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Title: Massacre Time (Le colt cantarono la morte e fu...tempo di massacro)(1966)
Post by: titoli on January 20, 2006, 04:40:06 PM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061074/

http://www.spaghettiwestern.altervista.org/colt_cantarono.htm

This movie shows a very good director in Fulci: head and shoulder above the hacks of the trade (starting with Corbucci) in that he makes a point of always creating an original shot. Unfortunately he's not abetted by a solid screenplay (penned by Di Leo) and after a promising (though not original) start the movie loses itself in childish or  improbable plot turns. Still Fulci comes up often with some original solution which makes the movie a must see. Hilton steals the show from Nero, though his character is unresolved between a comic stance which will become his trademark and a more serious one.  Castelnuovo gives his best, but to me is not enough: I just can't figure him in the part. 
I think there's a japanese dvd with english audio around.


Title: Re: Massacre Time
Post by: boardwalk_angel on January 20, 2006, 05:08:02 PM
You're right about Hilton stealing the movie from Nero...this really got his SW career rolling.
There's gotta be a R1 disc around..I'm thinking Wildeast (?)...as it's available as a rental in one of my local video stores.


Title: Re: Massacre Time
Post by: Christopher on January 20, 2006, 06:40:59 PM
I've heard of this one before. Would love to see it.


Title: Re: Massacre Time
Post by: boardwalk_angel on January 20, 2006, 11:11:06 PM
This looks like the one I rented--->
http://www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/filmID.534064/qx/details.htm


Title: Re: Massacre Time
Post by: Banjo on January 21, 2006, 01:55:39 AM
I like Hilton especially in his Sartana/Hallelujah type roles but in the otherwise excellent Massacre Time(shame they dubb over Nero with that awful American accent) he comes over quite tiresome and irritating as the self-pitying drunk and its quite implausible that such a character could be so deadly with a gun.
Stick with the fun roles George,i say!


Title: Re: Massacre Time
Post by: titoli on January 21, 2006, 02:29:56 AM
that's exactly what he did, didn't he?


Title: Re: Massacre Time
Post by: titoli on January 21, 2006, 12:31:14 PM
Of course: you can't clown that much in gialli, can you?


Title: Re: Massacre Time
Post by: Banjo on January 22, 2006, 07:39:47 AM
that's exactly what he did, didn't he?
Do you think Hilton was trying to be funny Titoli?- because he's not and Massacre Time is far from the light-hearted sw's he excelled in like Any Gun Can Play,Moment To Kill,Sartana(can't recall full title!) and They Call Me Hallelujah.
Talking of his straighter roles i did like him in Bullet For Sandoval which is very bleak but a good western!


Title: Re: Massacre Time
Post by: titoli on January 22, 2006, 11:02:19 AM
If you read my first message in this topic you will see that I didn't speak of his character as simply funny.
About his later career it may not have been all on a funny line, but surely he is associated generally with a more lighhearted production than other actors like Nero or Gemma. 


Title: Re: Massacre Time
Post by: Banjo on January 23, 2006, 05:08:45 AM
Apologises Titoli, i misinterpreted you the first time!!


Title: Re: Massacre Time
Post by: The Peacemaker on December 28, 2006, 03:10:35 PM
I just saw this movie last night and it is easily one of my favorite SWs of all time. It's such a great movie! Very fun. There are some moments that are too unbelievable ( when George Hilton shoots six gunmen while riding a horse sideways ) and a few errors here and there ( 11 shots fired from a six-shooter, dead men at the bottom of the stairs that literally disappear in the next shot ).

Even with those mistakes, the movie's great. Interesting characters ( Junior is one of the sickest villains I've ever seen in a SW ), good pace, fantastic theme song. Good spaghetti that you'll soon want another helping of.


Title: Re: Massacre Time
Post by: cigar joe on December 28, 2006, 04:57:46 PM
What about the dubbing?


Title: Re: Massacre Time
Post by: The Peacemaker on December 28, 2006, 05:01:11 PM
The dubbing was very good.

Franco Nero's voice is believable. George Hilton's voice was a very good match too, but the best match IMO is Junior's. The person who did his voice added a hint of weirdness and sadism that fit the character like a glove.


