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Title: SW LEAGUE CHRONICLE
Post by: Banjo on March 12, 2006, 03:15:11 AM
1st Morricone Poll:Big Gundown versus Day Of Anger

Time to settle on argument started on the Face to Face thread-Big Gundown all the way!!!
Poll closes in a fortnight.


Title: Re: Big Gundown versus Day of Anger
Post by: cigar joe on March 12, 2006, 10:34:44 AM
I agree TBG, LVC, Tomas Milian, Morricone, Sollima, hands down.

Valleri's film seemed a bit sloppier and uneven, the town sets were empty devoid of extras, wagons and animals, the studio back lot walls can be seen in some shots, a notch below I'd have to rate it a "B+" SW.


Title: Re: Big Gundown versus Day of Anger
Post by: The Firecracker on March 12, 2006, 04:35:52 PM
I have to agree with everybody so far.

TGB is the better film. Day of anger is great up until the burning down of the saloon, after that it all goes down hill and becomes slow(that is until the finale).

Big Gundown has many faults, but keeps things interesting throughout. though I do believe Day of Anger has better action sequences.
the action in Gundown is not done particularly well(with the exception of the opening gundown and the end gunfight).

but hands down 'The Big gundown' beats 'Day of anger' any day.


and in my humble opinion...the two films are one of the most over hyped films in the genre.


Title: Re: Big Gundown versus Day of Anger
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 13, 2006, 01:28:40 PM
I actually quite like Day of Anger but I prefer The Big Gundown so it gets my vote.


Title: Re: Big Gundown versus Day of Anger
Post by: Banjo on March 14, 2006, 05:14:37 AM
I like Day of Anger too but it doesn't suffer from the same undeserved severe criticism that Big Gundown gets!


Title: Re: Big Gundown versus Day of Anger
Post by: Banjo on March 16, 2006, 02:50:47 AM
Sorry i don't allow for indecisiveness in this poll.I love Death Rides A Horse too but isn't this movie just a Leone clone and a  rehash of FAFDM whereas Big Gundown is more original?What about a Big Gundown versus DRAH poll?


Title: Re: Big Gundown versus Day of Anger
Post by: cigar joe on March 16, 2006, 05:48:48 AM
What about a Big Gundown versus DRAH poll?


BRING IT ON !  ;D


Title: Re: Big Gundown versus Day of Anger
Post by: Banjo on March 16, 2006, 08:03:06 AM
OK i'll do this which is  probably a more effective way of establishing what is the real top ten non-Leone sw favourites among members rather than a poll where we're given a list of westerns where Great Silence and Big Gundown get several votes and any other movie is lucky to get one vote.I'll have to work out some sort of system.


Title: Match 2:Big Gundown versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Banjo on March 16, 2006, 08:07:02 AM
This is a new poll in continuance of my quest to establish just what is the real top ten SW amongst the membership.I'm going for Big Gundown here!


Title: Match 3:Death Rides A Horse versus Day Of Anger
Post by: Banjo on March 16, 2006, 08:09:53 AM
This is the third poll in my quest to establish the membership non-Leone sw top ten and i voted for Death Rides A Horse.


Title: Re: Death Rides A Horse versus Day Of Anger
Post by: The Firecracker on March 16, 2006, 11:22:29 AM
This is the third poll in my quest to establish the membership non-Leone sw top ten and i voted for Death Rides A Horse.

"Death rides a horse" for damn sure. 8)


Title: Re: Big Gundown versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: The Firecracker on March 16, 2006, 11:23:25 AM
This is a new poll in continuance of my quest to establish just what is the real top ten SW amongst the membership.I'm going for Big Gundown here!


 :'( sorry Banjo :'(


I go with Death rides a horse. ;)


Title: Re: Big Gundown versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: cigar joe on March 16, 2006, 05:33:43 PM
The Big Gundown, I like Milian's acting a bit more than the somewhat wooden style of Law. But both films are about equal other than that.


Title: Re: Death Rides A Horse versus Day Of Anger
Post by: cigar joe on March 16, 2006, 05:34:57 PM
DRAH, DoA is a bit too uneven, and sloppy.


Title: Re: Big Gundown versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Banjo on March 17, 2006, 03:46:46 AM
Don't like to knock DRAH but John Philip Law was a bit one dimensional as LVCs partner in comparison with Manco in FAFDM.Milians a far more entertaining sidekick.The music and finale in TBG are also superior.Looks like this could be a close one though!


Title: SW LEAGUE CHRONICLE(under construction!!)
Post by: Banjo on March 17, 2006, 04:23:01 AM
In my quest to establish just what is the memberships favourite non-Leone top ten sw's i've decided on a list of 21 films in contention that i feel have a realistic chance of top 10 status.This list is based on what i believe most members will have in their collections and from what i've seen do well in polls elsewhere:-
Big Gundown
Death Rides A Horse
Day Of Anger
Great Silence
Face to Face
My Name Is Nobody
Django
Keoma
Navajo Joe
Bullet For The General
Companeros
The Mercenary
Sabata
Sartana
They Call Me Trinity
Django Kill
Return Of Ringo
Run Man Run
Cemetary Without Crosses
Hellbenders
Price of Power
I'm going to pit each sw against the other 20 over a number of weeks and will be running a league table to show the current standings.A win will earn 2 points for each movie and 1 point for a tie!
You will have noticed that i have already begun polls involving Big Gundown,Day of Anger and Death Rides a Horse.Each poll will run for a fortnight only!


Title: Match 4:Great Silence versus Face to Face
Post by: Banjo on March 17, 2006, 04:26:47 AM
Face to Face!


Title: Match 5:Great Silence versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on March 17, 2006, 04:29:05 AM
My Name Is Nobody!


Title: Match 6:Face to Face versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on March 17, 2006, 04:30:58 AM
My Name Is Nobody!


Title: Re: Great Silence versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: DeZuniga on March 17, 2006, 09:07:14 AM
I think of MY NAME IS NOBODY as the last of the spaghetti westerns.  It served as a wonderful bridge between the gritty, violent movies that the "spaghettis" once were... and the sillier, more cartoonish movies that they became. It's like Trinity accidentally stepped into an actual Leone movie. The resulting clash of styles (Hill's slapstick antics and Fonda's dead-serious cynicism) made for a western experience like none other.


Title: Re: Death Rides A Horse versus Day Of Anger
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 17, 2006, 01:05:13 PM
DRAH for me also.


Title: Re: Big Gundown versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 17, 2006, 01:06:41 PM
Big Gundown. I find it a little more entertaining for some reason.


Title: Re: Favourite Spaghetti Western League Table
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 17, 2006, 01:08:33 PM
This should be interesting, thanks for arranging it banjo.


Title: Re: Great Silence versus Face to Face
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 17, 2006, 01:09:13 PM
Gotta go with Great Silence for me.  ;D


Title: Re: Face to Face versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 17, 2006, 01:09:57 PM
Agree with you on this one banjo, My Name Is Nobody is my choice.


Title: Re: Great Silence versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 17, 2006, 01:10:58 PM
A tough decision for me but I went with The Great Silence


Title: Re: Great Silence versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: cigar joe on March 17, 2006, 04:58:58 PM
TGS


Title: Re: Face to Face versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: cigar joe on March 17, 2006, 05:00:11 PM
I don't care for slapstick in Westerns  :)


Title: Re: Great Silence versus Face to Face
Post by: cigar joe on March 17, 2006, 05:00:47 PM
TGS


Title: Re: Great Silence versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: dave jenkins on March 17, 2006, 05:49:13 PM
An easy decision as I hate TGS.


Title: Re: Great Silence versus Face to Face
Post by: dave jenkins on March 17, 2006, 05:50:11 PM
Just about anything is better than TGS.


Title: Re: Face to Face versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: dave jenkins on March 17, 2006, 05:52:21 PM
I will always take Leone, even in diluted form, over any SW director.


Title: Re: Face to Face versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: boardwalk_angel on March 17, 2006, 06:09:18 PM
Face To Face .........Corbucci's best film.......far & away beats out My Name Is Nobody.
It's just a better movie.


Title: Re: Face to Face versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: cigar joe on March 17, 2006, 10:07:28 PM
you mean Sollima don't you  8)


Title: Match 7:Bullet For The General versus The Mercenary
Post by: Banjo on March 18, 2006, 02:02:56 AM
BFTG was the start of all these revolutionary sw's but i prefer the Nero/Musante partnership over Volonte/Castel.BTFTG may possibly be more authentic but the humour,music,and action are better in The Mercenary.


Title: Match 8:Bullet For The General versus Companeros
Post by: Banjo on March 18, 2006, 02:08:16 AM
This one is pretty close but again the Nero/Milian duo wins over Volonte/Castel even if Companeros is a little weaker than The Mercenary.


Title: Match 9:The Mercenary versus Companeros
Post by: Banjo on March 18, 2006, 02:14:37 AM
Although great,Companeros is a not quite up to scatch imitation of The Mercenary even with Milian being arguably a better foil for Franco Nero.I think Jack Palances Curly is better than the marijuana smoking John.A little too match waffle in Companeros.


Title: Re: Match 4:Great Silence versus Face to Face
Post by: Banjo on March 18, 2006, 02:20:58 AM
Klaus Kinski,the cinematography,Morricones music are just fantastic in TGS but the performances of Milian/Volonte/Berger,the storyline and action in Face To Face win it for me!


Title: Re: Match 5:Great Silence versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on March 18, 2006, 02:24:10 AM
My Name Is Nobody is just such a brilliant homage to both sw and aw.Fonda and Hill work great together and i much prefer the feel good factor of this movie over TGS.


Title: Re: Match 6:Face to Face versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on March 18, 2006, 02:27:06 AM
The music,Fonda & Hill win it for me.Very,very close though!


Title: Re: Favourite Spaghetti Western League Table
Post by: Banjo on March 18, 2006, 02:42:19 AM
Thanks Leone Admirer and i've been encouraged by the response so far.I'm not 100% sure about all of the selections(i'm not a big fan of Django Kill-but this did very well in another poll!) but i'm confident that the same favourite 10 would eventually come out on top whatever selection i put up.I'm intrigued to find out the final order in which these top 10 sw's come out.
Anyway its all just meant to be a bit of fun!!!


Title: Re: Match 9:The Mercenary versus Companeros
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 18, 2006, 03:54:52 AM
Not so sure on this one so I went with Companeros  ;D


Title: Re: Match 8:Bullet For The General versus Companeros
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 18, 2006, 03:55:59 AM
I Agree with you, Companeros again it is.  ;D


Title: Re: Match 7:Bullet For The General versus The Mercenary
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 18, 2006, 03:59:02 AM
I think I'm going to go for Bullet.


Title: Re: Match 7:Bullet For The General versus The Mercenary
Post by: cigar joe on March 18, 2006, 07:26:46 AM
This is a close one but I like TM just a tad better, maybe its Morricone's music, but ABFTG is top shelf excellent.


Title: Re: Match 8:Bullet For The General versus Companeros
Post by: cigar joe on March 18, 2006, 07:32:03 AM
Companeros by a hair


Title: Re: Match 9:The Mercenary versus Companeros
Post by: cigar joe on March 18, 2006, 07:40:39 AM
The Mercenary's got the edge here for me.


Title: Re: Match 9:The Mercenary versus Companeros
Post by: The Firecracker on March 18, 2006, 06:35:58 PM
The mercenary!!!


Title: Re: Match 6:Face to Face versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on March 18, 2006, 06:38:42 PM
The music,Fonda & Hill win it for me.Very,very close though!

I have yet to see Face to Face. A shame really.

Nobody is excellent.


Title: Re: Great Silence versus Face to Face
Post by: The Firecracker on March 18, 2006, 07:21:50 PM
Just about anything is better than TGS.

Dammmmmmmmmmmmmnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!

Thats a bold statement.


Title: Match 10:Django versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Banjo on March 19, 2006, 03:04:51 AM
Django!


Title: Match 11:Django versus Keoma
Post by: Banjo on March 19, 2006, 03:07:34 AM
Very close but my heart tells me to go for Django.


Title: Match 12:Navajo Joe versus Keoma
Post by: Banjo on March 19, 2006, 03:09:43 AM
Sorry Burt but i've got to go with Franco again?


Title: Re: Match 12:Navajo Joe versus Keoma
Post by: cigar joe on March 19, 2006, 07:15:04 AM
me too


Title: Re: Match 11:Django versus Keoma
Post by: cigar joe on March 19, 2006, 07:16:04 AM
Dopey sounding dubbing for Django, I go Keoma.


Title: Re: Match 10:Django versus Navajo Joe
Post by: cigar joe on March 19, 2006, 07:16:38 AM
Django


Title: Re: Match 12:Navajo Joe versus Keoma
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 19, 2006, 07:26:59 AM
Keoma here also.


Title: Re: Match 11:Django versus Keoma
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 19, 2006, 07:27:52 AM
I went for Django  ;D


Title: Re: Match 10:Django versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 19, 2006, 07:28:11 AM
Django!  ;D


Title: Re: Match 10:Django versus Navajo Joe
Post by: The Firecracker on March 19, 2006, 07:11:28 PM
Django!!


Title: Re: Match 11:Django versus Keoma
Post by: The Firecracker on March 19, 2006, 07:12:40 PM
Keoma is beautiful, but Django is where my heart truly lies...I cannot deny it.


Title: Re: Match 12:Navajo Joe versus Keoma
Post by: The Firecracker on March 19, 2006, 07:15:22 PM
Keoma.



Hey Banjo. Can you consider putting in "Cemetary without crosses" as one of the choices? It is a way above average spaghetti western.

If you want proof that people will agree with me, I shall make a poll consisting of whether or not "Cemetary" should be added to youre list.


Title: should this spag be apart of Banjo's poll?
Post by: The Firecracker on March 19, 2006, 07:19:15 PM
I go on  "yes" for this one. But I am biased.

The poll will close the 21st of the month(at midnight whether I am on or not.). No votes cast after midnight on the 21st will be counted as valid.

The more popular vote of course wins.


Title: Re: should this spag be apart of Banjo's poll?
Post by: cigar joe on March 19, 2006, 09:17:17 PM
yep it should be a part of the poll.


Title: Re: should this spag be apart of Banjo's poll?
Post by: Banjo on March 20, 2006, 01:56:11 AM
Bloody troublemakers!!!!
OK seeing that this made the top 20 in a poll elsewhere i'll add it on together with Hellbenders and Price of Power because as you can see i've started this thing off as a series of round robins involving 3 sw's.I refuse to add any more because of practicalability.
The reason i left this off is firstly because its relatively obscure and i doubt whether more than a handful of us have the Japanese DVD.Arguably this may be a better movie than the likes of Django Kill or Trinity but a lot more members are more likely to have these and it can't be much fun for those who don't have Cemetary Without Crosses.Secondly it might very well end up sitting comfortably in a top 20 poll but the stated intent of the sw league is to establish the top 10 and realistically i doubt if CWC stands a chance!


Title: Re: Favourite Spaghetti Western League Table
Post by: Banjo on March 20, 2006, 02:03:13 AM
Due to popular demand(well 2 so far!) i've added on Cemetary Without Crosses as well as Hellbenders and Price Of Power.I'm sorry but i've got to draw the line here because otherwise i'll be doing this thing until Xmas and by then everyone will be sick to the teeth of these polls.


Title: Match 13:Price of Power versus Hellbenders
Post by: Banjo on March 20, 2006, 03:34:41 AM
Hellbenders!


Title: Match 14:Cemetary Without Crosses versus Hellbenders
Post by: Banjo on March 20, 2006, 03:36:29 AM
Hellbenders!


Title: Match 15:Cemetary Without Crosses versus Price of Power
Post by: Banjo on March 20, 2006, 03:39:00 AM
Price of Power!


Title: Re: Match 15:Cemetary Without Crosses versus Price of Power
Post by: cigar joe on March 20, 2006, 06:05:28 AM
CWC, Pice of Power has a tad too much dialog and too many characters, and is too town bound for my tastes, give me them wide open spaces.....though it does have the train sequence where we get to see an Almerian iron trestle, first I've seen in any SW.  :)


Title: Re: Match 14:Cemetary Without Crosses versus Hellbenders
Post by: cigar joe on March 20, 2006, 06:06:53 AM
I'll have to pass, still waiting for an R1 DVD release.


Title: Re: should this spag be apart of Banjo's poll?
Post by: cigar joe on March 20, 2006, 06:09:27 AM
All true,

But it may induce some to try and find a DVDr of it and they can be had.  ;)


Title: Re: Match 15:Cemetary Without Crosses versus Price of Power
Post by: Banjo on March 20, 2006, 06:30:26 AM
I kinda liked all the politics and talky stuff in Price of Power-reminds me very slightly of Face To Face-and i enjoyed the whole conspiracy thing which obviously parellels the Kennedy assasination.I thought the action and gun duels were better in POP.
However i really love the CWC Rope & The Colt theme!


Title: Re: should this spag be apart of Banjo's poll?
Post by: Banjo on March 20, 2006, 06:40:59 AM
Well theres a few more besides that i would have liked to have included-Light The Fuse Sartanas Coming,Johnny Yuma,Blindman,Bandidos,Forgotten Pistoleros,Five Man Army,Django The Bastard etc but this would make the whole thing impossible.I think we've all got a pretty good idea who the frontrunners will turn out to be so hopefully no-one will be offended if i've missed out any of their favourites which are probably very unlikely to hamper the top 10 anyway.This thing shouldn't be taken too seriously!!!


Title: Re: Match 14:Cemetary Without Crosses versus Hellbenders
Post by: Tim on March 20, 2006, 11:07:30 AM
  Me too, I'll have to side with cigar joe.  Waiting on that Hellbenders R1 dvd release, seems like we're never gonna get that one.


Title: Re: Match 12:Navajo Joe versus Keoma
Post by: Tim on March 20, 2006, 11:10:04 AM
  Navajo Joe, but I haven't seen Keoma although I've heard really good things about it.

  No matter what Reynolds says, its one of his movies that I really enjoy, it was great to see Aldo Sambrell in a lead role, love all the spaghetti regulars in Duncan's gang, and that Morricone score is one of the better ones for me.

  Maybe I'll change my answer after I see Keoma.


Title: Re: Match 11:Django versus Keoma
Post by: Tim on March 20, 2006, 11:14:18 AM
  Django, just because it is so different compared to other westerns, spaghetti or american, although that dubbing is pretty bad at times.

  And I'm all for movies that don't end with the non-Hollywood happy ending. 


Title: Re: Match 6:Face to Face versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Tim on March 20, 2006, 11:16:36 AM
  Haven't seen Face to Face, but My Name is Nobody is very good.  I could do without the some of the slapstick, but everything else in the movie outshines it.  And Fonda and Hill work well together, and I do laugh everytime at the knocks at Peckinpah.


Title: Re: Match 14:Cemetary Without Crosses versus Hellbenders
Post by: The Firecracker on March 20, 2006, 11:59:27 AM
No way!!! Cemetary without crosses is so much better than Hellbenders.

Though Hellbenders is  excellent.


Title: Re: should this spag be apart of Banjo's poll?
Post by: The Firecracker on March 20, 2006, 12:07:06 PM
Well theres a few more besides that i would have liked to have included-Light The Fuse Sartanas Coming,Johnny Yuma,Blindman,Bandidos,Forgotten Pistoleros,Five Man Army,Django The Bastard etc but this would make the whole thing impossible.

Perhaps you should consider a spaghetti league for the "not quite best but overall excellent spaghetti westerns" poll, what do ya think banjo?

also along with those bad boys on the top you should add

The Grand Duel
Sabata
Viva Django
A pistol for Ringo
Mannaja

etc.






Title: Re: Match 15:Cemetary Without Crosses versus Price of Power
Post by: The Firecracker on March 20, 2006, 12:10:07 PM
Cimitero Senza Croci.


Title: Re: should this spag be apart of Banjo's poll?
Post by: The Firecracker on March 20, 2006, 12:13:29 PM
Arguably this may be a better movie than the likes of Django Kill or Trinity
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Please... "Django, kill" has no buissness being in the top ten polls to begin with.



Quote from: banjo link=topic=3030.msg29291#msg29291date=1142844971
realistically i doubt if CWC stands a chance!

We shall see about that mister! ;D


Title: Re: Match 13:Price of Power versus Hellbenders
Post by: cigar joe on March 20, 2006, 06:06:58 PM
I'll have to refrain until I see Hellbenders.


Title: Re: should this spag be apart of Banjo's poll?
Post by: Banjo on March 21, 2006, 06:00:26 AM
Perhaps you should consider a spaghetti league for the "not quite best but overall excellent spaghetti westerns" poll, what do ya think banjo?

also along with those bad boys on the top you should add

The Grand Duel
Sabata
Viva Django
A pistol for Ringo
Mannaja

etc.





Yeau why not and we could include the sw's that finish 11-21 in the one we're running now.


Title: Match 16:Sabata versus Sartana
Post by: Banjo on March 21, 2006, 06:05:34 AM
Very,very difficult to choose between but i think that Sabata is just a bit more classier!


Title: Match 17:Sabata versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: Banjo on March 21, 2006, 06:09:28 AM
I really hate having to choose between 2 of my big favourites,sorry Terence & Bud,but i say Sabata!


Title: Match 18:Sartana versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: Banjo on March 21, 2006, 06:13:02 AM
On their own merits both sw's are great,Sartana deserves to do well in this league,but today i'm plumping for the Trinity boys!


Title: Re: Match 18:Sartana versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: The Firecracker on March 21, 2006, 09:50:00 AM
On their own merits both sw's are great,Sartana deserves to do well in this league,but today i'm plumping for the Trinity boys!

Sartana is a fine entry to the genre but the convolted plot twists turn me off on giving it a vote...i am going with Hill and Spencer.


Title: Re: Match 17:Sabata versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: The Firecracker on March 21, 2006, 09:52:24 AM
I really hate having to choose between 2 of my big favourites,sorry Terence & Bud,but i say Sabata!

Sabata is good, but I enjoyed The trinity film more.


Title: Re: Match 16:Sabata versus Sartana
Post by: The Firecracker on March 21, 2006, 09:54:58 AM
Very,very difficult to choose between but i think that Sabata is just a bit more classier!

That is a very difficult choice. But agree with Banjo. Sabata has a bit more class(it also helps that I understand what is going on in Sabata 100% of the time.). And the score for Sabata is miles away from sartana's score in the first film.


It is a bit unfair though because Sabata is easily bought in stores while sartana is a rather obscure film. It wouldnt be fair for somebody to come in here and vote for sabata just because that is the only one of the two they have seen.


Title: Re: should this spag be apart of Banjo's poll?
Post by: The Firecracker on March 21, 2006, 09:56:37 AM
Yeau why not and we could include the sw's that finish 11-21 in the one we're running now.

exactly.

But I suggest we finish the ones we have in running at present first. As not to cause confusion.


Title: Re: Match 16:Sabata versus Sartana
Post by: Tim on March 21, 2006, 03:01:51 PM
  Sabata, but its close.  A lot of people seem to dislike all the antics, but I like Sabata's motley crew, even Alley Cat, I think that's his name, the acrobat.  And William Berger is great as Banjo.

  One of my favorite spaghetti scores too, especially that main theme.


Title: Re: Match 17:Sabata versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: Tim on March 21, 2006, 03:03:10 PM
  Maybe it was because I watched a poor quality tape of They Call Me Trinity, but I didn't really care for this one.  It is enjoyalbe, Hill and Spencer are pretty good, but something just didn't click.

  So I'll go with Sabata again.


Title: Re: Match 17:Sabata versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: cigar joe on March 21, 2006, 05:41:01 PM
neither are my favs, but comedy westerns I like least.


Title: Re: Match 18:Sartana versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: cigar joe on March 21, 2006, 05:44:05 PM
I'm staying neutral.


Title: Re: Match 16:Sabata versus Sartana
Post by: The Firecracker on March 21, 2006, 06:18:03 PM
  Sabata, but its close.  A lot of people seem to dislike all the antics, but I like Sabata's motley crew, even Alley Cat, I think that's his name, the acrobat.  And William Berger is great as Banjo.

  One of my favorite spaghetti scores too, especially that main theme.


Alot of folks have a problem with Alleycat. true his character is pretty pointless but I like this character alot(didnt like him in Return of Sabata playing the acrobat pick pocket). I have my problems with the carrincha character. In fact I have a problem with that actor in general throughout the trilogy. Something about him I just dont care for...his constant yammering has something to do with it I am sure.


Title: Re: Match 16:Sabata versus Sartana
Post by: Arizona Colt on March 22, 2006, 12:21:32 AM
The first SABATA has a slight edge over the first SARTANA film although the SABATA sequels lost a bit of the first films quality and fun factor while the SARTANA sequels, the Garko ones at least, got better.


Title: Re: Match 16:Sabata versus Sartana
Post by: The Firecracker on March 22, 2006, 12:47:06 AM
The first SABATA has a slight edge over the first SARTANA film although the SABATA sequels lost a bit of the first films quality and fun factor while the SARTANA sequels, the Garko ones at least, got better.

totally agree. Though I find the George Hilton Sartana far better than "Return of Sabata."


Title: Re: should this spag be apart of Banjo's poll?
Post by: Banjo on March 22, 2006, 02:00:16 AM
Yes and if i end up organising it i'm gonna need a rest for a while after this one first which i think at the current rate will take at least 3 months to finish!


Title: Match 19:Run Man Run versus Return of Ringo
Post by: Banjo on March 22, 2006, 02:08:16 AM
I have real affection for ROR but i've got to go for Run Man Run because as Cigar Joe says this is Solimas GBU!


Title: Match 20:Run Man Run versus Django Kill
Post by: Banjo on March 22, 2006, 02:11:22 AM
No contest really for me-Run Man Run!


Title: Match 21:Return of Ringo versus Django Kill
Post by: Banjo on March 22, 2006, 02:17:10 AM
I'm really not a fan of Django Kill-all that gore just for effect,the dreadful wooden acting(even for a sw-Zorro's black clad followers are embarrasing) and that excruiatingly grating soundtrack!!
Return of Ringo all the way!!


Title: Re: Match 16:Sabata versus Sartana
Post by: Banjo on March 22, 2006, 02:25:09 AM
It is a bit unfair though because Sabata is easily bought in stores while sartana is a rather obscure film. It wouldnt be fair for somebody to come in here and vote for sabata just because that is the only one of the two they have seen.
That was one of the reasons i originally left of Cemetary With Crosses.Yeau Sartana is relatively obscure but i thought the characters cult status justisfied the movies inclusion and i'm aware from discussions some of us have this movie.
When i start compiling the league table i'm going to print a tally of the accumulated votes for each sw and if there is a points tie between sw's the ones with the most votes so far will come higher.


Title: Re: Match 16:Sabata versus Sartana
Post by: cigar joe on March 22, 2006, 06:01:39 AM
The only Sartana I've seen is "...your angle of death" which I didn't like at all so I can't vote on this one.

Anybody want it, its for sale, email me,  8)


Title: Re: Match 21:Return of Ringo versus Django Kill
Post by: cigar joe on March 22, 2006, 06:03:09 AM
again neutral


Title: Re: Match 20:Run Man Run versus Django Kill
Post by: cigar joe on March 22, 2006, 06:04:31 AM
I'd only see Django Kill if it was for rent somewhere.


Title: Re: Match 20:Run Man Run versus Django Kill
Post by: The Firecracker on March 22, 2006, 12:13:45 PM
Run man Run.

I really cannot see how Django kill can even be apart of the "spaghetti league."

It baffles me as to why people like it so much. I think I might review it on my crap list as "over rated trash you should never waste cash on"


Title: Re: Match 19:Run Man Run versus Return of Ringo
Post by: The Firecracker on March 22, 2006, 12:19:27 PM
I have real affection for ROR but i've got to go for Run Man Run because as Cigar Joe says this is Solimas GBU!

GBU and Run man Run dont even belong in the same sentence together. :P ;D


Return of ringo.


Title: Re: should this spag be apart of Banjo's poll?
Post by: The Firecracker on March 22, 2006, 12:20:17 PM
Yes and if i end up organising it i'm gonna need a rest for a while after this one first which i think at the current rate will take at least 3 months to finish!


You'll be fried by the end. perhaps we should get somebody else to do it. I'll consider it myself.


Title: Re: Match 16:Sabata versus Sartana
Post by: The Firecracker on March 22, 2006, 12:31:02 PM
That was one of the reasons i originally left of Cemetary With Crosses.Yeau Sartana is relatively obscure but i thought the characters cult status justisfied the movies inclusion and i'm aware from discussions some of us have this movie.


If you think about it though... all of the films on the league are pretty obscure to begin with. these films have all been sadly forgotten. some are more obscure than others yes..but all of them are pretty hard to find.


Title: Re: Match 19:Run Man Run versus Return of Ringo
Post by: cigar joe on March 22, 2006, 04:02:24 PM
It is though,  :D,  as far a polish and humor its the closest Sollima would get to GBU  8)


Title: Re: Match 20:Run Man Run versus Django Kill
Post by: cigar joe on March 22, 2006, 04:17:56 PM
Quote
I really cannot see how Django kill can even be apart of the "spaghetti league."

Its funny but you come to realize that it really is different strokes for different folks.

Some people really get off on the blood & guts aspect, the ear cutting in Django, the skinning alive in Four of the Apocalypse, Django Kill.

Others like the gadget guns in Sabata and Sartana.

Some folks (me) like the realistic violence compared to what Hollywood was force feeding us, when the bullets hit people go flying, the picaresque characters, the non moralistic stories, etc., etc.

Some folks just like gunbattles, some explosions.

Some people like the wierd stuff again Django Kill, Kill & Pray.


Title: Re: Match 20:Run Man Run versus Django Kill
Post by: The Firecracker on March 22, 2006, 05:26:26 PM
Its funny but you come to realize that it really is different strokes for different folks.

Some people really get off on the blood & guts aspect, the ear cutting in Django, the skinning alive in Four of the Apocalypse, Django Kill.

Others like the gadget guns in Sabata and Sartana.

Some folks (me) like the realistic violence compared to what Hollywood was force feeding us, when the bullets hit people go flying, the picaresque characters, the non moralistic stories, etc., etc.

Some folks just like gunbattles, some explosions.

Some people like the wierd stuff again Django Kill, Kill & Pray.

It wasnt the weird stuff that killed "django kill" for me. on the contrary i liked all the weird stuff. it is the only thing that kept me watching. everything else was just badly executed. The film is slow and rambling, and doesnt really have much of an end. now while this might have been the intention it didnt settle with me very well.


by any chance..did any of you get that ridiculously laughable ending with the kids making ugly faces at each other? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

I am sure there was some meaning behind that. anybody got an explaination?


Title: Re: Match 19:Run Man Run versus Return of Ringo
Post by: The Firecracker on March 22, 2006, 05:33:06 PM
It is though,  :D,  as far a polish and humor its the closest Sollima would get to GBU  8)

well if you put it that way, I guess I can agree with you. However I think that RMR is sollima's weakest spaghetti western (though I have not seen "Face to Face" but hear it is his best).


Title: Match 22:Big Gundown versus Face To Face
Post by: Banjo on March 23, 2006, 01:55:20 AM
I'm tempted to say Face To Face because of Milians (best?) performance and equally strong showings from Volonte and Berger but something still tells me to go for TBG and i watch this sw more often!


Title: Match 23:Big Gundown versus Bullet For The General
Post by: Banjo on March 23, 2006, 01:59:52 AM
Like Face To Face,BFTG is a very intelligent movie with a lot of valid points made but for overall enjoyment i'm still going for TBG.


Title: Match 24:Face To Face versus Bullet For The General
Post by: Banjo on March 23, 2006, 02:04:07 AM
Both thought provoking but i say Face To Face-i just love all that tension between Volonte and Milian-the scores more memorable in FTF too!


Title: Re: Match 19:Run Man Run versus Return of Ringo
Post by: Banjo on March 23, 2006, 02:13:10 AM
GBU and Run man Run dont even belong in the same sentence together.
Even before Cigar Joe mentioned it in his review, some similarities did occur to me, the main one being the fact that there are three parties chasing after the one hidden treasure during a civil war and somehow Run Man Run bears the same feel of an epic which GBU obviously is.


Title: Re: Match 20:Run Man Run versus Django Kill
Post by: Banjo on March 23, 2006, 02:18:58 AM
I really cannot see how Django kill can even be apart of the "spaghetti league."
I felt obliged to include it as it finished 9th in the SWWB poll so some people must really rate this-i know Marco Leones(where's he gone!) is a big fan!


Title: Re: Match 19:Run Man Run versus Return of Ringo
Post by: cigar joe on March 23, 2006, 06:11:12 AM
Plus it also has the two women fighting over Cuchillo (referencing Marlene Dietrich in  Destry Rides Again)which is a pleasant addition to the SW genre and a definite hoot.


Title: Re: Match 24:Face To Face versus Bullet For The General
Post by: cigar joe on March 23, 2006, 06:12:28 AM
BFTG is way better, less talky, more focused.


Title: Re: Match 23:Big Gundown versus Bullet For The General
Post by: cigar joe on March 23, 2006, 06:13:49 AM
only LVC & Milian push this infintessimally over ABFTG.


Title: Re: Match 23:Big Gundown versus Bullet For The General
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 23, 2006, 06:14:03 AM
The Big Gundown here also.


Title: Re: Match 22:Big Gundown versus Face To Face
Post by: cigar joe on March 23, 2006, 06:14:23 AM
TBG


Title: Re: Match 24:Face To Face versus Bullet For The General
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 23, 2006, 06:15:10 AM
BFTG here too


Title: Re: Match 22:Big Gundown versus Face To Face
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 23, 2006, 06:15:46 AM
TBG


Title: Re: Match 19:Run Man Run versus Return of Ringo
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 23, 2006, 06:16:37 AM
Run Man Run here also (I love the score)


Title: Re: Match 20:Run Man Run versus Django Kill
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 23, 2006, 06:17:34 AM
I'll go RMR but I didn't mind Django kill too much.


Title: Re: Match 16:Sabata versus Sartana
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 23, 2006, 06:20:41 AM
I've only seen Sabata and didn't like it. I know Sartana is from the same director and I am tempted to pick up the Wild East release. Does it rely on the same mix of gadgets and humor?


Title: Re: Match 16:Sabata versus Sartana
Post by: cigar joe on March 23, 2006, 06:25:03 AM
Quote
Does it rely on the same mix of gadgets and humor? 
 


Yea,..... and add Dracula Capes. lol.


Title: Re: Match 16:Sabata versus Sartana
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 23, 2006, 06:49:46 AM
hmm me thinks I'll stay away from that film lol.


Title: Re: Match 16:Sabata versus Sartana
Post by: The Firecracker on March 23, 2006, 10:12:48 AM
hmm me thinks I'll stay away from that film lol.

me thinks you should. I dont think you will appreciate the over complex plot and confusing storyline that accompanies the gadgets.
however the gadgets arent as abundant in the first Sartana as they are in Sabata.


Title: Re: Match 22:Big Gundown versus Face To Face
Post by: The Firecracker on March 23, 2006, 10:33:49 AM
Wish I could vote but I have yet to see "Face to Face". :(


Title: Re: Match 23:Big Gundown versus Bullet For The General
Post by: The Firecracker on March 23, 2006, 10:36:16 AM
BFTG is a very intelligent movie with a lot of valid points made but for overall enjoyment i'm still going for TBG.

I agree with this.


Title: Re: Match 16:Sabata versus Sartana
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 23, 2006, 11:24:08 AM
I like complex plots...  :)


Title: Re: Match 16:Sabata versus Sartana
Post by: The Firecracker on March 23, 2006, 09:34:27 PM
I like complex plots...  :)


let me rephrase...


Sartana has a plot in which you cannot follow at all until six or seven viewings.

It is not complex in an intelligent way, it is complex in a "I dont know how to make a movie with a story so I will just add a bunch of cool characters and action scenes to cover the fact that I am a hack" type of way.

Not that the director is a hack...but you get the idea.




Title: Match 25:Day Of Anger versus Great Silence
Post by: Banjo on March 24, 2006, 04:02:55 AM
Great Silence.
Had Morricone done the soundtrack and Valerii played Corbucci at his own game and allowed Talby(LVC) to win in the end i may have been tempted to say DOA!


Title: Match 26:Day Of Anger versus Companeros
Post by: Banjo on March 24, 2006, 04:05:05 AM
Easily Companeros!


Title: Match27:Companeros versus Great Silence
Post by: Banjo on March 24, 2006, 04:10:44 AM
Companeros gets watched about half a dozen times a year,Silence once or twice.Need i say more?


Title: Re: Match 16:Sabata versus Sartana
Post by: Banjo on March 24, 2006, 04:32:21 AM
If you think about it though... all of the films on the league are pretty obscure to begin with. these films have all been sadly forgotten. some are more obscure than others yes..but all of them are pretty hard to find.
Well anyone regularly looking in on this site,Shobary and others will quickly get an idea of the more well known titles.Out of the original league of 18 Death Rides a Horse,Great Silence,Nobody,Django,Keoma,Bullet For The General,Companeros,Sabata,Trinity,Django Kill and Run Man Run are all on Amazon.I'm sure some used copies of Day Of Anger are also kicking about on US Amazon but apart from the specialist SW internet sellers this and all the other titles(usually bootlegs, i know) are easily obtainable on Ebay.
     As regards the complex Sartana plots i'm ok with the original but not so much with Angel Of Death!Out of the Garko series the 2nd is my least favourite.


