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Title: Man,Pride,Vengeance(L'uomo,l'orgoglio,la vendetta)(1968)
Post by: cigar joe on January 18, 2006, 08:41:22 PM
Got my FrancoCleef  English language restoration today, Nero & Kinsky can't go wrong with that,  ;D.

I'll report back asap.


Title: Re: Man, Pride, Vengence
Post by: Leone Admirer on January 19, 2006, 06:23:31 AM
Look forward to hearing about it Joe  :)


Title: Re: Man, Pride, Vengence
Post by: Banjo on January 19, 2006, 07:53:06 AM
Got my FrancoCleef  English language restoration today, Nero & Kinsky can't go wrong with that,  ;D.

I'll report back asap.
Where did you get this from Cigar Joe as i've been meaning to replace my knackered out vhs copy?
Leone Admirer-i've never seen Carmen(the Opera?) but this is a great SW-style version(although its based in Spain!!) and the straight/romantic performance of Nero is a revelation as is the actress who plays Carmen.Kinski is also on nasty top form and i really enjoy the Spanish flamenco guitar style accompaniment to the movie-the opening scene is a real killer btw!
Excellent movie!!!


Title: Re: Man, Pride, Vengence
Post by: cigar joe on January 19, 2006, 04:40:41 PM
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Where did you get this from Cigar Joe


FrancoCleef email him here:

http://disc.server.com/Indices/160642.html



Title: Re: Man, Pride, Vengence
Post by: Leone Admirer on January 19, 2006, 05:27:12 PM
thanks for the brief banjo. Sounds interesting, another one to add to the wish list.


Title: Re: Man, Pride, Vengence
Post by: cigar joe on January 19, 2006, 08:49:23 PM
Ok banjo, you are right, I guess this classifies as a Italian-Spanish Western  8).  1968.

Just got done watching this and its amazing to see the landscape un-linked to the myths of the American West. and re-hitched to a what you can only call a "Spanish Western "or maybe a "Spanish Almerian". 

For instance, you get familiar SW scenery and landscapes with riders going across but where your standard SW will cut away we follow as the rider approaches a medieval wall and goes through the gate, it aint Arizona or Texas anymore,lol.  I suppose if we all went back and watched the Hercules and other Sword & Sandal Epics we may see more familiar landscapes.
 
And its based on the classic novella Carmen that in turn the Opera was also based on.

Carmen is the beautiful gypsie seductress that is constantly conning guys that get trapped in her schemes through out her life, so basically that is what you get, but its very well made.

Dir. Luigi Bazzoni does a pretty good job with his treatment of the original material, instead of gunfights & battles you got some incredibly well shot action in fight scenes and knife fights. What you get is not the basic standard shot that you see in 99 % of films but a series of close in camera angles intercut with wider shots, it feels like you are part of the action.

There is also a bull fight sequence that is pretty cool, for the fact that it looks like it may be the same ring used in The Mercenary. There is some shooting but nothing like your standard SW.  Its a great way to see the classic Carmen "Spaghetti" style.

Carmen is played by Tina Aumont and she will remind you a lot of Claudia Cardinale, Franco Nero plays the officer Jose driven insane by Carmen and Klaus Kinsky in another cameo plays Carmen's out of the way in prison husband, so when he is finally released there is a settiling of accounts with Nero.

In fact there are a number of settling of accounts between Nero and Aumont.

There are a couple of regular SW actors you'll recognize in the cast, too.

The score is Spanish guitar and fits the film really well, its definitely a change of pace the story worked for me. Its one of those genre bending films that is more similar to SWs than anthing else.


Title: Re: Man, Pride, Vengence
Post by: cigar joe on January 20, 2006, 04:45:12 PM
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Cigar Joe LIKED a romance-centered SW!    Where's the other three horsemen of the Apocalypse?


lol, well it was a very borderline SW, and it was well made, and I used to have Francesco Rosi's Carmen (1984) and this version is way better and more interesting. 


Title: Re: Man, Pride, Vengence
Post by: Banjo on January 21, 2006, 01:58:20 AM
Spot on review Cigar Joe for what i consider a very much one of its kind SW!


Title: Re: Man, Pride, Vengence
Post by: indio on January 25, 2006, 01:58:47 AM
can anyone bring up a cover for this film i havn't got one.


Title: Re: Man, Pride, Vengence
Post by: cigar joe on January 25, 2006, 05:44:04 AM
(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7890/file0017uf.jpg)


Title: Re: Man, Pride, Vengence
Post by: indio on January 27, 2006, 02:08:32 AM
bless you.


Title: Re: Man, Pride, Vengence
Post by: Le Bon on January 27, 2006, 12:01:18 PM
Here's another one.


(http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/9140/manpridevengeance0ei.th.jpg) (http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=manpridevengeance0ei.jpg)


Title: Re: Man, Pride, Vengence
Post by: indio on January 27, 2006, 02:24:53 PM
thank you very much.


Title: Re: Man, Pride, Vengence
Post by: boardwalk_angel on February 11, 2006, 08:31:08 PM
Here's one that I like a lot-->

(http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/7007/uomoorgogliovendetta7qp.th.jpg) (http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uomoorgogliovendetta7qp.jpg)

Good movie...didn't particularly care for the English dub, though. This is one I would have preferred in Italian w/ English subs.
And..you can't fool me..trying to pass off Texas as Spain...HA!!  ::)  ;)


Title: Re: Man, Pride, Vengence
Post by: Banjo on February 12, 2006, 06:31:32 AM
I've got a video of this movie and i think Franco Nero's English dubbing is great as per usual as is the dubbing for Carmen and Kinski's character.The only anomaly are the Spanish bandits in the mountains who have strangely been given American accents!


