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Title: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: Two Kinds of ... on January 13, 2006, 11:36:18 PM
what a perfect movie.   Unbelievably brilliant.   Sergio went 3 for his last 4 on Masterpieces.
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: Leone Admirer on January 16, 2006, 07:53:03 AM
It is a great film, I watched it again recently and it still manages to captivate and hold you in its grasp to make the 3 hours and 40 minutes seem to melt away.
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: Two Kinds of ... on January 16, 2006, 05:17:24 PM
the scenes are all so memorable...
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: The Firecracker on August 05, 2006, 06:09:50 PM
what a perfect movie.   Unbelievably brilliant.   Sergio went 3 for his last 4 on Masterpieces.

So DYS cant be considered a masterpiece?
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: dave jenkins on August 07, 2006, 09:30:53 AM
I suspect that IS what he's saying. Too bad, just when I was starting to feel respect for the guy........ ;D
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: The Firecracker on August 07, 2006, 10:31:14 PM
I suspect that IS what he's saying. Too bad, just when I was starting to feel respect for the guy........ ;D

 :'( oh well.
can't win them all.
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: Sanjuro on August 07, 2006, 11:19:16 PM
:'( oh well.
can't win them all.

Don't worry, Firecracker. That doesn't change the fact that DYS is a great Leone film. A real Leone fan doesn't put any of Leone's work down.
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: Groggy on August 08, 2006, 05:42:30 AM
Don't worry, Firecracker. That doesn't change the fact that DYS is a great Leone film. A real Leone fan doesn't put any of Leone's work down.

So I'm not a real Leone fan for not liking FOD?  :'(
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: Sanjuro on August 08, 2006, 08:04:22 AM
So I'm not a real Leone fan for not liking FOD?  :'(

How can you not like it?
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: dave jenkins on August 08, 2006, 09:34:33 AM
I don't give a rat's ass about Colossus of Rhodes, does that make me not a Leone fan?
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: Tuco the ugly on August 08, 2006, 10:21:50 AM
I don't give a rat's ass about Colossus of Rhodes, does that make me not a Leone fan?

good point...
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: Sanjuro on August 08, 2006, 10:23:46 AM
I don't give a rat's ass about Colossus of Rhodes, does that make me not a Leone fan?

I opened a can of worm, didn't I? For me, there is a level of fondness among Leone films. Still I don't dislike any of them. But that is because I'm a sucker of Leone. Every lover sees a thousand graces in the  beloved object.

But the bottom line is, even if you have one or two Leone films you don't care about, as long as you love Leone, that's all matters, right? I didn't mean to offend anybody. But if I did, I apologize.
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 08, 2006, 03:26:50 PM
I opened a can of worm, didn't I? For me, there is a level of fondness among Leone films. Still I don't dislike any of them. But that is because I'm a sucker of Leone. Every lover sees a thousand graces in the  beloved object.

But the bottom line is, even if you have one or two Leone films you don't care about, as long as you love Leone, that's all matters, right? I didn't mean to offend anybody. But if I did, I apologize.

What you said earlier was true Sanjuro, if you love Leone's work, chances are you won't dislike any of his films. I think FOD is amateur compared to his other classic films...but I still like it.
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: Groggy on September 09, 2006, 05:16:32 AM
DYS is good, but a masterpiece?  Maybe Leone had the pretensions of it being one, but the final product is too. . . I dunno, what's the word I'm looking for?  I don't want to say "disjointed", but something about it doesn't work for me.  And, for the most part, the extra footage that's been added only adds to the confusion.
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: The Firecracker on September 09, 2006, 10:24:39 AM
DYS is good, but a masterpiece?  Maybe Leone had the pretensions of it being one, but the final product is too. . . I dunno, what's the word I'm looking for?  I don't want to say "disjointed", but something about it doesn't work for me.  And, for the most part, the extra footage that's been added only adds to the confusion.