Title: Re: Match 16:Sabata versus Sartana
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 24, 2006, 04:43:33 AM
Thanks  :)


Title: Re: Match27:Companeros versus Great Silence
Post by: cigar joe on March 24, 2006, 06:05:34 AM
I concur, Silence should be savored, and taken in small doses, Companeros is a light romp.


Title: Re: Match 26:Day Of Anger versus Companeros
Post by: cigar joe on March 24, 2006, 06:06:27 AM
Easily Companeros!

I agree


Title: Re: Match 25:Day Of Anger versus Great Silence
Post by: cigar joe on March 24, 2006, 06:07:08 AM
TGS


Title: Re: Match 25:Day Of Anger versus Great Silence
Post by: The Firecracker on March 24, 2006, 10:24:23 AM
The Great Silence


Title: Re: Match 26:Day Of Anger versus Companeros
Post by: The Firecracker on March 24, 2006, 10:25:22 AM
vamos a matar Day of Anger!


I am siding with Companeros.


Title: Re: Match27:Companeros versus Great Silence
Post by: The Firecracker on March 24, 2006, 10:26:39 AM
I concur, Silence should be savored, and taken in small doses, Companeros is a light romp.

I agree with this statement.
But I find Silence a better film. so silence, it must be.


Title: Re: Match 16:Sabata versus Sartana
Post by: The Firecracker on March 24, 2006, 10:30:39 AM

     As regards the complex Sartana plots i'm ok with the original but not so much with Angel Of Death!Out of the Garko series the 2nd is my least favourite.

I havent seen Angel of Death, but the rest of the series (despite the first one) is pretty easy to follow.
The George Hilton one is a complete mess of a plot but you forgive the film for it because you realize it is a lesser film then the other entries.


Title: Re: Match27:Companeros versus Great Silence
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 24, 2006, 05:14:18 PM
Silence for me every time.


Title: Re: Match 26:Day Of Anger versus Companeros
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 24, 2006, 05:14:38 PM
Companeros


Title: Re: Match 25:Day Of Anger versus Great Silence
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 24, 2006, 05:14:58 PM
Great Silence again


Title: Re: Match27:Companeros versus Great Silence
Post by: The Firecracker on March 24, 2006, 05:58:16 PM
3

and

3

cool. this should be an interesting competition. Hey Banjo how do you deal with ties?


Title: Re: Match27:Companeros versus Great Silence
Post by: Arizona Colt on March 25, 2006, 12:55:04 AM
THE GREAT SILENCE-probably my favorite spaghetti western and arguably the most sadistic. I would go so far as to call it a horror western. The tone of the film is sometimes reminiscent of such horror classics as LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT, CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST and MEN BEHIND THE SUN. While those films depictions of graphic violence far exceed those of SILENCE they all share a degree of hopelessness and despair in a world where  evil sometimes conquers over good. I have yet to see another film with an ending that is so jaw droppingly defiant of cinematic conventions as pertains to the western genre. Is anyone familiar with a japanese tv show entitled THE MUTE SAMURAI? obviously Tomisaburo Wakayama had seen SILENCE as this show is almost a note for note recreation. This show is incredibly downbeat as the hero-a bounty hunter searching for his parents murderer and the rapist of his girlfriend by a spanish soldier in feudal japan who has his vocal cords severed so as not to reveal the killer. The Mute Samurai takes an unbelievable amount of punishment in some episodes and everyone he comes into contact with suffers a horrible death. Anyways, Corbucci really nailed it with this one-great story, unusual setting, A stunning performance from Kinski who BTW had an affair with Vonetta Mcgee while filming, a great haunting score from Morricone and the most despicable ending imaginable make for this most unique spaghetti western.


Title: Re: Match 25:Day Of Anger versus Great Silence
Post by: Arizona Colt on March 25, 2006, 12:57:11 AM
Taking nothing away from DAY OF ANGER, a classic in its own right, but THE GREAT SILENCE is unique in so many ways that it stands out over everything else.


Title: Re: Match 23:Big Gundown versus Bullet For The General
Post by: Arizona Colt on March 25, 2006, 01:05:00 AM
As much as I enjoyed THE BIG GUNDOWN I enjoyed BFTG more for several reasons-the political connotations didn't get in the way of its entertainment value, a great cast in Lou Castel, Gian Maria Volonte, Martine Beswicke and one of my favorite actors Klaus Kinski delivering another suitably maniacal role and a superb score by Luis Bacalov.


Title: Re: Match 26:Day Of Anger versus Companeros
Post by: Arizona Colt on March 25, 2006, 01:11:12 AM
I accidentally voted for COMPANEROS by mistake. A great comedic western in its own right with lots of action and quirky characters add up to another Corbucci classic but I'm going with DAY OF ANGER a much more dramatic picture that has a bit more to say not to mention two great performances from Guiliano Gemma and Lee Van Cleef.


Title: Re: Match 20:Run Man Run versus Django Kill
Post by: Arizona Colt on March 25, 2006, 01:20:20 AM
RUN MAN RUN is hands down better than DK in terms of entertainment value. A much more fun film all around. I wish Donald O'brien(DR. BUTCHER himself!)had gotten more roles like this as he is very good here. Another great Morricone soundtrack rounds out the package.  DK is a more cerebral affair that does contain a lot of hidden meaning within the film.


Title: Match 28:Death Rides A Horse versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on March 25, 2006, 07:40:48 AM
Death Rides A Horse!


Title: Match 29:Death Rides A Horse versus The Mercenary
Post by: Banjo on March 25, 2006, 07:43:29 AM
Easily the Mercenary!


Title: Match 30:The Mercenary versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on March 25, 2006, 07:45:41 AM
The Mercenary.


Title: Re: Match 30:The Mercenary versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on March 25, 2006, 11:37:46 AM
The Mercenary.

"The Mercenary" is excellent. but I found "My name is Nobody" a bit more enjoyable.


Title: Re: Match 29:Death Rides A Horse versus The Mercenary
Post by: The Firecracker on March 25, 2006, 11:38:10 AM
Easily the Mercenary!

Indeed.


Title: Re: Match 28:Death Rides A Horse versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on March 25, 2006, 11:38:36 AM
Nobody.


Title: Re: Match 28:Death Rides A Horse versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: cigar joe on March 25, 2006, 02:56:22 PM
Horse


Title: Re: Match 29:Death Rides A Horse versus The Mercenary
Post by: cigar joe on March 25, 2006, 02:56:59 PM
Yea Mercenary


Title: Re: Match 28:Death Rides A Horse versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on March 25, 2006, 02:59:07 PM
Horse

"Nobodies horse".

Ha! Bad pun. ;D


Title: Re: Match 30:The Mercenary versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: cigar joe on March 25, 2006, 03:00:16 PM
The Mercenary


Title: All these polls: A new idea
Post by: Tim on March 26, 2006, 12:14:14 AM
  Watching all this March Madness and NIT action, it got me thinking about all the polls Banjo has started recently, which have been great to see what people's opinions are on different spaghettis.

  I don't know exactly how we'd do it, but would it work to do a bracket like there is for the NCAA March Madness tourney?  Would it even be possible to seed 65 spaghetti westerns?  Like I said, I don't know how we'd all agree on seeds or if its even possible, but would anyone be interested?

  If so, let me know and maybe I can figure something out.


Title: Re: All these polls: A new idea
Post by: cigar joe on March 26, 2006, 04:55:14 AM
It do seem complicated, I've only seen a limited amount maybe 30 altogether.

What kind of brakets?


Title: Re: All these polls: A new idea
Post by: The Firecracker on March 26, 2006, 11:35:10 AM
It do seem complicated, I've only seen a limited amount maybe 30 altogether.

What kind of brakets?

Sure Tim. About two weeks ago I was thinking we should do polls for best actor, director, villian etc. and then have a an "oscar night" and give out the winners...but this sounds better. how is it that this works Tim? I am not familiar with this march madness stuff.


Title: Re: All these polls: A new idea
Post by: Tim on March 26, 2006, 12:47:02 PM
  Well, here's how the NCAA committee does it.  They choose 64 teams and seed them in four different brackets with 16 teams each.  Each bracket of 16 is seeded 1-16 and they play each other until there is one team left in each bracket.  Then all four winners play, the Final Four, and then the national title game.

 Here's how it goes.
  1 vs. 16
  2 vs. 15
  3 vs. 14 and so on, you get where I'm going with this. If you're curious to see a real bracket, go to ESPN or SI and they'll be all over.

  Now, I was thinking we don't need 64 movies although I think we'd probably be able to come up with that many, maybe not a consensus though. Then we'd seed the movies, ie which ones is the best and then have people vote on which one is better.

  Wow, I rambled there so hope it isn't too confusing.


Title: Re: All these polls: A new idea
Post by: The Firecracker on March 26, 2006, 01:32:21 PM


  Wow, I rambled there so hope it isn't too confusing.

 ;D a bit of it is...but I'll figure it out.
personally I think we should complete Banjo's  vote poll for the "spaghetti league" before we go and venture out into something as complicated as this.


Title: Re: All these polls: A new idea
Post by: cigar joe on March 26, 2006, 01:46:12 PM
I agree finish the fisrt one, first.

Brackets, as in Zapata's, Best Low Budget, Best Big Budget, Best Comedy Western???


Title: Re: Match 29:Death Rides A Horse versus The Mercenary
Post by: dave jenkins on March 26, 2006, 09:50:07 PM
Gotta disagree with y'all. DRAH has LVC and Pistoli and Brega AND is essentially FAFDM by other means, and I will take adulterated Leone over any SW director any day of the week. (I also like those references to Pursued).

EDIT: Hey, I voted for DRAH and it didn't show! I think this vote is rigged! ;D


Title: Re: Match 29:Death Rides A Horse versus The Mercenary
Post by: The Peacemaker on March 26, 2006, 09:54:10 PM
Me too! I'm not a big fan of the whole 'Zapata' genre. Spaghettis are my cup of tea! Death Rides a Horse is a much better film. C'mon, it's got VAN CLEEF, the John Wayne of the Spaghetti Westerns! Plus DRAH has great gun battles, great cinematography ( even though you can barely tell on my crappy pan and scan DVD ), good actors, and the classic heavily-sauced spaghetti!

EDIT: oh yeh. I was wondering why your vote wasn't there when I casted mine!


Title: Re: Match 28:Death Rides A Horse versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: dave jenkins on March 26, 2006, 09:55:30 PM
Nobody: better music.


Title: Re: Match 20:Run Man Run versus Django Kill
Post by: dave jenkins on March 26, 2006, 10:00:58 PM
RMR: Chelo Alonzo AND Linda Veras. Any questions?


Title: Re: Match 29:Death Rides A Horse versus The Mercenary
Post by: The Firecracker on March 26, 2006, 10:01:42 PM
C'mon, it's got VAN CLEEF, the John Wayne of the Spaghetti Westerns! Plus DRAH has great gun battles, great cinematography ( even though you can barely tell on my crappy pan and scan DVD ), good actors, and the classic heavily-sauced spaghetti!



I have never heard Lee Van Cleef described as such...but I most definatly agree.
As much as I like the "lone stranger entering a town and causing all kinds of hell for the baddie" much better than I do Zapata westerns, I do think Mercenary is a notch above " Death Rides a Horse".


Title: Re: Match 20:Run Man Run versus Django Kill
Post by: The Firecracker on March 26, 2006, 10:03:33 PM
Linda Veras.

Where is Linda from? She looks rather german or austrian. and I can only guess  "Linda veras" is not her real name.


Title: Re: Match 28:Death Rides A Horse versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Arizona Colt on March 26, 2006, 11:26:45 PM
I love both but chose DRAH because I'd seen it more and I've always liked John Phillip Law ever since his portrayal of Sinbad in THE GOLDEN VOYAGE OF SINBAD. Speaking of NOBODY I have that 4 disc set of MNIN along with its sequel and there's a 90 minute documentary on the making of NOBODY that confirms Leone had a big hand in the filming of the movie and sheds light on his egotistical interference as the films producer and the friendships that had irreparable damage because of his dominance on set. There's also an hour long doc on the making of the lesser sequel NOBODYS THE GREATEST. Leone only directed the opening for this one while the behind the scenes scandals subsequent failure at the box office caused him to walk away from the genre forever. Fascinating viewing on this set.


Title: Re: Match 28:Death Rides A Horse versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on March 26, 2006, 11:28:14 PM
I love both but chose DRAH because I'd seen it more and I've always liked John Phillip Law ever since his portrayal of Sinbad in THE GOLDEN VOYAGE OF SINBAD. Speaking of NOBODY I have that 4 disc set of MNIN along with its sequel and there's a 90 minute documentary on the making of NOBODY that confirms Leone had a big hand in the filming of the movie and sheds light on his egotistical interference as the films producer and the friendships that had irreparable damage because of his dominance on set. There's also an hour long doc on the making of the lesser sequel NOBODYS THE GREATEST. Leone only directed the opening for this one while the behind the scenes scandals subsequent failure at the box office caused him to walk away from the genre forever. Fascinating viewing on this set.

I definatly want to buy that german set that you mentioned. I'll get around to it eventually.


Title: Re: Match 28:Death Rides A Horse versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Arizona Colt on March 26, 2006, 11:42:38 PM
Also get the german 4 disc set of FISTFUL OF DOLLARS and FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE if you haven't already. The special features are ported over from the british discs but the big attraction with the german set is the inclusion of the original mono sound on both films as the british discs don't have them. The gun shots and other sound effects unique to the spaghettis doesn't sound the same in 5.1.


Title: Re: Match 28:Death Rides A Horse versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on March 26, 2006, 11:44:33 PM
Also get the german 4 disc set of FISTFUL OF DOLLARS and FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE if you haven't already. The special features are ported over from the british discs but the big attraction with the german set is the inclusion of the original mono sound on both films as the british discs don't have them. The gun shots and other sound effects unique to the spaghettis doesn't sound the same in 5.1.

I got the boxed set one for Christmas. The one that comes in a wooden box with the pocket watch. Wonderful packaging.


Title: Re: Match 28:Death Rides A Horse versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Arizona Colt on March 26, 2006, 11:58:09 PM
If some are still available I may buy that one too at a later date. I have so many dvds of varying genres that I can't buy everything at once although I do spend WAY too much on dvds. I have around 60 or 70 movies I haven't had the time to watch yet. I visited my friend in NY who has his own dvd company recently and I brought around 30 movies back with me and I've had the opportunity to watch three. However, every other weekend when I can order some me and a buddy will get together and have a spaghetti western night and stay up all night watching them.


Title: Re: Match 28:Death Rides A Horse versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on March 27, 2006, 12:04:51 AM
If some are still available I may buy that one too at a later date. I have so many dvds of varying genres that I can't buy everything at once although I do spend WAY too much on dvds. I have around 60 or 70 movies I haven't had the time to watch yet. I visited my friend in NY who has his own dvd company recently and I brought around 30 movies back with me and I've had the opportunity to watch three. However, every other weekend when I can order some me and a buddy will get together and have a spaghetti western night and stay up all night watching them.

HA! I know that situation. Except I have no friend to watch Spaghetti westerns with. around these parts the word Western, cowboy or gunslinger is unheard of.


Title: Re: Match 28:Death Rides A Horse versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Arizona Colt on March 27, 2006, 12:15:35 AM
My friend is like a father to me as my real dad was never there and this friend of mine is on dyalysis. I spend a lot of my free time hanging out there. I guess you could say I'm making up for my years without a father figure. My friend loves westerns and pretty much anything else. My ex girlfriend thought that I was strange for entertaining such films along with kung fu movies, older and extreme horror pictures.


Title: Re: Match 28:Death Rides A Horse versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on March 27, 2006, 12:31:33 AM
My ex girlfriend thought that I was strange for entertaining such films along with kung fu movies, older and extreme horror pictures.
I have had trouble with getting my girlfriend to see these type of films as well.
I dont think women of this generation understand much of Spaghetti westerns or older films in general. particularly schlock films.

note: I dont want to offend the women who are members of the board, that is just my observation.


Title: Re: Match 28:Death Rides A Horse versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Arizona Colt on March 27, 2006, 12:35:25 AM
Schlock is good as long as it's entertaining. That's all I ask for in a movie, good or bad, that it be entertaining in some way.


Title: Re: Match 28:Death Rides A Horse versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on March 27, 2006, 12:36:14 AM
Schlock is good as long as it's entertaining. That's all I ask for in a movie, good or bad, that it be entertaining in some way.

I totally agree.


Title: Re: Match 28:Death Rides A Horse versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Arizona Colt on March 27, 2006, 12:40:32 AM
Since you enjoy Spaghetti westerns so much you should consider branching out into the Samurai or martial arts(particularly the Shaw Bros. productions)genres as all three genres drink from the same well.


Title: Re: Match 28:Death Rides A Horse versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on March 27, 2006, 12:48:03 AM
Since you enjoy Spaghetti westerns so much you should consider branching out into the Samurai or martial arts(particularly the Shaw Bros. productions)genres as all three genres drink from the same well.

I must admit I have really tried to like the Kung-fu genre...but I just cant.

I have seen...

two zaitochi films=hated them both
enter the dragon=didnt care for it, and some of it was downright laughable
Yojimbo= I found slow and tedious
seven samurai=While a monumental feature in its own right...I fell asleep half way through.

and quite a few others I have seen on television that I cannot recall the names too.

though my viewing of asian filmmaking is quite limited, I have seen enough to come to the conclusion that I do not like the genre.


Title: Re: Match 20:Run Man Run versus Django Kill
Post by: grandpa_chum on March 27, 2006, 01:47:48 AM
I'm not gonna vote because I've only seen run man run but from what I've heard i get the feeling i would be in the minority here... run man run is a great film in 3 or 4 sequences spread throughout... the rest is pretty mediocre in my mind, a bit too talkative, and I'm not in love with milian so that doesn't help.


Title: Re: Match 20:Run Man Run versus Django Kill
Post by: grandpa_chum on March 27, 2006, 01:56:08 AM
RUN MAN RUN is hands down better than DK in terms of entertainment value. A much more fun film all around. I wish Donald O'brien(DR. BUTCHER himself!)had gotten more roles like this as he is very good here. Another great Morricone soundtrack rounds out the package.  DK is a more cerebral affair that does contain a lot of hidden meaning within the film.

You are correct... is dr butcher any good by the way? Ive heard it is, and I've heard it isn't.


Title: Match 31:Django versus Price of Power
Post by: Banjo on March 27, 2006, 04:28:56 AM
Django-groundbreaking and terrific!


Title: Match 32:Django versus Sabata
Post by: Banjo on March 27, 2006, 04:30:49 AM
Sabata-its one of the most watched sw in my household!


Title: Match 33:Sabata versus Price of Power
Post by: Banjo on March 27, 2006, 04:32:27 AM
POP is gripping but i still prefer Sabata!


Title: Match 34:Hellbenders versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Banjo on March 27, 2006, 04:34:55 AM
Hard to say but HELLBENDERS!


Title: Match 35:Sartana versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Banjo on March 27, 2006, 04:37:28 AM
Definately that coolest of dudes Mr Sartana!


Title: Match 36:Hellbenders versus Sartana
Post by: Banjo on March 27, 2006, 04:41:33 AM
Sartana,one of those films i can watch over and over.I love the "i am your pallbearer" bit,the bluesy organ music with the percussive guitar,all the double crossing and Laskys a great villain !


Title: Re: Match 30:The Mercenary versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on March 27, 2006, 04:45:48 AM
"The Mercenary" is excellent. but I found "My name is Nobody" a bit more enjoyable.
Don't you think The Mercenary flows better?Stylistically MNIN is stuck in 2 or 3 camps and the Terence Hill comedy is less effective than the Trinity films!


Title: Re: Match 16:Sabata versus Sartana
Post by: Banjo on March 27, 2006, 05:20:04 AM
Firecracker, the plot to Sartana is complicated and open to interpretation and i think the brief plot description on the Wildeast sleeve is wrong and misleading.Its stated that Lasky(Berger) and Morgan(Kinski) are both in the employ of Holman and Stewel but its clear to me that this is not the case at all and that Lasky( and Morgan) are both blackmailing the bankers(the bankers even say as much) for firstly the robbery of the gold and secondly the insurance scam-Morgans obviously trying to get his hands on the insurance details in the opening stagecoach raid.Its also apparent that Tampico is being paid 50% for the gold robbery but Lasky(tipped of by Evelyn Holman) has other ideas and guns down Tampicos men in the process in order to get his own hands on the gold(well rocks as it turns out!).
Wheres it a bit unclear for you Firecracker?


Title: Re: Match 16:Sabata versus Sartana
Post by: The Firecracker on March 27, 2006, 09:18:22 AM
Firecracker, the plot to Sartana is complicated and open to interpretation and i think the brief plot description on the Wildeast sleeve is wrong and misleading.Its stated that Lasky(Berger) and Morgan(Kinski) are both in the employ of Holman and Stewel but its clear to me that this is not the case at all and that Lasky( and Morgan) are both blackmailing the bankers(the bankers even say as much) for firstly the robbery of the gold and secondly the insurance scam-Morgans obviously trying to get his hands on the insurance details in the opening stagecoach raid.Its also apparent that Tampico is being paid 50% for the gold robbery but Lasky(tipped of by Evelyn Holman) has other ideas and guns down Tampicos men in the process in order to get his own hands on the gold(well rocks as it turns out!).
Wheres it a bit unclear for you Firecracker?

I agree with you the Wild East cover is very misleading, it says the script is "genius".

I would have to watch it again before I can pin-point where I lost the plot. sorry.


Title: Re: Match 30:The Mercenary versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on March 27, 2006, 09:21:12 AM
the Terence Hill comedy is less effective than the Trinity films!

True, but what it lacks in humor it makes up for it with emotion. The story is quite touching.

And no I dont think it is stuck in two or three camps because that is how the movie was billed. Going in I was aware I was about to see a parody of spaghetti westerns with a hint of action and other aspects of the genre.


Title: Re: Match 36:Hellbenders versus Sartana
Post by: The Firecracker on March 27, 2006, 09:27:39 AM
Sartana,one of those films i can watch over and over.I love the "i am your pallbearer" bit,the bluesy organ music with the percussive guitar,all the double crossing and Laskys a great villain !

The "I am youre pallbearer" line is a classic and William Berger is in top form here but the plot loses me thirty or so minutes in and I lose all interest of the film.

Hellbenders however is a well put together little epic. Everytime the gang gets stopped by yankee soldiers or Indians youre heart stops, you wonder "how are they gonna get out  of this?".
That is pure cinema and pure entertainment.

The only thing I disliked about Hellbenders was that  flag there always lugging around, it isnt a confederate flag at all! what is up with that lizard on it? why didnt they use an actual confederate flag?

anyway...Hellbenders gets my vote.


Title: Re: Match 35:Sartana versus Navajo Joe
Post by: The Firecracker on March 27, 2006, 09:28:52 AM
Definately that coolest of dudes Mr Sartana!

I'll agree to that. though I love Navajo Joe, Sartana just has more class as an action picture, despite its many flaws.


Title: Re: Match 34:Hellbenders versus Navajo Joe
Post by: The Firecracker on March 27, 2006, 09:29:16 AM
Hard to say but HELLBENDERS!

agreed.


Title: Re: Match 33:Sabata versus Price of Power
Post by: The Firecracker on March 27, 2006, 09:29:37 AM
POP is gripping but i still prefer Sabata!
agreed.


Title: Re: Match 32:Django versus Sabata
Post by: The Firecracker on March 27, 2006, 09:30:37 AM
Sabata-its one of the most watched sw in my household!

Funny...Django is mine ;D


Title: Re: Match 31:Django versus Price of Power
Post by: The Firecracker on March 27, 2006, 09:31:23 AM
Django-groundbreaking and terrific!

exactly my thoughts.


Title: Re: Match 20:Run Man Run versus Django Kill
Post by: The Firecracker on March 27, 2006, 09:34:09 AM
I'm not gonna vote because I've only seen run man run but from what I've heard i get the feeling i would be in the minority here... run man run is a great film in 3 or 4 sequences spread throughout... the rest is pretty mediocre in my mind, a bit too talkative, and I'm not in love with milian so that doesn't help.

That is the way I feel about Run Man Run. But I voted for it because I dont care that much for Django kill(one of the most over rated movies of the whole genre).


Title: Re: Match 16:Sabata versus Sartana
Post by: Banjo on March 27, 2006, 10:54:03 AM
Good idea and maybe we can reconstruct the plot here !


Title: Re: Match 16:Sabata versus Sartana
Post by: The Firecracker on March 27, 2006, 11:03:37 AM
Good idea and maybe we can reconstruct the plot here !

that is a Brilliant idea!

I'll watch the film tomorrow night so we can get the ball rolling wednesday,  I have to finish "Kelly's heores" tonight.


Title: Re: Match 20:Run Man Run versus Django Kill
Post by: Tim on March 27, 2006, 07:32:34 PM
  I go back and forth with Django Kill, but most of the time I lean toward disliking it.  As for Run Man Run, I haven't seen it, but that DVD is always looking back at me at the local Borders and Best Buy.


Title: Re: Match 32:Django versus Sabata
Post by: Tim on March 27, 2006, 07:33:20 PM
  I'll go with Sabata.  I'm a big fan of Django, but I just enjoy myself more while watching LVC in Sabata.


Title: Re: Match 20:Run Man Run versus Django Kill
Post by: cigar joe on March 27, 2006, 07:43:15 PM
I think she's Tyrolean Italian/Austrian area of Italy or Austrian, Sollima mentions about wanting a completely different look from Chelo Alonzo, and I think He mentions where she's from in the extras on RMR


Title: Re: Match 32:Django versus Sabata
Post by: cigar joe on March 27, 2006, 07:44:49 PM
Sabata for LVC


Title: Re: Match 31:Django versus Price of Power
Post by: cigar joe on March 27, 2006, 07:45:39 PM
PoP too talky


Title: Re: Match 33:Sabata versus Price of Power
Post by: cigar joe on March 27, 2006, 07:46:12 PM
LVC


Title: Re: Match 20:Run Man Run versus Django Kill
Post by: The Firecracker on March 27, 2006, 11:39:24 PM
I think she's Tyrolean Italian/Austrian area of Italy or Austrian, Sollima mentions about wanting a completely different look from Chelo Alonzo, and I think He mentions where she's from in the extras on RMR

There is a easter egg interview with sollima on the run man run dvd but it is in italian with no subtitles!!!!!!!!Is that just my dvd?


Title: Match 37:Keoma versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: Banjo on March 28, 2006, 04:20:08 AM
Nero,Berger,Strode and co versus a cast of nondescript actors i've never heard of?No contest i say!To be fair though CWC is quite gripping,it looks great(but not still not as good as Keoma) and it has a killer theme tune!


Title: Match 38:Cemetery Without Crosses versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: Banjo on March 28, 2006, 04:28:08 AM
The funniest ever comedy western versus one of the grimmest ever westerns?Sorry Firecracker but i have to plump for the comedy (genius!!) of Bud and Terence.I've just replaced my crappy old pan & scan versions of both Trinity films with quality widescreen dvds and it make one helluva difference!


Title: Match 39:Keoma versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: Banjo on March 28, 2006, 04:32:20 AM
In his pocket guide Howard Hughes is right!-They Call Me Trinity deserves to be in the top 10 of anyones sw collection.Keoma might just slip into my top 20!


Title: Re: Match 38:Cemetary Without Crosses versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: cigar joe on March 28, 2006, 04:33:01 AM
CWC all the way 8), no comedy for this buckaroo :P


Title: Re: Keoma versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: cigar joe on March 28, 2006, 04:34:15 AM
Bah! Keoma.

Comedy Westerns should be in an en...tire-ly different catagory!


Title: Re: Match 37:Keoma versus Cemetary Without Crosses
Post by: cigar joe on March 28, 2006, 04:37:49 AM
Keoma just barely.


Title: Re: Match 20:Run Man Run versus Django Kill
Post by: cigar joe on March 28, 2006, 04:48:36 AM
The Blue Underground DVD has subs in the Sollima interview, he's sitting at what looks like a bar, he talkes about Linda Veras used to contrast Chelo Alonzo, Tomas Milian and his method acting antics, and mentions that his favorite scene was the chase through the deep snow sequence, since he believed it had never been shown before in a western.


Title: Re: should this spag be apart of Banjo's poll?
Post by: Banjo on March 28, 2006, 06:51:36 AM
also along with those bad boys on the top you should add
Viva Django
I've just watched Viva Django and its a fantastic film worthy of a prequel to the original.Terence Hill,Horst Franck & co,the storyline,action pieces and theme tune are all magnificent.As far as Ferdinando Baldi's sw's go, from my collection i'd rate this one first,followed by Forgotten Pistolero,then Texas Addio and finally Blindman.
Firecracker you should indeed include this in the "B" division league in due course!


Title: Re: Keoma versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: Banjo on March 28, 2006, 07:02:19 AM
But where do you draw the line?
Sabata could arguably be called a comedy but we daren't leave that out and both Leones and Corbuccis sw's include a good slice of comedy.
My conscience is clear!


Title: Re: Keoma versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: The Firecracker on March 28, 2006, 11:01:27 AM
Though I am probably on the losing side...I choose Keoma.


Title: Re: should this spag be apart of Banjo's poll?
Post by: The Firecracker on March 28, 2006, 11:12:57 AM
I've just watched Viva Django and its a fantastic film worthy of a prequel to the original.Terence Hill,Horst Franck & co,the storyline,action pieces and theme tune are all magnificent.As far as Ferdinando Baldi's sw's go, from my collection i'd rate this one first,followed by Forgotten Pistolero,then Texas Addio and finally Blindman.
Firecracker you should indeed include this in the "B" division league in due course!

ah the task has already been bestwoed upon me has it? ;D
alrighty I'll help ya out.
Banjo I couldnt help but notice you put "Blindman" as youre least fav Baldi film. why? personally I think "Texas adios" is his weakest film that I have seen so far.


Title: Re: Match 20:Run Man Run versus Django Kill
Post by: The Firecracker on March 28, 2006, 11:15:16 AM
The Blue Underground DVD has subs in the Sollima interview, he's sitting at what looks like a bar, he talkes about Linda Veras used to contrast Chelo Alonzo, Tomas Milian and his method acting antics, and mentions that his favorite scene was the chase through the deep snow sequence, since he believed it had never been shown before in a western.

yeah that is the main interview, the "30 years running" interview. I am talking asbout an easter egg interview with sollima only, it runs like 2 minutes. And it does not have subtitles.


Title: Re: Match 37:Keoma versus Cemetary Without Crosses
Post by: The Firecracker on March 28, 2006, 11:18:09 AM
Keoma just barely.

ah christ...There comes a time in life where you have to make a choice... and if you make the wrong one...you'll be kickin youre behind for it, for as long as you live. This moment is nothing like that...but it is still a hard decision(for me). I love both movies.

I dont know...give me a day to figure it out.


Title: Re: Match 38:Cemetary Without Crosses versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: The Firecracker on March 28, 2006, 11:18:49 AM
sorry banjo :'(

CWC.


Title: Re: Match 37:Keoma versus Cemetary Without Crosses
Post by: cigar joe on March 28, 2006, 05:45:09 PM
By the way banjo is that the English spelling of "Cemetery"  ;D


Title: Re: Match 20:Run Man Run versus Django Kill
Post by: cigar joe on March 28, 2006, 05:46:34 PM
I don't think I even looked at that one yet.


Title: Re: Keoma versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: cigar joe on March 28, 2006, 05:56:39 PM
There is a difference between a seroius film with some humorous elements and a straight go for comedy Western, in my book slapstick is basic comedy.

The Trinity films are similar to Laurel and Hardy in "Go West" or the Three Stooges only they can shoot, lol.


Title: Re: Keoma versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: Banjo on March 29, 2006, 01:04:12 AM
Well what about My Name Is Nobody(potential winner) which is half a Trinity film?


Title: Re: Match 37:Keoma versus Cemetary Without Crosses
Post by: Banjo on March 29, 2006, 01:05:45 AM
By the way banjo is that the English spelling of "Cemetery"  ;D
Thanks for pointing it out CJ,i need a dictionary!


Title: Re: should this spag be apart of Banjo's poll?
Post by: Banjo on March 29, 2006, 01:20:44 AM
Viva Django and Forgotten Pistolero for me are way ahead of both Texas Adios and Blindman but theres not that much between the latter two.Despite the dodgy dubbing i slightly prefer Texas Adios mainly because of Franco Nero.Tony Anthony hasn't quite clicked for me as a sw hero-uncharismatic,ugly and as a parody not a patch on Hills Trinity character.However my DVDr is the cut version so it may be suffering because of this-i really like the music though!


Title: Match 40:Navajo Joe versus Run Man Run
Post by: Banjo on March 29, 2006, 01:30:07 AM
Easy-Run Man Run.


Title: Match 41:Run Man Run versus Sartana
Post by: Banjo on March 29, 2006, 01:39:04 AM
I'm very much in a Gianni Garko mode this week so i say Sartana. Firecracker can't think of the title offhand but do you know anything about the non-Carmineo Sartana movie which is previewed on the Wildeast disc?Garko looks nothing like his usual Sartana.
Apparently he also played another character called Sartana-a bad guy similar to Kinski's Wild-in a 1966 sw called Blood at Sundown!


Title: Match 42:Return of Ringo versus Hellbenders
Post by: Banjo on March 29, 2006, 01:44:47 AM
I'm not a big fan of Guliano Gemma but despite looking uncool in the straw hat i like him in ROR alot(as well as the gypsy women who plays the widow in Big Gundown) so i'm voting ROR.


Title: Re: Match 41:Run Man Run versus Sartana
Post by: cigar joe on March 29, 2006, 03:21:19 AM
RMR


Title: Re: Match 40:Navajo Joe versus Run Man Run
Post by: cigar joe on March 29, 2006, 03:22:10 AM
RMR


Title: Re: Match 39:Keoma versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: cigar joe on March 29, 2006, 03:27:16 AM
Nobody is definitely a strange hybird.



Title: Re: Match 40:Navajo Joe versus Run Man Run
Post by: The Firecracker on March 29, 2006, 10:15:36 AM
RMR

agreed.


Title: Re: Match 41:Run Man Run versus Sartana
Post by: The Firecracker on March 29, 2006, 10:23:12 AM
I'm very much in a Gianni Garko mode this week so i say Sartana. Firecracker can't think of the title offhand but do you know anything about the non-Carmineo Sartana movie which is previewed on the Wildeast disc?Garko looks nothing like his usual Sartana.
Apparently he also played another character called Sartana-a bad guy similar to Kinski's Wild-in a 1966 sw called Blood at Sundown!

yes that film is called "and Sartana kills them all". He plays a character that is nothing like the REAL sartana but shares the same name. xploitedcinema sells it. I might check it out when I have gotten most of my "wanted" spaghettis. I like the theme song, real catchy("ride alone ride alone, oh amigo...").

"Blood at sundown" was made before the Sartana movies and featured Garko as the a villian called Sartana.
The story is Sartana commits a crime and blames it on his brother, Years later the brother is released from prison only to find out that his evil brother sartana (garko) has tooken over  his home-town and is abusing his power.
sounds pretty good. Those that have seen it say it is an excellent spaghetti western. I would like to get my hands on it myself. Jerksi was selling copies a few months ago but I missed my oppertunity. I am sure he will sell them again.


Put me down for Run Man Run.


Title: Re: Match 42:Return of Ringo versus Hellbenders
Post by: The Firecracker on March 29, 2006, 10:26:32 AM
I'm not a big fan of Guliano Gemma but despite looking uncool in the straw hat i like him in ROR alot(as well as the gypsy women who plays the widow in Big Gundown) so i'm voting ROR.

I like Gemma  :)

The gypsy woman is an actress called Nieves Navarro.


Title: Re: should this spag be apart of Banjo's poll?
Post by: The Firecracker on March 29, 2006, 10:32:46 AM
Viva Django and Forgotten Pistolero for me are way ahead of both Texas Adios and Blindman but theres not that much between the latter two.Despite the dodgy dubbing i slightly prefer Texas Adios mainly because of Franco Nero.Tony Anthony hasn't quite clicked for me as a sw hero-uncharismatic,ugly and as a parody not a patch on Hills Trinity character.However my DVDr is the cut version so it may be suffering because of this-i really like the music though!

Poor Anthony :'(


I really disagree with the whole "Blindman being a  parody" buissness. This is not a parody of spaghetti westerns! It just has comical elements in it. I really dont know where people get the idea that it is a parody. It is a little loopy but  not a parody.