Title: Re: Massacre Time
Post by: cigar joe on December 28, 2006, 05:05:38 PM
Thanks Peace you should always mention dubbing with SW reviews, it can be a killer with some films.  ;D


Title: Re: Massacre Time
Post by: The Peacemaker on December 28, 2006, 05:09:35 PM
Thanks Peace you should always mention dubbing with SW reviews, it can be a killer with some films.  ;D

You have a good point.

The worst part of Bullet for The General was Kinski's HORRIBLE dubbing.


Title: Re: Massacre Time
Post by: The Firecracker on December 30, 2006, 12:48:22 AM
What about the dubbing?

Who cares I say.

Get this film now. It's one of the best.


Title: Re: Massacre Time
Post by: Banjo on December 30, 2006, 04:50:07 AM
I care because we're deprived of Nero's disntinctive tones(and i'm not too sure of the great man playing 2nd fiddle to a drunken Hilton) but a very good sw all the same.It also has one of the best villains in this genre.


Title: Re: Massacre Time
Post by: The Peacemaker on December 30, 2006, 07:38:25 AM
It also has one of the best villains in this genre.

I agree completely.

Junior's sick.


Title: Re: Massacre Time
Post by: Arizona Colt on December 31, 2006, 02:48:33 PM
The italian disc has a 17 minute interview with Hilton but sadly no subs :(  However, the RHV release of the first two fun and enjoyable MACGREGOR films contains subbed interviews with Ernesto Gastaldi, who unlike many other italian directors is very humble and candid about the two films.


Title: Re: Massacre Time
Post by: The Firecracker on January 01, 2007, 02:34:46 AM
(and i'm not too sure of the great man playing 2nd fiddle to a drunken Hilton)


I don't think that was the intention but the comic relief (if he/she is actually funny) usually pulls the rug from under the main star in any film.

I totally don't mind Hilton stealing the show.


Title: Re: Massacre Time
Post by: Banjo on January 09, 2007, 10:57:33 AM
Like any drunk i actually found Hiltons inebriated mumblings quite tiresome and his prowess with a pistol in his hazy state is hard to take seriously but a minor quibble i guess :-\


Title: Re: Massacre Time
Post by: Banjo on May 26, 2007, 06:53:39 AM
Arizona Colts review:-

Finally finished MASSACRE TIME and was surprised not only by how enjoyable it was but the level of violence for a film from 1966. Lucio Fulci really shows early signs of where he would be heading in later years. An interesting plot with only a few minor quibbles that DO NOT hinder ones enjoyment of this fine addition. First, something that's not so bad as opposed to unexpected, George Hilton steals the movie out from under Franco Nero who doesn't really show signs of life until towards the end. Hilton was so fun to watch that it could've been just him and the movie would still be good. Two, Nero seems to be playing two parts here. In several scenes Nero wears a black hat and cowl VERY similar to his look in DJANGO and appears to play the character that way. However, when he is wearing the standard cowboy garb he plays the character differently. Perhaps it was just me but it seemed a bit odd and I believe this film was released in Germany as a DJANGO sequel too. Lastly, the action sequences(not the gun battles)are undercranked WAAAYYYY too much making the scenes look like they'd be right at home in a 1920s silent picture. Still, these scenes as well as the gun battles are very creative and a breath of fresh air compared with the usual players standing on opposite sides running and shooting at each other. Some of them looking suspiciously like they were choreographed by a Hong Kong action crew. The villain is unusually sadistic also and the characters have a penchant for unloading there guns into one person with some of them still staggering around after taking a few slugs adding to the over the top atmosphere of the proceedings. Definitely worth checking out. The region one discs' picture quality isn't the best so I'll probably add the region two edition to my collection if the quality is better. It's worth buying twice to get a good copy.

 A Snippet from Silenzio :-

Massacre Time
This one was disappointing, I'm glad i realized it was available on NetFlix before I went out and bought it. There's really nothing at all special about this one. It was pretty bland, the photography wasn't special... the music wasn't special... not even Nero was special... the villain wasn't special. The only good bit was the last twenty minutes, and even that wasn't THAT good, just simple action.



Title: Re: Massacre Time
Post by: The Firecracker on July 01, 2007, 10:03:53 PM
A Snippet from Silenzio :-

Massacre Time
This one was disappointing, I'm glad i realized it was available on NetFlix before I went out and bought it. There's really nothing at all special about this one. It was pretty bland, the photography wasn't special... the music wasn't special... not even Nero was special... the villain wasn't special. The only good bit was the last twenty minutes, and even that wasn't THAT good, just simple action.




