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Title: The Silent Stranger aka Lo straniero di silenzio (1968)
Post by: The Firecracker on March 08, 2006, 08:25:36 PM
Ive been trying to locate the obscure spaghetti western
Stranger in japan(aka The silent stranger).
I cannot find a copy of the dvd anywhere on the web. perhaps one of you know where I can locate it or if you own a copy already can you direct me to where you bought it? much obliged. :)


Title: Re: The Silent Stranger aka Lo straniero di silenzio (1968)
Post by: Banjo on March 09, 2006, 03:14:23 AM
If you're not worried about buying a bootlleg i quite often see copies on Ebay from UK sellers.


Title: Re: The Silent Stranger aka Lo straniero di silenzio (1968)
Post by: The Firecracker on March 10, 2006, 11:57:55 AM
If you're not worried about buying a bootlleg i quite often see copies on Ebay from UK sellers.


How dare you try to persuade me to buy ILLEGAL bootlegs! Shame on you sir.... ;D

(I'll check it out thanks ;))


Title: Re: The Silent Stranger aka Lo straniero di silenzio (1968)
Post by: Banjo on March 15, 2006, 10:03:36 AM
Hey Firecracker,check this out!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SILENT-STRANGER-STRANGER-JAPAN-DVD-Spaghetti-Western_W0QQitemZ9113427246QQcategoryZ4178QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Title: Re: The Silent Stranger aka Lo straniero di silenzio (1968)
Post by: The Firecracker on March 18, 2006, 06:59:54 PM
Hey Firecracker,check this out!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SILENT-STRANGER-STRANGER-JAPAN-DVD-Spaghetti-Western_W0QQitemZ9113427246QQcategoryZ4178QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Thanks Banjo I appreciate it.
I was checking out myself the other day and it seems to be in abundance with other sellers. surprised jerksi hasnt gotten a hold of it. I'll purchase it soon.


Title: Re: The Silent Stranger aka Lo straniero di silenzio (1968)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on September 05, 2006, 06:19:02 PM
I was fully expecting not to like "The Silent Stranger"...expecting another load of silliness like "Get Mean", but I was, for the most part, pleasantly surprised.

There's actually a pretty good script..a mixture of Spaghetti Western violence...a number of Samurai swordfights which aren't bad at all....nicely done, & a lot of humor.

A little "Yojimbo"...a bit of "Ran"...a "Fistful" of other stuff...it's fun.


Title: Re: The Silent Stranger aka Lo straniero di silenzio (1968)
Post by: titoli on September 05, 2006, 06:25:29 PM
I haven't seen it but it looks interesting judging from the trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQF4ej2IPlQ


Title: Re: The Silent Stranger aka Lo straniero di silenzio (1968)
Post by: The Firecracker on September 05, 2006, 06:29:25 PM
I was fully expecting not to like "The Silent Stranger"...expecting another load of silliness like "Get Mean", but I was, for the most part, pleasantly surprised.





"Get mean" is'nt that bad...


Title: Re: The Silent Stranger aka Lo straniero di silenzio (1968)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on September 05, 2006, 06:32:30 PM

"Get mean" is'nt that bad...

I said "silly"..not bad..but well....yeah..OK..I hear ya, but "Silent Stranger" is much better.


Title: Re: The Silent Stranger aka Lo straniero di silenzio (1968)
Post by: The Firecracker on September 05, 2006, 06:34:23 PM
I said "silly"..not bad..but well....yeah..OK..I hear ya, but "Silent Stranger" is much better.


Fair enough. Judging by the trailer it looks like it has the potential to be the best of the Stranger series.


Title: Re: The Silent Stranger aka Lo straniero di silenzio (1968)
Post by: Sanjuro on September 05, 2006, 08:27:44 PM
Firecracker, I assume you have purchased a copy of "Stranger" by now. If not, I can make you a copy from a VHS tape. Please let me know.


Title: Re: The Silent Stranger aka Lo straniero di silenzio (1968)
Post by: The Firecracker on September 05, 2006, 09:15:50 PM
Firecracker, I assume you have purchased a copy of "Stranger" by now. If not, I can make you a copy from a VHS tape. Please let me know.
Got all of em except for the one in question (Silent Stranger).