Banjo: no wonder you dont appreciate it that much...the american cut is pretty bad in my opinion. it has those really nasty cuts that you know are cuts and they distract you horribly. The cuts were alot of nudity, bloody gunshots and some of blindman's funniest quips.

*spoiler up ahead!!!!!!*

The scene where the genral burns domingo's eyes out is cut to ribbons as well.

and Ringo only gets shot once as opposed to three or four times.


Title: Re: Match 37:Keoma versus Cemetary Without Crosses
Post by: The Firecracker on March 29, 2006, 10:34:54 AM
Thanks for pointing it out CJ,i need a dictionary!

dont worry I have the same problem myself. It is hard for me to come to grips with how many "Es" that word has...


I chose cemetery finally(just to put it at a tie, and make things difficult ;D). I think it is a better film.


Title: Re: should this spag be apart of Banjo's poll?
Post by: boardwalk_angel on March 29, 2006, 10:38:15 PM
Poor Anthony :'(


I really disagree with the whole "Blindman being a  parody" buissness. This is not a parody of spaghetti westerns!


I watched the uncut version...w/ the restored deleted scenes in Italian...& I really have to applaud Tony Anthony, for writing it.
That being said...there is a large 'spoof' element to it..which works very nicely..& in a SW loving way... it's not a parody...in a ridiculing sense..not at all.
It's also a nice take on "Zatoichi"..of which I imagine Anthony was a big fan of.
It's fun..not a SW classic..but a good one.

-"Which way to Mexico"?
--"How do I show you?"
-"Show the horse".
  ;D


Title: Re: Match 41:Run Man Run versus Sartana
Post by: Banjo on March 30, 2006, 02:04:48 AM
Yeau based on the trailer Sartana Kills Them All doesn't look all that good!
I looked up Blood at Sundown and i see that it is a sequel to Seven Dollars On The Red and that they both star Anthony Steffen.Two to investigate in the future maybe?


Title: Re: should this spag be apart of Banjo's poll?
Post by: Banjo on March 30, 2006, 02:28:40 AM
This is not a parody of spaghetti westerns! It just has comical elements in it. I really dont know where people get the idea that it is a parody. It is a little loopy but  not a parody.
I said Anthonys Blindman character is a poor parody of the sw (anti) hero (apparently his parody is made even more obvious in the Stranger series) in that the invinciblity of these almost "supermen" is taken to ridiculous extremes in Blindman.I don't dislike the movie and at some point i would like to see the full version.


Title: Match 43:Return Of Ringo versus Day Of Anger
Post by: Banjo on March 30, 2006, 02:34:17 AM
Bout time i gave DOA a bit of credit-its miles nearer to the FOD blueprint which got me into this whole sw obsession in the first place!Yes i need to see the full version of DOA too!!


Title: Match 44:Django Kill versus Price of Power
Post by: Banjo on March 30, 2006, 02:36:58 AM
I'm a POP fan,not so DK!


Title: Match 45:Django versus Django Kill
Post by: Banjo on March 30, 2006, 02:39:20 AM
DK shouldn't even have Django in the title!


Title: Re: Match 45:Django versus Django Kill
Post by: cigar joe on March 30, 2006, 05:29:05 AM
Django


Title: Re: Match 43:Return Of Ringo versus Day Of Anger
Post by: cigar joe on March 30, 2006, 05:29:48 AM
DoA


Title: Re: Match 44:Django Kill versus Price of Power
Post by: cigar joe on March 30, 2006, 06:13:42 AM
PoP only since I've seen it.  ::)


Title: Re: Match 44:Django Kill versus Price of Power
Post by: The Firecracker on March 30, 2006, 09:50:07 AM
I hop on  POP. ;D


Title: Re: Match 43:Return Of Ringo versus Day Of Anger
Post by: The Firecracker on March 30, 2006, 09:51:42 AM


Doa


Title: Re: Match 45:Django versus Django Kill
Post by: The Firecracker on March 30, 2006, 09:52:34 AM
Django

Agreed.

by the way Banjo, how is Django doing in the polls so far? Is it a possible winner?


Title: Re: Match 41:Run Man Run versus Sartana
Post by: The Firecracker on March 30, 2006, 09:55:28 AM

I looked up Blood at Sundown and i see that it is a sequel to Seven Dollars On The Red and that they both star Anthony Steffen.Two to investigate in the future maybe?


Most definatly. Although the two films are not sequels. There is something more complicated than that going on. I will explain when I get back from work tonight.


Title: Re: Match 45:Django versus Django Kill
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 30, 2006, 04:28:16 PM
Django


Title: Re: Match 43:Return Of Ringo versus Day Of Anger
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 30, 2006, 04:31:09 PM
DOA


Title: Match 46:Sabata versus Face To Face
Post by: Banjo on March 31, 2006, 02:43:07 AM
This is really hard.The missus is mad on Sabata so i'll go with her!


Title: Re: Match 46:Sabata versus Face To Face
Post by: The Firecracker on March 31, 2006, 02:43:49 AM
cant vote. havent seen "Face to Face".


Title: Match 47:Big Gundown versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: Banjo on March 31, 2006, 02:56:40 AM
How can i possibly vote against Messrs Van Cleef and Milian?


Title: Re: Match 47:Big Gundown versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: The Firecracker on March 31, 2006, 02:58:00 AM
How can i possibly vote against Messrs Van Cleef and Milian?

I love  both actors, but even they cannot beat the brilliance of "Cemetery without crosses".


Title: Match 48:Day Of Anger versus Keoma
Post by: Banjo on March 31, 2006, 03:04:54 AM
Keoma of course!


Title: Re: Match 48:Day Of Anger versus Keoma
Post by: The Firecracker on March 31, 2006, 03:05:38 AM
K-E-O-M-A!!!!

YAAAAAA

IAM HERE

IN FRONT OF...... DEEZ.....MEN.


Title: Re: Match 44:Django Kill versus Price of Power
Post by: Banjo on March 31, 2006, 03:09:20 AM
Will Django Kill ever get any points on the board?At this rate it won't even qualify for Firecrackers "B" League!!


Title: Re: Match 44:Django Kill versus Price of Power
Post by: The Firecracker on March 31, 2006, 03:10:22 AM
Will Django Kill ever get any points on the board?At this rate it won't even qualify for Firecrackers "B" League!!
to hell with that movie!
it shouldnt even be on the "z league"! ;D


Title: Re: Match 41:Run Man Run versus Sartana
Post by: Banjo on March 31, 2006, 03:11:05 AM
I've been misinformed?So Steffen plays a different character in each?


Title: Re: Match 41:Run Man Run versus Sartana
Post by: The Firecracker on March 31, 2006, 03:14:29 AM
I've been misinformed?So Steffen plays a different character in each?

yes. the two films shared the same title at one point(blood at sundown) and one title was changed due to copyright and what not. Steffen is a completly different character in each, and their is no relation to either of the films except for the star and the titles(which one of the titles was changed).


Title: Re: Match 45:Django versus Django Kill
Post by: Banjo on March 31, 2006, 03:15:03 AM
Agreed.

by the way Banjo, how is Django doing in the polls so far? Is it a possible winner?
I haven't compiled any of the results so far but as soon as Match 21 expires i'll do the first league table.Every sw will have "played" two matches by then.
BTW Firecracker don't make the same mistake and use an odd number of sw's when you come to do your league-its a pain in the ass!As you can see i've now adandoned the 3 way round robins!


Title: Re: Match 47:Big Gundown versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: Banjo on March 31, 2006, 03:17:03 AM
A one man crusade ,possibly!!!


Title: Re: Match 47:Big Gundown versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: The Firecracker on March 31, 2006, 03:18:14 AM
A one man crusade ,possibly!!!

  ;D

indeed.


Title: Re: Match 44:Django Kill versus Price of Power
Post by: Banjo on March 31, 2006, 03:18:28 AM
Maybe i shouldn't have looked at that SWWB poll?


Title: Re: Match 45:Django versus Django Kill
Post by: The Firecracker on March 31, 2006, 03:20:05 AM
I haven't compiled any of the results so far but as soon as Match 21 expires i'll do the first league table.Every sw will have "played" two matches by then.
BTW Firecracker don't make the same mistake and use an odd number of sw's when you come to do your league-its a pain in the ass!As you can see i've now adandoned the 3 way round robins!

but if it is an even number there is a chance that their could be a tie.

ah well! a tie breaker poll will be in order then.


Title: Re: Match 44:Django Kill versus Price of Power
Post by: The Firecracker on March 31, 2006, 03:20:41 AM
Maybe i shouldn't have looked at that SWWB poll?

where is this poll anyhow?


Title: Re: Match 47:Big Gundown versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: The Firecracker on March 31, 2006, 03:23:45 AM
actually if I am not mistaken it won a poll or two I believe.


Title: Re: Match 44:Django Kill versus Price of Power
Post by: Banjo on March 31, 2006, 03:27:39 AM
www.sartana.homestead.com/Top20.html


Title: Re: Match 44:Django Kill versus Price of Power
Post by: The Firecracker on March 31, 2006, 03:29:46 AM
www.sartana.homestead.com/Top20.html

oh yeah I have come across this.
I think the list is a complete mess.
"Any Gun can play" as top twenty?
hardly.


Title: Re: Match 44:Django Kill versus Price of Power
Post by: Banjo on March 31, 2006, 03:39:43 AM
Well in retrospect maybe i could've consulted everyone first but we could've been arguing till the cows come home!When you get round to the "B" league i'll try not not interfere with your choices because obviously i know how difficult it is!!


Title: Re: Match 44:Django Kill versus Price of Power
Post by: The Firecracker on March 31, 2006, 03:41:23 AM
Well in retrospect maybe i could've consulted everyone first but we could've been arguing till the cows come home!When you get round to the "B" league i'll try not not interfere with your choices because obviously i know how difficult it is!!

to be fair you can pitch in at least one of youre choices for "b-league" since I tormented you with "Cemetery without crosses"(which isnt doing horrible).


Title: Re: Match 44:Django Kill versus Price of Power
Post by: Banjo on March 31, 2006, 03:42:56 AM
OK that sounds fair!


Title: Re: Match 48:Day Of Anger versus Keoma
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 31, 2006, 05:11:44 AM
Hmm I might go for DOA (don't hit me)


Title: Re: Match 48:Day Of Anger versus Keoma
Post by: Marco Leone on March 31, 2006, 06:33:13 AM
Marco says "Keoma"


Title: Re: Match 44:Django Kill versus Price of Power
Post by: Marco Leone on March 31, 2006, 06:34:31 AM
Like my brother Banjo, I'm not a big lover of Price of Power.  So its Django Kill all the way!


Title: Re: Match 47:Big Gundown versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: Marco Leone on March 31, 2006, 06:35:20 AM
Very tough one.  I love both.  But I have to go with Gig Gundown.


Title: Re: Match 45:Django versus Django Kill
Post by: Marco Leone on March 31, 2006, 06:35:55 AM
Django.


Title: Re: Match 46:Sabata versus Face To Face
Post by: Marco Leone on March 31, 2006, 06:36:42 AM
Face to Face is a classic.  Whereas Sabata...... well its pretty good but can't compete.


Title: Re: Match 43:Return Of Ringo versus Day Of Anger
Post by: Marco Leone on March 31, 2006, 06:37:27 AM
The best of the Ringo films.  Its a 4 star job in Marco's book!


Title: Re: Match 37:Keoma versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: Marco Leone on March 31, 2006, 06:38:28 AM
Its tight..... but the fact that CWC doesn't have that annoying soundtrack sways me!


Title: Re: Match 42:Return of Ringo versus Hellbenders
Post by: Marco Leone on March 31, 2006, 06:39:43 AM
Hellbenders is an all time favourite.  Love the music, love its plodding feel.  Its in my Top Ten


Title: Re: Match 39:Keoma versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: Marco Leone on March 31, 2006, 06:40:38 AM
I'm still not completely sold on the Trinity films.  Keoma for me.


Title: Re: Match 38:Cemetery Without Crosses versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: Marco Leone on March 31, 2006, 06:42:24 AM
CWC, classic


Title: I've been enjoying the polls
Post by: Marco Leone on March 31, 2006, 06:44:17 AM
Its been a while since I've been about.  Been busy recording the new Freak Circus CD, and gigging.  But its great to come back.  Hope to be boring you all again with my reviews shortly!!!
 ;D


Title: Re: Match 48:Day Of Anger versus Keoma
Post by: The Firecracker on March 31, 2006, 12:21:58 PM
Hmm I might go for DOA (don't hit me)

 >:( you deserve to be hit mister!   >:(


 ;D :) ;)


Title: Re: Match 48:Day Of Anger versus Keoma
Post by: Arizona Colt on March 31, 2006, 01:39:26 PM
Although they both are extremely well made films I'm going with DOA as I'm a bigger fan of Gemma and Van Cleef as opposed to the often stiff Franco Nero. If DOA had anybody else in the starring roles I may have voted for KEOMA as it's a striking film and arguably Castellaris' best film of the handful I've seen. I enjoyed how the soundtrack paralleled the action onscreen and the whole gothic feel which seemed a merging of Corbucci and Mario Bava. Also the appearances of Olga Karlatos(ZOMBIE) and Donald O'brien(ZOMBIE HOLOCAUST), two italian horror favorites is welcome.


Title: Re: Match 39:Keoma versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: Arizona Colt on March 31, 2006, 01:44:59 PM
Ever since I saw SUPER FUZZ as a kid I've been a fan of Terence Hill so TRINITY it is.


Title: Re: I've been enjoying the polls
Post by: Banjo on March 31, 2006, 02:04:00 PM
Brilliant to see you back-you were sorely missed-and i'm looking forward to some more reviews!!


Title: Re: I've been enjoying the polls
Post by: The Peacemaker on March 31, 2006, 06:03:08 PM
Yeh Marco Leone, you're never around! But I love your reviews. It's great to hear all the lesser-known spaghettis because here in the states they're very rare. Stupid regional DVDs.   :'(


Title: Re: I've been enjoying the polls
Post by: The Firecracker on March 31, 2006, 06:27:38 PM
Yeh Marco Leone, you're never around! But I love your reviews. It's great to hear all the lesser-known spaghettis because here in the states they're very rare. Stupid regional DVDs.   :'(

get a free region dvd player, that way they wont be unavailable to you anymore.


Title: Re: Match 46:Sabata versus Face To Face
Post by: cigar joe on March 31, 2006, 07:41:32 PM
FTF


Title: Re: Match 47:Big Gundown versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: cigar joe on March 31, 2006, 07:43:34 PM
Very tough one.  I love both.  But I have to go with Gig Gundown.

TBG for me too.


Title: Re: Match 44:Django Kill versus Price of Power
Post by: cigar joe on March 31, 2006, 07:46:03 PM
You might Have tried Howard Huges' list from the small pocket essentials there were 31 in that book  8).


Title: Match 49:Death Rides A Horse versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: Banjo on April 01, 2006, 04:06:15 AM
I've got to say DRAH-very close to being a Leone movie!


Title: Match 50:Django Kill versus Great Silence
Post by: Banjo on April 01, 2006, 04:09:01 AM
Why did i include Django Kill?Whadaya think Marco?


Title: Match 51:Run Man Run versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on April 01, 2006, 04:12:06 AM
I'm plumping for the great GBU style adventure story of RMR over the touching western homage/slapstick fest of MNIN.


Title: Re: Match 45:Django versus Django Kill
Post by: Banjo on April 01, 2006, 04:15:34 AM
but if it is an even number there is a chance that their could be a tie.

ah well! a tie breaker poll will be in order then.
In the event of a tie the title with the most accumulated votes will prevail.


Title: Re: Match 39:Keoma versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: Banjo on April 01, 2006, 04:20:13 AM
Thanks for the support Arizona Colt!


Title: Re: Match 44:Django Kill versus Price of Power
Post by: Banjo on April 01, 2006, 04:23:55 AM
31's a little too big for a league table and who's seen 7 Guns For The McGregors,One Silver Dollar etc?


Title: Re: Match 44:Django Kill versus Price of Power
Post by: cigar joe on April 01, 2006, 05:04:14 AM
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31's a little too big for a league table and who's seen 7 Guns For The McGregors,One Silver Dollar etc?


I suppose, but we do have "A Man Called Sledge" available here on R1  ;D.


Title: Re: Match 51:Run Man Run versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: cigar joe on April 01, 2006, 05:08:45 AM
RMR no doubt.


Title: Re: Match 50:Django Kill versus Great Silence
Post by: cigar joe on April 01, 2006, 05:10:13 AM
TGS


Title: Re: Match 49:Death Rides A Horse versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: cigar joe on April 01, 2006, 05:10:54 AM
DRAH


Title: Re: Match 44:Django Kill versus Price of Power
Post by: Banjo on April 01, 2006, 06:35:11 AM
I don't think Sledge could breach the top 10 which was the original intent of this contest.Could feature in Firecrackers "B" league when he starts it!


Title: Re: Match 49:Death Rides A Horse versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: Tim on April 01, 2006, 10:39:17 AM
  Death Rides a Horse because it does borrow heavily from Leone westerns.  Can anyone say FAFDM?  I think I read in Howard Hughes Pocket Essentials, that DRAH and FAFDM had the same screenwriters, so that'd explain it.


Title: Re: Match 50:Django Kill versus Great Silence
Post by: Tim on April 01, 2006, 10:40:05 AM
  Not even close for me.  I like parts of Django Kill, but TGS is leaving it in the dust.


Title: Re: Match 45:Django versus Django Kill
Post by: Tim on April 01, 2006, 10:41:07 AM
  Django.


Title: Re: Match 50:Django Kill versus Great Silence
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 01, 2006, 11:34:44 AM
TGS by miles.


Title: Re: Match 51:Run Man Run versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 01, 2006, 11:36:20 AM
I'm going to tie the scores and go with MNIN


Title: Re: Match 51:Run Man Run versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on April 01, 2006, 12:32:16 PM
no contest for me.

MNIN!


Title: Re: Match 50:Django Kill versus Great Silence
Post by: The Firecracker on April 01, 2006, 12:33:01 PM
TGS by miles.

by light years!


Title: Re: Match 49:Death Rides A Horse versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: The Firecracker on April 01, 2006, 12:35:06 PM
I've got to say DRAH-very close to being a Leone movie!

yes but "Cemetery without crosses" is the closest I have seen to a leone movie(excluding the music).

Put me down for Death and his white horse.


Title: Re: Match 49:Death Rides A Horse versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: mezcal on April 01, 2006, 12:44:46 PM
both are excellent films.
i just don't understand the point of this poll.
how can you attempt to compare a 1967 revenge SW with a 1971 comedy western?
they are 'polls' apart,
the irony for me is that comedy SW's are often relegated to being lesser movies while both of the trinity movies deseve to be in my top 10 and should not be consigned to the comedy genre


Title: Re: Match 49:Death Rides A Horse versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: The Firecracker on April 01, 2006, 01:22:00 PM
both are excellent films.
i just don't understand the point of this poll.
how can you attempt to compare a 1967 revenge SW with a 1971 comedy western?
they are 'polls' apart,
the irony for me is that comedy SW's are often relegated to being lesser movies while both of the trinity movies deseve to be in my top 10 and should not be consigned to the comedy genre


 These polls have been going on for a good month now. We got the most highly regarded sws and we are now  pitting them against each other to see which is considered to be the best.



Title: Re: Match 44:Django Kill versus Price of Power
Post by: The Firecracker on April 01, 2006, 01:27:34 PM
I don't think Sledge could breach the top 10 which was the original intent of this contest.Could feature in Firecrackers "B" league when he starts it!

hardly.
I didnt care for sledge.
The end with the cross tied to his arm is bad ass though!


Title: Re: Match 51:Run Man Run versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 01, 2006, 01:53:52 PM
Both are great films but I put MNIN over Run, Man, Run. I think MNIN has much better music, action, and direction. The story in RMR is alittle better but I still put MNIN over RMR.


Title: Re: Match 51:Run Man Run versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on April 01, 2006, 02:06:20 PM
the story in RMR is alittle better but I still put MNIN over RMR.

actually I find the story in "Nobody" more interesting.
Run Man Run's story is not that original...How many times have we seen several parties trying to back stab and kill eachother while searching for large amounts of gold hidden somewhere?(*cough GBU cough*). ;)


Title: Re: Match 44:Django Kill versus Price of Power
Post by: cigar joe on April 01, 2006, 02:38:10 PM
Quote
The end with the cross tied to his arm is bad ass though!


And also remember we in R1 have a cut version, we don't see what happens to Laura Antonelli we just hear her screams. 


Title: Re: Match 44:Django Kill versus Price of Power
Post by: The Firecracker on April 01, 2006, 02:41:51 PM


And also remember we in R1 have a cut version, we don't see what happens to Laura Antonelli we just hear her screams. 

I saw the film on Encore westerns a few weeks ago. I dont know if it is a cut version.
The action scenes in sledge are done well, particularly the jail break scene with the gatling gun. But other than that and the final confrontation with the old man and his partners...nothing else stood out.


Title: Re: Match 44:Django Kill versus Price of Power
Post by: The Firecracker on April 01, 2006, 02:42:56 PM
7 Guns For The McGregors,One Silver Dollar etc?

havent seen these but they are on my "want" list.


Title: Re: Match 44:Django Kill versus Price of Power
Post by: cigar joe on April 01, 2006, 02:58:37 PM
I think Laura Antonelli is brutally raped in the international cut, it would have provided a more powerful ending.


Title: Re: Match 44:Django Kill versus Price of Power
Post by: The Firecracker on April 01, 2006, 03:04:20 PM
I think Laura Antonelli is brutally raped in the international cut, it would have provided a more powerful ending.
really? I just thought she was killed. It is a rather quick scream and then you hear nothing.

I guess youre right.


Title: Re: Match 51:Run Man Run versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Tim on April 01, 2006, 10:49:32 PM
  My Name is Nobody for me.


Title: Match 52:Bullet For The General versus Return of Ringo
Post by: Banjo on April 02, 2006, 06:53:23 AM
They've both got very excellent but different merits but i sat BFTG!


Title: Match 53:The Mercenary versus Django
Post by: Banjo on April 02, 2006, 06:55:46 AM
I'm torn but i'm gonna have to say The Mercenary-Corbucci had reached his zenith at this stage!


Title: Match 54:Companeros versus Hellbenders
Post by: Banjo on April 02, 2006, 06:57:40 AM
Hellbenders is unique but i still say Companeros!


Title: Re: Match 49:Death Rides A Horse versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: Banjo on April 02, 2006, 07:08:17 AM
Only one vote for Trinity-i'm gonna have to try bribery!!


Title: Re: Match 54:Companeros versus Hellbenders
Post by: cigar joe on April 02, 2006, 07:10:46 AM
Companero's


Title: Re: Match 53:The Mercenary versus Django
Post by: cigar joe on April 02, 2006, 07:11:14 AM
The Mercenary


Title: Re: Match 52:Bullet For The General versus Return of Ringo
Post by: cigar joe on April 02, 2006, 07:11:44 AM
A Bullet For The General


Title: Re: Match 52:Bullet For The General versus Return of Ringo
Post by: The Firecracker on April 02, 2006, 11:27:05 AM
A Bullet For The General

I have to say the same.


Title: Re: Match 53:The Mercenary versus Django
Post by: The Firecracker on April 02, 2006, 11:28:03 AM
I agree that the Mercenary Is corbucci's everest...but I love Django.


Title: Re: Match 54:Companeros versus Hellbenders
Post by: The Firecracker on April 02, 2006, 11:30:04 AM
I have to honestly say "Hellbenders".
I was thrilled every moment in that film.

In "Companeros" There are a few places that I felt needed some editing or I felt rather bored with.


Title: Re: Match 53:The Mercenary versus Django
Post by: Tim on April 02, 2006, 10:13:18 PM
  The Mercenary or as my crappy dvd version says "Professional Gun" starring Jack Palance.  He's very good as Curly, but starring? I think not.  And I like The Mercenary title better than Professional Gun.

  Django's good, but not this good.


Title: Re: Match 53:The Mercenary versus Django
Post by: dave jenkins on April 03, 2006, 12:32:07 AM
The Mercenary is OK; I can't stand Django.


Title: Re: Match 46:Sabata versus Face To Face
Post by: dave jenkins on April 03, 2006, 12:33:44 AM
I concur: FTF.


Title: Re: Match 50:Django Kill versus Great Silence
Post by: dave jenkins on April 03, 2006, 12:35:20 AM
Two completely wretched films, impossible to choose between.


Title: Match 55:Sartana versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Banjo on April 03, 2006, 03:20:03 AM
Sartana


Title: Match 56:Sabata versus Keoma
Post by: Banjo on April 03, 2006, 03:24:19 AM
Sabata


Title: Match 57:Bullet For The General versus Great Silence
Post by: Banjo on April 03, 2006, 03:25:55 AM
Great Silence


Title: Re: Match 57:Bullet For The General versus Great Silence
Post by: cigar joe on April 03, 2006, 07:07:54 AM
TGS


Title: Re: Match 56:Sabata versus Keoma
Post by: cigar joe on April 03, 2006, 07:08:32 AM
Keoma


Title: Re: Match 56:Sabata versus Keoma
Post by: The Firecracker on April 03, 2006, 12:35:48 PM
Keoma.


Title: Re: Match 57:Bullet For The General versus Great Silence
Post by: The Firecracker on April 03, 2006, 12:36:17 PM
TGS

the same.
no contest really.


Title: Re: Match 55:Sartana versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 03, 2006, 12:37:20 PM

I must say I have been really enjoying Sartana as of late, but I am going with

"Death rides a horse"


Title: Re: Match 57:Bullet For The General versus Great Silence
Post by: spag fan on April 03, 2006, 04:16:08 PM
Easy, Bullet.


Title: Re: Match 57:Bullet For The General versus Great Silence
Post by: The Firecracker on April 03, 2006, 04:30:06 PM
Easy, Bullet.

interesting. why is that?
just curious is all.


Title: Re: Match 57:Bullet For The General versus Great Silence
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 03, 2006, 04:31:56 PM
The Great Silence is 10 times better than BFTG!!! GS is a masterpiece while BFTG, although a fantastic film, is NOT on the same level.


Title: Re: Match 57:Bullet For The General versus Great Silence
Post by: The Firecracker on April 03, 2006, 04:34:13 PM
The Great Silence is 10 times better than BFTG!!! GS is a masterpiece while BFTG, although a fantastic film, is NOT on the same level.

well I wouldnt call "Silence" a masterpiece. If you think about it, it is a rather simple story and the camera work isnt amazing.
A masterpiece of the genre it is. But a masterwork of filmmaking?.....not so sure.


Title: Re: Match 57:Bullet For The General versus Great Silence
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 03, 2006, 04:36:12 PM
That's what I meant. GS is not a masterpiece in film-making but it is a masterpiece of the genre.


Title: Re: Match 55:Sartana versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: cigar joe on April 03, 2006, 05:18:13 PM
DRAH


Title: Re: Match 55:Sartana versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Banjo on April 03, 2006, 05:53:46 PM
I must say I have been really enjoying Sartana as of late, but I am going with

"Death rides a horse"
Well thats brilliant to hear-look forward to completing the reconstruction-it would be good if other people could participate-Marco Leone if you're out there!


Title: Re: Match 56:Sabata versus Keoma
Post by: Banjo on April 03, 2006, 05:57:06 PM
I thought eveybody hated Keoma because of the music(i like it!!!)?


Title: Re: Match 50:Django Kill versus Great Silence
Post by: Banjo on April 03, 2006, 05:58:36 PM
Well i dunno,these Leone purists!!!


Title: Re: Match 56:Sabata versus Keoma
Post by: The Firecracker on April 03, 2006, 06:00:05 PM
what you talkin bout?


I love Keoma's soundtrack!!!!


Title: Re: Match 56:Sabata versus Keoma
Post by: Banjo on April 03, 2006, 06:09:09 PM
Did you know it got defeated by Four Of The Apocalypse in a recent poll?
Yes i love that melancholy folky score for both Keoma and Mannaja!


Title: Re: Match 56:Sabata versus Keoma
Post by: The Firecracker on April 03, 2006, 06:11:36 PM
As much as I like Four of the apocalypse and its folk-like music, I must say Keoma is far better film.
who are thses cretons that favored Apocalypse over Keoma!!!!!!!!! ;D :) ;)

was I apart of that poll?
I dont remember it.


Title: Re: Match 57:Bullet For The General versus Great Silence
Post by: Tim on April 03, 2006, 08:21:11 PM
  The Great Silence.


Title: Re: Match 57:Bullet For The General versus Great Silence
Post by: Arizona Colt on April 04, 2006, 01:37:27 AM
The GREAT SILENCE most definitely. Although BULLET and SILENCE are classics deserving of the same attention Leones' films constantly receive, SILENCE is so fresh and in some instances very original. It doesn't preach any political messages or try to have any hidden meanings within the film. It shows what life is really like-then as well as now. Good seldom wins out over evil. I don't recall ANY film where EVERY good character including the main good guy is slaughtered at the close of the film not to mention showing the villain stealing the dead heroes' gun! The gothic atmosphere and the snowbound setting are very unusual as well as the high level of bloody violence which I don't think was as prominant in any other western before this. Also the brief nudity was unusual as I don't remember any sex scenes in any italian westerns(at least none that I've seen)before or after THE GREAT SILENCE. Corbucci deserves much respect not only for being so daring in his film work but also for being the first spaghetti director to use his real name and not a psuedonym in the credits of one of his films.


Title: Re: Match 50:Django Kill versus Great Silence
Post by: Arizona Colt on April 04, 2006, 01:42:07 AM
Both are quirky and take chances but Corbucci really loved doing these movies and Guilio Questi did not. I've seen DJANGO KILL! one time but THE GREAT SILENCE is worth at least 10 viewings so TGS has my vote.


Title: Re: Match 56:Sabata versus Keoma
Post by: Arizona Colt on April 04, 2006, 01:49:21 AM
A difficult choice here. I REALLY wanted to vote for SABATA as it's quite a fun film but I had to consider that Castellari this time out was very creative in his filmmaking style with KEOMA. Creative in a way I'd never seen in his work before regardless of genre. I enjoy SABATA more on an entertainment level but KEOMA has substance and is down right cerebral at times so I had to go with KEOMA.


Title: Re: Match 55:Sartana versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Arizona Colt on April 04, 2006, 02:01:05 AM
Another difficult choice. DRAH sets up its story rather quickly and efficiently and boasts well constructed action scenes and a cool rapport between the two main leads. SARTANA opens with about a hundred people being mowed down with guns but never seems to make much sense although I'm sure the story is really just about Sartana trying to secure the gold for himself while at the same time trying to play everyone against each other to wipe out any opposition. Although I sincerely enjoy Garko's magician gunslinger(especially in the sequels), DRAH has my vote.


Title: Match 58:Navajo Joe versus Price Of Power
Post by: Banjo on April 04, 2006, 05:47:44 AM
POP - its very compelling!


Title: Match 59:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Face To Face
Post by: Banjo on April 04, 2006, 05:52:31 AM
Face To Face!


Title: Match 60:Django versus Big Gundown
Post by: Banjo on April 04, 2006, 05:56:28 AM
Big Gundown.
I think from tommorow i'll be able to produce the first league table as by then the results will be in for every sw having "played" 2 matches each.
Every poll runs for a fortnight in case i didn't say!


Title: Re: Match 60:Django versus Big Gundown
Post by: cigar joe on April 04, 2006, 06:02:25 AM
The Big Gindown LVC & TM.


Title: Re: Match 59:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Face To Face
Post by: cigar joe on April 04, 2006, 06:03:58 AM
CWC a simple stylistically dark gem,.


Title: Re: Match 58:Navajo Joe versus Price Of Power
Post by: cigar joe on April 04, 2006, 06:05:09 AM
 :P, lol,  PoP of the two though


Title: Re: Match 57:Bullet For The General versus Great Silence
Post by: cigar joe on April 04, 2006, 06:09:41 AM
I like Bullet very much, the only way it would have an edge over TGS is if Milian, or, say Nero had played the Lou Castell part.


Title: Re: Match 59:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Face To Face
Post by: Banjo on April 04, 2006, 09:58:07 AM
CJ are you getting back handers from Firecracker?


Title: Re: Match 57:Bullet For The General versus Great Silence
Post by: spag fan on April 04, 2006, 10:52:45 AM
interesting. why is that?
just curious is all.

I find BFTG to be a fun, fierce, and tricky roller coaster ride of a movie. As for TGS, I find it to be dull, drab, and highly over rated. The snow's pretty, for sure, but I'd rather rewatch BFTG anyday.


Title: Re: Match 60:Django versus Big Gundown
Post by: Arizona Colt on April 04, 2006, 12:45:56 PM
The first black clad (anti)hero has my vote. DJANGO has a lot going for it. An interesting and mysterious "good guy", the gothic atmosphere, the coffin gimmick, a great soundtrack from Luis Bacalov and several startling scenes of violence. The italian version is preferred as it reveals more about the characters than the atrocious english dubbed version. The final scene plays much better, dialog wise, in the italian version. Nothing against BIG GUNDOWN however. It's got LVC in probably his best and most complex role, but it is a political western that has much to say besides the standard good guy versus bad guy schtick so it's deserving of its status as one of the greats but I'd rewatch DJANGO over BG any day strictly for entertainment value alone.


Title: Re: Match 60:Django versus Big Gundown
Post by: The Firecracker on April 04, 2006, 04:26:30 PM
The first black clad (anti)hero has my vote. DJANGO has a lot going for it. An interesting and mysterious "good guy", the gothic atmosphere, the coffin gimmick, a great soundtrack from Luis Bacalov and several startling scenes of violence. The italian version is preferred as it reveals more about the characters than the atrocious english dubbed version. The final scene plays much better, dialog wise, in the italian version. Nothing against BIG GUNDOWN however. It's got LVC in probably his best and most complex role, but it is a political western that has much to say besides the standard good guy versus bad guy schtick so it's deserving of its status as one of the greats but I'd rewatch DJANGO over BG any day strictly for entertainment value alone.

well he is Blue clad. not black. But I agree with you. Django gets my vote.


Title: Re: Match 59:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Face To Face
Post by: The Firecracker on April 04, 2006, 04:27:54 PM
CJ are you getting back handers from Firecracker?

LOL!!!!


sorry cant vote here. Havent seen Face to Face.


Title: Re: Match 58:Navajo Joe versus Price Of Power
Post by: The Firecracker on April 04, 2006, 04:28:26 PM
I hop on POP.


Title: Re: Match 60:Django versus Big Gundown
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 04, 2006, 04:33:20 PM
TBG


Title: Re: Match 57:Bullet For The General versus Great Silence
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 04, 2006, 04:38:23 PM
TGS


Title: Re: Match 56:Sabata versus Keoma
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 04, 2006, 04:40:51 PM
Keoma, I don't like Sabata one bit  ;D


Title: Re: Match 60:Django versus Big Gundown
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 04, 2006, 04:41:43 PM
Well it was a tough one I do like Django a lot...


Title: Re: Match 59:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Face To Face
Post by: cigar joe on April 04, 2006, 05:20:10 PM
Quote
CJ are you getting back handers from Firecracker?


no, lol


Title: Re: Favourite Spaghetti Western League Table
Post by: Banjo on April 05, 2006, 06:16:34 AM
NO POLLS TODAY i'm afraid-the results are now in for upto Match 21 which at this point every sw  title's played twice.I'm now compiling the results and will draw up the first league table shortly!


Title: Re: Favourite Spaghetti Western League Table
Post by: Banjo on April 05, 2006, 08:03:25 AM
                           played    won     drawn     votes   pts     
Big Gundown            2         2            0           14       4
Run Man Run            2         2             0           12      4
Great Silence            2         2            0           12       4
Django                      2         2            0           10       4
Mercenary                 2         2            0           10       4
Sabata                      2         2            0            9        4
Cemetery                  2         1            1            6        3
Hellbenders               2         1            1            6       3
Nobody                     2         1            0          14        2
Companeros             2         1            0          10        2
Death R'ds a Horse   2         1            0          10        2
Keoma                       2         1            0          10        2
Trinity                        2         1            0            5        2
Django Kill                  2         0            1           4        1
Return Of Ringo         2          0            1           4        1
Face To Face              2          0            0           8        0
Bullet FT General        2          0            0           3        0
Navajo Joe                 2          0            0           3        0
Price Of Power            2          0            0          3        0
Sartana                      2           0           0           3        0
Day Of Anger              2           0           0            1       0

Results up to Match 21:Big Gundown 9 Day of Anger 1,Big Gundown 5 Death Rides a Horse 3,Death Rides A Horse 7 Day Of Anger 0,Great Silence 6 Nobody 5,Nobody 9 Face To Face 3,Mercenary 4 Bullet 0,Companeros 8 Bullet 0,Mercenary 6 Companeros 2,Django 5 Nav Joe 1,Django 5 Keoma 4,Keoma 6 Nav Joe 2,Hellbenders 4 POP 2,Cemetery 2 Hellbenders 2,Cemetery 4 POP 1,Sabata 5 Sartana 2,Sabata 4 Trinity 2,Trinity 3 Sartana 1,Run Man Run 4 Ringo2,Run Man Run 8 Django Kill 2,Ringo 2 Django Kill 2.