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Title: Re: Massacre Time
Post by: Jill on July 02, 2007, 02:42:42 AM
Hm... I haven't seen, but I have some ideas. There are two Corbetts in the film... brothers maybe? Uh. In a spag. that means they'll kill each other...  ;D

And in the imdb poster the man wears the same clothes as MWNN?


Title: Re: Massacre Time
Post by: moviesceleton on July 02, 2007, 08:50:24 AM
My exhaustive review: I saw this some time ago but I'll say 7/10.


Title: Re: Massacre Time
Post by: The Firecracker on July 02, 2007, 10:10:34 AM


And in the imdb poster the man wears the same clothes as MWNN?

Yes Franco Wears the same sheep skin coat and also dresses as Django sometimes.


Title: Re: Massacre Time
Post by: cigar joe on November 24, 2007, 06:23:05 PM
Watched it today, it was entertaining, the dubbing was good, not a top 20 but better than the vast majority of SW's.

The final shootout had a few over the top moments and the ranchhouse seemed to have extraneous architecture soley for the purpose of stunts, weird ramps, skywalks that got no apparent reason that end at a rooftop, etc.,etc.

This was a "gravel pitter" looks like it was shot all in Italy in gravel pits in the white rocked Dolomites.


Title: Re: Massacre Time
Post by: titoli on November 25, 2007, 08:18:16 PM
No, it was shot near Rome. A person working with me told me he was there while they were shooting the whipping scene. At the time he owned a kind of osteria and he actually had most of the crew as patrons. I can't remember where but I'll ask him again. He said that Kinski was there too because apparently he had been promised a role and then it didn't materialize. Actually my acquaintance had some kind of scruff with Kinski but then people explained to him that he had a chip on his shoulder because of the misbehaviour of producers. I presume everybody will agree that Kinski would have fit the part perfectly. It would be worth asking somebody how Castelnuovo got the part, though I presume it was because he was quite popular at the time.


Title: Re: Massacre Time
Post by: dave jenkins on November 25, 2007, 09:48:19 PM
No, it was shot near Rome. A person working with me told me he was there while they were shooting the whipping scene. At the time he owned a kind of osteria and he actually had most of the crew as patrons. I can't remember where but I'll ask him again. He said that Kinski was there too because apparently he had been promised a role and then it didn't materialize. Actually my acquaintance had some kind of scruff with Kinski but then people explained to him that he had a chip on his shoulder because of the misbehaviour of producers.
Great story. I sure hope it's true.


Title: Re: Massacre Time (Le colt cantarono la morte e fu...tempo di massacro)(1966)
Post by: titoli on November 26, 2007, 12:06:07 AM
What if I made it up (he didn't. He couldn't even remember the title of the movie, just remembered this scene and I got on to it)?


Title: Re: Massacre Time (Le colt cantarono la morte e fu...tempo di massacro)(1966)
Post by: cigar joe on November 26, 2007, 08:04:29 AM
It still looks like gravel pits, they do have a "badlands look" when you are down in them looking up, you must have white rock at Rome also  :) , If I remember Tuco in the mine in GBU the walls of the mine were all white too and that was shot near or in Rome.

I saw you have an easily carvable white rock in Rome on a program we have here in the US called "Underground " something or other, where they go under the streets of various cities to show their lost  burried past.


Title: Re: Massacre Time (Le colt cantarono la morte e fu...tempo di massacro)(1966)
Post by: The Firecracker on November 27, 2007, 05:22:30 PM
Thanks Titoli for the great story!


Title: Re: Massacre Time (Le colt cantarono la morte e fu...tempo di massacro)(1966)
Post by: titoli on November 28, 2007, 11:28:49 AM
You think it's true?


Title: Re: Massacre Time (Le colt cantarono la morte e fu...tempo di massacro)(1966)
Post by: The Firecracker on November 28, 2007, 02:58:46 PM
You think it's true?

Whether it is or it isn't doesn't make it any less interesting.

I find the Kinski thing questionable. Why would an actor, who wasn't given a role in the film, show up in the middle of the shoot claiming that somebody promised him a role?

It's a clunky story but a good one.





Title: Re: Massacre Time (Le colt cantarono la morte e fu...tempo di massacro)(1966)
Post by: titoli on November 28, 2007, 04:17:38 PM
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Whether it is or it isn't doesn't make it any less interesting.

