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Title: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: cigar joe on January 31, 2006, 04:27:08 PM
Check this out and post what you guys think.  ;)

http://metaphilm.com/philm.php?id=445_0_2_0_M4


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 31, 2006, 09:44:02 PM
That's an interesting piece. The parallels between the two films are interesting, but I don't really see them as significant. Next time I watch DM, though, I'll keep them in mind.

Insofar as the writer uses the comparison to comment favorably on MNIN, I agree. For the reasons articulated (and more besides) MNIN is a better film than DM. MNIN is highly entertaining, DM (and all Jarmusch films) tend to be soporific. But when the writer claims that MNIN is the first post-modern film I have to say, Wasn't OUATITW the first post-modern film? The earlier film, with its use of quotations and references to the American Westerns that had come before, created the very situation the writer reserves for MNIN: viewers, reminded of the fact they are watching a Western, observe themselves watching a Western. MNIN does that trick again (and with humor), but OUATITW accomplished it first.


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: Sandman_USMC on February 01, 2006, 10:51:22 AM
The comparisons between the two films are very interesting.  I wouldn't doubt it if at some point in Jim Jarmusch's life he watched and remembered My Name is Nobody while making Dead Man, even if on a subliminal basis.

I have seen both films and I appreciate the level of thought in both.  However, Dead Man is definitely in it's own category.

One thing is for sure, there aren't enough good modern made westerns out there.  We need more courageous directors like Jim Jarmusch who the guts to make a good western that is well thought out and can deliver a full range of emotions to the viewer.

In my opinion, Dead Man borrows a bit of Leone and Peckinpah.  It's Leone on the level of thought and ingenuity, and Peckinpah when it comes to flat out mean characters.  The hired gunman who shoots that black cowboy in the back is downright racist and mean!  Sure, it makes you angry.  Then he guns down the other guy just for talking too much  :o  This racism and cold heartedness were just facts of life in their day, and should be understood by the viewer from a historical context.

There's also a part of Dead Man that is neither Leone or Peckinpah...it's more like a ride on a hallucinogenic drug that fits in with Oliver Stone (Natural Born Killers) or Quentin Tarantino (Pulp Fiction)...and that's why it's rated R.

If you're up for an interesting change...go buy or rent it.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004Z4WX/002-8426051-4926403?v=glance&n=130

Oh, I almost forgot.  The sound track for this movie is written and played by Neil Young.  I'm not a major fan of his, but I tell you the acoustic guitar in this movie is outstanding.  If you have any reason to check it out it would be to listen to it.  I sat back and watched it on my Sony wide screen with the Bose 5.1 home theatre kicking in the sound waves from all sides...it was a splended experience.  This type of sound is one thing you won't get from older westerns...you can only dream of it.


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: dave jenkins on February 01, 2006, 05:10:41 PM
I agree, the soundtrack for DM is outstanding. It's odd that the writer of the comparison piece didn't mention the fact that Neil Young had written the film's score.


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: Amaze on October 02, 2006, 01:06:21 AM
Intro with nice guitar by Neil Young (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7__lO0A3wQ)

anyone seen this? is it good?
I'm trying to get a hold of it, looks good to me.

imdb page (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112817/)


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: The Firecracker on October 02, 2006, 03:01:34 AM
Intro with nice guitar by Neil Young (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7__lO0A3wQ)

anyone seen this? is it good?
I'm trying to get a hold of it, looks good to me.

imdb page (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112817/)

Tried sitting through this one on the "indie" channel a few years ago but failed. It's beyond tedious. Perhaps another try is in order.


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: cigar joe on October 02, 2006, 05:25:18 AM
Once you get past the train ride at the beginning it picks up in the town of Machine and there is a nice cameo with Robert Mitchum. But its different, goes into sort of a dream type sequence.


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: The Peacemaker on October 02, 2006, 09:03:34 AM
It's a really cool movie.

The beginning is boring, but as the movie progresses it begins to get interesting as, like CJ said, it goes into a sort of dreamy atmosphere.

I really liked the movie. I should rent it again sometime.


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: Tim on October 02, 2006, 09:14:56 AM
  Didn't really care for this one.  It sounded like an interesting idea with it being in black-and-white, but as has been pointed out, the beginning was really slow so I stopped watching about 40 minutes in.


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: Amaze on October 05, 2006, 02:18:31 PM
I thought it was a decent movie. just not a typical western to say the least. I liked the symbolic voyage from life to death.


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: The Peacemaker on October 05, 2006, 05:12:45 PM
I thought it was a decent movie. just not a typical western to say the least. I liked the symbolic voyage from life to death.

