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Title: "Maybe next time"
Post by: Two Kinds of ... on January 09, 2006, 05:29:56 PM
Mortimer says this to Manko as they wind down their adventure, but how badly does it suck that there was no next time for Mortimer and Manko?   It hurts.


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: cigar joe on January 09, 2006, 06:56:50 PM
You are right, it and GBU would have made either must see sequils or barring that (since Eastwood left for the USA), just the further adventures of either Col. Mortimer, or Tuco would have been just great, how could that amazing opportunity have slipped away?

You can't picture that happening now, lol.


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: cigar joe on January 09, 2006, 07:27:03 PM
hey derringdo, long time no post  ;)
Whats been keeping you busy, any good websites you stumble across?


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: cigar joe on January 10, 2006, 05:34:18 PM
You are right the holidays and family stuff kept me a way abit.


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: KERMIT on January 12, 2006, 02:23:44 AM
wonder where mortimer wondered off too.    gets his revenge.  it looks like there could be more things irking the col.  leading the col. & manco spawn more sequels. 
perhaps a story that explains how each of these men got to know one other encluding tuco.

if you could choose someone today to portray mortimer who would come close or have the best chance at portraying LVC's role ? who could fill LVC's boots ?    73000 words .  quite a feet to fill.  they don't call you derringdo for nothing. 


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: Poggle on January 12, 2006, 07:13:15 PM
The Civil War takes place before the time period of FAFDM.


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: dave jenkins on January 12, 2006, 08:16:32 PM
Not only that, but Angel Eyes has to have been Mortimer's evil twin. It's odd that Monco never remarks on the resemblance, and that when he goes to the Prophet to find out about Mortimer he never mentions the fact that the guy is a dead ringer for his old nemesis.
Or that he never asks Mortimer about it. It's as though he is completely ignorant of the events in GBU (you think?). Hey, maybe Blondie is Monco's twin, evil or otherwise! That would explain a lot........ LOL!


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: Poggle on January 12, 2006, 08:58:31 PM
Wallace, Chico and Nino are also twins, as well as Groggy and Pablo Ramirez(Even though Groggy is a gringo). The guys who keep getting shot and spinning around, played by Stefanelli, are also twins.

Maybe Sergio just felt like using the same actors? ;D


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: dave jenkins on January 12, 2006, 09:38:10 PM
Hey....now THAT'S a thought!


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: Groggy on January 15, 2006, 06:21:18 PM
Wallace, Chico and Nino are also twins, as well as Groggy and Pablo Ramirez(Even though Groggy is a gringo). The guys who keep getting shot and spinning around, played by Stefanelli, are also twins.

Maybe Sergio just felt like using the same actors? ;D

LOL Poggle!


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: iceman on March 23, 2006, 06:54:42 PM
Wallace, Chico and Nino are also twins, as well as Groggy and Pablo Ramirez(Even though Groggy is a gringo). The guys who keep getting shot and spinning around, played by Stefanelli, are also twins.

Maybe Sergio just felt like using the same actors? ;D

Com'on...Wallace,Chico and Nino...TWINS??????????? LOL

ICE


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: Beebs on March 23, 2006, 07:25:02 PM
Com'on...Wallace,Chico and Nino...TWINS??????????? LOL

ICE

Nope, triplets. ;D


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: The Firecracker on July 04, 2007, 01:03:28 AM
You are right, it and GBU would have made either must see sequils or barring that (since Eastwood left for the USA), just the further adventures of either Col. Mortimer, or Tuco would have been just great, how could that amazing opportunity have slipped away?



I'd rather see a prequel to GBU depicting the criminal adventures of Angel Eyes and Tuco.


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: cigar joe on July 04, 2007, 06:45:50 AM
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I'd rather see a prequel to GBU depicting the criminal adventures of Angel Eyes and Tuco.

that would have been good too


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 04, 2007, 11:50:07 AM
As much as I'd love to see sequel's to these great films, I'm kind of happy they didn't happen. No sequel hurt he greatness of these films, and that's what I love about it.


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: dave jenkins on July 04, 2007, 03:00:21 PM
From an interview with Vincenzoni, in Once Upon a Time in Italy (147-148):
Quote
In the 1970s, after the Italian Western boom was over, you wrote a sequel to The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.