Next league table after match 42's results arrive!


Title: Re: Favourite Spaghetti Western League Table
Post by: The Firecracker on April 05, 2006, 10:00:59 AM
                           played    won     drawn     votes   pts     
Big Gundown            2         2            0           14       4
Run Man Run            2         2             0           12      4
Great Silence            2         2            0           12       4
Django                      2         2            0           10       4
Mercenary                 2         2            0           10       4
Sabata                      2         2            0            9        4
Cemetery                  2         1            1            6        3
Hellbenders               2         1            1            6       3
Nobody                     2         1            0          14        2
Companeros             2         1            0          10        2
Death R'ds a Horse   2         1            0          10        2
Keoma                       2         1            0          10        2
Trinity                        2         1            0            5        2
Django Kill                  2         0            1           4        1
Return Of Ringo         2          0            1           4        1
Face To Face              2          0            0           8        0
Bullet FT General        2          0            0           3        0
Navajo Joe                 2          0            0           3        0
Price Of Power            2          0            0          3        0
Sartana                      2           0           0           3        0
Day Of Anger              2           0           0            1       0

Results up to Match 21:Big Gundown 9 Day of Anger 1,Big Gundown 5 Death Rides a Horse 3,Death Rides A Horse 7 Day Of Anger 0,Great Silence 6 Nobody 5,Nobody 9 Face To Face 3,Mercenary 4 Bullet 0,Companeros 8 Bullet 0,Mercenary 6 Companeros 2,Django 5 Nav Joe 1,Django 5 Keoma 4,Keoma 6 Nav Joe 2,Hellbenders 4 POP 2,Cemetery 2 Hellbenders 2,Cemetery 4 POP 1,Sabata 5 Sartana 2,Sabata 4 Trinity 2,Trinity 3 Sartana 1,Run Man Run 4 Ringo2,Run Man Run 8 Django Kill 2,Ringo 2 Django Kill 2.

Next league table after match 42's results arrive!

"Django kill" beat all those other good ones below it!!!? :o

how? it was losing miserably.


Title: Re: SW League table:1st lot of results are in!!!
Post by: Banjo on April 05, 2006, 11:14:23 AM
One point for a draw with Return of Ringo-this maybe the only point it gets!


Title: Match 61:Trinity versus Day Of Anger
Post by: Banjo on April 06, 2006, 07:18:24 AM
C'mon it has to be Trinity.Its the best comedy sw and DOA is a pale imitation of Leone!


Title: Match 62:My Name Is Nobody versus Django Kill
Post by: Banjo on April 06, 2006, 07:20:04 AM
Another 2 points for Nobody?


Title: Match 63:Run Man Run versus The Mercenary
Post by: Banjo on April 06, 2006, 07:22:34 AM
As Milians "sidekick" Donal O'Brien is no match for Nero so it has to be The Mercenary!


Title: Re: Match 62:My Name Is Nobody versus Django Kill
Post by: The Firecracker on April 06, 2006, 09:56:11 AM
Another 2 points for Nobody?

yep


Title: Re: Match 61:Trinity versus Day Of Anger
Post by: The Firecracker on April 06, 2006, 09:56:52 AM
C'mon it has to be Trinity.Its the best comedy sw and DOA is a pale imitation of Leone!

trinity.


Title: Re: Match 63:Run Man Run versus The Mercenary
Post by: cigar joe on April 06, 2006, 06:12:58 PM
The Mercenary


Title: Re: Match 63:Run Man Run versus The Mercenary
Post by: Tim on April 06, 2006, 09:34:01 PM
  The Mercenary. 

  Another Corbucci movie I'd like to see get a quality region 1 widescreen dvd as opposed to the cheapo pan-n-scan version I have now.  I remember watching this a couple years ago on TCM during their Spaghetti Saturdays and being blown away watching it in widescreen after only seeing it in pan-n-scan.


Title: Re: Match 62:My Name Is Nobody versus Django Kill
Post by: Tim on April 06, 2006, 09:35:57 PM
  My Name is Nobody, not even close.


Title: Re: Match 62:My Name Is Nobody versus Django Kill
Post by: The Firecracker on April 06, 2006, 10:58:35 PM
  My Name is Nobody, not even close.
Thats an understatement.


Title: Re: Match 63:Run Man Run versus The Mercenary
Post by: The Firecracker on April 06, 2006, 11:00:05 PM
and the "proffessional gun" version of mercenary is cut to ribbons as well.


Title: Match 64:Return Of Ringo versus Companeros
Post by: Banjo on April 07, 2006, 04:55:37 PM
Companeros!


Title: Re: Match 64:Return Of Ringo versus Companeros
Post by: cigar joe on April 07, 2006, 04:57:04 PM
not even close, Companero's


Title: Re: Match 64:Return Of Ringo versus Companeros
Post by: The Firecracker on April 07, 2006, 04:57:13 PM
Companeros!

the same.


Title: Match 65:Django versus Bullet For The General
Post by: Banjo on April 07, 2006, 04:58:13 PM
Although both being influential sw's,i think Django is the more enjoyable movie.


Title: Match 66:Sartana versus The Great Silence
Post by: Banjo on April 07, 2006, 05:00:11 PM
I wish more people had seen Sartana as i think its up there with the ikes of Django.


Title: Re: Match 66:Sartana versus The Great Silence
Post by: The Firecracker on April 07, 2006, 05:04:39 PM
I wish more people had seen Sartana as i think its up there with the ikes of Django.

now this I dont agree with.


Title: Re: Match 65:Django versus Bullet For The General
Post by: The Firecracker on April 07, 2006, 05:04:58 PM
Although both being influential sw's,i think Django is the more enjoyable movie.

indeed.


Title: Re: Match 65:Django versus Bullet For The General
Post by: cigar joe on April 07, 2006, 05:37:40 PM
Not for me, BFTG


Title: Re: Match 66:Sartana versus The Great Silence
Post by: cigar joe on April 07, 2006, 05:38:18 PM
TGS


Title: Re: Match 59:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Face To Face
Post by: Banjo on April 07, 2006, 06:01:08 PM
CWC? Too bleak for Leone Lovers,surely?
Even in DYS the sad moments were lightened up by things like a pigeon shitting on Juans head!


Title: Re: Match 59:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Face To Face
Post by: The Firecracker on April 07, 2006, 06:16:55 PM
CWC? Too bleak for Leone Lovers,surely?
Even in DYS the sad moments were lightened up by things like a pigeon shitting on Juans head!

actually bleakness aside CWC is the most leone esq of all spags I have seen. It is even dedicated to him at the end!


Title: Re: Match 65:Django versus Bullet For The General
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 07, 2006, 06:19:35 PM
BFTG is much better to me. Not only is it more enjoyable but even the direction is much better. Django is a good movie but it's very poor quality by a director who certainly could do better. Plus I felt that the part of the movie between the massacre of Jackson's men and when Django gets his hands crushed is very slow and gets boring, but only to be picked right back up for the end. In conclusion, BFTG for me.


Title: Re: Match 59:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Face To Face
Post by: Banjo on April 07, 2006, 06:20:39 PM
I'm not sure visually-i need another look- and it can't really be Leone-esque without the Morricone score!


Title: Re: Match 59:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Face To Face
Post by: The Firecracker on April 07, 2006, 06:21:46 PM
I'm not sure visually-i need another look- and it can't really be Leone-esque without the Morricone score!

ok, besides the bleakness and the non-Morricone score...it is the closest anybody ever gets to leone in the sw world.


Title: Re: Match 59:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Face To Face
Post by: Banjo on April 07, 2006, 06:23:52 PM
Thats a big statement-what about Death Rides A Horse?


Title: Re: Match 65:Django versus Bullet For The General
Post by: The Firecracker on April 07, 2006, 06:24:21 PM
Plus I felt that the part of the movie between the massacre of Jackson's men and when Django gets his hands crushed is very slow and gets boring, but only to be picked right back up for the end. In conclusion, BFTG for me.

but the ear cutting and the mexican base massacre AND that well edited fight in the saloon is in between the times you mentioned Peacemaker.

I admit when he is on the roof tops transporting his coffin to where the gold is hidden is a very over-long scene but otherwise that film is great.


Title: Re: Match 65:Django versus Bullet For The General
Post by: Banjo on April 07, 2006, 06:26:46 PM
BFTG is much better to me. Not only is it more enjoyable but even the direction is much better. Django is a good movie but it's very poor quality by a director who certainly could do better. Plus I felt that the part of the movie between the massacre of Jackson's men and when Django gets his hands crushed is very slow and gets boring, but only to be picked right back up for the end. In conclusion, BFTG for me.
Alot of BFTG drags for me especially the very slow scene at the beginning with the train hold up-all that monotonus banging of the drums etc.


Title: Re: Match 59:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Face To Face
Post by: The Firecracker on April 07, 2006, 06:29:15 PM
bold statement or not I stand by it.

until I get a pristine copy of "Death rides a horse" CWC remains the most leone esq type sw for me.


Title: Re: Match 65:Django versus Bullet For The General
Post by: cigar joe on April 07, 2006, 10:37:40 PM
What! The train hold up in the deep cut is great, one of the best sequences of such in any film, come on, that officer crucified on the tracks is pure unadulterated Spaghetti, and El Chuncho's entrance is also pretty good. There is also that classic Volonte stare in the sequence when the post commander is plucking out the hairs of his moustache, you know he's just going to explode, lol


Title: Re: Match 65:Django versus Bullet For The General
Post by: The Firecracker on April 07, 2006, 10:39:29 PM
What! The train hold up in the deep cut is great, one of the best sequences of such in any film, come on, that officer crucified on the tracks is pure unadulterated Spaghetti, and El Chuncho's entrance is also pretty good.

I have to agree with the opening train sequence in the film that is one of the best scenes in a spaghetti western.
in fact the whole beginning would have been perfect if only that annoying narration in the beginning werent there.


Title: Re: Match 65:Django versus Bullet For The General
Post by: cigar joe on April 07, 2006, 10:40:22 PM
What narration?


Title: Re: Match 65:Django versus Bullet For The General
Post by: The Firecracker on April 07, 2006, 10:42:05 PM
What narration?

in the very beginning after the peons are shot by the firing squad.


Title: Match 67:Sabata versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on April 08, 2006, 03:35:58 AM
Sabata-more consistent in tone and style throughout!
Nobodys great but a messy classic!


Title: Match 68:Navajo Joe versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Banjo on April 08, 2006, 03:37:49 AM
DRAH-one of LVC's finest!


Title: Match 69:Keoma versus Face To Face
Post by: Banjo on April 08, 2006, 03:39:44 AM
Face To Face-should definately be in top 6!


Title: Re: Match 65:Django versus Bullet For The General
Post by: Banjo on April 08, 2006, 04:08:05 AM
Lou Castel put in a reasonable performance but i still feel it was a huge error in miscasting-for such a huge part they shudda used someone with a bit of charisma rather than a baby-faced nerd!


Title: Re: Match 65:Django versus Bullet For The General
Post by: Banjo on April 08, 2006, 04:20:17 AM
I felt that the part of the movie between the massacre of Jackson's men and when Django gets his hands crushed is very slow and gets boring, but only to be picked right back up for the end.
I think that sequence is very well handled-you know with an Eastwood film that Clint is going to blow eveyone away in the finale but when i first saw this i just couldn't see how Django was going to get out of this alive and the way he just perches the slightly disassembled pistol on the gravestone etc is brilliant!!
     I think the "nursing" sequence in BFTG when Castel has the fever is boring.This film is talky but nowhere near as gripping or interesting as Face To Face.It was a good thing Corbucci managed to vastly improve the BFTG formula with the injection of more inspirational actors(i know -Volontes class too!),better action sequences and huge doses of much needed humour.Django,Companeros and Mercenary are all overspilling with that certain SW "coolness" which is almost totally absent from BFTG!


Title: Re: Match 59:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Face To Face
Post by: Banjo on April 08, 2006, 05:29:38 AM
It is even dedicated to him at the end!
Doesn't Jonathon of the Bears have a dedication to Sergio Corbucci and this is very undeniably a Castellari movie!
CWC just lacks the hallmarks of a Leone sw including all the camera angle stuff.Surely it should include some of the the well known staple Leone actors like Volonte,Brega,Pistilli,Sambrell etc.Leones films and characters are all extremely cool,the same cannot be said for CWC.The only cool thing about it is the score(non-Morricone!).
   i think possibly Sollimas movies,Day Of Anger,Nobody and DRAH could easily be mistaken as Leone by the uninitiated but not CWC!


Title: Re: Match 59:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Face To Face
Post by: cigar joe on April 08, 2006, 10:03:18 AM
Quote
CWC just lacks the hallmarks of a Leone sw including all the camera angle stuff.Surely it should include some of the the well known staple Leone actors like Volonte,Brega,Pistilli,Sambrell etc.Leones films and characters are all extremely cool,the same cannot be said for CWC.The only cool thing about it is the score(non-Morricone!).

I think your barking up the wrong tree, Hossien didn't homage Leone with the camera angles or by using Morricone. He did use Stefanelli, however, and did a pretty good job on the attention to details during the filming of the chase sequence at the beginning and the set of the ghost town.

Actually, after just getting through watching Yellow Sky all the way through, Hossein quoted a lot from it in the similar way Leone quoted from American Westerns, in fact you could even say Leone too quoted from this film  in GBU.

The first twenty minutes of Yellow Sky are very SW looking,  Peck, Widmark, Russel, Morgan, Kemper, and Arthur are all very dirty, and scruffeled looking, they ride into a town and rob the bank, a chase ensues, it is filmed just like Hossien's chase at the beginning of CWC, a lot of pounding hooves and shots of the riders, they reach a salt flat/sink where they decide to cross the sink, its "70" miles across. There are desert crossing shots that look fantastic, the horses are breaking through the bright white salt pan and its reminisent of the horse chase in the deep snow Run Man Run, even a sequence where they are in dunes.

They are about to collapse from lack of water (they look like Blondie during his desert ordeal) when they spot a town on an alluvial fan at the base of a mountain. When they get there they find it is a ghost town called Yellow Sky, looks like "ghost town" in CWC, Leone used a ghost town to introduce Tuco. Another similar sequence to Tuco's intro is the sequence where the three bounty hunters enter the saloon and Tuco jumps through the window, there is a sequence at the end of YS that is shot similar. Some action takes place in a saloon gambling hall like CWC, old dusty gamming devices litter the place, and the love interest a shapely Anne Baxter, looks like Joanna Rogers at the end of CWC.

Possibly Hossein was homaging Leone by using his methods of quoting American films and putting a French Noir twist on them.


Title: Re: Match 65:Django versus Bullet For The General
Post by: cigar joe on April 08, 2006, 10:45:03 AM
Damiani's attention to detail is far better than Corbucci in Django, we get a primer on machine guns we see them load a clip into the machine gun, and pour oil over it before they fire.

Nero cool as he is, is using a dopey fx prop machine gun that sparks and has a stationary belt that doesn't move, a bit cheesey.


Title: Re: Match 69:Keoma versus Face To Face
Post by: cigar joe on April 08, 2006, 10:47:40 AM
Keooooooomaaaa!  8)


Title: Re: Match 68:Navajo Joe versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: cigar joe on April 08, 2006, 10:48:32 AM
DRAH


Title: Re: Match 67:Sabata versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: cigar joe on April 08, 2006, 10:49:20 AM
MNIN


Title: Re: Match 67:Sabata versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on April 08, 2006, 11:06:17 AM
Nobody.


Title: Re: Match 68:Navajo Joe versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 08, 2006, 11:06:46 AM
DRAH
the same.


Title: Re: Match 69:Keoma versus Face To Face
Post by: The Firecracker on April 08, 2006, 11:07:49 AM
Keooooooomaaaa!  8)

I'll get back to you on this one when  the "Face to Face" dvd arrives in the mail next week.


Title: Re: Match 68:Navajo Joe versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Tim on April 08, 2006, 09:42:18 PM
  Death Rides a Horse.  That makes three.


Title: Re: Match 67:Sabata versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Tim on April 08, 2006, 09:43:06 PM
  My Name is Nobody, but it's close just cause Sabata is so much fun to watch.


Title: Re: Match 59:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Face To Face
Post by: Banjo on April 09, 2006, 02:47:03 AM
Theres some interesting points there CJ and i'm gonna have to check out Yellow Sky.Although both Leones and Hosseins movies may have been influenced by the same western for me this still doesn't make CWC a deadringer for the Dollars trilogy westerns etc which the sw's above i mentioned could be!


Title: Re: Match 59:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Face To Face
Post by: The Firecracker on April 09, 2006, 02:48:35 AM
this still doesn't make CWC a deadringer for the Dollars trilogy westerns etc which the sw's above i mentioned could be!

actually I was thinking CWC resembles "Once Upon A time in The West" more than it does the dollars trilogy.


Title: Re: Match 59:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Face To Face
Post by: Banjo on April 09, 2006, 02:51:39 AM
actually I was thinking CWC resembles "Once Upon A time in The West" more than it does the dollars trilogy.
In places visually yes and the look of the deserted town-very red looking!-does bring OUATITW into mind more than the earlier movies.


Title: Re: Match 59:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Face To Face
Post by: The Firecracker on April 09, 2006, 02:59:09 AM
In places visually yes and the look of the deserted town-very red looking!-does bring OUATITW into mind more than the earlier movies.

that and there is virtually no dialogue in CWC.


Title: Re: Match 65:Django versus Bullet For The General
Post by: Banjo on April 09, 2006, 03:00:16 AM
Damiani's attention to detail is far better than Corbucci in Django
I think every single tiny detail was the least of Corbuccis priorities-he think he was more concerned with style and breaking new ground- but no one can dispute he did a tremendous job with the apocalyptic vision of the movie especially with the muddy quagmire of a town.


Title: Re: Match 59:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Face To Face
Post by: Banjo on April 09, 2006, 03:06:32 AM
But the storyline and the whole tone of OUATITW is totally different-a goodbye homage to the wild west and men like Harmonica,Frank and Cheyenne-the dying breed!


Title: Match 70:Hellbenders versus The Mercenary
Post by: Banjo on April 09, 2006, 03:07:45 AM
The Mercenary.


Title: Re: Match 59:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Face To Face
Post by: The Firecracker on April 09, 2006, 03:08:03 AM
But the storyline and the whole tone of OUATITW is totally different-a goodbye homage to the wild west and men like Harmonica,Frank and Cheyenne-the dying breed!

yes but the style to CWC is very much the same.
of course less masterful.


Title: Match 71:Big Gundown versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: Banjo on April 09, 2006, 03:11:52 AM
BG's gonna walk this anyway-so i say my fave spag comedy-Trinity!


Title: Match 72:Companeros versus Price Of Power
Post by: Banjo on April 09, 2006, 03:13:41 AM
Companeros.


Title: Re: Match 72:Companeros versus Price Of Power
Post by: The Firecracker on April 09, 2006, 03:16:05 AM
Companeros!


Title: Re: Match 71:Big Gundown versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: The Firecracker on April 09, 2006, 03:17:14 AM
 I havent taken my medication so...
I'll give it to Trinity. ;D


Title: Re: Match 59:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Face To Face
Post by: Banjo on April 09, 2006, 03:18:08 AM
Thinking about the whole thing with the "love story" type musical theme-you know all those soppy strings-together with the extremely bleak feel makes CWC ALOT closer to Corbuccis Great Silence in tone and style than Leone especially the ending,don't you think?


Title: Re: Match 59:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Face To Face
Post by: The Firecracker on April 09, 2006, 03:19:05 AM
Thinking about the whole thing with the "love story" type musical theme-you know all those soppy strings-together with the extremely bleak feel makes CWC ALOT closer to Corbuccis Great Silence in tone and style than Leone especially the ending,don't you think?
I agree with this.
but it is still very Leone in style. More so than Corbucci's Great Silence.


Title: Re: Match 69:Keoma versus Face To Face
Post by: Banjo on April 09, 2006, 03:21:22 AM
Keooooooomaaaa!  8)
Interesting CJ-on Alex Cox's intro to Keoma on British tv the other day he saw Keoma as an inferior retread of Django-and there are big parellels in the look,feel and storyline!


Title: Re: Match 69:Keoma versus Face To Face
Post by: The Firecracker on April 09, 2006, 03:23:27 AM
Interesting CJ-on Alex Cox's intro to Keoma on British tv the other day he saw Keoma as an inferior retread of Django-and there are big parellels in the look,feel and storyline!
Cox must be mistaken. Keoma is very different from Django. I dont think you can compare the two.


Title: Re: Match 59:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Face To Face
Post by: Banjo on April 09, 2006, 03:24:36 AM
Well it doesn't have any of Corbuccis trademark OTT bizzare stuff but i'll stick with my Great Silence comparison.


Title: Re: Match 59:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Face To Face
Post by: The Firecracker on April 09, 2006, 03:27:24 AM
like Corbucci it is pretty brutal though.
Like when one of the brothers is dragged out of town. you cannot help but think long after that scene has passed that his corpse is lying somewhere in the middle of the desert rotting.


Title: Re: Match 59:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Face To Face
Post by: Banjo on April 09, 2006, 04:05:13 AM
Great Silence also shares the almost complete lack of humour with CWC-though Frank Wolf does provide a little bit of light relief i suppose,Kinskis so horribly good it  brings a smile to my face.
Normally after watching say a Dollars movie you get off the chair with an eletated feel good sort of mood as opposed to the melancholy feeling after watching Silence or CWC!


Title: Re: Match 69:Keoma versus Face To Face
Post by: Banjo on April 09, 2006, 04:19:09 AM
I'll have another look at what he says but what immediately comes to mind is that like Django,Keoma at the start of the film returns back from war or whatever and rescues a woman in distress,takes her into the town(again a huge mud bath) of utter chaos and takes on the forces that are the cause of all this!
The music is miles apart but the look,feel of the movie and Keomas personality do bear very strong similarities to Django!


Title: Re: Match 69:Keoma versus Face To Face
Post by: The Firecracker on April 09, 2006, 04:20:26 AM
ah yes. He even asks for a room key for the woman. Totally forgot about that.


Title: Re: Match 71:Big Gundown versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: Banjo on April 09, 2006, 04:28:48 AM
Is there a big upset on the cards here? ::)


Title: Re: Match 71:Big Gundown versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: The Firecracker on April 09, 2006, 04:30:19 AM
Is there a big upset on the cards here? ::)

ha. no. I just tend to think "Big Gundown" is a much too over rated. Trinity deserved my vote.


Title: Re: Match 71:Big Gundown versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: cigar joe on April 09, 2006, 08:06:51 AM
TBG


Title: Re: Match 72:Companeros versus Price Of Power
Post by: cigar joe on April 09, 2006, 08:10:58 AM
Vamos A Matar Companeros


Title: Re: Match 70:Hellbenders versus The Mercenary
Post by: cigar joe on April 09, 2006, 08:11:31 AM
The Mercenary


Title: Re: Match 65:Django versus Bullet For The General
Post by: cigar joe on April 09, 2006, 08:15:39 AM
I'll definitely give him credit (actually it probably should be shared with Simi) for the look ot the town. Its the story lines that are a little sloppy and that's the bros. Corbucci.


Title: Re: Match 70:Hellbenders versus The Mercenary
Post by: The Firecracker on April 09, 2006, 12:16:24 PM
Mercenary


Title: Match 73:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Banjo on April 10, 2006, 03:09:38 AM
Navajo Joe - more spaghettiesque and innovative.Morricones good too!


Title: Match 74:Run Man Run versus Day Of Anger
Post by: Banjo on April 10, 2006, 03:11:18 AM
Run Man Run


Title: Re: Match 73:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Navajo Joe
Post by: The Firecracker on April 10, 2006, 03:11:23 AM
whats the vendetta against CWC banjo? ;D


Title: Re: Match 74:Run Man Run versus Day Of Anger
Post by: The Firecracker on April 10, 2006, 03:11:44 AM
 >:( Day of Anger >:(


Title: Match 75:Django Kill versus Sartana
Post by: Banjo on April 10, 2006, 03:13:11 AM
Sartana


Title: Re: Match 75:Django Kill versus Sartana
Post by: The Firecracker on April 10, 2006, 03:14:31 AM
no contest here...

Sartana!


Title: Re: Match 71:Big Gundown versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: Banjo on April 10, 2006, 03:29:12 AM
ha. no. I just tend to think "Big Gundown" is a much too over rated. Trinity deserved my vote.
I hope this tactical voting doesn't let in Great Silence through the back door :-\


Title: Re: Match 71:Big Gundown versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: The Firecracker on April 10, 2006, 03:30:23 AM
I hope this tactical voting doesn't let in Great Silence through the back door :-\
oh no. I love Silence. I saw it way before I realized how over hyped it was by fans...so now I am hooked. over hyped or not.


Title: Re: Match 74:Run Man Run versus Day Of Anger
Post by: cigar joe on April 10, 2006, 06:45:36 AM
rmr


Title: Re: Match 73:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Banjo on April 10, 2006, 08:03:37 AM
I know it looks a bit like that but its not :'(
Most of the 21 films in the league i admire for different reasons.Apart from Corbucci i'm not such a big fan of the bleaker stuff- l prefer cool feel good shoot em ups.CWC is a decent movie and its better than Django Kill ;)


Title: Re: Match 71:Big Gundown versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: Banjo on April 10, 2006, 08:12:56 AM
Its very easy to be dazzled by the beauty of the visuals and Morricones magical score isn't it?-and for me this is Kinski's best sw performance.I don't like the ending but i like the alternate cheesy happy ending even less ;D
By rights it should be in everyones top 10 but theres a good couple of dozen sw's i put on alot more often than Great Silence :o


Title: Re: Match 74:Run Man Run versus Day Of Anger
Post by: Banjo on April 10, 2006, 08:20:22 AM
>:( Day of Anger >:(
Firecracker,whats wrong with Sollimas films all of a sudden?,or are you just feeling sorry for Day of Anger as its been getting its arse kicked :'(


Title: Re: Match 74:Run Man Run versus Day Of Anger
Post by: The Firecracker on April 10, 2006, 12:29:45 PM
Firecracker,whats wrong with Sollimas films all of a sudden?,or are you just feeling sorry for Day of Anger as its been getting its arse kicked :'(

no I just dont see what is so great about "Run Man Run".
Granpa chum said it best in one of his posts. "run man run is just  4 or 5  excellent ideas that dont mesh with with the rest of the movies bad ideas". its true!
There were moments in the film where I was thinking that "this going to be amazing" then of course the movie goes a completly different pace and stops dead in its tracks, then it picks up again only to  slow down once more. It is inconsistant. And easily Sollima's worst western(though I have not seen Face to Face, but soon will).


Title: Re: Match 73:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Navajo Joe
Post by: The Firecracker on April 10, 2006, 12:34:06 PM
well I am kinda voting for the quality of the film more so than How entertaining it is. Navajo Joe is a delightful romp that you can watch over and over again but CWC is a way better movie!


Title: Re: Match 73:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Marco Leone on April 10, 2006, 03:09:33 PM
Cemetery, I think!


Title: Re: Match 73:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Navajo Joe
Post by: The Firecracker on April 10, 2006, 03:17:17 PM
Cemetery, I think!

cemetery, I know!


Title: Re: Match 73:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Banjo on April 10, 2006, 06:06:19 PM
Cemetery belongs in the cemetery :-*


Title: Re: Match 75:Django Kill versus Sartana
Post by: Banjo on April 10, 2006, 06:07:16 PM
Is the reconstruction thread now finito?


Title: Re: Match 75:Django Kill versus Sartana
Post by: The Firecracker on April 10, 2006, 06:09:37 PM
Is the reconstruction thread now finito?

I was wondering when you were going to ask that.
no it is not. I just havent found the time to rewatch Sartana yet. I will pick it up again when I do.


Title: Re: Match 73:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Navajo Joe
Post by: The Firecracker on April 10, 2006, 06:10:10 PM
Cemetery belongs in the cemetery :-*

I cant think of a better come back so...
 :P


Title: Re: Match 75:Django Kill versus Sartana
Post by: Banjo on April 10, 2006, 06:27:59 PM
I thought you might have left it as we sussed out the main point of confusion!


Title: Re: Match 74:Run Man Run versus Day Of Anger
Post by: Banjo on April 10, 2006, 06:29:08 PM
RMR by a marathon :P


Title: Re: Match 74:Run Man Run versus Day Of Anger
Post by: The Firecracker on April 10, 2006, 06:33:25 PM
RMR by a marathon :P

good one.

but perhaps your mind will change when you see the uncut wild east version coming your way.


Title: Re: Match 75:Django Kill versus Sartana
Post by: The Firecracker on April 10, 2006, 06:33:56 PM
I thought you might have left it as we sussed out the main point of confusion!

I know things were just about to get interesting.


Title: Re: Match 75:Django Kill versus Sartana
Post by: Banjo on April 10, 2006, 06:37:02 PM
I'm waiting in slight trepidation for Leone Admirers review-he hates Sabata afterall :-[


Title: Re: Match 73:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Navajo Joe
Post by: cigar joe on April 10, 2006, 06:49:12 PM
CWC


Title: Re: Match 67:Sabata versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on April 10, 2006, 09:15:34 PM
  I hate Henry Fonda.  Always.

I can understand Peter Fonda. But Hank :o? I must know why!


Title: Re: Match 67:Sabata versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on April 10, 2006, 09:48:54 PM
IHe just comes off as kind of smug, like he KNOWS he's an "American Icon" whatever that means.  Plus he's boring.
I take it you dont like "Once Upon a Time in the West"


Title: Re: Match 67:Sabata versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on April 10, 2006, 10:07:45 PM
No.  I don't.
to slow I suppose?


Title: Match 76:The Mercenary versus Return of Ringo
Post by: Banjo on April 11, 2006, 04:08:06 AM
The mercenary!


Title: Re: Match 76:The Mercenary versus Return of Ringo
Post by: The Firecracker on April 11, 2006, 04:08:31 AM
The mercenary!

yep


Title: Match 77:Bullet For The General versus Sabata
Post by: Banjo on April 11, 2006, 04:12:00 AM
Sabata-cool thrills and spills throughout!


Title: Re: Match 77:Bullet For The General versus Sabata
Post by: The Firecracker on April 11, 2006, 04:13:56 AM
Bullet for the General

large amounts of killing, klaus kinski, gian maria volonte in one of his finest roles,one of the best endings to a spaghetti western ever! and did I mention klaus kinski?


Title: Match 78:My Name Is Nobody versus Django
Post by: Banjo on April 11, 2006, 04:19:49 AM
Valerii doing a passable Leone,and Leone doing a Barboni which falls well short of the mark-but all held together by Hill,Fonda and Morricone?
NO I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR DJANGO-original and groundbreaking which Nobody def is not!


Title: Re: Match 78:My Name Is Nobody versus Django
Post by: The Firecracker on April 11, 2006, 04:21:16 AM
Nobody is the better film but Django is near and dear to  my heart.

so I go with Django.


Title: Re: Match 71:Big Gundown versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: Banjo on April 11, 2006, 04:27:27 AM
AH!
The truths starting to spill out ;)
You've liked BG all along ;D


Title: Re: Match 66:Sartana versus The Great Silence
Post by: Banjo on April 11, 2006, 04:28:55 AM
Will you marry Derringdo :-*?
You'll have to lose the pipe and moustache though ;)


Title: Re: Match 66:Sartana versus The Great Silence
Post by: The Firecracker on April 11, 2006, 04:34:57 AM
Will you marry Derringdo :-*?
You'll have to lose the pipe and moustache though ;)

you would marry a featherless eagle? ;D

I thought I knew you better than that Banjo.


Title: Re: Match 66:Sartana versus The Great Silence
Post by: Banjo on April 11, 2006, 04:45:18 AM
I promise to take the plunge if it meant Sartana beating Silence in this poll :-\
That would really make my day BIG TIME!!!


Title: Re: Match 66:Sartana versus The Great Silence
Post by: Banjo on April 11, 2006, 04:46:48 AM
Damnit who just voted for Silence?
Some double agent from the SWWB >:(?


Title: Re: Match 66:Sartana versus The Great Silence
Post by: The Firecracker on April 11, 2006, 04:47:03 AM
I promise to take the plunge if it meant Sartana beating Silence in this poll :-\
That would really make my day BIG TIME!!!

good luck with that.


Title: Re: Match 66:Sartana versus The Great Silence
Post by: The Firecracker on April 11, 2006, 04:47:42 AM
Damnit who just voted for Silence?
Some double agent from the SWWB >:(?


no it wasnt those pesky knuckle heads at SWWB. it was Sundance.


Title: Re: Match 66:Sartana versus The Great Silence
Post by: Banjo on April 11, 2006, 04:49:03 AM
How dya know that :o?


Title: Re: Match 66:Sartana versus The Great Silence
Post by: The Firecracker on April 11, 2006, 04:49:38 AM
How dya know that :o?

he is the only one on other than you and I.


Title: Re: Match 66:Sartana versus The Great Silence
Post by: Banjo on April 11, 2006, 04:51:45 AM
Ban him from the game,i say!!! :(


Title: Re: Match 66:Sartana versus The Great Silence
Post by: Sundance on April 11, 2006, 05:00:13 AM
 ;D


Title: Re: Match 78:My Name Is Nobody versus Django
Post by: cigar joe on April 11, 2006, 05:53:19 AM
mnin


Title: Re: Match 77:Bullet For The General versus Sabata
Post by: cigar joe on April 11, 2006, 05:53:55 AM
ABFTG, gritty & more realistic


Title: Re: Match 76:The Mercenary versus Return of Ringo
Post by: cigar joe on April 11, 2006, 05:55:08 AM
m


Title: Re: Match 78:My Name Is Nobody versus Django
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 11, 2006, 06:31:12 AM
mnin here too


Title: Re: Match 77:Bullet For The General versus Sabata
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 11, 2006, 06:32:09 AM
ABFTG: Sabata yeuch  ;D


Title: Re: Match 67:Sabata versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 11, 2006, 06:37:11 AM
mnin


Title: Re: SW League table:1st lot of results are in!!!
Post by: Marco Leone on April 11, 2006, 02:56:31 PM
 ;D banjo this is a fantastic idea!  good on ya.


Title: Re: SW League table:1st lot of results are in!!!
Post by: Banjo on April 11, 2006, 03:13:40 PM
Cheers Marco-how many does your sw collection number now bro?


Title: Re: Match 67:Sabata versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on April 11, 2006, 04:25:13 PM
Sabata.  I hate Henry Fonda.  Always.
I'm really beggining to warm to his LVC lady! ;)


Title: Re: Match 77:Bullet For The General versus Sabata
Post by: Banjo on April 11, 2006, 04:30:17 PM
I'm getting quite concerned about your upcoming Sartana review! :-\


Title: Re: Match 66:Sartana versus The Great Silence
Post by: Banjo on April 11, 2006, 04:32:39 PM
EDIT:Ban him from the game i say ;D
Sorry Sundance,i've changed the icon in case it offends ;)


Title: Re: Match 77:Bullet For The General versus Sabata
Post by: The Firecracker on April 11, 2006, 04:37:29 PM
I'm getting quite concerned about your upcoming Sartana review! :-\

well they are different movies really. Sababta has that circus fill with gadgets. Sartana has a gothic almost horror movie like feel minus the gadgets. I am more concerned with him not understanding the plot.


Title: Re: Match 66:Sartana versus The Great Silence
Post by: Tim on April 11, 2006, 10:08:32 PM
  TGS.


Title: Re: Match 78:My Name Is Nobody versus Django
Post by: Tim on April 11, 2006, 10:13:56 PM
  MNIN for me.

  Like I've said in a couple other posts, Django is good, but Corbucci was still perfecting his art.  Good movie, but MNIN is on a different level, even though some of the humor doesn't work for me.


Title: Re: Match 75:Django Kill versus Sartana
Post by: Tim on April 11, 2006, 10:17:58 PM
  I didn't vote officially because I haven't seen Sartana, but I don't really like Django Kill, so if possible I'll vote for Sartana.

  Unofficially, of course.


Title: Match 79:Great Silence versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Banjo on April 12, 2006, 04:14:08 AM
DRAH


Title: Match 80:Face To Face versus Price Of Power
Post by: Banjo on April 12, 2006, 04:16:01 AM
Face To Face


Title: Match 81:Big Gundown versus Keoma
Post by: Banjo on April 12, 2006, 04:17:27 AM
BG


Title: Re: Match 81:Big Gundown versus Keoma
Post by: The Firecracker on April 12, 2006, 12:12:56 PM
Keoma


Title: Re: Match 80:Face To Face versus Price Of Power
Post by: The Firecracker on April 12, 2006, 12:14:31 PM
hopefully my copy of "Face to Face" will arrive today so I can scratch that itch I have been meaning to scratch for a long time.


Title: Re: Match 79:Great Silence versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 12, 2006, 12:15:01 PM
toughy.
I'll have to think.