The ending scared the hell out of me.  :-\


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: Amaze on October 05, 2006, 05:43:12 PM
I don't about scary, but definitly surreal  8)


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: The Peacemaker on October 05, 2006, 09:28:35 PM
I don't about scary, but definitly surreal  8)

Well, I was watching it at 1 in the morning with the lights off. So it was kinda scarey.  ::)


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: tucumcari bound on May 27, 2007, 05:58:22 PM
Jim Jarmusch's flat out masterpiece. A brilliant western that goes unnoticed at times. I just can't get over how this movie sucks you in from the get go. From the beautiful camera work and photography, to the outstanding acting from Johnny Depp who I believe is the perfect actor for a western. I just hope he appears in another someday down the road. Also, wasn't Robert Mitchum's appearence hilarious and memorable at that?

Any thoughts about Dead Man, please post em...


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: The Firecracker on May 27, 2007, 06:02:22 PM
this movie sucks


 ;D


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: tucumcari bound on May 27, 2007, 06:03:27 PM

 ;D

Oh, thanks Firecracker. lol I guess that means you don't agree with my opinions.  :o


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: The Firecracker on May 27, 2007, 06:07:07 PM
Oh, thanks Firecracker. lol I guess that means you don't agree with my opinions.  :o


nah just joshin'

I know many who dislike it but from what I have seen (just snippets really) it looks interesting enough for a view.


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: Man with no dame on May 27, 2007, 06:11:10 PM
I've been meaning to rent that. Pretty good, huh? Didn't know it was a Jarmuch flick. O0


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: tucumcari bound on May 27, 2007, 06:13:28 PM
I've been meaning to rent that. Pretty good, huh? Didn't know it was a Jarmuch flick. O0

Yes, you have to see it Man. It's not your traditional western by no means. It's got it's own unique style, but if you're a LEONE fan that won't bother you. You should give it a shot. It's in black and white, hope that doesn't bother you.


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: T.H. on May 27, 2007, 06:13:53 PM
I'm with you TB on Dead Man, it's excellent, easily the best Western of the past 25 years that isn't named Unforgiven. It might be better, I would have to watch them back to back to decide.


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: Man with no dame on May 27, 2007, 06:18:09 PM
Yes, you have to see it Man. It's not your traditional western by no means. It's got it's own unique style, but if you're a LEONE fan that won't bother you. You should give it a shot. It's in black and white, hope that doesn't bother you.
No, I liked Ed Wood. Nice misquote, Firecracker. O0


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: tucumcari bound on May 27, 2007, 06:20:44 PM
I'm with you TB on Dead Man, it's excellent, easily the best Western of the past 25 years that isn't named Unforgiven, it's possibly better. I would have to watch them back to back to decide.

Thanks Tuco. I'm beginning to think you're brilliant my friend. hahaha. You have some good taste buddy. That's an idea though, watching Unforgiven and Dead Man back to back. I have not done this yet.


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: T.H. on May 27, 2007, 07:05:16 PM
I haven't either....I may have to do that pretty soon.

We can always form an alliance: The Claudia Cardinale, Dead Man, Sigur Ros appreciators club or something. Yeah, the name would need some work.  :D


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: tucumcari bound on May 27, 2007, 07:22:10 PM
I haven't either....I may have to do that pretty soon.

We can always form an alliance: The Claudia Cardinale, Dead Man, Sigur Ros appreciators club or something. Yeah, the name would need some work.  :D

hahahaa that sounds good. You know how much I love Claudia!


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: marmota-b on May 28, 2007, 05:53:25 AM
Dead Man is one of the films I wish I could see... after the graduation. :P It's getting to be my usual phrase now...


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: Nakadai on May 28, 2007, 06:36:21 AM
It's excellent, and Neil Young's score is even better.   ???


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: tucumcari bound on May 28, 2007, 09:36:44 AM
It's excellent, and Neil Young's score is even better.   ???

Yes, I love Niel Young's score. It's funny, that's one of the things that consitently gets criticized when I bring up the film. I think the music is great.


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: cigar joe on May 28, 2007, 01:52:26 PM
I liked it too, don't remember the score to it though.


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: Nakadai on May 28, 2007, 02:36:15 PM
Yes, I love Niel Young's score. It's funny, that's one of the things that consitently gets criticized when I bring up the film. I think the music is great.

Really? Shame, I thought it matched the feel of the film perfectly truly adding to the films already isolated and disorienting feel.

I liked it too, don't remember the score to it though.

http://human-highway.com/sounds/deadman.mp3

A rip of the main  theme from deadman, which for some reason wasn't included on the films soundtrack album. Instead it offers up a an edited version minus the backing acoustic accompaniments, whichs just so happens to be my favorite part. 



Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: tucumcari bound on May 29, 2007, 11:08:44 PM
I wish that track was on the soundtrack! This is why I haven't purchased it yet.