Title: Re: The Silent Stranger aka Lo straniero di silenzio (1968)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on September 12, 2006, 05:58:39 PM
The Silent Stranger  (1968)
(Lo Straniero Di Silenzio)

                           (http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/3568/silentstrangerdh4.jpg)
 
Directed by
Luigi Vanzi   

Cast:
Tony Anthony
Lloyd Battista
Kenji Ohara
Kim Omae
Kita Maura
Raf Baldassarre 
Yoshio Nukano                                        
 
 
Written by
Tony Anthony   
Lloyd Battista 
Vincenzo Cerami   
Giancarlo Ferrando

Original Music by
Stelvio Cipriani

                                         
 
You gotta hand it to Tony Anthony. The man definitely thought outside of the box. Not content with recycled "revenge for a slaughtered family" or "gang of vicious thugs control a town" plots.......he co-wrote & starred in a series of films as "The Stranger", which, coincidentally, no pun intended, got stranger & stranger as they went along.

He..along with director Ferdinando Baldi, brought "Zatoichi" to the Spaghetti West w/ Blindman in 1971... fought against Moors and Vikings in Spain in 1976's "Get Mean",...& ushered in a modest 3d revival w/ 1981's "Comin' At Ya".

This, the third collaboration with Director Luigi Vanzi...."The Silent Stranger" predates a bunch of East-meets-West Spaghetti Westerns, including 1971's "Red Sun",  "Fighting Fists of Shanghai Joe" in '72...and "The Stranger and the Gunfighter" in '73.

I was, for the most part, pleasantly surprised...by this Italian/Japanese/American co-production.
There's a pretty good script..a mixture of Spaghetti Western violence...a number of well-staged Samurai swordfights which aren't bad at all....nicely done, & a lot of humor.

Plodding through the snow in the Klondike.........The Stranger has a run-in with bandits who are attempting to rob a young Japanese man of an apparently valuable scroll. The Stranger manages to kill the bandits, but the young Japanese man is shot. He tells The Stranger that the owner of the scroll will pay him $20,000 for its return. Entrusted to return this mysterious scroll to its rightful owner, & looking forward to a big payday.. The Stranger and his trusty horse board a ship for Japan. Once there, he discovers that two powerful warlords have been vying for control of a village and both parties claim that the scroll is rightfully theirs. The Stranger realizes that the only way to save his hide....and get his money,  is to play both sides against each other.

 Yes, this is yet another twist on Yojimbo, ...adding the old fish out of water bit...having a gunfighter battle both with & against samurai in Japan.
 
 A dispute between the American producer and distributor MGM kept it from being seen in USA theaters until 1975. ..seven years after it was produced.

A little "Yojimbo"...a bit of "Ran"...a "Fistful" of other stuff...it's fun.



Title: Re: The Silent Stranger aka Lo straniero di silenzio (1968)
Post by: The Firecracker on September 12, 2006, 07:51:50 PM
would you say it is the best of "the stranger" series?

Anthony considered it to be his best film if not for the cuts it got for it's 1975 release.


Title: Re: The Silent Stranger aka Lo straniero di silenzio (1968)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on September 12, 2006, 08:12:06 PM
would you say it is the best of "the stranger" series?

Anthony considered it to be his best film if not for the cuts it got for it's 1975 release.

Hmmm...I think it could be...it's definitely better than the first....I haven't seen the 2nd one in a long time...which I recall liking a lot better than the first...but I need to revisit it.



Title: Re: The Silent Stranger aka Lo straniero di silenzio (1968)
Post by: Sanjuro on September 12, 2006, 08:46:07 PM
Thank you for the review, angel. I'm surprised T. Anthony was ahead of "Red Sun". It would be funny if Toshiro Mifune was in this. I wonder why they didn't use a big name Japanese star. Not even Tatsuya Nakadai or Tetsuro Tanba.

This fiim never came to Japan. Even Japanese actors in this film couldn't get to see it.  Maybe because of the dispute you described.

It sure sounds like a fun film to see.


Title: Re: The Silent Stranger aka Lo straniero di silenzio (1968)
Post by: The Firecracker on September 12, 2006, 09:16:42 PM
Hmmm...I think it could be...it's definitely better than the first....