It was in 1977 or 1978, and it is a very good story. I went to see Eli Wallach and Lee Van Cleef, who were crazy about it. Clint Eastwood would not want to have a part, but maybe he would give us his voice. The director was supposed to be Joe Dante. He liked the treatment and we were going to make a screenplay together. It started one stormy day, in an isolated village. A very tired, starving horse arrives with a very tired man in the saddle. They stop in front of the saloon. The wind whistles. Nobody's around. The man entering the saloon is Eli Wallch--twenty-five years older, with white hair. He arrives at the bar. "Give me scotch." And the bartender says, "Money!" "I need a drink desperately." "No--money!" "Forget it. Listen to me. Have you by any chance seen around a guy--he's tall, blond, with green eyes, he smokes a cigar, and he's an incredible son of a bitch." And the bartender says, "No--I haven't seen this man." Okay. He goes out, and the horse is there dying on the ground. He says, "Please don't die now," and he tries to pick up the horse, but the horse won't get up. He is tired. Eventually, the horse gets up; he jumps on and disappears into the night with the wind. The wind whistles. Now the camera goes around a corner, and there is Lee Van Cleef--the twin brother of the other Lee Van Cleef--who is watching this man. And the wind blows this piece of newspaper under the boot of Lee Van Cleef. He picks it up. And there is a picture of Clint Eastwood, smiling, with a wide Stetson: "On Sunday our mayor will be married to Miss Rosemary Whoever." We discover now the face of Lee Van Cleef, the twin brother. Now the Bad knows where he is going. He jumps on the horse and rides after the Ugly. The second scene is Eli Wallach with the horse that just arrived at the little town--and died because it was too tired. And all over this little town are posters with the picture of Clint Eastwood and saying: "Our beloved mayor, who died because somebody shot him," etc. So we don't need Clint Eastwood in the movie! Eli Wallach has found him, but too late. Now he goes to the cemetery, because he knows he's  buried in it, and there is a tombstone: a cross with the famous poncho, the hat of Clint, even with the cigar--which is smoking. It is a little piece of iron in the cross, and there's this cigar with smoke. Now he hears somebody coming. He hides himself behind a tree, and a young kid--blond, good-looking--arrives, changes the cigar, and lights it. He says, "Daddy,"--or "Uncle," or whatever--"I have done what you suggested. I converted all our property into cash money, and I went East and invested it all in the railroads. I will return, I hope, once a year to visit you. Pardon me, your cigar has gone out." He lights his cigar. Puff. "Goodbye for now." And as the young fellow turns to go, Eli Wallach comes out from behind the tree, and from the tombstone we hear the voice of Clint Eastwood say to the boy, "Be careful, son, because the world is full of sons of bitches and they are always on your back." Now the young guy disappears. Eli Wallach follows him, and from behind another tree come out the twin of Lee Van Cleef. This is the beginning of the movie. I wrote it over twenty years ago, and now Eli is eighty years old. I suppose it is unlikely to be produced now. Anyway...

The old twin idea, once again! The question then is, Is this second LVC the Colonel, or are we talking triplets in the Mortimer family?


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: cigar joe on July 04, 2007, 03:20:47 PM
Glad it never got made, sounds sort of contrived to me anyway, bout what you'd expect of somebody trying to cash in on GBU.


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: dave jenkins on July 04, 2007, 06:02:10 PM
Yeah, I expected better from Vincenzoni. Did he really write GBU?


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: The Firecracker on July 04, 2007, 08:51:25 PM
From an interview with Vincenzoni, in Once Upon a Time in Italy (147-148):
The old twin idea, once again! The question then is, Is this second LVC the Colonel, or are we talking triplets in the Mortimer family?


what would the third brother be called? And is he evil?



Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: Sonny on July 05, 2007, 12:05:34 AM

I'd rather see a prequel to GBU depicting the criminal adventures of Angel Eyes and Tuco.

Yeah!! No screen action for Blondie in that one.

Once again society descriminates against "the good"....ain't that always the way ;D

Anyway, maybe TWO prequels would be good to portray both characters, each one on a seperate film of course. But then again, the two could certainly make it more enjoyable in one movie.  Either way, i'd go for the idea.