You haven't seen it in widescreen, so you haven't seen it at all.
Plus it is a film that begs to be seen more then once in order to appreciate it's brilliance. I recall you saying you have only viewed it once, correct?


If anything...it is a flawed masterpiece but a masterpiece none the less.
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: The Peacemaker on September 09, 2006, 02:32:51 PM
I'll give my opinion when I see it in two weeks.  ;)
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: Groggy on September 09, 2006, 02:59:43 PM

You haven't seen it in widescreen, so you haven't seen it at all.
Plus it is a film that begs to be seen more then once in order to appreciate it's brilliance. I recall you saying you have only viewed it once, correct?


If anything...it is a flawed masterpiece but a masterpiece none the less.

Are you on drugs, Firecracker?

Granted, I haven't seen it in widescreen, but I've watched it at least six times, and probably more than that.  When did I say I've only watched it once?

Then again, I haven't seen "Patton" in widescreen either, and that's very high on my list.  So. . .  :P
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: The Firecracker on September 09, 2006, 03:13:40 PM
Are you on drugs, Firecracker?



was that really necessary?

when I said "recall" I meant I "somewhat remember" you saying you saw it once. Mistakes can be made. I'm only human.


and let's not compare Patten to DYS.

Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: Groggy on September 09, 2006, 03:18:06 PM
You're right Firecracker.  "Patton" is about ten times better than DYS.  :P
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: Silenzio on September 09, 2006, 03:24:38 PM
You're right Firecracker.  "Patton" is about ten times better than DYS.  :P

Break it up, you two.
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: geoman-1 on September 09, 2006, 03:26:00 PM
You're right Firecracker.  "Patton" is about ten times better than DYS.  :P
Maybe FC is sharing his stash with Groggy?? ;D ;D
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: The Firecracker on September 09, 2006, 03:30:19 PM
You're right Firecracker.  "Patton" is about ten times better than DYS.  :P


here I go! down the slope! singing zip zop zoobity bop!


perhaps you have never dealt with a friend betrayal before so the impact of the film goes zip zop flee right over your head. ;)
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: Groggy on September 09, 2006, 03:45:02 PM
But I liked OUATIA, so. . .
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: The Firecracker on September 09, 2006, 03:48:39 PM
But I liked OUATIA, so. . .

DYS has more content then America has I think. Not knocking you for your youth, maturity doesn't come with age. Just sayin maybe you have not experienced such a situation before...or maybe you don't have to? Not sure.

All I can say is...if ya don't see it as I do, it's your loss my fellow leonite.
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: Groggy on September 09, 2006, 03:55:49 PM
I hope I don't experience a situation where my friend tries to turn me into the law (though I won't be joining any terrorist organizations any time soon. . . or will I?  :o).
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: The Firecracker on September 09, 2006, 03:56:48 PM
I hope I don't experience a situation where my friend tries to turn me into the law (though I won't be joining any terrorist organizations any time soon. . . or will I?  :o).

well thankfully that didn't happen to me either but one betrayal is just as bad as another.
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: geoman-1 on September 09, 2006, 03:56:54 PM
Comparing the two films objectively IMHO:
 

                                                                                   
                    Plot        Continuity   Character Devel.     Music

DYS                B+            C                    A+                    A+

OUATIA          C+            B                    C                       B
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: The Firecracker on September 09, 2006, 03:58:59 PM
Comparing the two films objectively IMHO:
 

                                                                                   
                    Plot        Continuity   Character Devel.     Music

DYS                B              C                    A+                     A+

OUATIA          C+            B                    C                       B


 Aside from OUATIA main theme...I couldn't give a rat's feces about the music.


Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: Silenzio on September 09, 2006, 03:59:48 PM
I love OUATIA. A lot.
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: The Peacemaker on September 09, 2006, 04:00:52 PM
Comparing the two films objectively IMHO:
 

                                                                                   
                    Plot        Continuity   Character Devel.     Music

DYS                B+            C                    A+                    A+

OUATIA          C+            B                    C                       B

For OUATIA, I'd give music an A.