I think the trailer alone is better then the first Stranger film ;D


Title: Re: The Silent Stranger aka Lo straniero di silenzio (1968)
Post by: Banjo on September 29, 2006, 02:13:32 AM
I saw this yesterday Firecracker and i'm sure you'll like it although its very,very silly.I'm not sure it works at all well as a sw(though i noticed the FOD similarity too) for me as its very much Pagoda land(and similar to the first Stranger movie theres alot of time dedicated to our hero creeping around the place and not alot happening) here and really nothing much in the way of gunplay.The Japanese characters aren't particularly likeable but Tony Anthony is definately on form and keeps the film going with his humour.As regards Stelvio Cipriani's score its more of the same really that he provided for the first two in the series and maybe he could've added a bit more oriental flavour to it.
    In the context of the Stranger series i'd say that the Silent Stranger(60% rating) is a weaker film to Stranger In Town(65%)  and The Stranger Returns(80%) is by far the best movie.My favourite East meets West sw remains Stranger and The Gunfighter which i also consider LVC's most entertaining 1970's western ;)
   


Title: Re: The Silent Stranger aka Lo straniero di silenzio (1968)
Post by: The Firecracker on September 29, 2006, 09:51:48 AM
I saw this yesterday Firecracker and i'm sure you'll like it although its very,very silly.I'm not sure it works at all well as a sw(though i noticed the FOD similarity too) for me as its very much Pagoda land(and similar to the first Stranger movie theres alot of time dedicated to our hero creeping around the place and not alot happening) here and really nothing much in the way of gunplay.The Japanese characters aren't particularly likeable but Tony Anthony is definately on form and keeps the film going with his humour.As regards Stelvio Cipriani's score its more of the same really that he provided for the first two in the series and maybe he could've added a bit more oriental flavour to it.

   


A shame to hear. The trailer looks excellent.
Although I'm rather skeptical about it being worse then "Stranger in Town" ;).

As BA has already stated the film ran into some censorship problems so I think the deleted footage might hav ehelped out in the long run.

Even Anthony himself has stated that this could have been his best film but it was watered down to nothing after the cuts. :(



Title: Re: The Silent Stranger aka Lo straniero di silenzio (1968)
Post by: Banjo on September 30, 2006, 02:00:15 AM
Although I'm rather skeptical about it being worse then "Stranger in Town" ;).
Well i just checked out Howard Hughes opinion and whatever version he's seen he regards Silent Stranger as the worst in the series.
I'm skeptical that an uncut version(assuming mine is cut) would make much difference because as it is the film is a bit of a mess,i couldn't warm to any of the Japanese characters and alot of the time with these 2 identical groups of warring Japs its confusing trying to identify who's fighting who and who the bad guys really are.The only thing keeping me watching was Tony Anthony and his quips,but the amount of times he gets collared and not killed is ludicrous.
A full version may turn out(i doubt it) to be Antonys best movie but as a western it SUCKS.


Title: Re: The Silent Stranger aka Lo straniero di silenzio (1968)
Post by: titoli on February 05, 2008, 07:20:10 PM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0203953/


This is not a western, but I liked it probably better than any other Anthony movie (I still have to see Get Mean, though). It fares brilliantly until the very last minutes, with much variety and inventiveness in the sequel of episodes. Banjo complained about the many times Anthony just wanders from a building to another, but I think that is where the best moments of the movie happen, expecially in the long sequence toward the end where Anthony disposes of many adversaries in different ways in defferent builings.

The italian title at IMDB is most probably bogus. In english it would be translated as The Stranger of Silence which, as in italian, makes no sense, I presume. A better traduction would be LO straniero silenzioso. Anyway, I doubt this was ever lreleased here and, it it was, with the IMDB title. 

 So I agrree with the former Angel of the board. I give it 8\10.


Title: Re: The Silent Stranger aka Lo straniero di silenzio (1968)
Post by: The Firecracker on May 07, 2008, 10:13:58 PM
It fares brilliantly until the very last minutes

What exactly put you off?
Anthony's all too easy dispatch of the big gang boss?

I found this movie to be wonderful. Saw it twice in one day.
Will be revisiting often.
The best in the Stranger series and Anthony's best film overall.


Title: Re: The Silent Stranger aka Lo straniero di silenzio (1968)
Post by: The Firecracker on June 27, 2008, 10:19:36 PM
I made a video review...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjAZHewr4B8


Title: Re: The Silent Stranger aka Lo straniero di silenzio (1968)
Post by: Banjo on June 28, 2008, 12:59:53 PM
Excellent commentary FC but until i see it again in maybe a better print i'm dubious about the "better than BLINDMAN" claim,though saying that i used to dislike that movie until i saw it uncut. ;D


Title: Re: The Silent Stranger aka Lo straniero di silenzio (1968)
Post by: The Firecracker on June 28, 2008, 04:37:20 PM
Excellent commentary FC

I'm not too happy with it seeing as I can just as easily make the print look better by editing myself (also editing my various coughs and "uhhhh"s). But without an editing system of my own I'm stuck using the "put the camera in front of the screen" technique.
I also have limited time when doing these things because the camera I use is a digital picture camera that just happens to record sound and visual. The camera gives me a little over 6 minutes to shoot whatever it is that I want.
As a result my commentary is rather limited. I couldn't even fit in stuff about the soundtrack.
I could go to my school and use their equipment to edit but for something so minor I would rather not.
Besides, I need to hassle them pretty soon for something that will take up a lot of time.