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: The Firecracker on July 05, 2007, 12:09:43 AM

Anyway, maybe TWO prequels would be good to portray both characters, each one on a seperate film of course. But then again, the two could certainly make it more enjoyable in one movie.  Either way, i'd go for the idea.

Maybe Tuco can take a hike half-way through the film to introduce Blondie to Angel Eyes.

Remember, Blondie doesn't know Tuco before the events of GBU.


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: Sonny on July 05, 2007, 12:15:39 AM

Remember, Blondie doesn't know Tuco before the events of GBU.

that's precisely why Blondie should be excluded from the prequel.  That would make his appearance in GBU all the more interesting.


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: poderator on July 05, 2007, 01:58:58 AM
Blondie as a mayor!!!I think this is the most idiotic idea about GBU sequel of all time! Man with No Name to became the part of the upper class? :o That would be against everything that Sergio established in his dollar trilogy. This script reminded me on couple of Terence Hill and Bud Spencer movies.  It would be comic western, and it would cast a shadow on GBU. Thank god they didn't made a sequel! And thank Sergio for movie that came after this  he, he, he.... :D


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: The Firecracker on July 05, 2007, 02:26:52 AM
I always thought an animated sequel or prequel would suffice.
The animation can be rotoscoped throughout the movie.


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: Jill on July 05, 2007, 04:11:03 AM
This sequel sounds very gooood!  ;D

Who knows, maybe Mrs. Mortimer had triplets...  ;D


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: dave jenkins on July 05, 2007, 10:46:48 AM

what would the third brother be called? And is he evil?
Well, what was Angel Eyes called? You don't think mama Mortimer christened her boy AE, do you?

As to whether the third brother might be evil, I say, no, just ugly. That would give us The Good (Col. Douglas Mortimer), The Bad (Angel Eyes) and The Ugly (Brother #3). Obviously he's had some kind of accident that's scarred him or something. Anyone want to come up with a name for #3?


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: The Firecracker on July 05, 2007, 02:16:44 PM
Well, what was Angel Eyes called? You don't think mama Mortimer christened her boy AE, do you?


Sentenza might be his real name.

I have heard worse names.
 cough*Mortimer*cough


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 05, 2007, 02:20:25 PM
Sentenza might be his real name.


Probably not.


In Italian sentenza means "judgement."


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: The Firecracker on July 05, 2007, 02:47:31 PM
Probably not.


In Italian sentenza means "judgement."

or Sentence.

Like I said. I have heard worse names.

I know a guy named "Segundo" which is "second" in spanish.


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 05, 2007, 02:48:53 PM
or Sentence.

Like I said. I have heard worse names.

I know a guy named "Segundo" which is "second" in spanish.

Yeah that's true.

I once knew a girl named "princess."


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: Sonny on July 09, 2007, 09:08:19 AM
or Sentence.

Like I said. I have heard worse names.

I know a guy named "Segundo" which is "second" in spanish.

i thought we were talking about Italian... :o


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 30, 2007, 09:55:31 AM
It's sad that these two characters were not seen together again. I'm sure Sergio could have thought of something to bring these two characters together for another adventure.


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: cigar joe on July 30, 2007, 04:44:19 PM
Whats really sad is that Eastwood didn't give Lee a part in one of his Westerns.


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: Kurug3n on July 30, 2007, 04:56:06 PM
Whats really sad is that Eastwood didn't give Lee a part in one of his Westerns.

the asshole >:(


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 30, 2007, 05:03:07 PM
Whats really sad is that Eastwood didn't give Lee a part in one of his Westerns.

You know what cigar, you're right about this. I never even though of that. I'm really surprised myself he didn't. Clint made many westerns, directed many; you would think he would have asked Lee at some point to be in one of his films. Strange.


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: cigar joe on July 30, 2007, 05:08:19 PM
Yea really strange, Eli Wallach also should have been in a Western too.


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 30, 2007, 05:17:35 PM
Yea really strange, Eli Wallach also should have been in a Western too.