I agree.

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I find the Kinski thing questionable. Why would an actor, who wasn't given a role in the film, show up in the middle of the shoot claiming that somebody promised him a role?

That's what made me perplexed when this fella first told me. I explained to him that Kinski wasn't in the movie but he (a Kinski fan, BTW) insisted on it and confirmed it even after having watched the movie a few months ago, when it was released in dvd in a newsagency-sold series. Actually he had always thought that Kinski was somewhere to be seen in the crowd at the party as he remembers him to be there.
I'll ask him again first chance about the name of the place and also if he knows where the gravel pits are located.


Title: Re: Massacre Time (Le colt cantarono la morte e fu...tempo di massacro)(1966)
Post by: The Firecracker on November 28, 2007, 09:34:44 PM
Actually he had always thought that Kinski was somewhere to be seen in the crowd at the party as he remembers him to be there.

I would check myself but I gave my one, and only, copy to CJ
(I plan on buying a legit copy soon anyway).

If Kinski was indeed there it shouldn't be too hard to pick out a blonde from the crowd, taking into account that

A. He was there

and

B. The camera grazed by him


I'll ask him again first chance about the name of the place and also if he knows where the gravel pits are located.


That would be sublime.

Thanks again.


Title: Re: Massacre Time (Le colt cantarono la morte e fu...tempo di massacro)(1966)
Post by: titoli on November 28, 2007, 10:23:06 PM
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That would be sublime.

Planning to come to Rome?


Title: Re: Massacre Time (Le colt cantarono la morte e fu...tempo di massacro)(1966)
Post by: cigar joe on November 28, 2007, 10:31:43 PM
ask moviesceleton I passed the copy on to Finnland.  O0


Title: Re: Massacre Time (Le colt cantarono la morte e fu...tempo di massacro)(1966)
Post by: The Firecracker on November 28, 2007, 10:38:23 PM
Planning to come to Rome?

Have a tripped planned in 2009 actually.


Title: Re: Massacre Time (Le colt cantarono la morte e fu...tempo di massacro)(1966)
Post by: titoli on November 28, 2007, 11:47:04 PM
Let me know the exact dates: I'll make myself scarce.


Title: Re: Massacre Time (Le colt cantarono la morte e fu...tempo di massacro)(1966)
Post by: The Firecracker on November 29, 2007, 12:14:07 PM
Let me know the exact dates: I'll make myself scarce.

Will do.


Title: Re: Massacre Time (Le colt cantarono la morte e fu...tempo di massacro)(1966)
Post by: titoli on December 06, 2007, 10:40:10 PM
here's the place where the whipping scene was shot:

http://www.castellodicorcolle.com/secondapagina/secondapagina.htm

My colleague doesn't know about the gravel pits, but he will see the movie again.


Title: Re: Massacre Time (Le colt cantarono la morte e fu...tempo di massacro)(1966)
Post by: The Firecracker on December 08, 2007, 05:41:00 PM
here's the place where the whipping scene was shot:

http://www.castellodicorcolle.com/secondapagina/secondapagina.htm


SWEET O0


My colleague doesn't know about the gravel pits, but he will see the movie again.


I don't recall any gravel pits. Maybe CJ is referring to the rather large plain that the characters travel through to reach the Scott ranch?







Title: Re: Massacre Time (Le colt cantarono la morte e fu...tempo di massacro)(1966)
Post by: cigar joe on December 12, 2007, 09:22:45 PM
It looks like the pits are the scene where he finds his brother drunk in the house. Right next to and around the house look like pits.


Title: Re: Massacre Time (Le colt cantarono la morte e fu...tempo di massacro)(1966)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 11, 2008, 12:38:52 AM


My colleague doesn't know about the gravel pits, but he will see the movie again.

Congrats to your college! He was right about Kinski.
Nero (whom I spoke to during an interview) spared the details but he did say that Kinski DID showup on the day of the wipping scene.


Title: Re: Massacre Time (Le colt cantarono la morte e fu...tempo di massacro)(1966)
Post by: titoli on April 11, 2008, 03:56:52 AM
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Congrats to your college! He was right about Kinski.

Congratulations to Dave Jenkins, who spurned  us to seek the truth!


Anyway, the congrats to my colleague are not due because he couldn't have been wrong, as  he doesn't suffer from hallucinatory processes and is a Kinski's fan.