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Title: SHAVING SPAGHETTI
Post by: aaronson on May 14, 2003, 02:45:18 AM
Someone said that Harmonica was very well-shaved.
  I'm wondering : if Sergio would eliminate Clint, Lee and Eli  as symbol of  the death of spaghetti-western at the beginning of OUATIW, may be the shaving theme is a another way to obtain that effect .

    Remember, all long the dollar trilogy,  heroes were bearded: suddenly the two main characters are wery well-shaved ,in the same region, in the same period ,
  Cheyennes shaved himself before dying,
  I learnt from you my friends that a missing scene showed Franck "at the barber"  
  Why suddenly it's so important for our gun-fighters ?  

Flash- Back showed Franck with a bear (good old time ?)  ???


Title: Re:SHAVING SPAGHETTI
Post by: cigar joe on May 14, 2003, 04:13:00 PM
It may have been symbolic of that end of the old west.


Title: Re:SHAVING SPAGHETTI
Post by: Il Buono on May 16, 2003, 11:23:26 AM
I think OUTIW is the perfect symbiosis of the traditional American and the Italian western.  It's got that rough spaghetti-touch, but things get more civilized in an American way, like the clothing (Frank, Morton) the upcoming railroad,...  You can really feel that Frank is on the edge.  He's clearly American, dressed better than in his outlaw years, but like Morton said he'll never be a businessman.  That may explain the beard/bald situation.
And for Harmonica, his 'rock-face' works better with no hair on it.


Title: Re:SHAVING SPAGHETTI
Post by: DjArcadian on May 25, 2003, 04:06:50 PM
Don't forget that Lee Van Cleef was always well shaved. Cheyenne shaving before dying I think was supposed to show that he had some class.


Title: Re:SHAVING SPAGHETTI
Post by: aaronson on May 26, 2003, 04:04:23 AM
Don't forget that Lee Van Cleef was always well shaved. Cheyenne shaving before dying I think was supposed to show that he had some class.

Not so well-shaved as Sentenza.
 But I agree with you about Cheyennes . Reputation is very important for him. he always tried to impress people ( Jill overall)


Title: Re:SHAVING SPAGHETTI
Post by: Silenzio on November 24, 2006, 10:37:26 PM
I was watching the movie today and remembered this old thread I stumbled across a while ago. There's something I'd like to point out. I'm sure you've all heard the theory about the coming of the railroad representing the urbanization of the old west and the coming of civilization. Well, what I would like to point out is that, as Cheyenne is about to chave, he asks Jill, "Could you put the water here, so I can watch the train move up... as i shave." So shaving could represent the way the men of the west had to cope with the coming of civilization...




Wow, I should listen to myself. I'm over-analyzing so much I'll have to kick my own ass.


Title: Re:SHAVING SPAGHETTI
Post by: Sanjuro on November 24, 2006, 10:56:43 PM
I was watching the movie today and remembered this old thread I stumbled across a while ago. There's something I'd like to point out. I'm sure you've all heard the theory about the coming of the railroad representing the urbanization of the old west and the coming of civilization. Well, what I would like to point out is that, as Cheyenne is about to chave, he asks Jill, "Could you put the water here, so I can watch the train move up... as i shave." So shaving could represent the way the men of the west had to cope with the coming of civilization...




Wow, I should listen to myself. I'm over-analyzing so much I'll have to kick my own ass.

You don't have to kick your ass, Silenzio. You've made a very good point.

When interviewed by a Japanese film magazine, Sergio said "OUTIW shows there's no balls left at the end of the film." Shaving could be a ritualistic symbol that implies the extinction of men of ancient race who lived in the savage world.     


Title: Re: SHAVING SPAGHETTI
Post by: Tuco the ugly on November 25, 2006, 09:04:41 AM
good point  Silenzio.
but Cheyenne didn't really shave as far as i recall :-\
-maybe because he knew he was dying,and he wanted to die like he lived;unshaved,on the wild west,
like in the good old times...


Title: Re: SHAVING SPAGHETTI
Post by: Poggle on November 25, 2006, 04:04:34 PM
Aren't Native American usually... hairless? :-\


Title: Re: SHAVING SPAGHETTI
Post by: Cusser on November 25, 2006, 04:48:06 PM
I liked the sound that shaving made in the Leone westerns, and others...as unique as the ricochet of the gunshots.


Title: Re: SHAVING SPAGHETTI
Post by: Silenzio on June 17, 2008, 10:18:08 AM
You don't have to kick your ass, Silenzio. You've made a very good point.     

haha, this old post made me crack up.  Sanjuro is awesome.