Title: Re: SW League table:1st lot of results are in!!!
Post by: Marco Leone on April 12, 2006, 03:18:57 PM
Cheers Marco-how many does your sw collection number now bro?

I think its 117 including as of moments ago..... the legendary "Pistol Packin preacher".  Will it be as truly crap as it looked on the add????


Title: Re: SW League table:1st lot of results are in!!!
Post by: The Firecracker on April 12, 2006, 03:32:55 PM
I think its 117 including as of moments ago..... the legendary "Pistol Packin preacher".  Will it be as truly crap as it looked on the add????

yes  it probably will be. But I hear it is entertaining. it is mostly a con movie. with the preacher being a fake healer.


Title: Re: Match 79:Great Silence versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: cigar joe on April 12, 2006, 05:43:07 PM
DRAH just for the fact of having Lee Van Cleef


Title: Re: Match 80:Face To Face versus Price Of Power
Post by: cigar joe on April 12, 2006, 05:44:34 PM
I don't like Gemma all that much. so FTF


Title: Re: Match 81:Big Gundown versus Keoma
Post by: cigar joe on April 12, 2006, 05:45:24 PM
TBG for me,  ;D


Title: Re: Match 81:Big Gundown versus Keoma
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 12, 2006, 05:45:34 PM
TBG  ;D


Title: Re: Match 79:Great Silence versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 12, 2006, 05:46:07 PM
TGS is my fave non-Leone spaghetti so I'll vote for it


Title: Re: SW League table:1st lot of results are in!!!
Post by: Banjo on April 12, 2006, 05:58:53 PM
I think its 117 including as of moments ago..... the legendary "Pistol Packin preacher".  Will it be as truly crap as it looked on the add????
Beware,i'm gradually catching up with ya ;D


Title: Match 82:They Call Me Trinity versus Hellbenders
Post by: Banjo on April 13, 2006, 06:34:42 AM
Trinity boys for me!


Title: Re: Match 82:They Call Me Trinity versus Hellbenders
Post by: The Firecracker on April 13, 2006, 06:36:11 AM
Hellbenders

gripping, compelling.


Title: Match 83:Great Silence versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: Banjo on April 13, 2006, 06:37:47 AM
Silence!


Title: Re: Match 83:Great Silence versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: The Firecracker on April 13, 2006, 06:39:06 AM
Silence!

cemetery.


Title: Match 84:Run Man Run versus Companeros
Post by: Banjo on April 13, 2006, 06:40:45 AM
Very difficult but Milian is in slightly better company in Companeros,its a bit funnier and the 2 main themes are fantastic!


Title: Re: Match 84:Run Man Run versus Companeros
Post by: The Firecracker on April 13, 2006, 06:43:32 AM
easy.

Vamos a matar companeros!


Title: Re: Match 83:Great Silence versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: Banjo on April 13, 2006, 07:22:32 AM
How did i know you'd say CWC? :)


Title: Re: Match 83:Great Silence versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: The Firecracker on April 13, 2006, 07:23:47 AM
How did i know you'd say CWC? :)


its that damn telepathy! you must have picked it up from one of the many portals that opened up last night around 3:AM.



Title: Re: Match 82:They Call Me Trinity versus Hellbenders
Post by: Marco Leone on April 13, 2006, 08:14:39 AM
HB for me too!


Title: Re: Match 79:Great Silence versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 13, 2006, 11:55:39 AM
DRAH for me. TGS is an excellent film but it doesn't have that spaghetti-feel to it. DRAH is drenched in it!


Title: Re: Match 84:Run Man Run versus Companeros
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 13, 2006, 11:56:56 AM
Levantando en aire los sombreros
Vamos a matar, vamos a matar, companeros
Pintaremos de de rojosol y cielos
Vamos a matar, vamos a matar, companeros
Hay que ganar moriendo, pistoleros
Vamos a matar, vamos a matar, companeros
Hay que morir venciendo, guerrilleros
Vamos a matar, vamos a matar, companeros
Luchando con el hambre, sin dineros
Vamos a matar, vamos a matar, companeros
Estudiantes, rebeldes, bandoleros
Vamos a matar, vamos a matar, companeros
Hermanos somos, reyes y obreros
Vamos a matar, vamos a matar, companeros!


Title: Re: Match 84:Run Man Run versus Companeros
Post by: dave jenkins on April 13, 2006, 01:27:32 PM
Very difficult but Milian is in slightly better company in Companeros,its a bit funnier and the 2 main themes are fantastic!
What he said.


Title: Re: Match 84:Run Man Run versus Companeros
Post by: The Firecracker on April 13, 2006, 06:15:39 PM
Levantando en aire los sombreros
Vamos a matar, vamos a matar, companeros
Pintaremos de de rojosol y cielos
Vamos a matar, vamos a matar, companeros
Hay que ganar moriendo, pistoleros
Vamos a matar, vamos a matar, companeros
Hay que morir venciendo, guerrilleros
Vamos a matar, vamos a matar, companeros
Luchando con el hambre, sin dineros
Vamos a matar, vamos a matar, companeros
Estudiantes, rebeldes, bandoleros
Vamos a matar, vamos a matar, companeros
Hermanos somos, reyes y obreros
Vamos a matar, vamos a matar, companeros!


did you learn the lyrics by heart? or copied it from somewhere?


Title: Re: Match 84:Run Man Run versus Companeros
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 13, 2006, 07:41:08 PM
Copied it from some guy who posted it at www.imdb.com. I can't speak Spanish for my life!


Title: Re: Match 84:Run Man Run versus Companeros
Post by: cigar joe on April 13, 2006, 10:01:00 PM
yea companeros


Title: Re: Match 84:Run Man Run versus Companeros
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 13, 2006, 10:02:03 PM
Vamos a Matar!


Title: Re: Match 83:Great Silence versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: cigar joe on April 13, 2006, 10:04:57 PM
The snow man, silence, just barely


Title: Match 85:Django Kill versus Big Gundown
Post by: Banjo on April 14, 2006, 03:54:08 AM
Surely Derringdo won't vote for Django Kill,will she? :-\


Title: Match 86:Death Rides A Horse versus Return Of Ringo
Post by: Banjo on April 14, 2006, 03:55:39 AM
DRAH


Title: Match 87:Keoma versus Sartana
Post by: Banjo on April 14, 2006, 03:58:50 AM
Sartana-the original Django(Keoma's a rehash!) has already had plenty of support from me so far!


Title: Re: Match 87:Keoma versus Sartana
Post by: cigar joe on April 14, 2006, 06:09:37 AM
Keeeeooooooommmmmmaaaaaaa!


Title: Re: Match 86:Death Rides A Horse versus Return Of Ringo
Post by: cigar joe on April 14, 2006, 06:10:11 AM
DRAH


Title: Re: Match 85:Django Kill versus Big Gundown
Post by: cigar joe on April 14, 2006, 06:10:51 AM
Surely Derringdo won't vote for Django Kill,will she? :-\

TBG


Title: Re: Match 85:Django Kill versus Big Gundown
Post by: indio on April 14, 2006, 09:13:44 AM
i like the maddness of django kill but it the big gundown for me.


Title: Re: Match 86:Death Rides A Horse versus Return Of Ringo
Post by: indio on April 14, 2006, 09:14:30 AM
i hate ringo, DRAH for me.


Title: Re: Match 87:Keoma versus Sartana
Post by: indio on April 14, 2006, 09:15:13 AM
keoma all the way.


Title: Re: Match 83:Great Silence versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: indio on April 14, 2006, 09:16:25 AM
i've not seen crosses yet so its silence for me.


Title: Re: Match 84:Run Man Run versus Companeros
Post by: indio on April 14, 2006, 09:17:15 AM
nero and milian, why did they only make one film.


Title: Re: Match 79:Great Silence versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: indio on April 14, 2006, 09:17:58 AM
can't make up my mind on this one.


Title: Re: Match 82:They Call Me Trinity versus Hellbenders
Post by: indio on April 14, 2006, 09:18:49 AM
don't really like both.


Title: Re: Match 81:Big Gundown versus Keoma
Post by: indio on April 14, 2006, 09:19:29 AM
a hard one but keoma gets it.


Title: Re: Match 87:Keoma versus Sartana
Post by: The Firecracker on April 14, 2006, 11:27:47 AM
keoma all the way.


the same.


Title: Re: Match 86:Death Rides A Horse versus Return Of Ringo
Post by: The Firecracker on April 14, 2006, 11:28:12 AM
death and his horse.


Title: Re: Match 85:Django Kill versus Big Gundown
Post by: The Firecracker on April 14, 2006, 11:28:41 AM
Gundown.




Title: Re: Match 85:Django Kill versus Big Gundown
Post by: Banjo on April 14, 2006, 05:05:04 PM
i like the maddness of django kill but it the big gundown for me.
I think DK needs ever vote it can get Indio!


Title: Match 88:Day Of Anger versus Face To Face
Post by: Banjo on April 15, 2006, 03:42:11 AM
Face To Face


Title: Match 89:My Name Is Nobody versus Bullet Fot The General
Post by: Banjo on April 15, 2006, 03:43:42 AM
Nobody


Title: Match 90:Sabata versus The Mercenary
Post by: Banjo on April 15, 2006, 03:46:16 AM
Equally entertaining in my books but i'm going for Sabata,my namesake,Alley Cat etc.


Title: Re: Match 89:My Name Is Nobody versus Bullet Fot The General
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 15, 2006, 06:55:06 AM
Nobody


Title: Re: Match 85:Django Kill versus Big Gundown
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 15, 2006, 06:55:43 AM
TBG


Title: Re: Match 86:Death Rides A Horse versus Return Of Ringo
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 15, 2006, 06:56:10 AM
DRAH though I did like Ringo


Title: Re: Match 84:Run Man Run versus Companeros
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 15, 2006, 06:56:56 AM
I like both quite a lot btu I must admit, coming down to the crunch, I prefer Companeros


Title: Re: Match 83:Great Silence versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 15, 2006, 06:57:22 AM
TGS


Title: Re: Match 89:My Name Is Nobody versus Bullet Fot The General
Post by: indio on April 15, 2006, 07:08:56 AM
I CAN'T make up my mind!


Title: Re: Match 74:Run Man Run versus Day Of Anger
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 15, 2006, 07:09:51 AM
DoA


Title: Re: Match 88:Day Of Anger versus Face To Face
Post by: indio on April 15, 2006, 07:10:00 AM
milian, volante and berger. face to face all the way.


Title: Re: Match 68:Navajo Joe versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 15, 2006, 07:11:25 AM
DRAH though I recently saw NJ and quite enjoyed it (review coming soon)


Title: Re: Match 88:Day Of Anger versus Face To Face
Post by: Guerrilla on April 15, 2006, 07:52:43 AM
Face to Face of corse...
Milian is great,Volonte too

Day of Anger is not bad,Lee Van Cleef are still "The Bad"
but Gulianno Gemma is  :-\ 


Title: Re: Match 89:My Name Is Nobody versus Bullet Fot The General
Post by: Guerrilla on April 15, 2006, 07:53:15 AM
General is great,,,


Title: Re: Match 84:Run Man Run versus Companeros
Post by: Guerrilla on April 15, 2006, 07:54:03 AM
Companerooos !


Title: Re: Match 89:My Name Is Nobody versus Bullet Fot The General
Post by: cigar joe on April 15, 2006, 08:00:23 AM
ABFTG, the slapstick comedy ruins MNIN.

Anyway someone on the SWIA board has made a fan DVD with a different english dub from a VHS version, that has Volonte with the same dubbed voice we are used to in his Leone films, this I would like to hear, that is my only complaint from the version from Anchor Bay.


Title: Re: Match 88:Day Of Anger versus Face To Face
Post by: cigar joe on April 15, 2006, 08:01:05 AM
ftf


Title: Re: Match 90:Sabata versus The Mercenary
Post by: cigar joe on April 15, 2006, 08:03:00 AM
mercenary


Title: Re: Match 89:My Name Is Nobody versus Bullet Fot The General
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 15, 2006, 08:07:03 AM
I read about this, did Bay use the International Dub where as the original US Dub is better.


Title: Re: Match 90:Sabata versus The Mercenary
Post by: indio on April 15, 2006, 08:15:49 AM
franco nero for me


Title: Re: Match 68:Navajo Joe versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: indio on April 15, 2006, 08:17:06 AM
i've never seen nav. joe


Title: Re: Match 74:Run Man Run versus Day Of Anger
Post by: indio on April 15, 2006, 08:18:06 AM
run tomas run


Title: Re: Match 89:My Name Is Nobody versus Bullet Fot The General
Post by: cigar joe on April 15, 2006, 08:22:14 AM
don't know for sure but I think the fan project is the US dub.


Title: Re: Match 89:My Name Is Nobody versus Bullet Fot The General
Post by: Le Bon on April 15, 2006, 12:21:33 PM
yes i think they were saying that the Anchor Bay has the international dub. Oh and MNIN just edges it for me!


Title: Re: Match 90:Sabata versus The Mercenary
Post by: Tim on April 15, 2006, 01:18:04 PM
  The Mercenary.


Title: Re: Match 79:Great Silence versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Tim on April 15, 2006, 01:20:24 PM
  TGS, it gets points for the wintery mountain setting instead of the usual desert scenery.  Oh, and it's a pretty good movie.


Title: Re: SW League table:1st lot of results are in!!!
Post by: Marco Leone on April 15, 2006, 03:22:41 PM
I know Banjo, I've been really slacking of late!


Title: Re: Match 90:Sabata versus The Mercenary
Post by: The Firecracker on April 15, 2006, 04:48:50 PM
  The Mercenary.

the same.


Title: Re: Match 89:My Name Is Nobody versus Bullet Fot The General
Post by: The Firecracker on April 15, 2006, 04:49:35 PM
Nobody.


Title: Re: Match 88:Day Of Anger versus Face To Face
Post by: The Firecracker on April 15, 2006, 04:50:56 PM
cant say. my Face to Face dvd has yet to arrive.


Title: Re: SW League table:1st lot of results are in!!!
Post by: Banjo on April 15, 2006, 05:05:00 PM
Yeah sort it out! :(


Title: Re: Match 79:Great Silence versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: indio on April 16, 2006, 01:01:45 AM
great silence


Title: Re: Match 79:Great Silence versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Le Bon on April 16, 2006, 05:59:28 AM
GS...my fave non Leone too. Great score and has enough of a spaghetti feel with the guns & costumes plus the great scenery.


Title: Match 91:Navajo Joe versus Great Silence
Post by: Banjo on April 16, 2006, 09:00:12 AM
Both very much part of Corbucci's bleaker output and i voted for Silence!


Title: Match 92:Price Of Power versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: Banjo on April 16, 2006, 09:03:03 AM
Trinity-anyone that disagrees i'll send round Bambino to pummel you ;)


Title: Match 93:Hellbenders versus Run Man Run
Post by: Banjo on April 16, 2006, 09:04:39 AM
RMR!


Title: Re: Match 93:Hellbenders versus Run Man Run
Post by: indio on April 16, 2006, 02:40:01 PM
i agree. i just don't like hellbenders.


Title: Re: Match 93:Hellbenders versus Run Man Run
Post by: cigar joe on April 16, 2006, 05:58:34 PM
rmr


Title: Re: Match 91:Navajo Joe versus Great Silence
Post by: Tim on April 16, 2006, 09:35:11 PM
  TGS.

  Although like ya said Banjo, both are rather downbeat, and that's fine by me.  I get sick of watching happy hollywood endings all the time. 


Title: Re: Match 91:Navajo Joe versus Great Silence
Post by: The Firecracker on April 16, 2006, 09:38:34 PM
both excellent.
But TGS takes it.


Title: Re: Match 93:Hellbenders versus Run Man Run
Post by: The Firecracker on April 16, 2006, 09:39:13 PM
RMR? pft.

Hellbenders for me.


Title: Re: Match 92:Price Of Power versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: The Firecracker on April 16, 2006, 09:43:06 PM
Trinity-anyone that disagrees i'll send round Bambino to pummel you ;)


Price of power.









































































































































































































































kidding ;D


Title: Match 94:Return Of Ringo versus Big Gundown
Post by: Banjo on April 17, 2006, 03:26:15 AM
Big Gundown


Title: Match 95:Django Kill versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Banjo on April 17, 2006, 03:27:39 AM
DRAH


Title: Match 96:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Companeros
Post by: Banjo on April 17, 2006, 03:31:50 AM
Firecracker are you really going to kid me that Hossein and all the another nobodys are more enjoyable than Nero,Milian,Palance,Morricone etc? :-\


Title: Re: Match 92:Price Of Power versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: Banjo on April 17, 2006, 03:33:54 AM
You were lucky ;)


Title: Re: Match 95:Django Kill versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: cigar joe on April 17, 2006, 04:59:29 AM
drah


Title: Re: Match 94:Return Of Ringo versus Big Gundown
Post by: cigar joe on April 17, 2006, 05:00:05 AM
tbg


Title: Re: Match 95:Django Kill versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: indio on April 17, 2006, 06:12:14 AM
DRAH but only just. after all has DRAH got a man with liquid gold over his head running around in fire...i don't think so!


Title: Re: Match 96:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Companeros
Post by: indio on April 17, 2006, 06:13:50 AM
i agree although i haven't seen crosses. be hard pressed to beat companeros.


Title: Re: Match 93:Hellbenders versus Run Man Run
Post by: indio on April 17, 2006, 06:15:21 AM
i'm interested to know what you like about hellbenders as i don't. always good to see someone else's point of view.


Title: Re: Match 94:Return Of Ringo versus Big Gundown
Post by: indio on April 17, 2006, 06:16:16 AM
the Big G. ringo is not great.


Title: Re: Match 91:Navajo Joe versus Great Silence
Post by: indio on April 17, 2006, 06:17:19 AM
not seen joe so i'll go for silence. amazing end, great soundtrack.


Title: Re: Match 92:Price Of Power versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: indio on April 17, 2006, 08:38:43 AM
never seen power.


Title: Re: Match 94:Return Of Ringo versus Big Gundown
Post by: The Firecracker on April 17, 2006, 01:35:43 PM
Ringo is very good.
But LVC has the edge.


Title: Re: Match 93:Hellbenders versus Run Man Run
Post by: The Firecracker on April 17, 2006, 01:42:01 PM
i'm interested to know what you like about hellbenders as i don't. always good to see someone else's point of view.


Hellbenders is just really suspenseful throughout. every time Jonas and co. get stopped by the army, you are at the edge of your seat thinking "how will they get out of this one"? The episode with the Blindman, The beggar(Muloch), and the army base is also thrilling.

The ending kinda cheats the audience a bit when

SPOILER!!!

you find out they dug the wrong grave. I mean honestly, how could you make such a mistake? Perhaps because it was rainning and they were in a hurry but it just seems to unrealistic. And another thing I didnt like was Jonas dying all the sudden. when did he start losing blood? Yes he was shot but he seemed ok up until that point.

end spoiler!

but other than that, it is excellent.


"Run man run" is a series of excellent Ideas mixed in with an average story. There are about four scenes that are great and the rest of the film is mediocre.

that is my take anyway...


Title: Re: Match 96:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Companeros
Post by: The Firecracker on April 17, 2006, 01:50:40 PM
Firecracker are you really going to kid me that Hossein and all the another nobodys are more enjoyable than Nero,Milian,Palance,Morricone etc? :-\


yes.


(dont hit me)


personally, "Companeros" is my least fav corbucci. It works great until they reach the saloon where they meet that blonde. Afterwards it becomes to inconsistant, some scenes are great while others are ok.



Title: Re: Match 95:Django Kill versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 17, 2006, 01:52:04 PM
Nor does it have the scalping of an indian or gay cowboys but it is still better! ;D


Title: Re: Match 95:Django Kill versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 17, 2006, 05:56:43 PM
DRAH


Title: Re: Match 94:Return Of Ringo versus Big Gundown
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 17, 2006, 05:57:31 PM
TBG


Title: Re: Match 91:Navajo Joe versus Great Silence
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 17, 2006, 05:58:10 PM
TGS is my fave non-Leone, it wins by miles


Title: Re: Match 91:Navajo Joe versus Great Silence
Post by: cigar joe on April 17, 2006, 06:04:15 PM
TGS is my fave non-Leone, it wins by miles

I agree but cant get on to vote TGS


Title: Re: SW League Table update imminent!!!
Post by: Banjo on April 18, 2006, 06:41:36 AM
I've just been compiling the results up to and including Match 60 and the new league table will be displayed shortly!!


Title: Re: SW League Table update imminent!!!
Post by: Banjo on April 18, 2006, 08:10:00 AM
                           played    won     drawn     votes   pts 
Big Gundown          6            6           0            35     12
Great Silence          6            5           1            42     11
Django                    7            4           1             34      9
The Mercenary         5            4           1             23     9
Keoma                     6            4           0             29     8
Run Man Run           5             4           0             20     8
Death R'ds A Horse  6            3           1             29     7
Companeros            5             3           1             27     7
Sabata                      6            3           1             23     7
Cemetery WC           6            3            1             19    7
My Name is Nobody  5             2           2              27   6
Hellbenders               6            2           2              11   6
Face To Face             6            2            1             24    5
Price of Power            6            2           0             13    4
Bullet FT General        6            1           1            15     3
Sartana                      6            1           1              9     3
Return Of Ringo         5             1           1             8      3
They Call Me Trinity    5            1            0             9     2
Day Of Anger             6             1           0              8    2
Django Kill                   5           0            1             7     1
Navajo Joe                 6             0           0             6     0

Latest league positions for matches played up to and including Match 60.I'll publish the match results for 22-60 when i next logon!


Title: Re: SW League Table update imminent!!!
Post by: The Firecracker on April 18, 2006, 09:34:39 AM
                           played    won     drawn     votes   pts 
Big Gundown          6            6           0            35     12
Great Silence          6            5           1            42     11
Django                    7            4           1             34      9
The Mercenary         5            4           1             23     9
Keoma                     6            4           0             29     8
Run Man Run           5             4           0             20     8
Death R'ds A Horse  6            3           1             29     7
Companeros            5             3           1             27     7
Sabata                      6            3           1             23     7
Cemetery WC           6            3            1             19    7
My Name is Nobody  5             2           2              27   6
Hellbenders               6            2           2              11   6
Face To Face             6            2            1             24    5
Price of Power            6            2           0             13    4
Bullet FT General        6            1           1            15     3
Sartana                      6            1           1              9     3
Return Of Ringo         5             1           1             8      3
They Call Me Trinity    5            1            0             9     2
Day Of Anger             6             1           0              8    2
Django Kill                   5           0            1             7     1
Navajo Joe                 6             0           0             6     0

Latest league positions for matches played up to and including Match 60.I'll publish the match results for 22-60 when i next logon!




Navajo joe is losing to DK! what utter nonsense is this?


Title: Re: SW League Table update imminent!!!
Post by: Banjo on April 18, 2006, 03:04:49 PM


Navajo joe is losing to DK! what utter nonsense is this?
Its true DK has a point from the one draw and i'll type in the match results from 22-60 tommorow!


Title: Re: LASTEST SW LEAGUE UPDATE!!!
Post by: Banjo on April 18, 2006, 03:07:29 PM
Oh yes,i've just watched the full 110 minute version of Day of Anger(my old version is 85 minutes) and i've completely changed my opinion of what seems to be a different film altogether-i hope it starts pulling up the table soon!


Title: Re: SW League Table update imminent!!!
Post by: The Firecracker on April 18, 2006, 03:08:15 PM
Its true DK has a point from the one draw and i'll type in the match results from 22-60 tommorow!


I think I will help Navajo Joe out next time it comes up. I dont care what it is up against! The film should not and WILL not be beaten by Dk!


Title: Re: LASTEST SW LEAGUE UPDATE!!!
Post by: Banjo on April 18, 2006, 03:10:18 PM
Yes,there are some titles there that are worse than Nav Joe!


Title: Re: LASTEST SW LEAGUE UPDATE!!!
Post by: The Firecracker on April 18, 2006, 03:12:04 PM
Yes,there are some titles there that are worse than Nav Joe!

cough*They call me Trinity* cough


Title: Match 97:Keoma versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on April 19, 2006, 03:02:12 AM
Nobody


Title: Match 98:Day Of Anger versus Bullet For The General
Post by: Banjo on April 19, 2006, 03:08:44 AM
After watching the very much improved full 110 minute version yesterday i'm voting for Day Of Anger.
One to be added to Talbys lessons:-
"Never judge too harshly a movie which has been severely cut!".
I started watching the full version of Blindman yesterday and i'm beginning to alter my opinion of this also.


Title: Match 99:Face To Face versus Django
Post by: Banjo on April 19, 2006, 03:11:29 AM
Django has an outside chance of winning this thing(which would be great!) so i'm going with Mr Nero!


Title: Match 100:Sabata versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Banjo on April 19, 2006, 03:15:25 AM
I know Firecrackers trying to achieve at least a  point for
Nav Joe so it can beat Django Kill(still very early days Holy Water Man!!!) but theres no way i can vote against the immensely more enjoyable Sabata!


Title: Match 101:The Mercenary versus Great Silence
Post by: Banjo on April 19, 2006, 03:22:02 AM
For me The Mercenary wins in all departments-its truly an epic type story similar in style to Leone,the characters are cooler,its funny,the action and set pieces are tons better and Morricone pulls out all the stops for the bullring arena showdown at the end.
Really i think this should win the competition! :)


Title: Match 102:Price of Power versus Return Of Ringo
Post by: Banjo on April 19, 2006, 03:24:19 AM
I've been reminded how good this is by Leone Admirers recent review so i voted Ringo!


Title: Re: LASTEST SW LEAGUE UPDATE!!!
Post by: Banjo on April 19, 2006, 03:26:42 AM
wheeze* Cemetery Without Crosses* wheeze  :P


Title: Re: LASTEST SW LEAGUE UPDATE!!!
Post by: Banjo on April 19, 2006, 03:38:51 AM
OK results for Matches 22-60:-

Big Gundown 5 Face To Face1,Big Gundown 6 Bullet FTG 2,Face To Face 3 Bullet FTG 3,Day Of Anger 1 Great Silence 7,Day Of Anger 0 Companeros 8,Companeros 4 Great Silence 4,Death Rides A Horse 3 Nobody 3,Death Rides a Horse 1 Mercenary 4,Mercenary 2 Nobody 2,Django 5 Price Of Power 1,Django 3 Sabata £,Price Of Power 1 Sabata 5,Hellbenders 2 Nav Joe 1,Sartana 2 Nav Joe 0,Hellbenders 1 Sartana 1,Keoma 2 Cemetery 3,Cemetery 4 Trinity 1,Keoma 5 Trinity 2,Nav Joe 1 Run Man Run 3,Run Man Run 3 Sart 2,Ringo 2 Hellbenders 1,Ringo 2 Day of Anger 4,Django Kill 3 Price of Power 4,Django 10 Django Kill 0,Sabata 3 Face To Face 7,Big Gundown 4 Cemetery 2,Day Of Anger 2 Keoma 6,Death Rides a Horse 6 Trinity 1,Django Kill 0 Silence 9,Run Man Run 2 Nobody 8,Bullet 5 Ringo 0,Mercenary 7 Django 3,Companeros 5 Hellbenders 1,Sartana 1 Death Rides A Horse 9,Sabata 3 Keoma 6,Bullet FTG 2 Silence 10,Nav Joe 1 Price Of Power 4,Cemetery 4 Face To Face 5 and Django 5 Big Gundown 6.
PHEW!!!!


Title: Re: Match 104:Price of Power versus Return Of Ringo
Post by: The Firecracker on April 19, 2006, 10:32:08 AM
I've been reminded how good this is by Leone Admirers recent review so i voted Ringo!


the same


Title: Re: Match 103:The Mercenary versus Great Silence
Post by: indio on April 19, 2006, 10:32:29 AM
yeah its franco for me too, but its a hard one TGS is amazing.


Title: Re: Match 103:The Mercenary versus Great Silence
Post by: The Firecracker on April 19, 2006, 10:32:47 AM
I am in a mercenary mood today.


Title: Re: Match 102:Sabata versus Navajo Joe
Post by: indio on April 19, 2006, 10:33:30 AM
Lee Van Cleef and William Berger all the way.


Title: Re: Match 102:Sabata versus Navajo Joe
Post by: The Firecracker on April 19, 2006, 10:33:46 AM
I know Firecrackers trying to achieve at least a  point for
Nav Joe



correct.


Title: Re: Match 101:Face To Face versus Django
Post by: The Firecracker on April 19, 2006, 10:34:31 AM
Django has an outside chance of winning this thing(which would be great!) so i'm going with Mr Nero!

dammit cant vote! I am goin going to watch Face to Face RIGHT  NOW!!!! BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Match 100:Day Of Anger versus Bullet For The General
Post by: The Firecracker on April 19, 2006, 10:35:08 AM
After watching the very much improved full 110 minute version yesterday i'm voting for Day Of Anger.
One to be added to Talbys lessons:-
"Never judge too harshly a movie which has been severely cut!".
I started watching the full version of Blindman yesterday and i'm beginning to alter my opinion of this also.


YOU DAMN WELL BETTER!


Title: Re: Match 99:Keoma versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on April 19, 2006, 10:35:36 AM
love Keoma. But must go with Nobody.


Title: Re: Match 101:Face To Face versus Django
Post by: indio on April 19, 2006, 10:36:41 AM
Banjo you are making these hard! i choose Django because its more iconic, the theme tune, opening shot, whats in the coffin, the ending.
although face to face is better in some respects. django was more influental.


Title: Re: Match 99:Keoma versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: indio on April 19, 2006, 10:37:55 AM
i disagree with you fine gents.its
KKEEEOOOMMMAAAAAA.


Title: Re: Match 100:Day Of Anger versus Bullet For The General
Post by: indio on April 19, 2006, 10:40:12 AM
Bullet is so much better. volante at his best.


Title: Re: Match 101:Face To Face versus Django
Post by: The Firecracker on April 19, 2006, 02:05:40 PM
Banjo you are making these hard! i choose Django because its more iconic, the theme tune, opening shot, whats in the coffin, the ending.
although face to face is better in some respects. django was more influental.

agreed. Any other time I would have picked Django.

But I just witnessed "Face to Face" for the first time just moments ago. And I was impressed.

It isnt perfect though, and I doubt it will be on my top ten spag list(to early to tell).
To many problems for it to be perfect...

The soundtrack goes from bad to average(easily the worst Morricone soundtrack I have heard in a spag). There is nothing imaginative about it. And sometimes it sounds like Ennio has ripped off his own stuff.

This movie is a "character study" and therefore should have been AT LEAST 25 minutes longer. I wasnt too convinced with Volonte's change.

Milian is a bit mis-cast as ex-confederate soldier. The other confederates would be racist against him for being mexican.


also the title is a bit misleading...FACE TO FACE! I thought there would be a huge showdown between Volonte and Milian, this doesnt happen :'(

SPOILER

He shoots him in the back for christ sakes!
the title should be more like..

"FACE TO BACK!"(yes a bad joke. REALLY bad.)

end of spoiler and post!


Title: Re: Match 101:Face To Face versus Django
Post by: cigar joe on April 19, 2006, 05:20:11 PM
Find my thread on this (FTF) and post your review, I didn't care that much for it either for the same reasons.


Title: Re: Match 100:Day Of Anger versus Bullet For The General
Post by: cigar joe on April 19, 2006, 05:20:56 PM
abftg


Title: Re: Match 99:Keoma versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: cigar joe on April 19, 2006, 05:21:32 PM
Keeeoooomaaaaa


Title: Re: Match 102:Sabata versus Navajo Joe
Post by: cigar joe on April 19, 2006, 05:22:07 PM
sabata


Title: Re: Match 101:Face To Face versus Django
Post by: The Firecracker on April 19, 2006, 05:26:19 PM
Find my thread on this (FTF) and post your review, I didn't care that much for it either for the same reasons.

I will. Is it in the other films section?

also I want to add that I did like it. I just thought it had alot of problems.


Title: Re: Match 100:Day Of Anger versus Bullet For The General
Post by: Banjo on April 19, 2006, 05:34:19 PM

YOU DAMN WELL BETTER!
I completely take back what i said about Tony Antony and Blindman-its ace(or am i too influenced by all that extra tits and ass ;D?)


Title: Re: Match 99:Keoma versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on April 19, 2006, 05:35:38 PM
You missed out the "Nowwwwwwwwwoww!"


Title: Re: Match 100:Day Of Anger versus Bullet For The General
Post by: The Firecracker on April 19, 2006, 05:36:59 PM
I completely take back what i said about Tony Antony and Blindman-its ace(or am i too influenced by all that extra tits and ass ;D?)


I think the added Ringo getting shot scene and the extended blinding of Domingo did alot for ya as well.

Also i think the head lock blindman gives sweet mama was drastically cut down in the american release.

also most of Blindman's funny lines were taken out. Mostly the ones concerning his testicles.


Title: Re: Match 102:Sabata versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Banjo on April 19, 2006, 05:37:10 PM


correct.
You're fighting a losing battle here,it says something if CJ's going with Sabata ;D


Title: Re: Match 102:Sabata versus Navajo Joe
Post by: The Firecracker on April 19, 2006, 05:38:47 PM
You're fighting a losing battle here,it says something if CJ's going with Sabata ;D

I just wanted to help it out.


Title: Re: Match 101:Face To Face versus Django
Post by: Banjo on April 19, 2006, 05:38:52 PM
Find my thread on this (FTF) and post your review, I didn't care that much for it either for the same reasons.
Who did you vote for CJ?


Title: Re: Match 102:Sabata versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Banjo on April 19, 2006, 05:40:08 PM
I might have to give Django Kill a helping hand too to make it interesting ;D


Title: Re: Match 100:Day Of Anger versus Bullet For The General
Post by: Banjo on April 19, 2006, 05:42:00 PM
My old versions 85 minutes and like Day Of Anger the extra footage just completely changes the pace giving the appearance of a totally different movie!


Title: Re: Match 100:Day Of Anger versus Bullet For The General
Post by: cigar joe on April 19, 2006, 07:47:56 PM
now I told ya it was good (Blindman), lol,

Now, the other film we had the same type of discussion was between Blood & Guns and Tepepa.


Title: Re: Match 101:Face To Face versus Django
Post by: cigar joe on April 19, 2006, 07:53:43 PM
ftf


Title: Re: Match 101:Face To Face versus Django
Post by: The Firecracker on April 19, 2006, 09:45:38 PM
Who did you vote for CJ?

"who"? you my good sir, mean "what"?


Title: Match 103:Big Gundown versus Conpaneros
Post by: Banjo on April 20, 2006, 06:38:28 AM
Big Gundown


Title: Match 104:Django Kill versus Keoma
Post by: Banjo on April 20, 2006, 06:40:17 AM
Dj.....KEOMA ;D


Title: Match 105:Run Man Run versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Banjo on April 20, 2006, 06:42:12 AM
i dunno...ok.. RUN MAN RUN just about!


Title: Match 106:They Call Me Trinity versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Banjo on April 20, 2006, 06:45:19 AM
Its got to be Trinity and Bambino,afterall Burt Reynolds hated his movie!


Title: Re: Match 104:Django Kill versus Keoma
Post by: indio on April 20, 2006, 07:37:12 AM
keoma...gothic


Title: Re: Match 103:Big Gundown versus Conpaneros
Post by: indio on April 20, 2006, 07:38:46 AM
companeros. just such fun. come on palance, scotish, dope smoking, one handed, kestral holding madman.


Title: Re: Match 103:Big Gundown versus Conpaneros
Post by: Banjo on April 20, 2006, 07:47:36 AM
Well Companeros is the missus's favourite!


Title: Re: Match 104:Django Kill versus Keoma
Post by: Banjo on April 20, 2006, 07:48:13 AM
With a great misunderstood score!!!


Title: Re: Match 98:Day Of Anger versus Bullet For The General
Post by: Marco Leone on April 20, 2006, 07:50:27 AM
After watching the very much improved full 110 minute version yesterday i'm voting for Day Of Anger.
One to be added to Talbys lessons:-
"Never judge too harshly a movie which has been severely cut!".
I started watching the full version of Blindman yesterday and i'm beginning to alter my opinion of this also.

Thats a real coincidence Banjo.  I have recently watched the Wild East version and loved it.  Previously I had a copy of Gunlaw, which was heavily edited and didn't do the film any justice at all.  Infact, I rated it at the low end of watchable.

Its amazing how by seeing the complete version of the film once can change a view so drastically.  It would now be a Must View in my eyes.



Title: Re: Match 103:Big Gundown versus Conpaneros
Post by: Marco Leone on April 20, 2006, 07:51:58 AM
Todays its companeros, but tomorrow my view is likely to change!  Love them both.


Title: Re: Match 106:They Call Me Trinity versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Marco Leone on April 20, 2006, 07:53:47 AM
Gotta disagree brudda!


Title: Re: LASTEST SW LEAGUE UPDATE!!!
Post by: Marco Leone on April 20, 2006, 07:58:33 AM
I really must get around to seeing Run Man Run - its doing mightily well!


