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Title: Favorite non-Leone spaghetti western director?
Post by: The Peacemaker on March 26, 2006, 05:19:11 PM
Seems like posts are all the rage lately. Who's your favorite non-Leone SW director? I honestly can't decide so what does everyone else think?
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: The Firecracker on March 26, 2006, 05:26:06 PM
I wont vote because I sure as hell cannot choose between any of those guys. All of them have there masterpieces all of them have there floppers.

Ferdinando Baldi NEEDS to be up there.

I know one director who should NOT be up there though...
Giuseppe Colizzi.

My guess would be Corbucci will triumph as the victor of this poll...but I shall not vote.
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: The Peacemaker on March 26, 2006, 05:27:20 PM
I'll put him up there right now. Thanks for the advice.
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: The Firecracker on March 26, 2006, 05:29:46 PM
I'll put him up there right now. Thamks for the advice.

no prob...

also Carmineo Giuliano.

consider taking Colizzi off, the guy sucks. anybody would agree with me.
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: The Peacemaker on March 26, 2006, 05:30:49 PM
Fine.
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: The Firecracker on March 26, 2006, 05:39:28 PM
Fine.
;)
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: The Peacemaker on March 26, 2006, 05:41:42 PM
What spaghettis did Carmineo Giuliano direct?
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: The Firecracker on March 26, 2006, 05:43:08 PM
What spaghettis did Carmineo Giuliano direct?


Boot hill(total trash)

God Forgives, I dont(i hear it is slow and tedious)

Ace High(his best spag but not really quality work.)
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: The Peacemaker on March 26, 2006, 05:45:44 PM
That was Giuseppe Colizzi not Carmineo Giuliano.  ;)
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: boardwalk_angel on March 26, 2006, 05:48:59 PM
Corbucci.........for the quality and quantity of his work.
Influential, innovative (Django...Great Silence, to name 2)..........& especially for "The Mercenary"...his best.
Sollima...0nly 3 SW..but such terrific films..especially "Face To Face"...which can stand by itself not only as a SW.. but as a Western, period.

The rest...hang somewhat below these 2...Castellari..a good action director, Baldi..willing to take chances, & often succeeding, Giuliano Carnimeo. who gave us Sartana..& combined a good whodunit w/ the essence of Spaghetti Westerns..& many more..like Garrone, etc.
but Corbucci..& Sollima...seemed to have aimed higher and acheived much more.
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: The Firecracker on March 26, 2006, 05:49:28 PM
That was Giuseppe Colizzi not Carmineo Giuliano.  ;)

whoops. Got confused sorry.


Carmineo has done...

all the official sartana sequels including the one with George Hillton.

They call him cemetary

 Moment to kill

and "the Holy Ghost" series to name a few.
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: The Peacemaker on March 26, 2006, 05:50:26 PM
oh.
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: The Peacemaker on March 26, 2006, 05:58:12 PM
I really like Corbucci's work but it can be very sloppy at times such as in the quick zooms which could possibly be his trademark. I think Sollima's work is much more professional looking and is somewhat on the level of Leone. Corbucci, on the other hand, made brilliant films but as I said, his work at times looks rather amateurish.

In conclusion, I don't know.
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: The Firecracker on March 26, 2006, 06:08:40 PM
nobodies considering Tonino? The man directed some fine films like "Day of Anger".

the direction of "My name is Nobody" is probably better than anything Corbucci or Sollima could muster(have not seen Face to Face). my opinion of course.

as for "Nobody" There is that nasty rumor about Leone having a hand in the direction of the film, which could be a reason that it is an excellently directed film. But rumors aside, it is still Tonino's.

also I am not a big fan of Gianfranco Parolini(Frank Kramer) but others will come by asking him to be up on the list. And even though His films are "so-so" for me, I do believe he should be up there. he deserves it.
He directed...
the first Sartana film.
and all of the Sabata films
among others...


also Peacemaker I would like to say this is a very interesting poll you have made. This will cause much debate and many a conversation on here I am sure. And that is just what we need.Thanks alot amigo. ;)
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: grandpa_chum on March 26, 2006, 07:28:21 PM
Sollima and Castellari are probably my favorite non-leone italian directors, but that is boosted immensely by their 70's crime films... And as far as the spaghetti westerns go corbucci hands down. navajo joe, great silence, django, companeros... can't be beat.
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: The Peacemaker on March 26, 2006, 09:26:56 PM
Corbucci made classics and he was a very good director but his editing can be sloppy.
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: The Firecracker on March 26, 2006, 09:28:08 PM
Corbucci made classics and he was a very good director but his editing can be sloppy.

I dont think his editing is the problem, I think his camera work is sloppy.