Title: Pride and Vengeance (L'uomo, l'orgoglio, la vendetta)(1968)
Post by: titoli on December 27, 2006, 06:48:38 PM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062424/

http://www.spaghettiwestern.altervista.org/vendicatore.htm

This is not a SW, though the germans bandied it around like it was another Django movie. It's an adaptation of Mérimée's (not Bizet's) Carmen and I don't know how in fares on that side. Still it's a movie that, once you know  what to expect from it, fares not too badly, expecially in the scenes with Aumont and Nero. The italian is impeccable: I'm not a fan of his but he does a good job in representing Josè's fall into the abyss. Everybody criticizes Aumont: can't see why. I think she's good. I've never been a fan of her graces either, at least not in the measure of the many (among whom is ranked Tinto Brass) who think one of the most beautiful actresses of her generation. But she does a good job expecially in the scenes where she has to show her volubility.
The great let down comes from Kinsky: he delivers a performance too tame by his standards, not even helped by the italian dubber. The scenes where he is in are the most weak of the movie.


Title: Re: Pride and Vengeance (L'uomo, l'orgoglio, la vendetta)(1968)
Post by: cigar joe on December 27, 2006, 08:10:58 PM
I thought that this film did a fair job of what it was trying to do (Carmen), and I agree on Kinsky's lackluster performance, I was expecting him to be over the top, and I'm always disappointed when he's not. Aumont was good and Nero ok. I was impressed with the action cinematography during the fight sequence I thought that that was exceptional.


Title: Re: Pride and Vengeance (L'uomo, l'orgoglio, la vendetta)(1968)
Post by: titoli on December 27, 2006, 10:59:47 PM
What do you think of Tina Aumont,  CJ?


Title: Re: Pride and Vengeance (L'uomo, l'orgoglio, la vendetta)(1968)
Post by: cigar joe on December 28, 2006, 04:25:53 AM
I have no problem with her performance, and I don't see what the critics of Aumont could be complaining about. Could you elaborate? I'm missing something?


Title: Re: Pride and Vengeance (L'uomo, l'orgoglio, la vendetta)(1968)
Post by: titoli on December 28, 2006, 10:52:14 PM
I have no problem with her performance either, but actually I was referring to her beauty. Her face looks puffed up at times, as if she wereunder sedatives or something. She looked better in '70's films.


Title: Re: Pride and Vengeance (L'uomo, l'orgoglio, la vendetta)(1968)
Post by: cigar joe on December 29, 2006, 04:30:29 AM
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She looked better in '70's films.

Ahhh, ok, well I don't recall seeing her before, that I've taken notice, I see she was in Satyricon and also Modesty Blaze which I watched a few months ago, but I don't remember her in either.

Looks like she was in quite a few Euro films, that were never here.


Title: Re: Pride and Vengeance (L'uomo, l'orgoglio, la vendetta)(1968)
Post by: Banjo on January 09, 2007, 10:53:44 AM
After seeing the sw version of Hamlet and also being a fan of this movie i'm now hooked on these cowboy adaptations of literally/operatic classics.Wonder how many more are lurking out there? ::)


Title: Re: Man,Pride,Vengeance(L'uomo,l'orgoglio,la vendetta)(1968)
Post by: Banjo on May 26, 2007, 04:48:36 PM
Arizona Colts review:-

MAN, PRIDE & VENGEANCE-Never seen a Luigi Bazonni film before and after this one I'd like to see more. Beautifully shot film which obviously had a sizeable budget compared to many other italian westerns. Franco Nero is great here and dubs his own voice. Can't say enough good about this one. To reveal too much about the plot would spoil the many twists in this dramatic and very depressing movie. Although the first 40 minutes bear no resemblance to a spaghetti western and the remainder of the picture never quite makes it onto DJANGO territory(although there are a couple of shoot outs and a spectacular explosion and stagecoach robbery)the dramatics of the story drive the film to its shocking ending. The soundtrack is unique as it's not the typical spaghetti style score and is a bit bombastic. Kinski has a supporting role here as well. If you're looking for mindless gunbattles and no story whatsoever you should steer clear of this one. Highly recommended for those seeking something different for a change.


Title: Re: Pride and Vengeance (L'uomo, l'orgoglio, la vendetta)(1968)
Post by: SilenceSWDB on April 09, 2009, 09:44:02 AM
After seeing the sw version of Hamlet and also being a fan of this movie i'm now hooked on these cowboy adaptations of literally/operatic classics.Wonder how many more are lurking out there? ::)
The Fury Of Johnny Kid is an adaptation of Romeo and Julia.  :)     


Title: Re: Man,Pride,Vengeance(L'uomo,l'orgoglio,la vendetta)(1968)
Post by: dave jenkins on November 19, 2014, 07:54:14 AM
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=15467


Title: Re: Man,Pride,Vengeance(L'uomo,l'orgoglio,la vendetta)(1968)
Post by: dave jenkins on June 03, 2015, 08:44:40 AM
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Man-Pride-and-Vengeance-Blu-ray/118216/#Review