Title: Re: Match 92:Price Of Power versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: Marco Leone on April 20, 2006, 08:00:16 AM
I'm not too keen on either, but I can see alot more merits in Trinity.


Title: Re: Match 98:Day Of Anger versus Bullet For The General
Post by: Banjo on April 20, 2006, 08:06:21 AM
Exactly the sames happened with Blindman-i really love both movies now!


Title: Re: Match 103:Big Gundown versus Conpaneros
Post by: Banjo on April 20, 2006, 08:07:04 AM
Its like choosing between 2 best mates!


Title: Re: Match 106:They Call Me Trinity versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Banjo on April 20, 2006, 08:07:51 AM
Uh-oh thats gonna let in Nav Joe campaigner Firecracker!


Title: Re: LASTEST SW LEAGUE UPDATE!!!
Post by: Banjo on April 20, 2006, 08:08:58 AM
Its one of lifes mysterys that the great Marco Leone doesn't yet own Run Man Run!


Title: Re: Match 92:Price Of Power versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: Banjo on April 20, 2006, 08:09:34 AM
Cheers bro! :D


Title: Re: Match 99:Face To Face versus Django
Post by: Banjo on April 20, 2006, 08:10:47 AM
It was about midnight  Sire ;D


Title: Re: Match 106:They Call Me Trinity versus Navajo Joe
Post by: The Firecracker on April 20, 2006, 09:09:40 AM
afterall Burt Reynolds hated his movie!


Burt Reynolds is a fool.

case and point: "smokey and the bandit 2 and 3"


Navajo joe gets the vote!


Title: Re: Match 103:Big Gundown versus Conpaneros
Post by: The Firecracker on April 20, 2006, 09:10:17 AM
Companeros


Title: Re: Match 98:Day Of Anger versus Bullet For The General
Post by: The Firecracker on April 20, 2006, 09:17:21 AM
Exactly the sames happened with Blindman-i really love both movies now!

cheers to this statement. :D


Title: Re: Match 104:Django Kill versus Keoma
Post by: The Firecracker on April 20, 2006, 09:19:35 AM
With a great misunderstood score!!!

Id rather listen to Keoma's soundtrack 10 times than watch Django Kill twice in a row.


Title: Re: Match 105:Run Man Run versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 20, 2006, 09:26:09 AM
i dunno...ok.. RUN MAN RUN just about!


 :P


Title: Re: Match 105:Run Man Run versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: indio on April 20, 2006, 11:03:00 AM
DRAH baby!


Title: Re: Match 105:Run Man Run versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 20, 2006, 12:41:42 PM
DRAH


Title: Re: Match 105:Run Man Run versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 20, 2006, 06:14:03 PM
DRAH. This isn't a bad thing but I'm starting to freak out thinking I've voted when I haven't or I haven't voted when I had. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh  ;D


Title: Re: Match 104:Django Kill versus Keoma
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 20, 2006, 06:17:35 PM
Go on then, Keoma I must admit I was tempted to do Kill


Title: Re: Match 98:Day Of Anger versus Bullet For The General
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 20, 2006, 06:18:22 PM
DOA hehehehehe I'M MAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;D


Title: Re: Match 103:Big Gundown versus Conpaneros
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 20, 2006, 06:18:52 PM
Companeros


Title: Re: Match 100:Sabata versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 20, 2006, 06:19:29 PM
Navajo Joe.


Title: Re: Match 104:Django Kill versus Keoma
Post by: The Firecracker on April 20, 2006, 08:23:38 PM
who chose DK?


Seek them out and burn them I says! ;D


Title: Re: Match 100:Sabata versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Tim on April 20, 2006, 08:36:12 PM
  Sabata for me.

  I do like Navajo Joe though, just like Sabata better.  I taped NJ off TCM a couple years ago in widescreen, but I'd definitely like to see a widescreen region 1 dvd in the future.


Title: Re: Match 106:They Call Me Trinity versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Tim on April 20, 2006, 08:40:23 PM
  Navajo Joe.  Looks like it might actually win one of the contests.  Woo-hoo!  :)


Title: Re: Match 101:The Mercenary versus Great Silence
Post by: Tim on April 20, 2006, 08:48:54 PM
  The Great Silence, but this was the toughest one to decide of all the polls so far for me.  In just about any other poll, Mercenary would win, but not here. 


Title: Re: Match 95:Django Kill versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Tim on April 20, 2006, 08:51:14 PM
  Death Rides a Horse.  Looks like DRAH is running away with this one.


Title: Re: Match 104:Django Kill versus Keoma
Post by: cigar joe on April 20, 2006, 09:13:03 PM
Keeeeooommmaaaa


Title: Re: Match 103:Big Gundown versus Conpaneros
Post by: cigar joe on April 20, 2006, 09:14:31 PM
TBG just slightly.


Title: Re: Match 105:Run Man Run versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: cigar joe on April 20, 2006, 09:17:16 PM
Just slightly tipping to RMR


Title: Re: Match 92:Price Of Power versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: cigar joe on April 20, 2006, 09:27:12 PM
PoP but really neither, lol


Title: Re: LASTEST SW LEAGUE UPDATE!!!
Post by: cigar joe on April 20, 2006, 09:31:06 PM
That is hard to read, what does it all mean  ::)


Title: Match 107:Day Of Anger versus Django
Post by: Banjo on April 21, 2006, 02:18:43 AM
As much as i really like DOA now,i've still got to go with Django which could make top 3 :-\


Title: Match 108:Price of Power versus Bullet For The General
Post by: Banjo on April 21, 2006, 02:20:47 AM
BFTG


Title: Match 109:Sabata versus Great Silence
Post by: Banjo on April 21, 2006, 02:22:39 AM
I like my sw's cool & feelgood - Sabata!


Title: Match 110:Cemetery Without Crosses versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on April 21, 2006, 02:25:03 AM
Nobody!


Title: Match 111:Sartana versus Return Of Ringo
Post by: Banjo on April 21, 2006, 02:28:45 AM
Sartana-everything a sw should be,don't be put off if you only have I Am Sartana Your Angel Of Death which is totally crap in comparison!


Title: Re: LASTEST SW LEAGUE UPDATE!!!
Post by: Banjo on April 21, 2006, 02:53:39 AM
CJ your are refering to the match results and not the league table?
I thought it would be useful for every one to see how all the matches turned out-i was just too lazy(sorry)to type out every single match number!


Title: Re: Match 102:Sabata versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Banjo on April 21, 2006, 02:54:45 AM
I just wanted to help it out.
You'll have to bide your time methinks ;)


Title: Re: Match 98:Day Of Anger versus Bullet For The General
Post by: Banjo on April 21, 2006, 03:00:16 AM
I puzzled now why people already with the 110 minute version give this movie a hard time!


Title: Re: Match 106:They Call Me Trinity versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Banjo on April 21, 2006, 03:17:49 AM
 :'(


Title: Re: Match 101:The Mercenary versus Great Silence
Post by: Banjo on April 21, 2006, 03:19:46 AM
Could be the decider for 2nd place-looks like Big Gundowns running away with it currently! ::)


Title: Re: Match 95:Django Kill versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Banjo on April 21, 2006, 03:20:54 AM
Any sw with Zorro in it has got to be dodgy!


Title: Re: Match 104:Django Kill versus Keoma
Post by: Banjo on April 21, 2006, 03:24:35 AM
Id rather listen to Keoma's soundtrack 10 times than watch Django Kill twice in a row.
I'd forgotten how bad that is! ???


Title: Re: Match 103:Big Gundown versus Conpaneros
Post by: Banjo on April 21, 2006, 03:25:40 AM
Is there an upset on the cards perhaps ::)


Title: Re: Match 96:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Companeros
Post by: Banjo on April 21, 2006, 04:26:44 AM
i agree although i haven't seen crosses. be hard pressed to beat companeros.
It doesn't come close


Title: Re: LASTEST SW LEAGUE UPDATE!!!
Post by: Marco Leone on April 21, 2006, 08:09:48 AM
Its one of lifes mysterys that the great Marco Leone doesn't yet own Run Man Run!

Its virtually criminal brud!  I really should rectify this!  It is probably more important (and enjoyable) to own Run Man Run then, ummmm, Pistol Packin Preacher!


Title: Re: Match 106:They Call Me Trinity versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Marco Leone on April 21, 2006, 08:11:01 AM
Its gonna happen!  No setting up multiple IDs and rigging it Banjo  :D


Title: Re: Match 96:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Companeros
Post by: The Firecracker on April 21, 2006, 10:42:04 AM
It doesn't come close


so says you.


Title: Re: Match 106:They Call Me Trinity versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Sundance on April 21, 2006, 10:49:35 AM
Trinity!


Title: Re: Match 95:Django Kill versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 21, 2006, 10:49:40 AM
Any sw with Zorro in it has got to be dodgy!

where did this comment come from? ??? nobody mentioned zorro.

as far as all of them being crap... I have read otherwise...

there are some crap ones but some are worth a view.


"Who is afraid of Zorro" is suppose to be good entertainment. George Hilton Plays Zorro in it.



Title: Re: Match 101:The Mercenary versus Great Silence
Post by: The Firecracker on April 21, 2006, 10:52:41 AM
Could be the decider for 2nd place-looks like Big Gundowns running away with it currently! ::)

not If I have anything to say about it!


Title: Re: Match 98:Day Of Anger versus Bullet For The General
Post by: The Firecracker on April 21, 2006, 10:55:45 AM
I puzzled now why people already with the 110 minute version give this movie a hard time!

it was just to over-hyped for my taste. The first hour is what everybody promised it would be. It was well on its way too being top three! But after the saloon burning sequence it loses its way and doesnt pick itself up again until the climax.

And then you have to contend with that awfully cheesy ending with Gemma(in the worst bit of acting he has ever done) throws his pistol to the window. and then as a bonus you get to see him and the bum(played by the actor who played silvanito in FOD) hold hands and walk out of town. Awful.


Title: Re: Match 111:Sartana versus Return Of Ringo
Post by: The Firecracker on April 21, 2006, 11:00:29 AM
Sartana-everything a sw should be,don't be put off if you only have I Am Sartana Your Angel Of Death which is totally crap in comparison!


despite the convolted plot, I agree.


Title: Re: Match 110:Cemetery Without Crosses versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on April 21, 2006, 11:00:57 AM
Nobody!

Cemetery!


Title: Re: Match 109:Sabata versus Great Silence
Post by: The Firecracker on April 21, 2006, 11:01:23 AM
Silence.


Title: Re: Match 108:Price of Power versus Bullet For The General
Post by: The Firecracker on April 21, 2006, 11:01:52 AM
BFTG
Bullet.


Title: Re: Match 110:Cemetery Without Crosses versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Sundance on April 21, 2006, 11:02:03 AM
Cemetery!

Nobody!

:P


Title: Re: Match 107:Day Of Anger versus Django
Post by: The Firecracker on April 21, 2006, 11:02:24 AM
As much as i really like DOA now,i've still got to go with Django which could make top 3 :-\
Django for sure.


Title: Re: Match 110:Cemetery Without Crosses versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on April 21, 2006, 11:02:55 AM
Nobody!

:P


 >:( :P


 ;D


Title: Re: Match 110:Cemetery Without Crosses versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: cigar joe on April 21, 2006, 09:45:49 PM
cwc


Title: Re: Match 108:Price of Power versus Bullet For The General
Post by: cigar joe on April 21, 2006, 09:46:42 PM
bftg


Title: Re: Match 107:Day Of Anger versus Django
Post by: indio on April 22, 2006, 01:15:22 AM
agreed. if django hadn't been around we would never have a lot of these SW.


Title: Re: Match 108:Price of Power versus Bullet For The General
Post by: indio on April 22, 2006, 01:16:16 AM
volante and kinski.


Title: Re: Match 109:Sabata versus Great Silence
Post by: indio on April 22, 2006, 01:17:14 AM
i like sabata as i love berger, but silence is a better film.


Title: Re: Match 95:Django Kill versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: indio on April 22, 2006, 01:20:13 AM
zorro is in django kill, but only by name! although a fat man with a parrot dressed as zorro with gay cowboy followers. i'd watch that!! if fact django kill could have dropped that in somewhere.


Title: Re: LASTEST SW LEAGUE UPDATE!!!
Post by: Banjo on April 22, 2006, 02:25:34 AM
I'm not saying anything >:(


Title: Re: Match 96:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Companeros
Post by: Banjo on April 22, 2006, 02:28:10 AM
 :-*


Title: Re: Match 106:They Call Me Trinity versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Banjo on April 22, 2006, 02:32:36 AM
Its gonna happen!  No setting up multiple IDs and rigging it Banjo  :D
Oh no you sussed out my alter-ego in Scandinavia!
Cheers for the support Sundance ;)


Title: Re: Match 101:The Mercenary versus Great Silence
Post by: Banjo on April 22, 2006, 02:34:47 AM
Yeah i won't argue with what you've got in your hands Firecracker  :-\


Title: Re: Match 98:Day Of Anger versus Bullet For The General
Post by: Banjo on April 22, 2006, 02:36:13 AM
The atmoshere is still a bit flat initially but this picks up later on! ::)


Title: Re: Match 111:Sartana versus Return Of Ringo
Post by: Banjo on April 22, 2006, 02:38:14 AM
A stimulating and challenging plot!!!


Title: Re: Match 110:Cemetery Without Crosses versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on April 22, 2006, 02:41:25 AM
cwc?   A CONSPIRACY I RECKON


Title: Re: Match 107:Day Of Anger versus Django
Post by: Banjo on April 22, 2006, 02:43:04 AM
Not half! ;)


Title: Re: Match 95:Django Kill versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Banjo on April 22, 2006, 02:44:55 AM
Thank you Indio-i didn't say it was the Zorro! :)


Title: Match 112:Death Rides A Horse versus Hellbenders
Post by: Banjo on April 22, 2006, 04:53:47 AM
DRAH!


Title: Match 113:The Mercenary versus Django Kill
Post by: Banjo on April 22, 2006, 04:55:16 AM
The Mercenary


Title: Re: Match 107:Day Of Anger versus Django
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 22, 2006, 04:56:08 AM
Django


Title: Match 115:Big Gundown versus Hellbenders
Post by: Banjo on April 22, 2006, 04:56:38 AM
Big Gundown


Title: Re: Match 109:Sabata versus Great Silence
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 22, 2006, 04:58:25 AM
TGS  :)


Title: Match 116:Face To Face versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Banjo on April 22, 2006, 04:59:36 AM
Face To Face-more original!


Title: Match 117:Keoma versus Companeros
Post by: Banjo on April 22, 2006, 05:01:22 AM
Companeros-it may drag in places but Keoma drags even more!!


Title: Match 118:Sartana versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: Banjo on April 22, 2006, 05:18:49 AM
Reasons why Sartana is better:-
1.Undisputably cooler-theres no-one in cwc to match Garko and Berger.Its got great atmosphere!
2.A much more challenging and engaging plot than the dull depressing cwc
3.Better action and gun duels in Sartana
4.The opening in Sartana beats cwc and many other hands down
5.Sartana's full of memorable highlights-all i can remember offhand from cwc is a rabbit being cruelly walloped on the head,a very unfunny scene involving a jack-in-the-box,and depressing scenes involving a soppy love-type theme.
6.Sartana is a massive sw landmark leading onto a great series of films whereas cwc is(ok above averaga but) humourless and bleak  similar in style to Great Silence but falling well short of the mark of that classic.If Face To Face is a bad title Firecracker then cwc really takes the biscuit-a cemetery without crosses is just a field ;D
It would have helped if there would have been actors in cwc with similar class and sw credentials to the great Sartana-this is a sw that really needs to be seen!!! :)


Title: Re: Match 118:Sartana versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: Banjo on April 22, 2006, 05:42:42 AM
Who is the anomynous CWC voter i wonder and why? ::)


Title: Re: Match 118:Sartana versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: cigar joe on April 22, 2006, 05:50:52 AM
I don't know who anomynous is but i just voted.


Title: Re: Match 118:Sartana versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: Banjo on April 22, 2006, 05:55:37 AM
We're gonna have to send you a copy of the original Cigar Joe because you can't really judge it by the vastly inferior Sartana Angel of Deaths failings  :-\


Title: Re: Match 118:Sartana versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: Sundance on April 22, 2006, 06:30:52 AM
Who is the anomynous CWC voter i wonder and why? ::)

That was me. ;D But I wonder who the two anonymous cwc voters are in the Nobody vs cwc thread. >:( :P


Title: Re: Match 118:Sartana versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: Banjo on April 22, 2006, 10:31:57 AM
Now that really would be a travesty if Nobody gets defeated-so many great scenes in that movie with fantastic interaction between Hill and Fonda-and not forgetting possibly the best Morricone score.Lets hope the Nobody/Leone addicts don't overlook this potential disaster-its all serious stuff you know! ;D


Title: Re: Match 118:Sartana versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: The Firecracker on April 22, 2006, 11:29:24 AM

6.Sartana is a massive sw landmark leading onto a great series of films whereas cwc is(ok above averaga but) humourless and bleak  similar in style to Great Silence but falling well short of the mark of that classic.If Face To Face is a bad title Firecracker then cwc really takes the biscuit-a cemetery without crosses is just a field ;D



 >:( :P


Banjo are you Shobary in disguise?
You seem to like sws more if they have recognizable faces rather than having quality. ;)


Title: Re: Match 117:Keoma versus Companeros
Post by: The Firecracker on April 22, 2006, 11:39:35 AM
Keoma


Title: Re: Match 116:Face To Face versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 22, 2006, 11:40:03 AM
Face To Face-more original!

agreed.


Title: Re: Match 115:Big Gundown versus Hellbenders
Post by: The Firecracker on April 22, 2006, 11:40:42 AM
hellbenders



Title: Re: Match 107:Day Of Anger versus Django
Post by: The Firecracker on April 22, 2006, 11:42:36 AM
Django


awesome to hear you favor Django over that over hyped film "Day of Anger".


Title: Re: Match 113:The Mercenary versus Django Kill
Post by: The Firecracker on April 22, 2006, 11:43:14 AM
is this a serious poll? ;D


Title: Re: Match 112:Death Rides A Horse versus Hellbenders
Post by: The Firecracker on April 22, 2006, 11:44:13 AM
DRAH!

agreed.


Title: Re: Match 107:Day Of Anger versus Django
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 22, 2006, 11:44:34 AM
well I just feel that overall Django is more entertaining and perhaps is owed a bigger debt in spaghetti western history.


Title: Re: Match 95:Django Kill versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 22, 2006, 11:45:10 AM
zorro is in django kill, but only by name! although a fat man with a parrot dressed as zorro with gay cowboy followers. i'd watch that!! if fact django kill could have dropped that in somewhere.

Actually it sounds like zorro but it is really Sorrow. put on the subtitles.


Title: Re: Match 107:Day Of Anger versus Django
Post by: The Firecracker on April 22, 2006, 11:47:15 AM
well I just feel that overall Django is more entertaining and perhaps is owed a bigger debt in spaghetti western history.


exactly!


Title: Re: Match 110:Cemetery Without Crosses versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on April 22, 2006, 11:48:11 AM
cwc?   A CONSPIRACY I RECKON
;)


its gaining!


Title: Re: Match 111:Sartana versus Return Of Ringo
Post by: The Firecracker on April 22, 2006, 11:49:53 AM
A stimulating and challenging plot!!!


convolted and confusing. Just bad script writing if you ask me.
However it does make you want to watch it multiple times to understand it. So it has became the most watched sw in my house.

Banjo I am waiting for you to start up the reconstruction again.


Title: Re: Match 98:Day Of Anger versus Bullet For The General
Post by: The Firecracker on April 22, 2006, 11:51:43 AM
The atmoshere is still a bit flat initially but this picks up later on! ::)

hardly. the first hour was the best part of the film(especially the Bowie sequence).


Title: Re: Match 113:The Mercenary versus Django Kill
Post by: Tim on April 22, 2006, 12:28:06 PM
  The Mercenary.

  Poor Django Kill.


Title: Re: Match 109:Sabata versus Great Silence
Post by: Tim on April 22, 2006, 12:29:28 PM
 The Great Silence for me.  Just watched it this week, and I had forgotten what a great movie it really is.


Title: Re: Match 109:Sabata versus Great Silence
Post by: cigar joe on April 22, 2006, 10:20:04 PM
tgs


Title: Re: Match 113:The Mercenary versus Django Kill
Post by: cigar joe on April 22, 2006, 10:20:57 PM
tm


Title: Re: Match 98:Day Of Anger versus Bullet For The General
Post by: cigar joe on April 22, 2006, 10:25:22 PM
I agree after Bowie it was down hill, they must have run out of money, no extras, no horses, wagons, and fake looing sets where you can see the studio backlot walls.

ABFTG


Title: Re: Match 107:Day Of Anger versus Django
Post by: cigar joe on April 22, 2006, 10:28:25 PM
yea Django for its historacle value


Title: Re: Match 116:Face To Face versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: cigar joe on April 22, 2006, 10:32:41 PM
ftf tried too hard, DRAH!


Title: Re: Match 115:Big Gundown versus Hellbenders
Post by: cigar joe on April 22, 2006, 10:33:33 PM
tbg


Title: Re: Match 117:Keoma versus Companeros
Post by: cigar joe on April 22, 2006, 10:34:23 PM
companeros


Title: Re: Match 101:The Mercenary versus Great Silence
Post by: cigar joe on April 22, 2006, 10:37:31 PM
mercenary


Title: Re: Match 117:Keoma versus Companeros
Post by: indio on April 23, 2006, 01:36:31 AM
keoma, i've watched it more.


Title: Re: Match 116:Face To Face versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: indio on April 23, 2006, 01:37:05 AM
face to face


Title: Re: Match 115:Big Gundown versus Hellbenders
Post by: indio on April 23, 2006, 01:37:44 AM
the big gundown


Title: Re: Match 95:Django Kill versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: indio on April 23, 2006, 01:55:30 AM
on the uk version it has an interview with the director/writer and he refers to him as zorro.


Title: Re: Match 95:Django Kill versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 23, 2006, 03:39:47 AM
according to my subtitles on my Blue Underground dvd the name is "Sorrow".

strange.


Title: Re: Match 118:Sartana versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 06:28:25 AM
Well i would've given Django the Bastard more than just a measley 10%,Trinity would've got 100% as would The Mercenary and Django.What do you think? ::)
I did make six constructive points apart from the cast with sw credentials comment!


Title: Re: Match 112:Death Rides A Horse versus Hellbenders
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 06:36:47 AM
I'd say apart from Django and Great Silence,Hellbenders is the best pre-Mercenary trilogy Corbucci sw!


Title: Re: Match 110:Cemetery Without Crosses versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 06:37:39 AM
I just don't geddit :-[


Title: Re: Match 111:Sartana versus Return Of Ringo
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 06:39:22 AM
I think so!
A Pistol For Ringo should be in the "B" League when you do it-its a tad better than Return of..


Title: Re: Match 113:The Mercenary versus Django Kill
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 06:44:00 AM
is this a serious poll? ;D
I'm seriously regretting including Django Kill.I took too much notice of those knowledgable chaps who first saw these sws when i was in pampers-nearly 40 years ago ;D


Title: Re: Match 98:Day Of Anger versus Bullet For The General
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 06:45:38 AM
hardly. the first hour was the best part of the film(especially the Bowie sequence).
But there is a long dull period in this movie up until Talby rides into town!


Title: Re: Match 107:Day Of Anger versus Django
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 06:47:49 AM

awesome to hear you favor Django over that over hyped film "Day of Anger".
Actually having been used to the severely butchered cut for so long and having just seen the uncut version it doesn't seem overhyped at all!


Title: Re: Match 112:Death Rides A Horse versus Hellbenders
Post by: indio on April 23, 2006, 08:43:16 AM
i'm not keen


Title: Re: Match 95:Django Kill versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 09:20:30 AM
according to my subtitles on my Blue Underground dvd the name is "Sorrow".

strange.
In Hughes latest book theres a whole chapter devoted to Django Kill-underserved or not-and he is referred to as Zorrow throughout and this is also mentioned in alex Cox's recent intro on the ITV4 screening. ::)
His black clad followers certainly resemble th character in question-minus the mask! ???


Title: Match 119:Sabata versus Django Kill
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 09:21:54 AM
Sabata


Title: Match 120:Return Of Ringo versus Great Silence
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 09:25:14 AM
Return of Ringo- i've been influenced by watching the brilliant Pistol For Ringo yesterday-i really want to see the sequel in widescreen!


Title: Match 121:Big Gundown versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 09:26:50 AM
Big Gundown


Title: Re: Match 121:Big Gundown versus Navajo Joe
Post by: The Firecracker on April 23, 2006, 10:19:30 AM

Navajo Joe(no honest)


Title: Re: Match 120:Return Of Ringo versus Great Silence
Post by: The Firecracker on April 23, 2006, 10:20:17 AM
Return of Ringo- i've been influenced by watching the brilliant Pistol For Ringo yesterday-i really want to see the sequel in widescreen!


glad you liked the original it really is brilliant.

I chose Silence here.


Title: Re: Match 119:Sabata versus Django Kill
Post by: The Firecracker on April 23, 2006, 10:20:45 AM
hey amigo its Sabata!


Title: Re: Match 95:Django Kill versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 23, 2006, 10:22:22 AM

His black clad followers certainly resemble th character in question-minus the mask! ???

no way. Zorro had a cape. and Zorro is not gay! >:(


Title: Re: Match 112:Death Rides A Horse versus Hellbenders
Post by: The Firecracker on April 23, 2006, 10:22:48 AM
i'm not keen

to neither?


Title: Re: Match 95:Django Kill versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 10:23:13 AM
A closet gay? ;D


Title: Re: Match 107:Day Of Anger versus Django
Post by: The Firecracker on April 23, 2006, 10:23:52 AM
Actually having been used to the severely butchered cut for so long and having just seen the uncut version it doesn't seem overhyped at all!

Well that is my take. Cigar Joe agrees with me.


Title: Re: Match 95:Django Kill versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 23, 2006, 10:24:06 AM
A closet gay? ;D

perhaps...
but we dont know for sure!


Title: Re: Match 121:Big Gundown versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 10:24:59 AM
Pull the other ;)
We saw your comment on the other thread! ;D


Title: Re: Match 98:Day Of Anger versus Bullet For The General
Post by: The Firecracker on April 23, 2006, 10:25:15 AM
But there is a long dull period in this movie up until Talby rides into town!
5 minutes?


Title: Re: Match 121:Big Gundown versus Navajo Joe
Post by: The Firecracker on April 23, 2006, 10:25:35 AM
Pull the other ;)
We saw your comment on the other thread! ;D

what other?


Title: Re: Match 111:Sartana versus Return Of Ringo
Post by: The Firecracker on April 23, 2006, 10:26:50 AM
I think so!
A Pistol For Ringo should be in the "B" League when you do it-its a tad better than Return of..

it should have been included here. But I didnt mention it because I already gave you a hard time to squeeze in CWC.


Title: Re: Match 110:Cemetery Without Crosses versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on April 23, 2006, 10:27:12 AM
I just don't geddit :-[
admit you love it!


Title: Re: Match 98:Day Of Anger versus Bullet For The General
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 10:29:04 AM
Must be longer than that-i'll look later!


Title: Re: Match 98:Day Of Anger versus Bullet For The General
Post by: The Firecracker on April 23, 2006, 10:30:22 AM
Must be longer than that-i'll look later!

7 minutes tops.

I like the scenes before Talby arrives. You really start hating the town folk for treating Scot so bad.


Title: Re: Match 118:Sartana versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: The Firecracker on April 23, 2006, 10:31:30 AM
Well i would've given Django the Bastard more than just a measley 10%,Trinity would've got 100% as would The Mercenary and Django.What do you think? ::)
I did make six constructive points apart from the cast with sw credentials comment!

true.


hey Shobary didnt think much of "Forgotten pistolero" either. Of course I hated it more...


Title: Re: Match 98:Day Of Anger versus Bullet For The General
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 10:32:03 AM
Well  those 7 minutes certainly drag :-\


Title: Re: Match 118:Sartana versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 10:32:56 AM
I cudda done that as a red herring ;)


Title: Re: Match 110:Cemetery Without Crosses versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 10:36:55 AM
I love the soundtrack-thats all you're getting :-*


Title: Re: Match 110:Cemetery Without Crosses versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on April 23, 2006, 10:37:30 AM
I love the soundtrack-thats all you're getting :-*

look for a "package" I am sending in the mail...


Title: Re: Match 118:Sartana versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: The Firecracker on April 23, 2006, 10:39:27 AM
I cudda done that as a red herring ;)
the plot thickens...


Title: Re: Match 111:Sartana versus Return Of Ringo
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 10:40:02 AM
I'd never had included anything i hadn't seen myself :(
Its not gonna be easy coming up with a satisfactory list for the B league that a reasonable percentage of us have seen but i think Pistol...  is quite popular!


Title: Re: Match 118:Sartana versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 10:41:35 AM
And i'm the Tooth Fairy as well ;D


Title: Re: Match 111:Sartana versus Return Of Ringo
Post by: The Firecracker on April 23, 2006, 10:42:34 AM
but i think Pistol...  is quite popular!

yes it is well known.


How would you rank Pistol Banjo?
Its in my top thirty.


Title: Re: Match 111:Sartana versus Return Of Ringo
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 10:43:21 AM
Yep in my top 30 too!


Title: Re: Match 118:Sartana versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: The Firecracker on April 23, 2006, 10:43:45 AM
And i'm the Tooth Fairy as well ;D


and Santa Claus(father Christmas) no doubt.


Title: Re: Match 110:Cemetery Without Crosses versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 10:44:32 AM
Not a holy water package,hopefully ;D


Title: Re: Match 110:Cemetery Without Crosses versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on April 23, 2006, 10:45:03 AM
Not a holy water package,hopefully ;D


 ;)


Title: Re: Match 118:Sartana versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 10:45:57 AM
Not the Easter Bunny for obvious reasons with one of the movies discussed here! :'(


Title: Re: Match 119:Sabata versus Django Kill
Post by: Tim on April 23, 2006, 11:48:40 AM
  Sabata definitely.

  Hey, banjo, any reason the Sabata sequels aren't included in your polls?  I've haven't seen "Return" but I'm a big fan of Adios Sabata with Brynner.


Title: Re: Match 111:Sartana versus Return Of Ringo
Post by: Marco Leone on April 23, 2006, 11:48:44 AM
Pistol is not as good as Return, but still great.  And the Christmas setting is cool.


Title: Re: Match 119:Sabata versus Django Kill
Post by: Marco Leone on April 23, 2006, 11:49:22 AM
For me, its Django Kill


Title: Re: Match 121:Big Gundown versus Navajo Joe
Post by: cigar joe on April 23, 2006, 12:42:34 PM
tbg


Title: Re: Match 119:Sabata versus Django Kill
Post by: The Firecracker on April 23, 2006, 01:30:03 PM
  Sabata definitely.

  Hey, banjo, any reason the Sabata sequels aren't included in your polls?  I've haven't seen "Return" but I'm a big fan of Adios Sabata with Brynner.


personally, I think the sequels to sabata are awful including "Adios Sabata". I like Lee Van Cleefs performance in "Return" though (which is why I watch it every 6 months or so...).


Title: Re: Match 111:Sartana versus Return Of Ringo
Post by: The Firecracker on April 23, 2006, 01:31:56 PM
  And the Christmas setting is cool.


yes it gives it a nice touch.

It is one of those spaghetti westerns that is enhanced when you watch it during the holiday season.


"Jonathan of the Bears" is also a good thanksgiving movie(the indians I suppose).


Title: Re: Match 119:Sabata versus Django Kill
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 23, 2006, 05:34:51 PM
Django Kill, just don't like Sabata (broken record etc etc  ;D )


Title: Re: Match 121:Big Gundown versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 23, 2006, 05:35:32 PM
Big Gundown


Title: Re: Match 119:Sabata versus Django Kill
Post by: The Firecracker on April 23, 2006, 07:05:01 PM
Django Kill, just don't like Sabata (broken record etc etc  ;D )


I knew you hated Sabata but jeez :o


Title: Re: Match 121:Big Gundown versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Banjo on April 24, 2006, 05:10:46 PM
what other?
The comment about you doing everyhing in your power to make Nav Joe finish above Django Kill ;D


Title: Re: Match 119:Sabata versus Django Kill
Post by: Banjo on April 24, 2006, 05:12:51 PM

I knew you hated Sabata but jeez :o
Are you sure LA will join you and gang up on me over CWC? ;D


Title: Re: Match 119:Sabata versus Django Kill
Post by: The Firecracker on April 24, 2006, 05:18:20 PM
Are you sure LA will join you and gang up on me over CWC? ;D
I am almost sure.

CWC is so Leone esq he is bound to like it.


Title: Re: Match 121:Big Gundown versus Navajo Joe
Post by: The Firecracker on April 24, 2006, 05:19:39 PM
The comment about you doing everyhing in your power to make Nav Joe finish above Django Kill ;D

I think I am doing a fine job with it to ;)


Title: Re: Match 119:Sabata versus Django Kill
Post by: Banjo on April 24, 2006, 05:31:11 PM
I disagree(Leone oozed humour) but we don't really wanna go there again,do we?I get bored of all this attention to detail stuff-why not buy a picture book and not bother with a movie-much more interested in a cool,fun sw ,with a Morricone score and lots of great action-like GBU in fact!Where are the great Leone-esque set pieces in CWC?

Corbucci was best with all this bleak stuff anyway!


Title: Re: Match 119:Sabata versus Django Kill
Post by: The Firecracker on April 24, 2006, 05:35:26 PM
I disagree(Leone oozed humour) but we don't really wanna go there again,do we?I get bored of all this attention to detail stuff-why not buy a picture book and not bother with a movie-much more interested in a cool,fun sw ,with a Morricone score and lots of great action-like GBU in fact!Where are the great Leone-esque set pieces in CWC?



we shall just have to agree to disagree. Becuase I am just gonna give you the same old story.


He'll like it. thats all that matters in this discussion.


Title: Re: Match 119:Sabata versus Django Kill
Post by: Banjo on April 24, 2006, 05:56:57 PM
I'm not expecting him to dislike it! ::)


Title: Re: Match 119:Sabata versus Django Kill
Post by: The Firecracker on April 24, 2006, 05:57:51 PM
I'm not expecting him to dislike it! ::)

he'll LOVE it you'll see!


Title: Re: Match 119:Sabata versus Django Kill
Post by: Banjo on April 24, 2006, 06:00:22 PM
I think you're right considering he rates Great Silence as his best non-Leone sw!Its down that alley!


Title: Re: Match 119:Sabata versus Django Kill
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 25, 2006, 04:33:58 AM
That I do! Hmm, I must see CWC now to close this argument.


Title: Match 122:Day Of Anger versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: Banjo on April 25, 2006, 04:51:31 PM
The Leonesque DOA!


Title: Match 123:Death Rides A Horse versus Price Of Power
Post by: Banjo on April 25, 2006, 04:53:13 PM
DRAH


Title: Match 124:Face To Face versus Sartana
Post by: Banjo on April 25, 2006, 04:54:38 PM
Sartana


Title: Match 125:My Name Is Nobody versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Banjo on April 25, 2006, 04:56:06 PM
Nobody


Title: Match 126:Bullet For The General versus Keoma
Post by: Banjo on April 25, 2006, 04:57:38 PM
Keoma!


Title: Match 127:The Mercenary versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: Banjo on April 25, 2006, 04:59:02 PM
Trinity!


Title: Match 128:Django versus Companeros
Post by: Banjo on April 25, 2006, 05:00:21 PM
Django


Title: Match 129:Hellbenders versus Sabata
Post by: Banjo on April 25, 2006, 05:01:44 PM
C'est  Sabata! ;D


Title: Match 130:Django Kill versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Banjo on April 25, 2006, 05:03:05 PM
Navajo Joe


Title: Re: Match 119:Sabata versus Django Kill
Post by: Banjo on April 25, 2006, 05:13:24 PM
Just remember which sides your breads buttered! ;)


Title: Re: Match 130:Django Kill versus Navajo Joe
Post by: The Firecracker on April 25, 2006, 05:21:02 PM
Navajo Joe

that is the obvious.


Title: Re: Match 129:Hellbenders versus Sabata
Post by: The Firecracker on April 25, 2006, 05:23:46 PM
Hellbenders.


Title: Re: Match 128:Django versus Companeros
Post by: The Firecracker on April 25, 2006, 05:24:24 PM
Django never holds up(except for one scene)
Unlike Companeros.


Title: Re: Match 127:The Mercenary versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: The Firecracker on April 25, 2006, 05:24:48 PM
Mercenary.


Title: Re: Match 126:Bullet For The General versus Keoma
Post by: The Firecracker on April 25, 2006, 05:25:08 PM
Keoma!

agreed.


Title: Re: Match 125:My Name Is Nobody versus Navajo Joe
Post by: The Firecracker on April 25, 2006, 05:25:29 PM
Nobody
the same.