Title: Re: The Silent Stranger aka Lo straniero di silenzio (1968)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 06, 2008, 04:00:25 PM
Mr. Anthony told me that the eyecatcher dvd is in fact CUT.
The so-called "uncut" dvd runs 86 minutes long.
Mr. Anthony told me it should run 100 minutes.

He also confirmed my suspicion about the narration.
He hated it.
The uncut version is not available as of yet but Mr. Anthony and Allen Klein's son are in the works of fixing that problem soon.


Title: Re: The Silent Stranger aka Lo straniero di silenzio (1968)
Post by: Arizona Colt on August 08, 2008, 06:44:53 PM
It might be interesting to see a better, more coherent version of this movie but here's my comments as well as comments from Banjo from a month ago on another board regarding this movie and also lends weight to the claim that the film itself is heavily truncated...

AC: Just finished watching this. Thought this was one of the worst, most brutally awful westerns I've ever seen. The movie seemed rushed with scenes beginning and ending abruptly at a near constant rate. That may account for all the narration from Anthony. It started off fine but rapidly went downhill from there. The Japanese run around yelling "Kill!" for much of the running time and the "sword fights" do the film no favors and are laughable compared with Samurai films made 10 years prior. I liked Anthony's first two 'Stranger' movies much better. The dispute that resulted in the films belated release may have been because of how terrible this flick really is. The music is pretty bad too save for the main theme, which itself is derivative. Heard lots better from Cipriani. The film bears a copyright notice of 1974 and should have stayed shelved for that matter, IMO.

Banjo: So you don't think an decent uncut widescreen version would alter your opinion?

AC: No. Besides, nothing looked cut off on the sides. The credits fit on screen. This says the uncut version on the back although you couldn't tell from how so many scenes tended to jump around all over the place without rhyme or reason. It ran around 86 minutes. I haven't yet looked at the DVD-R from cable all the way through yet but I don't know if I want to put myself through the torture of sitting through this movie again.


Title: Re: The Silent Stranger aka Lo straniero di silenzio (1968)
Post by: The Firecracker on June 18, 2009, 02:32:27 PM
This says the uncut version on the back

The company lied. Nobody has the uncut version. The original negative is still in ABCO's vaults.

although you couldn't tell from how so many scenes tended to jump around all over the place without rhyme or reason.

That's because the original cut is 100 minutes. More than 10 minutes had been cut out for its release in the 70's.

The opening of the movie...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_GxX-I-CZ4


Title: Re: The Silent Stranger aka Lo straniero di silenzio (1968)
Post by: Arizona Colt on June 18, 2009, 03:41:15 PM
The company lied. Nobody has the uncut version. The original negative is still in ABCO's vaults.

That's because the original cut is 100 minutes. More than 10 minutes had been cut out for its release in the 70's.

The opening of the movie...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_GxX-I-CZ4

This is the same opening as the DVD.

Until a longer cut emerges, or somebody claims to have seen it, then the Eyecatcher dvd, regardless of its legitimacy, is the only "complete and uncut" version around. Either way, it's a lousy movie and I don't see how any additions would improve it especially with the Japanese scenes being an utter embarrassment, IMO. Definitely one of the very few times I felt I totally wasted $22.00. Usually I will find something of substance in the worst barrel scraper, but this movie was a chore to sit through. The music was nice, if derivative, but that's where the praises ends for me on this one.

And I doubt seriously that this film is on the slate for a dvd release in America any time soon. If MGM puts far more well known cult movies on the backburner, I don't see this obscure eyesore getting pushed to the forefront. Possibly the DVD-R route Warners is going right now. BLINDMAN is Anthony's best movie, IMO with RETURN OF THE STRANGER close behind it and I only really enjoyed that one because one of my fave action performers, Dan Vadis, was in it.


Title: Re: The Silent Stranger aka Lo straniero di silenzio (1968)
Post by: The Firecracker on June 18, 2009, 03:46:07 PM
This is the same opening as the DVD.

Yes, of course.