The only time I felt any sloppyness in his editing was in one scene from Companeros. The scene is in the bank where the Mongo has just agreed to pay the swede half the "treasure" in the safe for the capture and return of Xantos. when Milian walks in and starts up a confrontation with the swede there are several  unprofessional shots of the swede's and vasco's guns cut embarassingly together. It looks like a three year old did it on an "I-movie" editing program.
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: The Peacemaker on March 26, 2006, 09:30:18 PM
that's what I meant.  ;D   

I just didn't say it.  :-[
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: The Firecracker on March 26, 2006, 09:32:09 PM
that's what I meant.  ;D   

I just didn't say it.  :-[

I added to my response Frank. check it out. I want to see if you  feel the same way.
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: The Peacemaker on March 26, 2006, 09:38:04 PM
Yeh, some parts of Companeros look pretty amateurish, but Django looks like a B-movie. Did you ever see it? It's a great movie but it looks so poor. In one scene you can see a cameraman in the background smiling!
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: The Firecracker on March 26, 2006, 09:41:08 PM
Not pertaining to editing, but just the direction, another thing I find embarassing about Companeros is the scene where the villian "John" is introduced. He sends his pet hawk "marsha" to seek out the train the swede is riding on, in order for her to "let them know when the train is near"... ???
wont you be able to hear that big ass machine coming from miles away? Trains make enough noise to wake the dead!
I am going to believe that John was stoned beyond belief and could not allow the logical thought of being able to hear  trains from great distances.


and to end the entire stuid move...Marsha doesnt even warn them!!!! she arrives AFTER the train entered the station.
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: The Peacemaker on March 26, 2006, 09:44:47 PM
If John was high then I think one of his associates would have heard the train. But you're right, trains make a lot of noise, especially the old steam trains.

Though I really liked Companeros and I consider it to be one of the best of the genre.
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: The Firecracker on March 26, 2006, 09:45:40 PM
Did you ever see it? It's a great movie but it looks so poor. In one scene you can see a cameraman in the background smiling!

most definatly. Django is my favorite spaghetti western next to Cemetery without crosses. And yes the production value is very poor and there are plot holes galore...

...for example why is it that Major Jackson sides with the mexican army even though he spends his days killing mexican peons and swearing to "rid the south of mexican scum"(not an actual quote from him, but you get the idea.) ??? ??? ???....

...but it is still a very fun film. and it just oozes style.

And I never noticed the camera man until my 5th viewing, and I had help locating it from shobary's site, otherwise...I dont think I would have ever noticed it.
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: The Peacemaker on March 26, 2006, 09:50:32 PM
Seems like everytime I start a poll nobody votes! It's very funny.  ;D
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: The Firecracker on March 26, 2006, 09:51:28 PM
Django looks like a B-movie.

All spaghetti westerns are considered "B-movies". Which means nothing. I'll take a spaghetti western over any other "A" action movie that comes out today.


And I just noticed that this poll is on its second page and yet only has one vote. ;D
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: The Firecracker on March 26, 2006, 09:52:14 PM
Seems like everytime I start a poll nobody votes! It's very funny.  ;D

you make "talkative polls". ;D
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: The Peacemaker on March 26, 2006, 09:54:51 PM
It's true. No more polls for me!!!
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: The Firecracker on March 26, 2006, 09:57:30 PM
It's true. No more polls for me!!!

I might just have to break down and give this poll a "pity vote". ;D
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: The Firecracker on March 26, 2006, 10:07:01 PM
It's true. No more polls for me!!!

Well remember this poll was posted just a few hours ago and also this has been an incredibly slow day.
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: The Peacemaker on March 26, 2006, 10:22:11 PM
Yeh, really slow day. Though, around 3pm there was a point when there was 7 members on the boards at once.
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: The Firecracker on March 26, 2006, 10:24:57 PM
Yeh, really slow day. Though, around 3pm there was a point when there was 7 members on the boards at once.

really? I wasnt around for that. :'(
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: Arizona Colt on March 26, 2006, 11:15:36 PM
I don't think Corbucci's shaky camera style is amateurish, I think it's supposed to give a documentary feel to the scene. Many other directors used this type of filming. Hong Kongs greatest action director Chang Cheh used this style in many of his kung fu movies. He once said to take the camera off the tripod gave the film a documentary style like you were witnessing something real and not a motion picture. TV shows today use this method and go overboard with it IMO. I chose Corbucci simply because he directed my fave spaghetti THE GREAT SILENCE. All the directors listed are great though. How about Michele Lupo, Duccio Tessari or Guiliano Petroni?
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: The Firecracker on March 26, 2006, 11:26:54 PM
Alright...I broke down and voted. I wont say who though.
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: grandpa_chum on March 27, 2006, 01:43:38 AM
I'm with arizona colt... one of the things I love about corbucci is his "sloppy" sporadic direction... it keeps his movies from having too much of a "been there done that" feel to them. They are different, they are dark, they are shot in a unique style, with unpredictable editing... it's what I love about his movies.
Title: Re: other directors
Post by: cigar joe on March 27, 2006, 03:52:43 AM
I didn't vote because I can't decide between Corbucci or Sollima, they both put out good films.