For DYS, I'd give the music an A+++++++++++++++++  :D
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: The Firecracker on September 09, 2006, 04:02:00 PM
America's music is it's weakest feature. Other than that, it's a masterpiece.
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: Silenzio on September 09, 2006, 04:03:30 PM
America's music is it's weakest feature. Other than that, it's a masterpiece.

Seconded. I really like some of the music (Cockeye's Theme), but the score isn't particularly memorable like Morricone's other stuff. I still think the score is great, and the movie is one of the best.
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: The Peacemaker on September 09, 2006, 04:05:17 PM
America's music is it's weakest feature. Other than that, it's a masterpiece.

I love the music of OUATIA.

But DYS's sountrack is the greatest Morricone-Leone collaboration. I love the freakin music in DYS.
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: The Firecracker on September 09, 2006, 04:06:26 PM
I still think the score is great,


 :-\

all that speakeasy filler music is crap. Morricone could do ten times better.
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: geoman-1 on September 09, 2006, 04:15:59 PM
I guess it's like comparing ex-girlfriends...each has their own memorable qualities 8)
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: The Firecracker on September 09, 2006, 04:20:27 PM
I guess it's like comparing ex-girlfriends...each has their own memorable qualities 8)


not my ex-girlfriends :-\
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: geoman-1 on September 09, 2006, 04:33:12 PM

not my ex-girlfriends :-\
I sense some bitterness here...  >:(
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: BeauButabi on September 09, 2006, 05:30:02 PM
A-HA! I think I've got it! Firecracker's ex-girlfriends all turned him into the law on certain occasions. Am I right?
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: The Firecracker on September 09, 2006, 05:32:14 PM
A-HA! I think I've got it! Firecracker's ex-girlfriends all turned him into the law on certain occasions. Am I right?


if you would have gone with

"the both of them are just plain wastes of human tissue"

then you would have been correct.
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: Groggy on September 10, 2006, 06:04:56 AM
I can only fervently disagree, as OUATIA is right up there with "Doctor Zhivago" as my favorite film score ever.  Yes, even the allegedly terrible Speakeasy music.  ::)

But I apologize for offending you Firecracker.  My tongue was planted firmly in cheek, but that didn't come across, so I'm sorry.
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: The Peacemaker on September 10, 2006, 10:15:15 AM
A-HA! I think I've got it! Firecracker's ex-girlfriends all turned him into the law on certain occasions. Am I right?

I guess Firecracker's good with explosives too.
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: geoman-1 on September 10, 2006, 10:23:28 AM
I guess Firecracker's good with explosives too.
Hey...easy on FC. Whatever he does in the privacy of his bedroom, explosives and all, is none of our business! ;D ;D
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: The Peacemaker on September 10, 2006, 10:24:56 AM
Hey...easy on FC. Whatever he does in the privacy of his bedroom, explosives and all, is none of our business! ;D ;D

Bedroom?  :-\

I never mentioned anything about a bedroom.  :o
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: geoman-1 on September 10, 2006, 10:27:22 AM
But that would explain the flying body parts ejected from his bedroom window the other night :o  (just kidding FC ;D)
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: The Peacemaker on September 10, 2006, 10:33:36 AM
But that would explain the flying body parts ejected from his bedroom window the other night :o  (just kidding FC ;D)

How would you know what's in his bedroom ( or for that matter, ejected out of ) Geoman?   :o   ;D



Sorry, I'm just playing around. No offense Geoman.  ;)
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: geoman-1 on September 10, 2006, 10:35:39 AM
How would you know what's in his bedroom ( or for that matter, ejected out of ) Geoman?   :o   ;D



Sorry, I'm just playing around. No offense Geoman.  ;)
oops :-[ ah...never mind ::)
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: The Peacemaker on September 10, 2006, 10:36:06 AM
oops :-[ ah...never mind ::)

