joe probably wouldn't, could go either way for Marco, based on my knowledge of you gents' taste.† ;D




well ill have to check out the ANCHOR BAY dvd soon then.

and please tell us more about ourselves in the future. do go on. ;D


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: HEX on November 28, 2005, 10:22:32 AM

wow that reviewer did not like LEE VAN CLEEF very much ;D


well i asked because ANCHOR BAY is doing a remastering of it. so i figured it was decent enough to make such a big deal.





hey they took of the "annoying little beyotches" review. bastards. that bad comment of VAN CLEEF was hilarious. she made him seem like JAR JAR BINKS.


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: Banjo on July 21, 2006, 04:58:32 PM
Has anyone else seen this later LVC sw filmed in The Canary Islands in about 1974 as I picked this up from Amazon UK for just £5† the other day and after Grand Duel and Stranger & The Gunfighter this is my next fave LVC sw from the 1970's.
How does it stack up for anyone else? ::)


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 21, 2006, 05:00:38 PM
Grand Duel and Stranger & The Gunfighter this is my next fave LVC sw from the 1970's.





its good. I have mentioned elsewhere that the director has a real eye for dynamic camera angles during action scenes. worth a look. This will come second in his 70's films (after Grand duel).


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: Banjo on July 21, 2006, 05:01:44 PM
Yeah but isn't 1970 in the sixties? ;)


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 21, 2006, 05:02:25 PM
Yeah but isn't 1970 in the sixties? ;)


 ;D

I didnt notice that. I'll fix it.


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: Banjo on July 21, 2006, 05:04:57 PM
Sabata is 1969 anyway,but i'd forgotten about Return Of which must be about 1970 or 1971,so perhaps TAHR is the 4th best LVC 70's sw!


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 21, 2006, 05:06:36 PM
Sabata is 1969 anyway,but i'd forgotten about Return Of which must be about 1970 or 1971,so perhaps TAHR is the 4th best LVC 70's sw!

according to some, 1970 is still considered the 60's so I think 1969 can be considered the 70's as well ;)


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: Banjo on July 21, 2006, 05:08:58 PM
Theres some logic in there somehow ;D


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 21, 2006, 05:09:59 PM
Has anyone else seen this later LVC sw filmed in The Canary Islands

The other (and lesser) Jim Brown and LVC vehicle "Kid Vengeance" was probably filmed in the canary Islands as well.

and I believe Kid Vengeance was curiously sold as a sequel to "Take a hard ride". (?)


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: Banjo on July 21, 2006, 05:13:39 PM
The other (and lesser) Jim Brown and LVC vehicle "Kid Vengeance" was probably filmed in the canary Islands as well.

and I believe Kid Vengeance was curiously sold as a sequel to "Take a hard ride". (?)
Take ANOTHER Hard Ride i've got it but haven't had the courage to watch LVC in decline :-[
Have you seen El Condor?


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: cigar joe on July 21, 2006, 05:14:02 PM
Personally I'd like to see "El Condor" again †:-[


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 21, 2006, 05:14:23 PM

Have you seen El Condor?
no...

so you do have Kid Vengeance?


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: Banjo on July 21, 2006, 05:19:10 PM
Yeah,i watched Barquero earlier on and despite some pacing problems its a goodie with a great battle of wills between LVC and Warren Oates(he was excellent) 


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: Banjo on July 21, 2006, 05:57:36 PM
Personally I'd like to see "El Condor" again †:-[
I was lucky enough to tape this off the tv a few years ago but i'm not a big fan of LVCs character in this one which seems to have a similar goofiness to those displayed in his (unfunny)comedy parts in Beyond The Law.


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 21, 2006, 06:06:45 PM
I was lucky enough to tape this off the tv a few years ago but i'm not a big fan of LVCs character in this one which seems to have a similar goofiness to those displayed in his (unfunny)comedy parts in Beyond The Law.
I really enjoy LVC's comic performances, so I might enjoy El Condor.


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: cigar joe on July 21, 2006, 07:08:53 PM
Yes Jaroo is very much like Cudlip, from what I remember in fact that was the first thing I thought of after watching BTL, that's why I'd like to see it again, just to make a final judgement about the film.

My only impressions were that LVC wasn't playing a Mortimer type character, Jim Brown was cool, and the comparatively midget indians looked pretty ridiculous.

Now I'd like to give it a mature view.

 


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: Arizona Colt on July 21, 2006, 11:17:52 PM
Banjo, I briefly reviewed this in OPINIONS ON THESE 28.... It's more of a blaxploitation-spaghetti hybrid. Williamson, Brown and Kelly also teamed up in THREE THE HARD WAY, ONE DOWN, TWO TO GO and TOUGH GUYS.


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: Banjo on July 22, 2006, 01:13:21 AM
Yes AC i remember that excellent review which prompted me into getting the dvd.I was a bit disappointed in Jim Kellys performance but maybe i was comparing his role too much with his brilliantly cool character in Enter The Dragon.
Is there another kung fu type movie where Kelly excells?