Title: Re: Match 124:Face To Face versus Sartana
Post by: The Firecracker on April 25, 2006, 05:26:02 PM
I'll go with Face to Face.


Title: Re: Match 123:Death Rides A Horse versus Price Of Power
Post by: The Firecracker on April 25, 2006, 05:27:09 PM
DRAH


ya.


Title: Re: Match 122:Day Of Anger versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: The Firecracker on April 25, 2006, 05:27:49 PM
the even MORE Leone esq CWC.


Title: Re: Match 126:Bullet For The General versus Keoma
Post by: cigar joe on April 25, 2006, 10:17:38 PM
I'm in a ABFTG mood  ;D


Title: Re: Match 127:The Mercenary versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: cigar joe on April 25, 2006, 10:18:20 PM
TM


Title: Re: Match 128:Django versus Companeros
Post by: cigar joe on April 25, 2006, 10:19:22 PM
c


Title: Re: Match 128:Django versus Companeros
Post by: The Firecracker on April 25, 2006, 11:21:53 PM
c

getting lazy are we?  ;D


Title: Re: Match 128:Django versus Companeros
Post by: cigar joe on April 25, 2006, 11:51:49 PM
yes


Title: Re: Match 128:Django versus Companeros
Post by: indio on April 26, 2006, 12:03:17 AM
this is a hard one again, django is classic, iconic and set the ball rolloing for future westerns, companeros did not but i love the latter. its fun it has all the elements of a great 'buddy' movie and most importantly it has jack palance with a wooden hand and a bird called marsha


Title: Re: Match 128:Django versus Companeros
Post by: Banjo on April 26, 2006, 05:36:52 AM
I voted for Django over Companeros,very close as Indio says, because i'm starting to beilieve it can win :)


Title: Match 131:Return Of Ringo versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: Banjo on April 26, 2006, 05:58:41 AM
Return of Ringo,better storyline and script,the brilliant cast is carried forward from the wonderful Pistol For Ringo,pleasant little Morricone score and a welcome feel good factor at the end-i'm trying to imagine for me how great this would be in widescreen!


Title: Match 132:Day Of Anger versus Sartana
Post by: Banjo on April 26, 2006, 06:02:21 AM
I've been transformed into liking DOA alot-but not enough to prefer it over the infinately more original and cooler Sartana.This movie is so pumped up with atmosphere that it makes up for what DOA lacks in this department!


Title: Match 133:Great Silence versus Django
Post by: Banjo on April 26, 2006, 06:08:55 AM
C'mon i know Django can win this!!!
Corbucci may have swapped over the more pleasing to the eye snow for the mudbath but it lacks substance and Silence played by that wimpy Frenchman is no match for Mr Nero.And keep crappy love themes to love story movies-i'm glad Loco blows Silence away in the end!


Title: Match 134:Companeros versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Banjo on April 26, 2006, 06:29:01 AM
Petroni's best DRAH!


Title: Match 135:Face To Face versus The Mercenary
Post by: Banjo on April 26, 2006, 06:30:49 AM
Corbucci's best The Mercenary!


Title: Re: Match 135:Face To Face versus The Mercenary
Post by: cigar joe on April 26, 2006, 06:46:47 AM
tm


Title: Re: Match 134:Companeros versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: cigar joe on April 26, 2006, 06:47:14 AM
drah


Title: Re: Match 133:Great Silence versus Django
Post by: cigar joe on April 26, 2006, 06:47:51 AM
tgs


Title: Re: Match 133:Great Silence versus Django
Post by: Marco Leone on April 26, 2006, 08:11:53 AM
Its a tough one, but I had to go for Silence... just!


Title: Re: Match 133:Great Silence versus Django
Post by: Tim on April 26, 2006, 10:25:02 AM
  The Great Silence.


Title: Re: Match 125:My Name Is Nobody versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Tim on April 26, 2006, 10:41:13 AM
  Nobody, but NJ is good.  Just seems to be meeting up with some tough match-ups.


Title: Re: Match 130:Django Kill versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Tim on April 26, 2006, 10:41:42 AM
  Make it three for NJ.


Title: Re: Match 130:Django Kill versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Marco Leone on April 26, 2006, 11:43:34 AM
I do love the morbid and bizarre Django Kill


Title: Re: Match 125:My Name Is Nobody versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Marco Leone on April 26, 2006, 11:44:05 AM
The Joe wins it for me (even if this is a Leone site!)


Title: Re: Match 134:Companeros versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Marco Leone on April 26, 2006, 11:44:53 AM
Its tough, I battled with my conscience and went for Corbucci's classic


Title: Re: Match 135:Face To Face versus The Mercenary
Post by: Marco Leone on April 26, 2006, 11:45:20 AM
Face to Face - fantastic film.


Title: Re: Match 132:Day Of Anger versus Sartana
Post by: Marco Leone on April 26, 2006, 11:45:48 AM
As a new convert to Day of Anger's cause, I had to vote for it!


Title: Re: Match 132:Day Of Anger versus Sartana
Post by: The Firecracker on April 26, 2006, 11:46:26 AM
Sartana!


Title: Re: Match 131:Return Of Ringo versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: Marco Leone on April 26, 2006, 11:46:30 AM
Another toughie - I've only seen both films once, but Ihad to go for ol' Angel Face Ringo.  Just.


Title: Re: Match 135:Face To Face versus The Mercenary
Post by: The Firecracker on April 26, 2006, 11:46:43 AM
Corbucci's best The Mercenary!

yep!


Title: Re: Match 128:Django versus Companeros
Post by: Marco Leone on April 26, 2006, 11:47:09 AM
Just..... Django.


Title: Re: Match 131:Return Of Ringo versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: The Firecracker on April 26, 2006, 11:47:21 AM
CWC.


Title: Re: Match 134:Companeros versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 26, 2006, 11:48:06 AM
Death Rides a horse.


Title: Re: Match 133:Great Silence versus Django
Post by: The Firecracker on April 26, 2006, 11:50:08 AM
.And keep crappy love themes to love story movies-


well there is Maria to contend with in Django. Fortunatly she is more eye candy than anything else.


Title: Re: Match 133:Great Silence versus Django
Post by: indio on April 26, 2006, 12:07:51 PM
django for me.


Title: Re: Match 128:Django versus Companeros
Post by: The Firecracker on April 26, 2006, 12:48:02 PM
I voted for Django over Companeros,very close as Indio says, because i'm starting to beilieve it can win :)


Django deserves to win!!


Title: Re: Match 133:Great Silence versus Django
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 26, 2006, 04:25:56 PM
Me too.


Title: Re: Match 134:Companeros versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 26, 2006, 04:26:22 PM
Death Rides a Horse.


Title: Re: Match 126:Bullet For The General versus Keoma
Post by: indio on April 27, 2006, 01:32:35 AM
keoma but only just


Title: Match 136:Price of Power versus Run Man Run
Post by: Banjo on April 27, 2006, 03:39:56 AM
RMR


Title: Match 137:They Call Me Trinity versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on April 27, 2006, 03:44:54 AM
The Terence Hill slapstick scenes in Nobody were a pale imitation of the hilarious Trinity blueprint-and it definately misses Bud Spencer as Bambino as Nobodys foil because Fonda looked ill at ease with Hills Trinityisms!!


Title: Match 138:Big Gundown versus Sabata
Post by: Banjo on April 27, 2006, 03:46:17 AM
Sabata


Title: Match 139:Bullet For The General versus Hellbenders
Post by: Banjo on April 27, 2006, 03:47:51 AM
BFTG just!


Title: Match 140:Django Kill versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: Banjo on April 27, 2006, 03:49:58 AM
More Corbucci than Leone but i say CWC ;)


Title: Re: Match 140:Django Kill versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: cigar joe on April 27, 2006, 05:39:20 AM
cwc


Title: Re: Match 140:Django Kill versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: Marco Leone on April 27, 2006, 07:32:47 AM
I am nearly alone in my fight for Django Kill.  :D


Title: Re: Match 139:Bullet For The General versus Hellbenders
Post by: Marco Leone on April 27, 2006, 07:33:36 AM
There are not toomany that could fight off Hellbenders for me.  B4G is great, but not great enough.


Title: Re: Match 138:Big Gundown versus Sabata
Post by: Marco Leone on April 27, 2006, 07:34:00 AM
Big Gundown


Title: Re: Match 137:They Call Me Trinity versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Marco Leone on April 27, 2006, 07:34:49 AM
Although too long, and with some of the slapstick gratign on me, I love the feel of Nobody


Title: Re: Match 137:They Call Me Trinity versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on April 27, 2006, 10:57:58 AM
Nobody.


Title: Re: Match 138:Big Gundown versus Sabata
Post by: The Firecracker on April 27, 2006, 10:58:21 AM
Sabata

yep.


Title: Re: Match 139:Bullet For The General versus Hellbenders
Post by: The Firecracker on April 27, 2006, 10:59:09 AM
tough call, but I went with "Bullet".


Title: Re: Match 140:Django Kill versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: The Firecracker on April 27, 2006, 10:59:58 AM
More Corbucci than Leone but i say CWC ;)


about damn time. thats the first time you voted for it. >:( ;D


Title: Re: Match 136:Price of Power versus Run Man Run
Post by: The Firecracker on April 27, 2006, 11:02:26 AM
RMR

yeah I went with Milian as well.


Title: Re: Match 140:Django Kill versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: Banjo on April 27, 2006, 06:05:24 PM
Well now you know whats come 21st in my personal league ;)


Title: Re: Match 137:They Call Me Trinity versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Tim on April 27, 2006, 11:49:18 PM
  Nobody.  I've never been a big fan of comedy westerns, but I do like Hill and Spencer.


Title: Match 141:Navajo Joe versus Day Of Anger
Post by: Banjo on April 28, 2006, 07:07:01 AM
DOA


Title: Match 142:Return Of Ringo versus Face To Face
Post by: Banjo on April 28, 2006, 07:08:37 AM
FTF


Title: Match 143:Sartana versus Companeros
Post by: Banjo on April 28, 2006, 07:10:06 AM
Never a dull moment in Sartana!


Title: Match 144:Great Silence versus Keoma
Post by: Banjo on April 28, 2006, 07:12:05 AM
Too vaguely similar looking characters BUT Keoma wudda kicked Silence's ass anyday!


Title: Match 145:Django versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Banjo on April 28, 2006, 07:14:33 AM
I'm not going to vote for some FAFDM remake in favour of the great DJANGO!!!
Django to win ;D


Title: Re: Match 137:They Call Me Trinity versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on April 28, 2006, 07:19:48 AM
  Nobody.  I've never been a big fan of comedy westerns, but I do like Hill and Spencer.
Hope you voted correctly :-\,Spencers only in Trinity!


Title: Re: Match 145:Django versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 28, 2006, 11:25:43 AM
I would have voted Django anyway but I really want Django to win. That would be a great honor.


Title: Re: Match 144:Great Silence versus Keoma
Post by: The Firecracker on April 28, 2006, 11:26:12 AM
Too vaguely similar looking characters BUT Keoma wudda kicked Silence's ass anyday!

probably right but I went with Silence.


Title: Re: Match 143:Sartana versus Companeros
Post by: The Firecracker on April 28, 2006, 11:26:35 AM
Never a dull moment in Sartana!


exactly my thoughts.


Title: Re: Match 142:Return Of Ringo versus Face To Face
Post by: The Firecracker on April 28, 2006, 11:26:53 AM
FTF


I suppose so...


Title: Re: Match 141:Navajo Joe versus Day Of Anger
Post by: The Firecracker on April 28, 2006, 11:27:18 AM
DOA


NJ(not New jersey!)


Title: Re: Match 145:Django versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Tim on April 29, 2006, 12:40:53 AM
  DRAH for me. 


Title: Re: Match 137:They Call Me Trinity versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Tim on April 29, 2006, 12:42:05 AM
  Yeah, I got it right.  I just meant to say that I like Hill and Spencer in general, not necessarily in Trinity.  My bad.   ;D


Title: Re: Match 145:Django versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 29, 2006, 12:46:59 AM
  DRAH for me. 
wow thank God you brought this back up Tim, I forgot to vote this morning! :o


Title: Re: Match 141:Navajo Joe versus Day Of Anger
Post by: Banjo on April 29, 2006, 07:41:14 AM
Do people from New Jersey have some sorta reputation Firecracker?The reason i ask this is because one of my favourite folk artists John Gorka comes from there and on one of his albums is a song called I'm From New Jersey which is some to of retort it seems!


Title: Match 146:Django Kill versus Hellbenders
Post by: Banjo on April 29, 2006, 10:48:45 AM
Hellbenders


Title: Match 147:Sartana versus Price Of Power
Post by: Banjo on April 29, 2006, 10:49:54 AM
Sartana


Title: Match 148:Return of Ringo versus Django
Post by: Banjo on April 29, 2006, 10:51:28 AM
Django


Title: Match 149:Run Man Man versus Big Gundown
Post by: Banjo on April 29, 2006, 10:52:55 AM
Run Man Run


Title: Match 150:Bullet For The General versus Run Man Run
Post by: Banjo on April 29, 2006, 10:54:21 AM
Run Man Run


Title: Re: Match 150:Bullet For The General versus Run Man Run
Post by: The Firecracker on April 29, 2006, 10:58:36 AM
Bullet


Title: Re: Match 149:Run Man Man versus Big Gundown
Post by: The Firecracker on April 29, 2006, 10:59:08 AM
Big Gundown


Title: Re: Match 148:Return of Ringo versus Django
Post by: The Firecracker on April 29, 2006, 10:59:42 AM
Django

of course.


Title: Re: Match 147:Sartana versus Price Of Power
Post by: The Firecracker on April 29, 2006, 11:00:34 AM
Sartana

no arguement there.


Title: Re: Match 146:Django Kill versus Hellbenders
Post by: The Firecracker on April 29, 2006, 11:08:40 AM
Hellbenders

hellbenders for me as well.


Title: Re: Match 141:Navajo Joe versus Day Of Anger
Post by: The Firecracker on April 29, 2006, 11:16:50 AM
Do people from New Jersey have some sorta reputation Firecracker?The reason i ask this is because one of my favourite folk artists John Gorka comes from there and on one of his albums is a song called I'm From New Jersey which is some to of retort it seems!

There is a conception that goes on around this side of the world, where if you live in the Bronx you are a hard-ass. If you were born and raised in Brooklyn your a "bad ass mofo" ::)

if you were born and raised in Jersey I am not sure what that makes you...but I am sure you wont be classified as a "bad ass mofo". Only a select few get that title. ;D


Title: Match 151:Keoma versus The Mercenary
Post by: Banjo on April 30, 2006, 07:06:34 AM
My heart tells me Django's the winner overall,but my head tells me The Mercenary!


Title: Match 152:Companeros versus Sabata
Post by: Banjo on April 30, 2006, 07:08:06 AM
Sabata


Title: Match 153:The Mercenary versus Price Of Power
Post by: Banjo on April 30, 2006, 07:09:30 AM
THE MERCENARY!!!


Title: Match 154:Bullet For The General versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Banjo on April 30, 2006, 07:11:14 AM
DRAH


Title: Match 155:My Name Is Nobody versus Day Of Anger
Post by: Banjo on April 30, 2006, 07:12:45 AM
At the moment i'm a big DOA convert so thats how i voted!


Title: Match 156:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Run Man Run
Post by: Banjo on April 30, 2006, 07:50:44 AM
Solimas GBU - RUN MAN RUN!!!


Title: Match 157:Hellbenders versus Face To Face
Post by: Banjo on April 30, 2006, 07:51:50 AM
FTF


Title: Match 158:Sartana versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on April 30, 2006, 07:53:29 AM
The cool original Sartana rather than the retro Nobody!


Title: Match 159:They Call Me Trinity versus Django Kill
Post by: Banjo on April 30, 2006, 07:55:34 AM
Thumbs down to Zorrow(or Sorrow!) and co :(


Title: Re: Match 159:They Call Me Trinity versus Django Kill
Post by: The Firecracker on April 30, 2006, 09:24:33 AM
Trinity gets my vote.

Vampire bats or not.


Title: Re: Match 158:Sartana versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on April 30, 2006, 09:25:02 AM
Nobody.


Title: Re: Match 156:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Run Man Run
Post by: The Firecracker on April 30, 2006, 09:25:22 AM
Solimas GBU - RUN MAN RUN!!!

nope


Title: Re: Match 157:Hellbenders versus Face To Face
Post by: The Firecracker on April 30, 2006, 10:56:47 AM
FTF

agreed (sorry Juan Miranda).


Title: Re: Match 155:My Name Is Nobody versus Day Of Anger
Post by: The Firecracker on April 30, 2006, 10:57:28 AM
At the moment i'm a big DOA convert so thats how i voted!

I regret giving you the Wild east dvd. ;D


Title: Re: Match 154:Bullet For The General versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 30, 2006, 10:58:02 AM
DRAH


agreed.


Title: Re: Match 153:The Mercenary versus Price Of Power
Post by: The Firecracker on April 30, 2006, 10:58:31 AM
THE MERCENARY!!!

Yep.


Title: Re: Match 152:Companeros versus Sabata
Post by: The Firecracker on April 30, 2006, 10:59:45 AM
Sabata

Actually saw Sabata last night again and I enjoyed it a lot more the second time. So I voted for it.


Title: Re: Match 151:Keoma versus The Mercenary
Post by: The Firecracker on April 30, 2006, 11:00:57 AM
My heart tells me Django's the winner overall,but my head tells me The Mercenary!


But this was a poll between Mercenary and Keoma. Not Django and Mercenary ???


Title: Re: Match 151:Keoma versus The Mercenary
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 30, 2006, 12:34:04 PM
Yeh what's up with that?


Title: Re: Match 154:Bullet For The General versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 30, 2006, 12:35:57 PM
DRAH is much more enjoyable than BFTG and it feels more like a Leone western than a Sollima or Corbucci film.


Title: Re: Match 154:Bullet For The General versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 30, 2006, 06:02:54 PM
Agreed DRAH


Title: Re: Match 152:Companeros versus Sabata
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 30, 2006, 06:03:29 PM
Companeros, you know why...  ;D


Title: Re: Match 155:My Name Is Nobody versus Day Of Anger
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 30, 2006, 06:03:50 PM
Nobody


Title: Re: Match 148:Return of Ringo versus Django
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 30, 2006, 06:04:46 PM
Django


Title: Re: Match 149:Run Man Man versus Big Gundown
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 30, 2006, 06:05:30 PM
Run Man Run


Title: Re: Match 145:Django versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 30, 2006, 06:05:57 PM
Django


Title: Re: Match 144:Great Silence versus Keoma
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 30, 2006, 06:06:35 PM
Silence hs to be, no question


Title: Re: Match 138:Big Gundown versus Sabata
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 30, 2006, 06:15:44 PM
Big Gundown  ;)  ;D


Title: Re: Match 154:Bullet For The General versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: cigar joe on April 30, 2006, 07:43:01 PM
DRAH


Title: Re: Match 151:Keoma versus The Mercenary
Post by: cigar joe on April 30, 2006, 07:49:11 PM
When will this poll end  :-\


Title: Re: Match 153:The Mercenary versus Price Of Power
Post by: cigar joe on April 30, 2006, 07:54:56 PM
TM


Title: Re: Match 144:Great Silence versus Keoma
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 30, 2006, 08:27:53 PM
In the words of Silence:







Need I say I more?  ;D
I pick Silence!


Title: Re: Match 151:Keoma versus The Mercenary
Post by: The Firecracker on April 30, 2006, 09:31:16 PM
Yeh what's up with that?

Maybe he means Keoma is similar to Django? Or maybe he just screwed up.


Title: Re: Match 151:Keoma versus The Mercenary
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 30, 2006, 09:32:26 PM
Am I the only person who voted for Keoma?


Title: Re: Match 151:Keoma versus The Mercenary
Post by: The Firecracker on April 30, 2006, 09:36:54 PM
Am I the only person who voted for Keoma?

Yeah I voted for Mercenary.


Title: Re: Match 145:Django versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 30, 2006, 09:40:29 PM
Django


Title: Re: Match 159:They Call Me Trinity versus Django Kill
Post by: Tim on April 30, 2006, 10:58:23 PM
  First time I'm voting for Django Kill.  I'm just not a big fan of the comedy spaghettis.


Title: Re: Match 152:Companeros versus Sabata
Post by: Banjo on May 01, 2006, 05:50:01 AM
Actually saw Sabata last night again and I enjoyed it a lot more the second time. So I voted for it.
Maybe Leone Admirer should do the same ;)


Title: Re: Match 151:Keoma versus The Mercenary
Post by: Banjo on May 01, 2006, 05:58:19 AM
When will this poll end  :-\
Each films got about another half dozen matches to play CJ,i'll try and do a league table update this week!


Title: Re: Match 152:Companeros versus Sabata
Post by: Leone Admirer on May 01, 2006, 08:33:12 AM
I won't subject myself back to the horrors that is Sabata!  ;D


Title: Re: Match 145:Django versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: The Firecracker on May 01, 2006, 02:01:05 PM
So how is Django doing? will it win the overall league or not?


Title: Re: Match 145:Django versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: franksgrandson on May 01, 2006, 04:58:56 PM
I voted Django, like this movie lots Nero while not a great actor is a solid one


Title: Match 161:Navajo Joe versus Companeros
Post by: Banjo on May 02, 2006, 05:08:26 AM
Companeros


Title: Match 162:Django versus Hellbenders
Post by: Banjo on May 02, 2006, 05:09:36 AM
Django


Title: Match 163:Price Of Power versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on May 02, 2006, 05:10:53 AM
Nobody


Title: Match 164:The Mercenary versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: Banjo on May 02, 2006, 05:12:11 AM
Mercenary


Title: Match 165:Sabata versus Day Of Anger
Post by: Banjo on May 02, 2006, 05:13:23 AM
Sabata


Title: Re: Match 165:Sabata versus Day Of Anger
Post by: cigar joe on May 02, 2006, 05:52:16 AM
doa


Title: Re: Match 164:The Mercenary versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: cigar joe on May 02, 2006, 05:52:39 AM
tm


Title: Re: Match 151:Keoma versus The Mercenary
Post by: cigar joe on May 02, 2006, 05:58:23 AM
ponderous man, ponderous


Title: Re: Match 157:Hellbenders versus Face To Face
Post by: Marco Leone on May 02, 2006, 08:07:15 AM
Ah my beloved Hellbenders


Title: Re: Match 164:The Mercenary versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: The Firecracker on May 02, 2006, 11:03:11 AM
Wow. who are the Two anonymous voters for CWC? I would be honored to shake their hand.  :)


Title: Re: Match 165:Sabata versus Day Of Anger
Post by: The Firecracker on May 02, 2006, 11:03:52 AM
Sabata. While it has a few flaws, DOA has many!


Title: Re: Match 163:Price Of Power versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on May 02, 2006, 11:04:10 AM
Nobody

Of course.



Title: Re: Match 162:Django versus Hellbenders
Post by: The Firecracker on May 02, 2006, 11:06:08 AM
Django

yep.

So will Django win?


Title: Re: Match 161:Navajo Joe versus Companeros
Post by: The Firecracker on May 02, 2006, 11:06:26 AM
Companeros

the same.


Title: Re: Match 164:The Mercenary versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: Banjo on May 02, 2006, 11:21:11 AM
Do you honestly think CWC is the better sw?


Title: Re: Match 164:The Mercenary versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: The Firecracker on May 02, 2006, 11:26:01 AM
Do you honestly think CWC is the better sw?

I most certainly do. That is why i voted. Yes I watch Mercenary more often because it is obviously more action oriented and is a good popcorn flick. But CWC is the better film cinema wise.


Title: Re: Match 164:The Mercenary versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: Banjo on May 02, 2006, 11:38:15 AM
So where would CWC come in your personal top 21 of these sw's?


Title: Re: Match 164:The Mercenary versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: The Firecracker on May 02, 2006, 11:39:29 AM
So where would CWC come in your personal top 21 of these sw's?

Not Including leone?


you will hate me for this but...



























































#1


Title: Re: Match 164:The Mercenary versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: Banjo on May 02, 2006, 03:57:18 PM
That surprises me alot to say the least.I always got the opinion that you prefered the fun Dollar trilogy end of Leones cannon rather than the more downbeat introspective later stuff-and if you must compare CWC it would have to be with the gloomier stuff. :-\
Sorry i have to be predictable and say my faves are the Mercenary,Django,Run Man Run,Sabata and Sartana.Much closer to Clint & co which obviously started me off on these sw's!


Title: Re: Match 164:The Mercenary versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: The Firecracker on May 02, 2006, 05:39:31 PM

 Mercenary,Django,Run Man Run,Sabata and Sartana.

Those titles would be my fav picks as well after CWC (except "Run Man Run" and "Sabata").

I love the Dollars trilogy especially the last two because those are in their own way perfect little gems of cinema. More so FAFDM for its tighter story. "Fistful of dollars" is a fun film but not one I revisit often because of its many faults.

However I cannot help but be pulled closer by the darker stuff such as "Duck you sucker" and "Once upon a time in the west".
These two, though sometimes a bit two slow are what really sink into my ribs leaving me with many emotions. There isnt a thought in my mind that those two films are masterpieces.

Not leaving out the last two of the dollars trilogy of course. Though GBU is more of a masterpiece than FAFDM.

as for non-leone spaghetti westerns, the feel of Leone's last two westerns is hard to find and when it is attempted it usually fails miserbale. Which is why I go for the fun stuff Sartana, Django, Sabata, etc etc. However CWC is a nice dark gem that ALMOST captures what Leone did with his last two western outtings. Making it my favorite.


Title: Re: Match 161:Navajo Joe versus Companeros
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 02, 2006, 05:43:53 PM
vamos a matar, companero


Title: Re: Match 164:The Mercenary versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: Banjo on May 03, 2006, 06:18:18 AM
These two, though sometimes a bit two slow are what really sink into my ribs leaving me with many emotions. There isnt a thought in my mind that those two films are masterpieces.
I too was moved by the performances of Coburn and Steiger in DYS mainly because despite the nature of their characters being despicable i was able to warm to them due to the power of their performances and some key  scenes-eg Sean Mallory in the rain having flashbacks while witnessing the firing squad and Juan finding his dead sons in the caves.
To me theres just nothing comparable to those scenes in CWC and none of the characters are charismatic or even particularly likeable.I was quite glad when the widow was finally put out of her misery-boy was she tiresome!
 I'd be interested to know which scenes in CWC affected you in such a profound way.


Title: Match 166:Django Kill versus Bullet For The General
Post by: Banjo on May 03, 2006, 07:08:04 AM
BFTG


Title: Match 167:They Call Me Trinity versus Return Of Ringo
Post by: Banjo on May 03, 2006, 07:08:55 AM
Trinity


Title: Match 168:Run Man Run versus Great Silence
Post by: Banjo on May 03, 2006, 07:09:37 AM
RMR


Title: Match 169:Keoma versus Price Of Power
Post by: Banjo on May 03, 2006, 07:10:25 AM
Keoma


Title: Match 170:Face To Face versus Companeros
Post by: Banjo on May 03, 2006, 07:11:05 AM
Companeros


Title: Re: Match 170:Face To Face versus Companeros
Post by: The Firecracker on May 03, 2006, 11:15:36 AM
Companeros

Yes.


Title: Re: Match 169:Keoma versus Price Of Power
Post by: The Firecracker on May 03, 2006, 11:16:07 AM
Keoma

Is that the first time you voted for it?

I voted keoma as well.


Title: Re: Match 168:Run Man Run versus Great Silence
Post by: The Firecracker on May 03, 2006, 11:16:32 AM
RMR

You gotta be kidding ::)


Title: Re: Match 167:They Call Me Trinity versus Return Of Ringo
Post by: The Firecracker on May 03, 2006, 11:16:57 AM
Trinity

I'll give it to Trinity THIS TIME.


Title: Re: Match 166:Django Kill versus Bullet For The General
Post by: The Firecracker on May 03, 2006, 11:17:17 AM
BFTG

Of course!


Title: Re: Match 164:The Mercenary versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: The Firecracker on May 03, 2006, 11:25:42 AM
I too was moved by the performances of Coburn and Steiger in DYS mainly because despite the nature of their characters being despicable i was able to warm to them due to the power of their performances and some key  scenes-eg Sean Mallory in the rain having flashbacks while witnessing the firing squad and Juan finding his dead sons in the caves.
To me theres just nothing comparable to those scenes in CWC and none of the characters are charismatic or even particularly likeable.I was quite glad when the widow was finally put out of her misery-boy was she tiresome!
 I'd be interested to know which scenes in CWC affected you in such a profound way.



Well I will never be moved by CWC the way I am moved by "Duck you sucker". But here is a quick example.


SPOILERS!!!!

the scene where the "heroes" capture the big ranchers daughter and allow the two brothers to rape her inside the saloon is amazing! You never see the rape itself, you are outside with the Widow and her hired killer as they both look at each other. The music hear is tremendous and the setup is wonderful.

also the end itself arouses many questions, did the big ranchers daughter fall for Miguel? Or did she just come back to kill him. She sure did hesitate awhile before killing him, and I think she was there the whole time when he killed her father and brothers.


Title: Re: Match 168:Run Man Run versus Great Silence
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 03, 2006, 05:11:49 PM
Sorry Firecracker but I got to go with Banjo on this one!


Title: Re: Match 168:Run Man Run versus Great Silence
Post by: The Firecracker on May 03, 2006, 05:19:09 PM
Sorry Firecracker but I got to go with Banjo on this one!

its a conspiracy :o I tells ya!


Title: Re: Match 168:Run Man Run versus Great Silence
Post by: cigar joe on May 03, 2006, 09:00:54 PM
me too rmr


Title: Re: Match 166:Django Kill versus Bullet For The General
Post by: cigar joe on May 03, 2006, 09:03:30 PM
bftg


Title: Re: Match 169:Keoma versus Price Of Power
Post by: cigar joe on May 03, 2006, 09:04:10 PM
K


Title: Re: Match 170:Face To Face versus Companeros
Post by: cigar joe on May 03, 2006, 09:04:45 PM
c


Title: Match 171:Cemetery With Crosses versus Django
Post by: Banjo on May 04, 2006, 02:30:02 AM
As Firecracker says in the new poll elsewhere Django is awesome in terms of its standing,innovation and influence-and its the only pre-tournament underdog with a chance of winning the league.A vote for CWC is a vote for Great Silence,Big Gundown and The Mercenary.
  Apologises for the manifesto-its local election day in the UK today! ;)


Title: Match 172:Big Gundown versus Sartana
Post by: Banjo on May 04, 2006, 02:33:29 AM
I've been sticking to my guns throughout and i again say SARTANA :)


Title: Match 173:The Mercenary versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Banjo on May 04, 2006, 02:34:57 AM
Mercenary


Title: Match 174:Keoma versus Return Of Ringo
Post by: Banjo on May 04, 2006, 02:36:11 AM
Keoma


Title: Match 175:Companeros versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: Banjo on May 04, 2006, 02:37:33 AM
Trinity


Title: Re: Match 175:Companeros versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: The Firecracker on May 04, 2006, 10:04:55 AM
Companeros


Title: Re: Match 174:Keoma versus Return Of Ringo
Post by: The Firecracker on May 04, 2006, 10:05:35 AM
Keoma.


Now you are....


Title: Re: Match 173:The Mercenary versus Navajo Joe
Post by: The Firecracker on May 04, 2006, 10:06:14 AM
Mercenary

The same.


Title: Re: Match 172:Big Gundown versus Sartana
Post by: The Firecracker on May 04, 2006, 10:07:13 AM


Sartana!


Title: Re: Match 171:Cemetery With Crosses versus Django
Post by: The Firecracker on May 04, 2006, 10:08:36 AM
As Firecracker says in the new poll elsewhere Django is awesome in terms of its standing,innovation and influence-and its the only pre-tournament underdog with a chance of winning

which is why despite my love for CWC I will be going with Django on this one.


Title: Re: Match 173:The Mercenary versus Navajo Joe
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 04, 2006, 04:16:07 PM
Navajo Joe.


Title: Match 176:Run Man Run versus Sabata
Post by: Banjo on May 05, 2006, 04:30:41 PM
Sabata-its a very close run because both myself and the missus are mad on both!


Title: Re: Match 176:Run Man Run versus Sabata
Post by: The Firecracker on May 05, 2006, 04:32:31 PM
Sabata!


Title: Match 177:They Call Me Trinity versus Face To Face
Post by: Banjo on May 05, 2006, 04:37:40 PM
Trinity-another sw Mr & Mrs Banjo adore :-*


Title: Re: Match 177:They Call Me Trinity versus Face To Face
Post by: The Firecracker on May 05, 2006, 04:40:16 PM
Face to Face


Title: Match 178:Hellbenders versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on May 05, 2006, 04:47:58 PM
Its got to be Nobody!!


Title: Match 179:Day Of Anger versus Django Kill
Post by: Banjo on May 05, 2006, 05:00:21 PM
Day of Anger-no longer overated in my books ;)


Title: Re: Match 180:Day Of Anger versus Django Kill
Post by: The Firecracker on May 05, 2006, 05:03:49 PM
Day of Anger-no longer overated in my books ;)

still overrated BUT better than "Django Kill"


Title: Re: Match 178:Hellbenders versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on May 05, 2006, 05:05:56 PM
Hellbender's is a vastly underrated Corbucci classic!

but Nobody's the greatest ;D
I think it is Tonino's best!


Title: Re: Match 178:Hellbenders versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on May 05, 2006, 05:17:22 PM
Yes i'm definately buying the Franco Cleef Taste For The Killing dvd when it comes out!


Title: Re: Match 178:Hellbenders versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on May 05, 2006, 05:18:22 PM
Yes i'm definately buying the Franco Cleef Taste For The Killing dvd when it comes out!

do you mean the Wild East version?


Title: Re: Match 178:Hellbenders versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on May 05, 2006, 05:35:21 PM
I'm gonna have to check my facts,what with the mistake over The Specialist DVD! ;D


Title: Re: Match 178:Hellbenders versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on May 05, 2006, 05:37:36 PM
I'm gonna have to check my facts,what with the mistake over The Specialist DVD! ;D


I stiil stand by what "django kill"(the trader) said. he told me that "The specialist will be released by  xploited cinema, not Franco cleef".


check wild east's main menu and you will see that "Taste of killing" is on their "to-do" list.


Title: Re: Match 178:Hellbenders versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on May 05, 2006, 05:39:37 PM

I stiil stand by what "django kill"(the trader) said. he told me that "The specialist will be released by  xploited cinema, not Franco cleef".


check wild east's main menu and you will see that "Taste of killing" is on their "to-do" list.
Yeah i checked Shobarys Specialist review-its not Francos and has subtitles-Cigar Joe must have the same one i guess!


Title: Re: Match 178:Hellbenders versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on May 05, 2006, 05:40:49 PM
Yeah i checked Shobarys Specialist review-its not Francos and has subtitles-Cigar Joe must have the same one i guess!

Joe got his from "Django Kill" the trader I mentioned earlier.


Title: Re: Match 178:Hellbenders versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on May 05, 2006, 06:30:18 PM
Does Django Kill have a website?


Title: Re: Match 178:Hellbenders versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on May 05, 2006, 06:31:46 PM
Does Django Kill have a website?

nope.

I dont even have his e-mail anymore :-[. You can ask Sundance for it.


Title: Re: Match 178:Hellbenders versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on May 05, 2006, 06:37:41 PM

I dont even have his e-mail anymore :-[. You can ask Sundance for it.

here comes sundance ;D


Title: Re: Match 178:Hellbenders versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Sundance on May 05, 2006, 06:46:13 PM
Argh, I just screwed up and lost my message. Dammit. Anyways to make the long story short... ;)

Djangokills disc uses the japanese SPO disc as source and he made subtitles for it. Audio is a mix of italian and french (I guess the countries had different version of the movie). Djangokill mentioned that he has never seen a complete version of the movie in english and he owns multiple version if I remember correctly.

The disc djangokill was probably referring to (to become available from xploitedcinema) is probably the disc a guy in South Africa called Naushad is planning to release to South African markets only. Xploited might stock it since they stock several other discs from him (God Forgive His Life Is Mine, Shoot Previews Shoot and some others) but I'm not sure if that is guaranteed. Also it might be a complete version in english, but I don't know since I don't know anyone who would have seen the film complete in english.

Naushad btw has now released a limited edition release of Man Called Invincible (for South African market) which is a Giuliano Carnimeo and George Hilton western apparently similar to the Halleluja films (there's also sequel for this in existance). Apparently only 1000 discs were made, 400 already sold and xploited might not stock these. I tried contacting Naushad to buy one disc but so far no answer for several days. :P

And apparently South African postal services like to make almost every international package disappear. ;D


Alright that wasn't very short but oh well. :P

And djangokills email is django_kill @ yahoo com (trade only ;) )


Title: Re: Match 173:The Mercenary versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Tim on May 05, 2006, 06:55:05 PM
  The Mercenary.


