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Title: FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
Post by: SquareTex on November 13, 2002, 02:48:47 PM
I keep forgetting to ask this, and I don't know if it was ever brought up on the old board, so here goes...

I thought I saw something missing in the DVD version in the scene where Indio and his gang are beating on Monco and Mortimer. At first, Indio is the only one laughing at the scene, but soon the other bandits join in. But then Indio stops laughing, his smile fades into a frown...and then the cut comes.

On the VHS version I have, Indio leaps down from the wall, yelling at them to stop it. He also tells Nino to tie them up in a side room. When one of the others asks Indio why he wants them to remain alive, that's where the cut ended, as Indio asked what the El Paso sherrif was doing at that point.

So why didn't the DVD have that little snippet? ???
Title: Re:FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
Post by: Cal on November 13, 2002, 07:38:06 PM
Hmmm. I will have to check that one out.

Another scene that is missing even from the DVD is Clint with a hooker in bed. I've seen a photo of this scene. I believe it is from this film. If not, then it is GBU.
Title: Re:FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
Post by: SquareTex on November 14, 2002, 07:15:53 AM
Yeah, everything I've heard about the prostitute scene has been about GBU.

For this, I was just lucky in that I have two versions of the film. :)
Title: Re:FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
Post by: AS on November 15, 2002, 01:29:03 PM
You are right, the scene is missing in DVD. It's the international version of the film: in the italian vhs the scene is present and also when Clint enters the saloon in White Rocks the scene is cut during the thunder...it's a pity! The scene with Clint and Mara Krupp in bed was shot but never released in Italy and elsewhere.
Title: Re:FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
Post by: Cal on November 16, 2002, 08:18:28 AM
Any chance someone could put this scene online? I'd love to check it out.
Title: Re:FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
Post by: Ramon on November 16, 2002, 11:14:29 AM

Does anyone know who played the prostitute in the GBU deleted scene, my DVD has Marianne Koch listed (even though the it doesn't contain the scene)?

However I have seen a still from the deleted scene and the actress doesn't look like Marianne Koch to me.

Title: Re:FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
Post by: Concorde on December 12, 2002, 02:02:18 PM
Gosh, do ya think it might have been Mara Krupp?

 ;)
Title: Mara & Marianne
Post by: jouissance on December 12, 2002, 02:29:45 PM
Here you go: after several searches on my film databases this is what I came up with.

Marianne Koch is listed as playing Marisol in AFOD. STUDIO SYSTEM (which our company pays thousands of dollars for per year) supports IMDB.

Mara Krupp is listed as playing Mary in FAFDM. Again using both databases, I only find her listed in this role and she never played a postitute. Interesting to note, she is listed in several places as "Mara Krup" just one "p".

Neither women were in GBU as far as credits are concerned and neither played a prostitute nor did any of them end up in bed with Clint. Hope that helps.

jouissance...
Title: Re:FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
Post by: Brendan on December 13, 2002, 10:35:20 PM
The following comes from the IMDB:

One of the laserdisc releases contains a still on the inside cover of Eastwood in bed with a woman that has never appeared in any version of the film.


Check it out http://us.imdb.com/AlternateVersions?0060196 (http://us.imdb.com/AlternateVersions?0060196)
Title: Re:FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
Post by: Jupa on January 06, 2003, 12:30:07 PM
Hmmm. I will have to check that one out.

Another scene that is missing even from the DVD is Clint with a hooker in bed. I've seen a photo of this scene. I believe it is from this film. If not, then it is GBU.

I think it is from GBU and it was cut from the final version.
Title: Re:FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
Post by: Halis on March 03, 2003, 05:05:19 AM
The Prostitute in bed with Blondie in GBU is Silvana Bacci isn't it?
Title: Re:Mara & Marianne
Post by: aaronson on April 10, 2003, 05:53:35 AM

Neither women were in GBU as far as credits are concerned and neither played a prostitute nor did any of them end up in bed with Clint. Hope that helps.

jouissance...
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 Hi, jouissance (are you french?).
 Did you forget Bill Carson (Jackson)'s girl-friend? She is a prostitute in GBU.At the beginning of a scene, she is pushed down by four drunked singing soldiers. It seems they beated her ,may be raped her.She is angry and insulted them.Sentenza (in English Version Angel Eye ?) waits for her at home and beated her.I remember she was a pretty girl .
Blondie may be was agree with me .  
Title: Re:FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
Post by: Halis on April 10, 2003, 03:40:16 PM
Okay, let me put it this way:
The prostitute in bed with Blondie in the missing scene from GBU is most definitely Silvana Bacci, about which I have no doubt. She is not credited.