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: Arizona Colt on July 22, 2006, 01:47:22 PM
Kelly did a few HK films although he was not well liked because of his lack of skill in that it was difficult for him to follow the choreographers movements. Here is a partial list of films I know of-
BLACK BELT JONES 1974-from the director of ENTER THE DRAGON
THE TATTOOED DRAGON 1977
HOT POTATO 1976(?)
THE BLACK SAMURAI 197?-from schlock King Al Adamson who did the uproariously funny DRACULA VS FRANKENSTEIN with Lon Chaney Jr. and the immortal HORROR OF THE BLOOD MONSTERS which has around 10 different alias'.
Kelly fights the same in these as he did in ETD. I'm not a fan of any of these nor ETD but BLACK BELT JONES is pretty funny I must say. If you enjoy blaxploitation you should definitely see it.


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: Banjo on July 23, 2006, 03:51:20 AM
Kelly did a few HK films although he was not well liked because of his lack of skill
† Wasn't he a karate world champion?
In reality i don't think i heard of Bruce Lee winning any tournaments or belts so was he really the best and he only† looked so brilliant due to the choreography?
Or had he have taken on the karate champions or whatever he would've beaten them?Chuck Noriss was also a karate champion but in The Way Of The Dragon,Lee looks in a different class with Norrisses movements looking stuttered and jerky in comparison.† †


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: Arizona Colt on July 24, 2006, 11:18:52 PM
Bruce never competed in tournaments. Most americans appear a bit robotic doing the HK style of fighting. I don't know if Kelly was a champ or not. I only know that he had a bit of an attitude and he couldn't keep up with the HK style of choreography. Norris was a champion of course. Although I couldn't find it in his autobiography, he was beaten(only once)in a full contact tournament by HK actor John Liu who had some of the most amazing kicking abilities ever to grace the screen. Liu was famous for SECRET RIVALS 1,2,3,  MARS VILLA, THE INCREDIBLE KUNG FU MISSION and INVINCIBLE ARMOR. He was taught by another HK actor Tan Tao Liang who was popular during the 70s in films like THE HOT, THE COOL & THE VICIOUS, SHOWDOWN AT THE COTTON MILL and THE LEG FIGHTERS.


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 24, 2006, 11:46:16 PM
watched "Man From nowhere" (Arizona Colt) just now.

good stuff.

only complaints are...

1. 15 minutes of the film could be cut.

2. Whiskey should have died at the end (simple as that). Why didnt the townsfolk hassle him about the gold?

3. Gordo should have been shown hung. Instead of showing Whiskey alive and well, show Gordo as dead as a door nail hanging from a rope or something.


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: Banjo on July 25, 2006, 03:58:15 PM
Bruce never competed in tournaments.
So is it hypothesised that he was still the best?


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: Arizona Colt on July 25, 2006, 10:18:01 PM
Yes. By not participating in tournaments doesn't mean you're any less skilled he just didn't like the tournament scene. However, for the four completed films he made he was constantly challenged on the sets. He was known to be quite arrogant and his screen persona matched his off screen one. Many chinese believe to this day that the Triads(chinese mafia)had something to do with his death as they were heavily involved within the HK film industry to the dismay of decent filmmakers.


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: Arizona Colt on July 25, 2006, 10:20:53 PM
watched "Man From nowhere" (Arizona Colt) just now.

good stuff.

only complaints are...

1. 15 minutes of the film could be cut.

2. Whiskey should have died at the end (simple as that). Why didnt the townsfolk hassle him about the gold?

3. Gordo should have been shown hung. Instead of showing Whiskey alive and well, show Gordo as dead as a door nail hanging from a rope or something.
There's another Gemma box set from Japan that has ARIZONA COLT(which I bet blows away WEs version.)but sadly in italian only(if only someone would sync up the english track).


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 25, 2006, 10:56:16 PM
There's another Gemma box set from Japan that has ARIZONA COLT(which I bet blows away WEs version.)but sadly in italian only(if only someone would sync up the english track).

I just realized that I posted the info of "Arizona Colt" on the wrong thread :o

oh well...were here now.


in regards to your post above Colt...
I too was very shocked at the quality of WE's copy of AC. Its by far their worst (havent seen their "Boot Hill" or "Pistoleros").



Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: Banjo on July 26, 2006, 02:27:12 AM
The sleeve notes were sort of apologetic saying that the best available print(or words to that effect) was used for Man From Nowhere
 ::)


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: Banjo on May 26, 2007, 07:44:12 AM
Arizona Colts review:-

TAKE A HARD RIDE isn't necessarily an italian production as aside from Antonio Margheriti directing and a few crew members it's more or less a US-italian co-production. This amalgamation of the blaxploitation genre with the spaghetti-US western genres is quite entertaining if a bit sluggish at first. Although there is ample amounts of action during the first 30 minutes the movie just sits there until about 40 minutes in. It's almost a greatest hits package as every cliche is thrown into the mix as Jim Brown must escort a shipment of gold cross country and every gang and crooked lawman is after it including Lee Van Cleef who, through the course of the film, is difficult to tell whether he is a good guy or a bad guy. He looks very tired here even a bit sickly although he looked better the following year in the execrable GODS GUN. Jim Brown is the upright and just lawman, Fred Williamson(whose accent changes regularly)plays the sneaky gambler who has his own intentions for the gold and Jim Kelly plays a mute martial artist who was raised by indians. The film benefits from a very playful atmosphere and some quite exciting and well done action sequences including one helluva massive explosion at the films conclusion. The soundtrack by Jerry Goldsmith is good but is more attuned to the american westerns. If you're a fan of the blaxploitation genre don't expect the usual trash talking as any wordplay is specific to the time period here. However, if you wish to check out some other films featuring Jim Brown, Williamson or Kelly together or separately the following are some worth checking out-
THREE THE HARD WAY
TOUGH GUYS
TICK...TICK...TICK
BUCKTOWN
TRUCK TURNER
SLAUGHTER
SLAUGHTERS BIG RIP-OFF


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: titoli on November 29, 2011, 01:22:30 PM
I subscribe to AC's review. I saw an italian dubbed print (very good quality) so I can't say about Williamson's accent. I think that the movie earns a 6\10 thanx to Brown (I like him, he's good) and Williamson (he can't play but makes me laugh each time I see him). LVC looks sick, he had health problems for sure. Unfortunately Catherine Spaak doesn't show any skin. There's a good sequence with a lot of roundabout action.


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: Richard--W on November 30, 2011, 11:40:26 AM
Jerry Goldsmith's score is the only merit in Take a Hard Ride. At about the mid-point the story threads are abandoned instead of paced out and resolved in favor of endless encounters that add up to nothing.Lee Van Cleef is wasted. Not just wasted. His footage isn't very well shot, as if he's not being respected  The real interest is in Brown and Williamson. Disappointing film. It's clear nobody cared about it.  I traded in the Anchor Bay DVD and bought the soundtrack CD. Then I got stuck with the film again when it came out as the unnecessary co-feature on Rio Conchos.

I much prefer Williamson's "Charley" westerns trilogy.

I wouldn't mind making a new western that would fit the score.


Richard


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: cigar joe on November 30, 2011, 11:52:09 AM
Jerry Goldsmith's score is the only merit in Take a Hard Ride. At about the mid-point the story threads are abandoned instead of paced out and resolved in favor of endless encounters that add up to nothing.Lee Van Cleef is wasted. Not just wasted. His footage isn't very well shot, as if he's not being respected  The real interest is in Brown and Williamson. Disappointing film. It's clear nobody cared about it.  I traded in the Anchor Bay DVD and bought the soundtrack CD. Then I got stuck with the film again when it came out as the unnecessary co-feature on Rio Conchos.

I much prefer Williamson's "Charley" westerns trilogy.

I wouldn't mind making a new western that would fit the score.


Richard

How is that release of Rio Conchos? probably my favorite Richard Boone Western followed by Hombre & The Tall T, but I've never caught up with A Thunder of Drums yet.


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: Richard--W on November 30, 2011, 01:19:03 PM
Rio Conchos is an excellent transfer. Lovely dye-transfer color saturation. They didn't digitize the film into linoleum. Williamson has a supporting role, not the lead. It's a sturdy western in which Boone does some of his very best work. I like the uncouth opening. He's a little crazy at the outset, and we find out why. A Thunder of Drums offers another of Boone's best roles. The script is above average, coming from a James Warner Bellah story. The transfer on the Warner Archive DVD is fine. I recommend both films specially if you're a Richard Boone fan. In comparison Take a Hard Ride is a bad joke.


Richard


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: cigar joe on November 30, 2011, 02:52:06 PM
Rio Conchos is an excellent transfer. Lovely dye-transfer color saturation. They didn't digitize the film into linoleum. Williamson has a supporting role, not the lead. It's a sturdy western in which Boone does some of his very best work. I like the uncouth opening. He's a little crazy at the outset, and we find out why. A Thunder of Drums offers another of Boone's best roles. The script is above average, coming from a James Warner Bellah story. The transfer on the Warner Archive DVD is fine. I recommend both films specially if you're a Richard Boone fan. In comparison Take a Hard Ride is a bad joke.


Richard

Thanks


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: stanton on November 30, 2011, 02:55:59 PM
Rio Conchos is an excellent transfer. Lovely dye-transfer color saturation. They didn't digitize the film into linoleum. Williamson has a supporting role, not the lead.

You mean Jim Brown in Rio Conchos


Title: Re: TAKE A HARD RIDE(1974)
Post by: Richard--W on November 30, 2011, 02:58:58 PM
Oh hell. Yeah that's who I meant.

Richard

(http://i1035.photobucket.com/albums/a432/Richard--W/RioConchos1964Fox-halfsheet-1.jpg)