Title: Match 114:The Poll That Time Forgot!:Run Man Run versus Trinity
Post by: Banjo on May 06, 2006, 07:18:09 AM
While compiling the results for the latest SW league update this one seems to have either disappeared or i omitted doing it(Whoops :o)
Anyway here it is again and i'm voting for Trinity.


Title: Match 180:Price of Power versus Big Gundown
Post by: Banjo on May 06, 2006, 07:30:51 AM
Big Gundown


Title: Match 181:Return of Ringo versus Sabata
Post by: Banjo on May 06, 2006, 07:32:50 AM
Sabata!!! ;D


Title: Re: LASTEST SW LEAGUE UPDATE!!!
Post by: Banjo on May 06, 2006, 07:40:33 AM
I've now compiled the results up to Match 118(apart from Match 114-ahem :-[  this poll is running now!)
The latest league table will be published later today.
In order not to drown out other topics i've dropped the daily polls back to 3 which means the last polls will be put on in 10 days time and the final league table a fortnight after that!
Hope thats ok with everyone ;)


Title: Re: Match 181:Return of Ringo versus Sabata
Post by: The Firecracker on May 06, 2006, 10:44:23 AM
Sabata!!! ;D

the same.


Title: Re: Match 180:Price of Power versus Big Gundown
Post by: The Firecracker on May 06, 2006, 10:44:52 AM
Big Gundown

yes.


Title: Re: Match 114:The Poll That Time Forgot!:Run Man Run versus Trinity
Post by: The Firecracker on May 06, 2006, 10:45:36 AM
i'm voting for Trinity.


so am I.


Title: Re: LASTEST SW LEAGUE UPDATE!!!
Post by: Banjo on May 06, 2006, 12:03:13 PM
                           played    won     drawn     votes   pts 
Big Gundown          12         11          0           60      22
Great Silence          12         10          1           75      21
The Mercenary        11         10          1           53      21
Companeros           11          8           2           49      18
Death Rds A Horse  13         8            1           65      17
Django                     11         7            1           56      15
Keoma                      12         7            1           46      15
Nobody                     11         6            2           54      14
Face To Face             11         6            1           39      13
Cemetery WC            11        6              1          37      13
Run Man Run             10         6             0          29       12
Sabata                       11        4             1          34        9
Bullet FT General        11        3            1            32      7
Sartana                      11        3            1           21       7
Trinity                         10        3            1            22      7
Hellbenders                11        2            3            16      7
Return Of Ringo          11       2              1           15      5
Day Of Anger              11        2             0            19     4
Price Of Power            11       2             0             15     4
Navajo Joe                  11       1              0            13     2
Django Kill                   11       0              1             14    1
 
2 points for a win
1 point for a draw

It looks like Mercenary is very well placed with the game in hand,and i've been pleasantly surprised by the performances of both Django and Keoma.Further down Sartana and Trinity are both doing well and are on level points with Bullet For The General!!
Firecracker-can Cemetery Without Crosses hold off Run Man Run to maintain its top 10 status? ;)
I'll publish the full results of Matches 61 - 118 probably tommorow! :)


Title: Re: LASTEST SW LEAGUE UPDATE!!!
Post by: The Firecracker on May 06, 2006, 12:12:06 PM

Firecracker-can Cemetery Without Crosses hold off Run Man Run to maintain its top 10 status? ;)



Oh it will! Believe me!

And I am no longer voting for The Mercenary or the Big Gundown because I really want "Django" to win.


Title: Re: LASTEST SW LEAGUE UPDATE!!!
Post by: cigar joe on May 06, 2006, 03:58:12 PM
Now that result I can understand easily  8), thanks Banjo.


Title: Re: Match 114:The Poll That Time Forgot!:Run Man Run versus Trinity
Post by: cigar joe on May 06, 2006, 03:59:44 PM
RMR


Title: Re: Match 180:Price of Power versus Big Gundown
Post by: cigar joe on May 06, 2006, 04:00:13 PM
TBG


Title: Re: LASTEST SW LEAGUE UPDATE!!!
Post by: Banjo on May 06, 2006, 05:16:39 PM
I'll do a weekly league table update until this competition finishes ;)


Title: Re: LASTEST SW LEAGUE UPDATE!!!
Post by: The Firecracker on May 06, 2006, 05:18:33 PM
I'll do a weekly league table update until this competition finishes ;)


Go Django Go!!!!!


Title: Re: Match 178:Hellbenders versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on May 06, 2006, 06:48:52 PM
Its great having someone as well informed as you Sundance onboard! ;)


Title: Re: LASTEST SW LEAGUE UPDATE!!!
Post by: Banjo on May 06, 2006, 06:53:27 PM
People do seem to be rallying around Django just lately and i wouldn't be surprised if it finished really strongly.


Title: Match 182:Keoma versus Run Man Run
Post by: Banjo on May 07, 2006, 05:50:56 AM
Run Man Run-more fun than Keoma!


Title: Match 183:They Call Me Trinity versus Django
Post by: Banjo on May 07, 2006, 05:52:37 AM
Very divided loyalties here-but Django!


Title: Match 184:Sartana versus Bullet For The General
Post by: Banjo on May 07, 2006, 05:55:31 AM
Sartana-he's such a great character and i love having to keep replaying this movie to suss out the plot!


Title: Re: LASTEST SW LEAGUE UPDATE!!!
Post by: Banjo on May 07, 2006, 06:53:51 AM
Heres the results from 61 - 118:-
Trinity 4 DOA 3,Nobody 6 Django Kill 1,RMR 0 Mercenary 6,Ringo 1 Companeros 3,Django 4 Bullet 3,Sartana 3 Silence 6,Sabata 2 Nobody 7,Nav Joe 0 DRAH 8,Keoma 1 Face to Face 3,Hellbenders 0 Mercenary 6,Big Gundown 4 Trinity 2,Companeros 6 Price Of Power 0,Cemetery 5 Nav Joe 1,RMR 4 DOA 3,Django Kill 1 Sartana 2,Mercenary 3 Ringo 1,Bullet 5 Sabata 2,Nobody 5 Django 3,Silence 6 DRAH 5,Face 3 Price of Power 0,Big Gundown 5 Keoma 2,Trinity 2 Hellbenders 2,Cemetery 1 Silence 5,RMR 0 Comp 7,Django Kill 2 Big Gundown 4,DRAH 5 Ringo 1,Keoma 3 Sartana 2,DOA 0 Face 3,Nobody 4 Bullet 1,Sabata 1 Mercenary 5,Nav Joe o Silence 8,Price Of Power 1 Trinity 3,Hellbenders 1 RMR 3,Ringo 0 Big Gundown 6,Django kIll 1 DRAH 8,Cemetery 3 Companeros 4,Keoma 4 Nobody 3,DOA 5 Bullet 3,Face 2 Django 5,Sabata 5 Nav Joe 3,Mercenary 5 Silence 3,Price of Power 0 Ringo 3,Big Gundwn 2 Companeros 4,Django Kill 1 Keoma 5,RMR 2 DRAH 4,Trinity 2 Nav Joe 3,DOA 0 Django 8,Price Of Power 1 Bullet 5,Sabata 1 Silence 5,Cemetery 4 Nobody 2,Sartana 3 Ringo 1,DRAH 5 Hellbenders 0,Mercenary 5 Django Kill 1,Big Gundown 4 Hellbenders 2,Face 4 DRAH 1,Keoma 2 Companeros ",Sartana 2 Cemetery 5.
 As we know Match 114:Run Man Run versus Trinity is a late kick off :-\


Title: Re: LASTEST SW LEAGUE UPDATE!!!
Post by: Marco Leone on May 07, 2006, 11:04:38 AM
Damn my attempts to get Hellbenders up there ain't workin!


Title: Re: Match 184:Sartana versus Bullet For The General
Post by: The Firecracker on May 07, 2006, 11:29:25 AM
Sartana-he's such a great character and i love having to keep replaying this movie to suss out the plot!

which we still have not "sussed" yet ::)


Title: Re: Match 183:They Call Me Trinity versus Django
Post by: The Firecracker on May 07, 2006, 11:29:55 AM
yes very much Django.


Title: Re: Match 182:Keoma versus Run Man Run
Post by: The Firecracker on May 07, 2006, 11:30:48 AM
Run Man Run-more fun than Keoma!


Keoma-much better than Run man run!


Title: Re: Match 182:Keoma versus Run Man Run
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 07, 2006, 12:27:15 PM
Once again I got to go with Banjo. RMR is more fun and is a better film.


Title: Re: Match 183:They Call Me Trinity versus Django
Post by: Tim on May 07, 2006, 12:58:02 PM
  Django.


Title: Match 185:Return Of Ringo versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Banjo on May 08, 2006, 03:23:15 AM
Return of Ringo


Title: Match 186:Sabata versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: Banjo on May 08, 2006, 03:24:53 AM
Sabata!


Title: Match 187:Day Of Anger versus The Mercenary
Post by: Banjo on May 08, 2006, 03:27:46 AM
I voting DOA this time,i'm an avid recent convert-and i can't believe its lowly position in the league so far!


Title: Re: LASTEST SW LEAGUE UPDATE!!!
Post by: Banjo on May 08, 2006, 03:37:34 AM
I take all 16 of those votes are yours Marco ;D
Anyway its not doing that badly-joint 13th if we ignore the goal difference.  :-\
I like Hellbenders too ;)


Title: Re: Match 184:Sartana versus Bullet For The General
Post by: Banjo on May 08, 2006, 03:42:06 AM
We're getting there! ;)


Title: Re: LASTEST SW LEAGUE UPDATE!!!
Post by: The Firecracker on May 08, 2006, 09:46:46 AM
I take all 16 of those votes are yours Marco ;D



Incorrect. I have voted for Hellbenders on more than one occasion. I think it is fabulous!


Title: Re: Match 187:Day Of Anger versus The Mercenary
Post by: The Firecracker on May 08, 2006, 09:47:58 AM
I am not voting here at all. I dont want to hurt Django's chances.


Title: Re: Match 186:Sabata versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: The Firecracker on May 08, 2006, 09:48:25 AM
You know what I went for ;)


Title: Re: Match 185:Return Of Ringo versus Navajo Joe
Post by: The Firecracker on May 08, 2006, 09:52:14 AM
Return of Ringo


yeah I'll go with that too.


Title: Re: Match 178:Hellbenders versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Marco Leone on May 08, 2006, 02:34:33 PM
 :D

Its a lone corner i'm fighting for Hellbenders!


Title: Re: Match 182:Keoma versus Run Man Run
Post by: cigar joe on May 08, 2006, 10:14:54 PM
rmr


Title: Match 188:Companeros versus Django Kill
Post by: Banjo on May 09, 2006, 04:57:38 AM
Companeros


Title: Match 189:Keoma versus Hellbenders
Post by: Banjo on May 09, 2006, 04:59:46 AM
Hellbenders-ya talked me into it Marco elsewhere ;)


Title: Match 190:Price of Power versus Great Silence
Post by: Banjo on May 09, 2006, 05:02:40 AM
POP - i really enjoy the gunduels between Gemma and Steffenelli with the "night vision" supplied by lit cigarettes!


Title: Re: Match 190:Price of Power versus Great Silence
Post by: The Firecracker on May 09, 2006, 09:20:10 AM
not voting.


Title: Re: Match 189:Keoma versus Hellbenders
Post by: The Firecracker on May 09, 2006, 09:20:44 AM
Keoma.


Title: Re: Match 189:Keoma versus Hellbenders
Post by: Marco Leone on May 10, 2006, 03:47:17 PM
Hellbenders-ya talked me into it Marco elsewhere ;)

i knew the world would see sense!   :D


Title: Match 191:Bullet For The General versus Navajo Joe
Post by: Banjo on May 10, 2006, 04:53:07 PM
Bullet For The General


Title: 192:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Banjo on May 10, 2006, 04:54:39 PM
DRAH


Title: Re: 192:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: The Firecracker on May 10, 2006, 04:56:04 PM
ya know what I chose ;D


Title: Match 193:Face To Face versus Run Man Run
Post by: Banjo on May 10, 2006, 04:56:10 PM
RMR for the fun factor!


Title: Re: Match 191:Bullet For The General versus Navajo Joe
Post by: The Firecracker on May 10, 2006, 04:56:21 PM
Bullet For The General

the same.


Title: Re: Match 193:Face To Face versus Run Man Run
Post by: The Firecracker on May 10, 2006, 04:56:52 PM
RMR for the fun factor!

Face to Face. Sollima's best western.


Title: Re: Match 191:Bullet For The General versus Navajo Joe
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 10, 2006, 05:11:54 PM
BFTG


Title: Re: Match 190:Price of Power versus Great Silence
Post by: Banjo on May 10, 2006, 05:17:14 PM
not voting.
What? :-[


Title: Re: Match 190:Price of Power versus Great Silence
Post by: The Firecracker on May 10, 2006, 05:19:03 PM
What? :-[


I refuse to vote!!! It is nothing but space filler!!!!!!! ;D
But seriously, I just want Django to win. If I vote for "Great Silence" it would be harder for Django to rise to 1st.


Title: Re: Match 190:Price of Power versus Great Silence
Post by: Banjo on May 10, 2006, 05:25:05 PM
Well i've ignored 95% of your reply as being of no value ;) but why not vote for POP instead?


Title: Re: Match 190:Price of Power versus Great Silence
Post by: The Firecracker on May 10, 2006, 05:28:09 PM
but why not vote for POP instead?


I will hop on POP only if it does not hurt Django's chances.


Title: Re: Match 190:Price of Power versus Great Silence
Post by: Banjo on May 10, 2006, 05:32:50 PM
I see, tactical voting ;)


Title: Match 194:Great Silence versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: Banjo on May 11, 2006, 06:33:10 AM
Trinity-i wudda loved to have seen him slap the sneering Loco around the face a few times in between spinning his pistols!


Title: Match 195:Django versus Sartana
Post by: Banjo on May 11, 2006, 06:35:09 AM
I really hate this one-but i'm having to vote Django which has an outside chance of pipping the leaders at the post! ::)


Title: Match 196:Return Of Ringo versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on May 11, 2006, 06:36:42 AM
Nobody


Title: Re: Match 196:Return Of Ringo versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on May 11, 2006, 10:17:18 AM
Nobody

is Nobody beating Django?


Title: Re: Match 195:Django versus Sartana
Post by: The Firecracker on May 11, 2006, 10:18:13 AM
I really hate this one-but i'm having to vote Django which has an outside chance of pipping the leaders at the post! ::)


if Django and Sartana had an equal chance, what would you have gone for?


Title: Re: Match 196:Return Of Ringo versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on May 11, 2006, 10:22:47 AM
On the last league update Nobodys 3 places under Django.


Title: Re: Match 196:Return Of Ringo versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on May 11, 2006, 10:24:39 AM
On the last league update Nobodys 3 places under Django.

I vote Nobody then.


Title: Re: Match 195:Django versus Sartana
Post by: Banjo on May 11, 2006, 10:24:53 AM
Its a difficult one-maybe Django just-but Sartana seems to get more plays in this household.


Title: Re: Match 195:Django versus Sartana
Post by: The Firecracker on May 11, 2006, 10:26:04 AM
-but Sartana seems to get more plays in this household.

I am sure it has something to do with trying to "suss" the plot eh?


Title: Re: Match 194:Great Silence versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: The Firecracker on May 11, 2006, 10:27:39 AM
How outlandish! More space filler! Shame on you sir! dont "hysterically slander" me for stating my opinion about your crummy polls >:(








 ;D


Title: Re: Match 195:Django versus Sartana
Post by: Banjo on May 11, 2006, 10:32:14 AM
I am sure it has something to do with trying to "suss" the plot eh?
Yeah maybe-they've both have that horror like atmosphere,i love the musical scores in both.I prefer Sartanas nemesis(Lasky) to Django's.If i weren't Banjo i may have called myself Lasky because i think the performances were equally as good as each other. :)


Title: Re: Match 195:Django versus Sartana
Post by: The Firecracker on May 11, 2006, 10:34:05 AM
i may have called myself Lasky because i think the performances were equally as good as each other. :)

That would be difficult to get a Lasky avatar. He is not as popular as Banjo.


Title: Re: Match 195:Django versus Sartana
Post by: Banjo on May 11, 2006, 10:38:13 AM
That would be difficult to get a Lasky avatar. He is not as popular as Banjo.
Surely theres one on Shobarys site?-but me being a bit of a folkie i'm happy i went for the one with the instrument! ;D


Title: Re: Match 194:Great Silence versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: Tim on May 11, 2006, 11:38:46 AM
  Could we have picked two spaghettis that were more different than these two?  :D   The ultimate downer western vs. an upbeat comedy with Hill and Spencer shenanigans.

  TGS for me.


Title: Match 197:Day Of Anger versus Price Of Power
Post by: Banjo on May 12, 2006, 04:15:03 PM
DOA


Title: Match 198:Day of Anger versus Hellbenders
Post by: Banjo on May 12, 2006, 04:16:39 PM
DOA


Title: Match 199:Django Kill versus Face To Face
Post by: Banjo on May 12, 2006, 04:18:17 PM
FTF


Title: Re: LASTEST SW LEAGUE UPDATE!!!
Post by: Banjo on May 12, 2006, 06:26:59 PM
Update in respect of matches up to Match 145!!!

                           played    won     drawn     votes   pts 
Big Gundown          14         13          0           71      26
Great Silence          15         12          1           86      25
The Mercenary        13         12          1           59      25
Companeros           14          9           3           63      21
Death Rds A Horse  16          10         1           73      21 
Django                    14          9           2           73      20
Cemetery WC          14         9           1            48     19
Nobody                    13         8            2           65     18
Keoma                     14         8            1           51      17
Face To Face            14         8            1           49      17
Run Man Run            11         7            0           33      14
Sabata                      14         5           2           43      12
Bullet FT General       13         4          1             37     9
Sartana                     14         3           2            26     8
Hellbenders               13         2           4            20     8
Day Of Anger             14         3           1            26     7
Trinity                         12        3            1            24     7
Return Of Ringo          14        2            1            18     5
Navajo Joe                  15        2            0            21     4
Price Of Power            13        2             0            16    4
Django Kill                   14        0            1             19    1
 
2 points for a win
1 point for a draw

Match results to be published for 118-145 within next couple of days!

Firecracker will be pleased to note Cemetery Without Crosses has crept up quite a bit  :o .At last that very underated  ;)  Day of Anger is starting to move up!
Can Django continue its revival and catch the frontrunners? ::)


Title: Re: LASTEST SW LEAGUE UPDATE!!!
Post by: The Firecracker on May 12, 2006, 07:20:34 PM


Firecracker will be pleased to note Cemetery Without Crosses has crept up quite a bit  :o


looks like I cannot help CWC any more! It is right behind Django!!!!!


Title: Re: Match 198:Day of Anger versus Hellbenders
Post by: The Firecracker on May 12, 2006, 07:21:54 PM
Hellbenders.


Title: Re: Match 199:Django Kill versus Face To Face
Post by: The Firecracker on May 12, 2006, 07:22:26 PM
FTF

the same.


Title: Re: Match 197:Day Of Anger versus Price Of Power
Post by: The Firecracker on May 12, 2006, 07:27:06 PM
DOA

wow Day of anger is doing awful in the league. Weird. most over rate this thing to no end!

I voted for it here.


Title: Match 200:The Mercenary versus Sartana
Post by: Banjo on May 14, 2006, 11:01:01 AM
Sartana


Title: Match 201:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Bullet For The General
Post by: Banjo on May 14, 2006, 11:02:21 AM
BFTG


Title: Match 202:Bullet For The General versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: Banjo on May 14, 2006, 11:03:33 AM
Trinity


Title: Match 203:Sabata versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Banjo on May 14, 2006, 11:05:05 AM
Sabata


Title: Match 204:Great Silence versus Hellbenders
Post by: Banjo on May 14, 2006, 11:06:29 AM
Hellbenders


Title: Match 205:Navajo Joe versus Face To Face
Post by: Banjo on May 14, 2006, 11:07:37 AM
FTF


Title: Re: Match 205:Navajo Joe versus Face To Face
Post by: The Firecracker on May 14, 2006, 01:26:00 PM
FTF

the same


Title: Re: Match 204:Great Silence versus Hellbenders
Post by: The Firecracker on May 14, 2006, 01:26:27 PM
Hellbenders

I am going for Hellbenders to help it out.


Title: Re: Match 203:Sabata versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: The Firecracker on May 14, 2006, 01:26:54 PM
Sabata

I'll help Sabata.


Title: Re: Match 202:Bullet For The General versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: The Firecracker on May 14, 2006, 01:27:25 PM
Bullet.


Title: Re: Match 201:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Bullet For The General
Post by: The Firecracker on May 14, 2006, 01:27:59 PM
CWC.


Title: Re: Match 200:The Mercenary versus Sartana
Post by: The Firecracker on May 14, 2006, 01:28:17 PM
The same.


Title: Re: Match 201:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Bullet For The General
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 14, 2006, 01:28:24 PM
CWC.

I expected that.


Title: Re: Match 201:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Bullet For The General
Post by: The Firecracker on May 14, 2006, 01:29:53 PM
I expected that.

as you should. It is a great one.


Title: Re: Match 201:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Bullet For The General
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 14, 2006, 01:32:54 PM
Frayling said in the Leone bio that Sergio plays the hotel manager in the beginning. Don't know if it's true or not.


Title: Re: Match 201:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Bullet For The General
Post by: The Firecracker on May 14, 2006, 01:33:52 PM
Frayling said in the Leone bio that Sergio plays the hotel manager in the beginning. Don't know if it's true or not.

It is not. And it wasnt Frayling who said that, it was Weisser. That guy doesnt know jack shite.


Title: Re: Match 201:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Bullet For The General
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 14, 2006, 01:35:03 PM
It is not. And it wasnt Frayling who said that, it was Weisser. That guy doesnt know jack shite.

That's what it said in Something To Do With Death.


Title: Re: Match 201:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Bullet For The General
Post by: The Firecracker on May 14, 2006, 01:36:07 PM
That's what it said in Something To Do With Death.

then Frayling is misinformed as well. I guess he heard the rumor from Weisser first or vice versa.


Title: Re: Match 201:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Bullet For The General
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 14, 2006, 01:36:54 PM
then Frayling is misinformed as well. I guess he heard the rumor from Weisser first or vice versa.

Who is Weisser anyway?


Title: Re: Match 201:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Bullet For The General
Post by: The Firecracker on May 14, 2006, 01:39:12 PM
Thomas Weisser wrote a book titled

"Spaghetti westerns: the good the bad and the violent"

back in the early 90's.
he has reviews for almost all 600 spaghetti westerns made during the genre's heyday. It is a handy book to have around but it is full of mistakes like the one just under discussion.

Most fans of the genre consider it the Bible.


Title: Re: Match 201:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Bullet For The General
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 14, 2006, 01:40:55 PM
Thomas Weisser wrote a book titled

"Spaghetti westerns: the good the bad and the violent"

back in the early 90's.
he has reviews for almost all 600 spaghetti westerns made during the genre's heyday. It is a handy book to have around but it is full of mistakes like the one just under discussion.

Most fans of the genre consider it the Bible.

I'll look into that book.


Title: Re: Match 201:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Bullet For The General
Post by: The Firecracker on May 14, 2006, 01:41:42 PM
I'll look into that book.


if you can get it on the net for an easy 20 to 30 dollars GO FOR IT!
otherwise, stay away.


Title: Re: Match 201:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Bullet For The General
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 14, 2006, 01:42:39 PM

if you can get it on the net for an easy 20 to 30 dollars GO FOR IT!
otherwise, stay away.

It's available on amazon for 40. I'll put that on my wish list.


Title: Re: Match 201:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Bullet For The General
Post by: The Firecracker on May 14, 2006, 01:44:38 PM
It's available on amazon for 40. I'll put that on my wish list.
ask some relative to get it for you for Christmas or something. Dont you have a birthday coming up soon?


Title: Re: Match 201:Cemetery Without Crosses versus Bullet For The General
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 14, 2006, 01:46:09 PM
ask some relative to get it for you for Christmas or something. Dont you have a birthday coming up soon?

September 23. If I do well on my next report card I could get it.


Title: Re: Match 200:The Mercenary versus Sartana
Post by: cigar joe on May 14, 2006, 09:29:45 PM
The Mercenary


Title: Re: Match 202:Bullet For The General versus They Call Me Trinity
Post by: cigar joe on May 14, 2006, 09:30:16 PM
abftg


Title: Re: Match 203:Sabata versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: cigar joe on May 14, 2006, 09:30:46 PM
drah


Title: Re: Match 204:Great Silence versus Hellbenders
Post by: Marco Leone on May 15, 2006, 02:28:25 PM
Hahaha nothing like a nice rigged vote  :D


Title: Re: Match 204:Great Silence versus Hellbenders
Post by: The Firecracker on May 15, 2006, 02:30:42 PM
Hahaha nothing like a nice rigged vote  :D

well I voted for it for more than just a simple boost in the polls. I really really enjoy Hellbenders and while it is not as good a film as "The Great Silence" I would watch Hellbenders more than I ever will the former.


Title: Re: Match 204:Great Silence versus Hellbenders
Post by: Marco Leone on May 15, 2006, 03:33:40 PM
fair game.  hellbenders is a particular favourite of mine.


Title: Match 206:Keoma versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Banjo on May 15, 2006, 05:37:06 PM
DRAH


Title: Match 207:Companeros versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on May 15, 2006, 05:39:08 PM
MNIN


Title: Match 208:Big Gundown versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on May 15, 2006, 05:40:42 PM
MNIN


Title: Re: Match 208:Big Gundown versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on May 15, 2006, 05:42:04 PM
MNIN
the same for me.

Iam surprised you voted for it Banjo...


Title: Re: Match 207:Companeros versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on May 15, 2006, 05:42:50 PM
MNIN

the same.

I am surprised about the outcome of your vote again Banjo.


Title: Re: Match 206:Keoma versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: The Firecracker on May 15, 2006, 05:43:13 PM
KEOMA!


Title: Re: Match 206:Keoma versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 15, 2006, 05:45:21 PM
DRAH


Title: Re: Match 207:Companeros versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 15, 2006, 05:46:00 PM
Nobody but Nobody knows the trouble he's in.


Title: Re: Match 208:Big Gundown versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Banjo on May 15, 2006, 07:39:57 PM
Must have pressed the wrong button ;).Looks as though this could help Django ;D


Title: Re: Match 208:Big Gundown versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: The Firecracker on May 15, 2006, 07:46:11 PM
Must have pressed the wrong button ;).Looks as though this could help Django ;D
yes I see...


Title: Re: Match 208:Big Gundown versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Leone Admirer on May 16, 2006, 05:49:31 AM
Nobody


Title: Re: Match 207:Companeros versus My Name Is Nobody
Post by: Leone Admirer on May 16, 2006, 05:52:27 AM
Nobody


Title: Re: Match 206:Keoma versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Leone Admirer on May 16, 2006, 05:52:46 AM
DRAH


Title: Match 209:Django versus Run Man Run
Post by: Banjo on May 16, 2006, 04:08:36 PM
Django


Title: Match 210:Great Silence versus Big Gundown
Post by: Banjo on May 16, 2006, 04:09:45 PM
Big Gundown


Title: Last sw poll shock:The Mercenary versus Big Gundown
Post by: Banjo on May 16, 2006, 04:11:12 PM
The decider possibly???
The Mercenary is easily the better film!


Title: Re: Match 209:Django versus Run Man Run
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 16, 2006, 04:22:54 PM
Django

Django


Title: Re: Match 209:Django versus Run Man Run
Post by: The Firecracker on May 16, 2006, 04:47:35 PM
no contest, Django!


Title: Re: Last sw poll shock:The Mercenary versus Big Gundown
Post by: The Firecracker on May 16, 2006, 04:47:59 PM

The Mercenary is easily the better film!

agreed but I will not vote.


Title: Re: Match 210:Great Silence versus Big Gundown
Post by: The Firecracker on May 16, 2006, 04:48:22 PM
Big Gundown

oh come on Banjo! >:(


I am not voting.


Title: Re: Match 203:Sabata versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Tim on May 17, 2006, 11:36:45 AM
  DRAH for me too.


Title: Re: Match 203:Sabata versus Death Rides A Horse
Post by: Leone Admirer on May 18, 2006, 02:01:10 PM
Damn I would have voted Sa... DRAH  ;D


Title: Re: Match 210:Great Silence versus Big Gundown
Post by: Leone Admirer on May 18, 2006, 02:02:21 PM
TGS


Title: Re: Last sw poll shock:The Mercenary versus Big Gundown
Post by: Marco Leone on May 18, 2006, 02:15:48 PM
I love both, but prefer Big Gundown  ;D


Title: Re: PENDING PENULTIMATE SW LEAGUE UPDATE!!
Post by: Banjo on May 22, 2006, 04:48:08 PM
I've just been compiling the results up to Match 185 and i'm putting up the last but one league table tommorow after i've worked it out-only one more week for the last polls to run!
There is one upset i've seen-Cemetery Without Crossess defeating the previously unbeaten The Mercenary which means that its going to be real close between The Mercenary and The Big Gundown.Django has been continuing its relentless recovery by thrashing
 everything in sight,but has he left it too late :-[ ?


Title: Re: PENDING PENULTIMATE SW LEAGUE UPDATE!!
Post by: Banjo on May 23, 2006, 05:13:03 PM
Update in respect of matches up to Match 185!!!

                           played    won     drawn     votes   pts 
Mercenary               17         15          1           77     31
Big Gundown          16          15          0           78     30
Companeros           18          13          3           83     29
Django                    17          12          2           86     26
Great Silence          16           12          1           88     25
Nobody                   16           11          2           76     24
Death Rds A Horse  17          11           1           79    23
Cemetery WC          17          11           1           57    23 
Keoma                     17          10           1           63    21 
Face To Face            16           9            1           55   19
Run Man Run            16            9           1           45   19
Sabata                      16           6           2           50    14
Bullet FT General       16           5           1           44    11
Trinity                        16            4          3           33     11
Sartana                     17            4          2           31     10
Hellbenders               16           3           4           24     10
Day Of Anger             16           3           1           28      7
Return Of Ringo          17          2           1           20      5 
Navajo Joe                  17         2            0           22      4 
Price Of Power            17         2            0            19      4
Django Kill                   17         0            2            24      2
 
2 points for a win
1 point for a draw

The Mercnary takes the lead but Big Gundown has a match in hand.I find it inexplicable that Cemetery Without Crosses which has previously lost 5 matches should suddenly defeat The Mercenary by 4 votes to 2 thus ending its unbeaten run and most probably handing victory to Big Gundown.Perhaps it was a fluke result due to me putting it on at the wrong time when a lot of the Mercenary fans were absent maybe-well theres another week to run yet so you never know! :-\


Title: Re: PENDING PENULTIMATE SW LEAGUE UPDATE!!
Post by: The Firecracker on May 23, 2006, 09:56:00 PM
I find it inexplicable that Cemetery Without Crosses which has previously lost 5 matches should suddenly defeat The Mercenary by 4 votes to 2 thus ending its unbeaten run and most probably handing victory to Big Gundown.Perhaps it was a fluke result due to me putting it on at the wrong time when a lot of the Mercenary fans were absent maybe-well theres another week to run yet so you never know! :-\


a "fluke" indeed, hmph >:(


Title: Re: FINAL SW LEAGUE RESULT IMMINENT!!!!
Post by: Banjo on May 30, 2006, 05:37:34 PM
Hey guys we finally got there!
I've just written down the final results for the last couple of dozen matches,and i'm now in the process of drawing up the final league table which will officially confirm this  boards top ten favourite sw's and i think you'll gonna be surprised by at least a couple of the final placings!!! ::)


Title: Re: FINAL SW LEAGUE RESULT IMMINENT!!!!
Post by: Banjo on May 30, 2006, 07:25:25 PM
                           won    drawn     lost     votes   pts
The Mercenary      17         2           1         86      36
Big Gundown         16        1            3         90      33
Django                  15         2            3        103     32
Nobody                  15        2            3         92      32
Companeros          14        3            3         90      31
Cemetery WC        14        1            5         66       29
Great Silence         13        2            5         98       28
Death Rds A Horse  13      1             6        89       27
Face To Face           12       1            7         70      25
Keoma                    11       1            8         69       23

So there you have it folks,the above represent this sites favourite top 10 non-Leone sw's and personally its great to see The Mercenary turn over The Big Gundown(which faltered  badly towards the end) to win this thing and be the top non-Leone sw OFFICIALLY!
   However i think its fair to say Django has won the moral victory here-apart from a shaky start its been invincible for so long now with easily the longest unbeaten run right up until the very end of the competition.Its also the only sw to break 100 votes in total and despite the detractors it has proved its worth amongst us Leone Lovers :)
   I suppose it comes as no great surprise considering Leones involvement that My Name Is Nobody should finish a very high 4th just ahead of the mighty Companeros. ::)
    However i'm never gonna understand how Cemetery Without Crosses has finished 6th above the equally bleak Great Silence with only 66 votes and it looks like i'll have to eat humble pie eh Mr Firecracker? ;D
     I expected both Death Rides A Horse and Face To Face to feature somewhere in the top 10  but again i've been surprised at Keoma grabbing the 10th place! :o
     So i've come to the end of my journey in my quest to establish this great sites top 10 non-Leone sw's and i would like to thank everyone who participated for their encouragement and patience.There have been several hundred votes cast in what has proved to be a very worthwhile venture for me and i hope alot of you guys.
Heres to the next sw league which i understand Firecracker will be organising in due after he comes back from his break. ;)
     
Finally here are the placings of the also rans:-
                            won    drawn     lost     votes   pts
Run Man Run          11          1         8          54      23
Sabata                    8           2         10        58      18
Bullet FT General     8           1         11        58      17
Day Of Anger           6           2         12        39      14
Trinity                      4           3          13       38      11
Sartana                   4           2          14       35      10
Hellbenders             4          0           16         31      8
Return Of Ringo       3          1            16      25       7
Price Of Power         3          0            17        23       6
Navajo Joe               2          0            18        23      4
Django Kill                0          2            18        27      2     


Title: Re: THE MERCENARY WINS THE SW LEAGUE!
Post by: cigar joe on May 30, 2006, 10:35:37 PM
thanks, for the effort.


Title: Re: THE MERCENARY WINS THE SW LEAGUE!
Post by: titoli on May 31, 2006, 02:57:35 PM
Banjo, I could have told you so without all this mind-boggling tournament. 
Anyway, I think it is time for you to open up the topic on the real mccoy about to start next week.


Title: Re: THE MERCENARY WINS THE SW LEAGUE!
Post by: Banjo on June 01, 2006, 05:03:58 AM
Banjo, I could have told you so without all this mind-boggling tournament. 
Didn't know you were David Blaine in disguise!Perhaps you can send your predictions in an envelope for the next SW league ;D
I will be resurrecting the Germany Football World Cup thread shortly.As far as i'm concerned and i'm certain this also goes for at least the whole of Europe and South America ,winning the World Cup is by far the most important sporting accolade a country can achieve and the Olympics(yawn!) take a very very poor second place.Maybe we shouldn't worry too much that people in the USA as a whole aren't interested as i suspect if they were as football mad as the rest of us they would probably(as in every other sport it seems) beat even the likes of Brazil ::)


Title: Re: THE MERCENARY WINS THE SW LEAGUE!
Post by: titoli on June 01, 2006, 08:12:02 AM
Football is the only area of popular entertainment in which USA have no word and the rest of the world doesn't mind. I don't think they would be unbeatable if they'd dedicate themselves to football instead of all those other provincial activities like baseball (american equivalent of cricket) or football (a mystery why they don't call it throwball): the game is played 11 against 11 (well, of late in Italy it has been demonstrated that you can play it also 14 against 11). And Maradona was not, physically, the prototype of american sportsman.
Anyway, as you are going to be, in a sense, the moderator of the thread you're about to resurrect, I propose to ban definitively anyone who may use the word "soccer".



Title: Re: FINAL SW LEAGUE RESULT IMMINENT!!!!
Post by: The Firecracker on June 03, 2006, 03:46:19 PM

Heres to the next sw league which i understand Firecracker will be organising in due after he comes back from his break. ;)
  
back from the holiday now (to somes dismay). I guess I can get the "B-league started some time in early July?
I will be going for another holiday in a few weeks( a much longer one I think, not too long though.)


Title: Re: THE MERCENARY WINS THE SW LEAGUE!
Post by: Banjo on June 03, 2006, 05:26:04 PM
Count me in on that space filler! ;D


Title: Re: Match 140:Django Kill versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: The Firecracker on September 05, 2006, 11:49:14 PM
More Corbucci than Leone but i say CWC ;)


Corbucci? I hardly think so. Why? Because of the similarities to TGS?


Title: Re: Match 140:Django Kill versus Cemetery Without Crosses
Post by: Banjo on September 06, 2006, 07:30:11 AM
I stand by my judgement-VERY Corbucci! ;)