Speaking of Eli Wallach...Clint didn't put him in any of his films until Mystic River (2003). This is kind of strange being Clint directed quite a few westerns in the 70's and 80's but he puts Eli in a drama when Eli was in his 90's. It's kind of funny. I could have easily seen Eli or Lee in High Plains Drifer, Outlaw Josey Wales, or Pale Rider.


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: geoman-1 on July 30, 2007, 05:24:57 PM
I think the main reason Clint had forsaken his trilogy cohorts was due in part
to him wanting to separate his body of work from Leone's. If those
actors were in HIS films the comparisons would have been unrelenting.


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: Kurug3n on July 30, 2007, 05:29:35 PM
Speaking of Eli Wallach...Clint didn't put him in any of his films until Mystic River (2003)

Did Eli actually have lines or no?


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 30, 2007, 05:47:24 PM
Did Eli actually have lines or no?

Yes, it's a small scene. He speaks in it. He plays a store clerk being questioned about a murder being investigated.


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 30, 2007, 05:48:04 PM
I think the main reason Clint had forsaken his trilogy cohorts was due in part
to him wanting to separate his body of work from Leone's. If those
actors were in HIS films the comparisons would have been unrelenting.

I agree geoman. This is most likely the reason.


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: Whalestoe on July 30, 2007, 07:51:55 PM
I agree geoman. This is most likely the reason.

Or maybe... he was worred about Wallach stealing the show, much like in GBU.  :P

Tuco's just such a great character, I love 'em!


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 30, 2007, 08:12:55 PM
Or maybe... he was worred about Wallach stealing the show, much like in GBU.  :P

Tuco's just such a great character, I love 'em!

I don't get where this stealing the show talk comes from. I don't think Clint was worried about getting his show stolen from him, same with Van Cleef. Each character was different and unique in their own way. Tuco was just outgoing, that's why people get more exciting watching him. Honestly at times while watching it, I think to myself, nobody touches Clint in coolness, even in this film.


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: Whalestoe on July 30, 2007, 08:41:03 PM
I was just kidding. ;)

Clint wins in coolness, for sure, but Tuco pulls at all my heartstrings on different levels. For example, the beating scene with the song (don't know the title) sung by the soldiers is so, so, so powerful.


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: Silenzio on July 30, 2007, 08:43:25 PM
It's called "The Story of a Soldier."


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 30, 2007, 08:56:18 PM
I was just kidding. ;)

Clint wins in coolness, for sure, but Tuco pulls at all my heartstrings on different levels. For example, the beating scene with the song (don't know the title) sung by the soldiers is so, so, so powerful.

haha, no Whalestoe, it's ok that you think that. It's your opinion buddy, and a lot of people here agree with you. I was just giving my opinion back.  O0


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: Whalestoe on July 30, 2007, 09:14:25 PM
It's called "The Story of a Soldier."

Thank you!
haha, no Whalestoe, it's ok that you think that. It's your opinion buddy, and a lot of people here agree with you. I was just giving my opinion back.  O0

No, I really wouldn't say he stole the show, but more so that... Tuco was the main character. That's my opinion.


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 30, 2007, 09:18:48 PM
Thank you!
No, I really wouldn't say he stole the show, but more so that... Tuco was the main character. That's my opinion.

Yeah, Tuco is basically the main character. I agree with you there. Eli Wallach was fantastic as Tuco. I honestly can't picture anybody else playing him.


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: Kurug3n on July 31, 2007, 01:05:54 AM
nobody touches Clint in coolness

except for Charles Bronson as.....

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/47/TheMechanicposter.jpg)!!!!!!!!!!!1one!!!

wish i had a bigger picture :'(


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: Whalestoe on July 31, 2007, 02:05:30 AM
He even strikes back... FROM THE GRAVE! BOOM!!! ;D


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 31, 2007, 08:28:14 AM
except for Charles Bronson as.....

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/47/TheMechanicposter.jpg)!!!!!!!!!!!1one!!!

wish i had a bigger picture :'(

Good old Chuck was awesome in that film.


Title: Re: "Maybe next time"
Post by: Tuco the ugly on October 06, 2007, 11:34:05 AM
except for Charles Bronson as.....

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/47/TheMechanicposter.jpg)!!!!!!!!!!!1one!!!

wish i had a bigger picture :'(

A bit boring, but Charlie carries the show on.