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: cigar joe on May 30, 2007, 04:32:08 PM
Its going to be in my collection but its not a priority right now ;)


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: dave jenkins on May 30, 2007, 05:16:46 PM
Love the music and the photography (was that Robby Mulller again?). What I can't stand is the plot, or the fact that there really isn't a plot. Plotlessness can sometimes be a virtue (in films by Wenders, for example), but not in a Western. Gotta have a solid story in a Western, one that plays on the strengths of the genre.


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: The Firecracker on November 14, 2008, 09:33:50 PM
Saw it about a year ago.
It isn't bad although the avenging at the end is a bit of an anti-climax.

But I suppose a film so untraditional wouldn't have had a traditional ending to begin with.

Good to see Mitchum in it.




Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: marmota-b on November 15, 2008, 12:19:22 AM
Dead Man is one of the films I wish I could see... after the graduation. :P It's getting to be my usual phrase now...

Well, I saw part of it in the meantime, and had to stop watching it... it didn't agree with me. Though I could see how others can love it. I still love the music.


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: Dust Devil on July 23, 2009, 01:08:23 AM
Watched Dead Man again today and it's definitely not a bad Western, but it is more experimental and weird than it is good in a classic sense, and a little plot would have really done it much good. The music, on the other hand, was horrible: uninspired and maladjusted. Neil Young's arduous guitar derailing many important scenes in this movie is nothing that should be praised. He is, I think, a good musician, albeit a poor movie composer.


6.75/10


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: noodles_leone on July 23, 2009, 03:59:44 AM
I disagree about the music, which I like (even if flawed), and fully agree about the rating and the lack of plot. With a nice plot, this movie could have been a masterpiece.


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: noodles_leone on July 23, 2009, 04:00:25 AM
... but i have the feeling that Jarmush is not that much into masterpieces. I suspect him to be more interested in atmospheres than in anything else.


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: Dust Devil on July 23, 2009, 05:53:12 AM
I also suspect that could be true.


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: Colonel Günther Ruiz on July 23, 2009, 06:06:26 PM
Watched Dead Man again today and it's definitely not a bad Western, but it is more experimental and weird than it is good in a classic sense, and a little plot would have really done it much good. The music, on the other hand, was horrible: uninspired and maladjusted. Neil Young's arduous guitar derailing many important scenes in this movie is nothing that should be praised. He is, I think, a good musician, albeit a poor movie composer.
6.75/10

I completely agree with your review.   O0


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: moviesceleton on July 25, 2009, 03:28:52 AM
Apparently this still isn't available with Finnish subtitles. I guess I'll have to get along with English subtitles.


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: Dust Devil on July 25, 2009, 11:11:35 AM
Apparently this still isn't available with Finnish subtitles. I guess I'll have to get along with English subtitles.

What the hell... If you understand the English subtitles why don't you watch it in English?


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: marmota-b on July 25, 2009, 01:04:45 PM
What the hell... If you understand the English subtitles why don't you watch it in English?

Because it's easier to read a foreign language and understand than to listen to it and understand. That's why.


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: moviesceleton on July 26, 2009, 01:32:29 AM
Because it's easier to read a foreign language and understand than to listen to it and understand. That's why.
O0


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: marmota-b on July 26, 2009, 04:08:45 AM
At least when you start learning it from books, which is the usual practice...


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: moviesceleton on July 26, 2009, 04:14:03 AM
Sometimes I wish there would be subtitles in Finnish movies, too, because they mumble so bad that you can't understand what they say.


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: marmota-b on July 26, 2009, 04:34:06 AM
Yes, I feel the same way about some Czech films. Oh, the good old days of black-and-white, when their Czech was so clear and perfectly pronounced! With the exception of Vlasta Burian, but he's great in other things...
Stop, no more off topic. ;)


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: Dust Devil on July 26, 2009, 11:21:55 AM
You shouldn't have problems watching Dead Man; there's not much dialogue, and the English in it is basic.


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: moviesceleton on July 26, 2009, 12:45:36 PM
I recently had the opportunity to watch The Limits of Control (I'll elaborate elsewhere), without subtitles and I must say that even though I understood most of the dialogue at times I really missed subtitles.


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: Dust Devil on July 27, 2009, 02:05:26 AM
It's just a (bad) habit, trust me. Years ago when I started watching English language movies on DVDs I'd always turn the subtitles on, although I already knew English and I understood 90% of what they were saying, if I didn't turn them on it was like there was something missing, I needed confirmation from the subtitles. So, start gradually with movies that don't use slang and in maybe a month you won't be a subtitle addict anymore.


Title: Re: Dead Man (1995)
Post by: marmota-b on July 27, 2009, 09:35:24 AM
I guess that depends on how much you know of the language... I think now I'm also able to watch English films without subtitles, but I couldn't do that with Finnish yet... and watching a Saami film (Ofelaš) with Norwegian subtitles left me with a lot to desire in my understanding about the characters' intentions and reasons behind their actions!