The girl raped by the soldiers and beaten by Setenza in GBU is most definitely Rada Rassimov, who may well not be credited.

Mara Krupp most definitely  plays the wife of the dwarf Hotel-keeper in FAFDM. Apparently there is a photograph from a deleted scene where she attempts to get in bed with Clint.

Marianne Koch is Marisol in FOD.  

Rosemary Dexter is Colonel Mortimer's daughter, raped by Indio in FAFDM.
Title: Re:FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
Post by: Il Buono on April 11, 2003, 08:24:11 AM
Mortimer's sister, you mean.

I quote:
'There seems to be a resemblance.'
-'Naturally, between brother and sister.'
Title: Re:FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
Post by: maxus2 on April 14, 2003, 04:34:39 AM
 

I have 3 versions.

The full screen/pan-scan vhs. the LBX vhs & the dvd. The full screen VHS is the most complete version. Both the VHS LBX & the DVD have that cut, & the full-screen VHS has better sound too btw.

No one has mentioned there is also a slight cut at the end of Indio's Jail break scene yet have they ? The camera lingers just a tiny bit longer on Indio, who's laugh becomes somewhat more disturbing & maniacal. Granted these are very small cuts, but once you have seen them, & then watch the Lbx or dvd versions, one tends to miss them.

I wonder what else is missing. I remember seeing an interview with Clint a long time ago in which he said they cut a lot out of all 3 films.

Title: Re:FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
Post by: Halis on April 15, 2003, 01:06:11 AM
Mortimer's sister, you mean.

I quote:
'There seems to be a resemblance.'
-'Naturally, between brother and sister.'

My apologies, my mistake. Yes I did mean Mortimer's sister.
Title: Re:FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
Post by: Il Buono on April 15, 2003, 05:02:20 AM
 ;)
Title: Re:FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
Post by: Halis on April 15, 2003, 02:57:36 PM
 8)
Title: TO: AARONSON
Post by: jouissance on May 05, 2003, 09:30:32 AM
Aaronson,

I know it has been a few weeks since you asked your question but I thought I would answer it:

I am not French, nor have I ever lived or visited France. Nevertheless, I have a deep respect and admiration for French Cinema and the great theorists and critics, such as the French New Wave as well as Calle du Cinema (I'm sure I spelled this incorrectly), Truffaut, Godard and a recent talent, Besson (I love the fifth element, leon and la femme nikita). The guy rocks, I just wish he would get his butt in gear and put out a few films a year rather that Executive Producing. Anyway, jouissance is a word used extensively in Film Theory and loved the sound or spelling of the word and the film theory meaning. No, I'm not into porn. You're the first person to ask me about the name and so I'm getting it off my chest.

Best Wishes,


Jouis
Title: Re:FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
Post by: cigar joe on May 05, 2003, 03:52:34 PM
Quote
Anyway, jouissance is a word used extensively in Film Theory and loved the sound or spelling of the word and the film theory meaning.

Now you've got my curiosity up what is the theory?
Title: Re:TO: AARONSON
Post by: Halis on May 21, 2003, 04:33:09 PM
Aaronson,

the French New Wave as well as Calle du Cinema (I'm sure I spelled this incorrectly), Jouis

That's CAHIERS DU CINEMA. "cahier" is a a school exercise book, or notebook.
Title: Re:TO: AARONSON
Post by: aaronson on May 22, 2003, 05:42:25 AM
Aaronson,

I know it has been a few weeks since you asked your question but I thought I would answer it:

(

<thanks for your explaination. In french "jouissance" means climax but also simply the using of a property (flat,land...) of a gift (health) .It means also a joy as "enjoy your holidays".It's a great word ,sexy and musical. Congratulation.
Title: Re:FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
Post by: aaronson on May 22, 2003, 05:55:41 AM
About missing scenes, I recently bought the dvd and I did'nt find a scene .
 Could you help me ?
 When El Indio and C° arrived in Agua Caliente they met in the street a dead mexican guy installed on a walking horse .There was a sign on his back.
 Possible it's a scene from FAFOD, or maybe I dreamt it ?
Title: Re:FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
Post by: Cusser on May 22, 2003, 11:02:29 AM
That scene is in a Fistful of Dollars, near the beginning.  Exactly where, I couldn't put my finger on it (my missing finger end).
Title: Re:FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
Post by: KERMIT on May 22, 2003, 08:00:53 PM
About missing scenes, I recently bought the dvd and I did'nt find a scene .
 Could you help me ?
 When El Indio and C° arrived in Agua Caliente they met in the street a dead mexican guy installed on a walking horse .There was a sign on his back.
 Possible it's a scene from FAFOD, or maybe I dreamt it ?
audious imago
Title: Re:FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
Post by: aaronson on May 23, 2003, 06:57:36 AM
That scene is in a Fistful of Dollars, near the beginning.  Exactly where, I couldn't put my finger on it (my missing finger end).
Thanks Cusser , I'm an old man ...
Title: Re:FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
Post by: mortimerforever on June 09, 2004, 01:31:27 PM
the only missing scene i know of is when monco is in bed with mara krup[mary].

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pasta luego amigo.
Title: Re:FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
Post by: Jordan Krug on June 11, 2004, 11:18:42 AM
The sound on the dvd & letterbox vhs is also horribly out of sync. Mgm should be embarassed. Just look at the punches in the beating scene and compare them in both versions. On the pan and scan they are perfectly in sync- on the letterbox they're like a full second off! They were showing FAFDM on television recently, and it was the same version- letterboxed, but out of sync and cut. You'd think they'd have better quality control at MGM, instead of letting the fans figure out they have an inferior version of the film. Back on topic- I have seen the still of clint with the hotel keepers wife- you can tell it's her rather clearly (especially with the dress she's wearing:). The picture is very similar to the one from the sorroco sequence of GBU, so I can see how there would be confusion.
Title: Re:FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
Post by: brewers7 on July 29, 2004, 03:44:20 AM
Is there anywhere on the Internet where we can find a picture of Mary Krup from this deleted scene?...

Thanx...

brewers7
Title: Re:FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
Post by: redyred on July 29, 2004, 04:17:57 AM
That scene is in a Fistful of Dollars, near the beginning.  Exactly where, I couldn't put my finger on it (my missing finger end).

The very first scene. As Joe is entering the village, a man with "Adios Amigo" on his back is leaving. Good use of Morricone's music in this bit.
Title: FAFDM Missing Scenes?
Post by: Blondie on November 11, 2004, 06:07:56 AM
Leone filmed a scene for The Good, The Bad & The Ugly where Clint is in bed with a Mexican woman (Silvana Bacci). This scene was part of the cut Socorro sequence.

Likewise, in For A Few Dollars More a scene was filmed with Clint in bed with the hotel receptionist Mary (Mara Krupp).

These scenes were not included as Leone knew they would diminish Eastwood's character.

These scenes were never part of any official version and it seems unlikely that the original footage will ever be found. All that remains are press stills.

However, there are two scenes that should be included in the fully restored and uncut version of For A Few Dollars More.

The first is the small cut in the beating sequence which has been discussed here.

Secondly there is a very important sequence that nobody has mentioned. This scene was part of Leone's original Italian print. It involves Indio baptising his gun in holy water. As far as I know this scene has never made any western release.
Title: Re:FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
Post by: Nosferatu on November 29, 2004, 11:30:59 AM
I keep forgetting to ask this, and I don't know if it was ever brought up on the old board, so here goes...

I thought I saw something missing in the DVD version in the scene where Indio and his gang are beating on Monco and Mortimer. At first, Indio is the only one laughing at the scene, but soon the other bandits join in. But then Indio stops laughing, his smile fades into a frown...and then the cut comes.