It's alright, we're all just fooling around.
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: geoman-1 on September 10, 2006, 10:38:48 AM
OK, OK...so he asked me to light the fuse, OK? What's the big deal? No harm done, kinda :P (she really didn't feel a thing, it was over in a flash... literally)
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: The Peacemaker on September 10, 2006, 10:42:06 AM
OK, OK...so he asked me to light the fuse, OK? What's the big deal? No harm done, kinda :P (she really didn't feel a thing, it was over in a flash)

Oh my God! So YOU'RE the one who turned him over to the police!


I don't think Geoman, geoman, geoman sounds too good.  :D
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: geoman-1 on September 10, 2006, 10:43:58 AM



I don't think Geoman, geoman, geoman sounds too good.  :D
  ;D!
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: geoman-1 on September 10, 2006, 10:47:30 AM

if you would have gone with

"the both of them are just plain wastes of human tissue"

then you would have been correct.
It is all starting to add up!..human tissue, explosives, flying body parts etc. ;D
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: The Peacemaker on September 10, 2006, 10:54:43 AM
It is all starting to add up!..human tissue, explosives etc. ;D

And thanks to you Geoman, that human tissue no longer exists!
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: geoman-1 on September 10, 2006, 10:58:42 AM
Sorry...in the words of John Mallory " short fuse..."  ::)
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: The Firecracker on September 11, 2006, 05:23:56 PM
It is all starting to add up!..human tissue, explosives, flying body parts etc. ;D



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZXBlK7TngM
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: The Firecracker on September 12, 2006, 07:32:55 AM

if you would have gone with

"the both of them are just plain wastes of human tissue"

then you would have been correct.

ah crap! why is it my bad jokes are always offending everybody!?

It's like I have to watch what I say even on a movie forum ::)

anyway...the comments above are just jokes guys (you know jokes? ha ha?). In fact I have only had one girlfriend in my life (for four years now), not two. So can we please all just try and understand my bad humor is just humor?
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: The Peacemaker on September 12, 2006, 04:18:57 PM
Me and Geoman were just kidding around...







............or were we?  ;)
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: Silenzio on September 12, 2006, 04:22:00 PM
Me and Geoman were just kidding around...







............or were we?  ;)

Geoman, Geoman, Geoman!
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: The Peacemaker on September 12, 2006, 04:25:21 PM
Geoman, Geoman, Geoman!


 ;D

Just doesn't sound as good as Sean, Sean, Sean.
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: Silenzio on September 12, 2006, 04:26:37 PM

 ;D

Just doesn't sound as good as Sean, Sean, Sean.

Doesn't quite roll off the tongue as well.
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: The Firecracker on September 12, 2006, 06:55:26 PM
Me and Geoman were just kidding around...







that's the thing. WE were. But then people just get offended easily. no big deal.
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: The Firecracker on September 12, 2006, 11:34:06 PM
I can only fervently disagree, as OUATIA is right up there with "Doctor Zhivago" as my favorite film score ever.  Yes, even the allegedly terrible Speakeasy music.  ::)




never used the word "terrible". I said "Crap". Brings a different meaning to my statement.
I stick by my guns on this one. Unimaginative music on Morricone's part.
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: Aguirre on September 14, 2006, 01:40:07 PM
I'm gonna agree there. Usually Morricone's Scores go with the movie in such a way that's as if they were made as one.

Once Upon a Time in America seems like a standdard score except for some instances, but that's not enough.
It's very atmospheric, but not Morricone atmospheric besides few parts here and there.
Title: Re: My Yearly Encounter with this Classic
Post by: Leone Admirer on September 30, 2006, 03:29:10 PM
I must admit I liked all the music in OUATIA,

would love to have seen a night singer performing

"It had to be you"

hehehe... Priscilla Lane in Roaring Twenties anyone?