On the VHS version I have, Indio leaps down from the wall, yelling at them to stop it. He also tells Nino to tie them up in a side room. When one of the others asks Indio why he wants them to remain alive, that's where the cut ended, as Indio asked what the El Paso sherrif was doing at that point.

So why didn't the DVD have that little snippet? ???

May be I'm able to explain this: When the Movie Departement of the German private broadcast station ProSieben worked on a reconstruction of FaFDM they asked MGM in the States for material; unfortunately MGM had no low con print available, but only two versions on Digital-Betacam: one was in fullscreen (4:3), which includes the scenes above, the other one was in widescreen (2,25:1), which does'nt include them ...
In contrast to these two versions the Italian VHS, which is based on the low con material of the producer (at Technicolour in Rome), includes the complete beating-scene, but the film is all in all not complete either: the first shot is shorter, the bounty hunter-insert after the opening credits is missing and Indio's laughter after his jailbreak is shorter too ...
May be a new DVD-edition of FaFDM will include all the scenes for which the fans are looking for ...
PS: I think the bed-scene with Mara Krupp was in the rough cut, but deleted because of reasons concerning the protection of minors ...
Title: Re:FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
Post by: Lewis Hawk on November 29, 2004, 12:58:34 PM
the missing scene in Gbu with Blondie in bed with a mexican girl was in the french trailer. That's included in the movie when tuco is purchasing blondie (remember the scenes with the cigarillos). Tuco arrives in a mexican village. Blondie is doing that girl. And tuco makes an hold up on the all inhabitants of the village in the center of the village. They all put theire monney in his hat. But he lets it a few minut to come and ask a barman if he did'nt have seen a (in french) "un grand blondin". The man doesn't know and tuco beat him. But during this scene, the mexican girl of blondie come and take his hat with the whole money... THE END. So tuco find blondie with Larsen being hang.
Title: Re:Mara & Marianne
Post by: al mullock on September 04, 2005, 12:53:24 PM
Neither women were in GBU as far as credits are concerned and neither played a prostitute nor did any of them end up in bed with Clint. Hope that helps.

jouissance...
Quote

 Hi, jouissance (are you french?).
 Did you forget Bill Carson (Jackson)'s girl-friend? She is a prostitute in GBU.At the beginning of a scene, she is pushed down by four drunked singing soldiers. It seems they beated her ,may be raped her.She is angry and insulted them.Sentenza (in English Version Angel Eye ?) waits for her at home and beated her.I remember she was a pretty girl .
Blondie may be was agree with me .  

hi guys im sure that the bill carson girl friend is played by rada rassimov... i saw like you this still and the girl who plays the prostitute in bed with blondie is not in the actors list
Title: Re: FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
Post by: SixShooter on September 29, 2005, 05:51:09 PM
http://www.dvdtalk.com/dvdsavant/s745GBU.html

Scroll to the bottom.
Title: Re: FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
Post by: dave jenkins on October 05, 2006, 07:10:16 AM
In most cuts of the film, even on the UK SE DVD, the scene in which Mortimer and Monco are beaten (end of chapter 26) ends this way:

[Indio stops laughing.]

JUMP CUT
Indio: What’s he doing now, this sheriff in El Paso?

Groggy: Right now? Looking for the cash that was in the bank.

As you know, that inelegant edit is not what SL intended. The German DVD (2005) from Tobis/Paramount has a more complete version of the scene. For those who haven’t seen the longer cut and are curious, here’s the missing dialog:

[Indio stops laughing.]

Indio: Stop it. Nino, see that they’re tied securely. Slim, keep an eye on them.

Groggy: Why let ‘em live?

Indio: [pause] All things at the right time.

Groggy: What do you mean?

Indio: What’s he doing now, this sheriff in El Paso?

Groggy: Right now? Looking for the cash that was in the bank.

Title: Re: FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
Post by: LINCOLNS GRANDFATHER on October 13, 2006, 06:45:12 PM
That was included on the old VHS version in England, but the begining audio was out of sink with the rifle shot in the opening scene and during the shooting of the credits.