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Title: Possible continuity error
Post by: The clint on April 09, 2006, 06:38:03 PM
Cheyenne is being brought to Yuma by train, the same train that Mr. Morton and gang travel by, yet the railroad had just barely reached Sweetwater. Then how did they think he'd get transported to the prison in Yuma? And to add to the same error, Cheyennes men that ask for the ticket "to the next station, one way only" but the next station was sweetwater, still in construction!
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: Tim on April 09, 2006, 10:14:11 PM
  I might be wrong here, but I think its different trains.  Cheyenne is put on one train, his gang attacks the train and frees him, and then they ride and attack Morton's train.  Now that I write it out, I'm not so sure, but I think that's right.

  Sorry about your other questions, I'm not sure.  But you do bring up some interesting ideas.
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: The Firecracker on April 10, 2006, 01:23:02 AM
No Tim I think they put him in Morton's train. otherwise why would they just attack Morton's train for no apparent reason?
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: cigar joe on April 10, 2006, 05:40:04 AM
Well if you want to rationalise it we have to assume  that there already was a spur line north to Flagstone from the Southern Pacific RR that ran through Yuma across Southern Arizona To El Paso and points east. So there was a spur to the South and the AP Morton RR.

Which is not unusual, Montana's first RR was a spur North from the Union Pacific that ran through Utah. way Before the 3 "transcontinental" RR's  crossed the State East To West. The Three were the Northern Pacific, The Great Northern, and the Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific.
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: The clint on April 10, 2006, 07:52:36 AM
OK, cigar joe, your reasoning seems to be good enough, although I find it a little strange that Morton's train would go a different route than the route that is being constructed near Sweetwater. But to another subject: when Frank arrives at the train, there are corpses all over the place but we never see so many people with Morton at any time in the film, and I assume they're all Frank's men anyway, but even Frank never had such a large gang, plus the ones he'd just killed in Flagstone, plus the five Harmonica killed, where d'you think they came from?
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: dave jenkins on April 10, 2006, 04:07:56 PM
OK, cigar joe, your reasoning seems to be good enough, although I find it a little strange that Morton's train would go a different route than the route that is being constructed near Sweetwater. But to another subject: when Frank arrives at the train, there are corpses all over the place but we never see so many people with Morton at any time in the film, and I assume they're all Frank's men anyway, but even Frank never had such a large gang, plus the ones he'd just killed in Flagstone, plus the five Harmonica killed, where d'you think they came from?
The corpses include all of Cheyenne's gang, and we never get an idea about how big that group is until that scene.
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 10, 2006, 04:36:50 PM
Cheyenne was taken to Yuma on a public train. You can see all the passengers getting on at the station. Besides, they wouldn't escort a notorious criminal on the railroad baron's private train. That's just asking for trouble!
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: The Firecracker on April 10, 2006, 04:43:47 PM
Cheyenne was taken to Yuma on a public train. You can see all the passengers getting on at the station. Besides, they wouldn't escort a notorious criminal on the railroad baron's private train. That's just asking for trouble!

great reasoning. I myself always found it strange that they would transport cheyenne on morton's train.

but then  why would cheyenne's men attack Morton's train for?
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: Groggy on April 10, 2006, 05:01:21 PM
Because he's the one who's been trying to off Jill, and you know how Cheyenne feels about her.
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 10, 2006, 05:02:27 PM
Cheyenne always had a dislike for Morton and it is very clear in the scene where Cheyenne rescues Harmonica from the train. It's also because Cheyenne is in love with Jill and wants to protect her from the land-grabbing " snail. "
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: The Firecracker on April 10, 2006, 05:03:22 PM
Because he's the one who's been trying to off Jill, and you know how Cheyenne feels about her.
but Frank is the real threat. not Mr. Choo Choo.
why waste time on a guy in a wheel chair who cannot shoot straight?
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 10, 2006, 05:04:09 PM
Yeh but Harmonica already called dibs on him.
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: The Firecracker on April 10, 2006, 05:04:47 PM
Yeh but Harmonica already called dibs on him.

not by cheyenne's understanding.
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 10, 2006, 05:06:27 PM
Possibly, remember Harmonica says to him " There's another bastard and he's getting further away every minute. "
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: The Firecracker on April 10, 2006, 05:08:40 PM
Possibly, remember Harmonica says to him " There's another bastard and he's getting further away every minute. "

that was just a warning that Frank is getting away. He wasnt saying "he is mine!!!!"
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 10, 2006, 05:10:09 PM
That's true. I just realized that Cheyenne never meets Frank in the entire movie. Cheyenne might not even know FRank exists.
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: The Firecracker on April 10, 2006, 05:13:49 PM
That's true. I just realized that Cheyenne never meets Frank in the entire movie. Cheyenne might not even know FRank exists.

well Frank sure knows he exist. otherwise he wouldnt have had the idea of framing cheyenne's gang.
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 10, 2006, 05:15:27 PM
Frank must've known Cheyenne existed because Cheyenne is a very famous bandit. There's even a deleted scene where Frank is reading Cheyenne's wanted poster.
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: The Firecracker on April 10, 2006, 05:16:13 PM
Frank must've known Cheyenne existed because Cheyenne is a very famous bandit. There's even a deleted scene where Frank is reading Cheyenne's wanted poster.

never heard of that one!
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 10, 2006, 05:21:22 PM
A while back I posted that I found a photo of what looked like a deleted scene. Go to this website to see the picture.

http://www.valledeltabladillo.com/FotoGuests/Extra/CUVW/sceneinedite.jpg
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: The Firecracker on April 10, 2006, 05:23:36 PM
A while back I posted that I found a photo of what looked like a deleted scene. Go to this website to see the picture.

http://www.valledeltabladillo.com/FotoGuests/Extra/CUVW/sceneinedite.jpg


cool. that is Cheyenne(the guy who has his back to the camera) he is meeting right?
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 10, 2006, 05:24:48 PM
Yep. I think that's when Cheyenne is being escorted by the deputies from the train because it looks like he has his hands in front of his body like he was wearing handcuffs.

Plus, I've always wondered why Frank is making that weird hand gesture.
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: The Firecracker on April 10, 2006, 05:31:11 PM


Plus, I've always wondered why Frank is making that weird hand gesture.

maybe he is taunting him that his men were wearing his trademark cloths to impersonate him. frank is pointing at the guy next to him  who is wearing similar dusters to cheyenne's.
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: SeanSeanSean on May 19, 2006, 09:07:30 AM
A while back I posted that I found a photo of what looked like a deleted scene. Go to this website to see the picture.

http://www.valledeltabladillo.com/FotoGuests/Extra/CUVW/sceneinedite.jpg

It could also just be an out take picture.
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: SeanSeanSean on May 19, 2006, 09:15:59 AM
but Frank is the real threat. not Mr. Choo Choo.
why waste time on a guy in a wheel chair who cannot shoot straight?
Because:
Morton has the only power to stop a bullet from a gun ($$$). Mortons will kill off the Ā«ancient raceĀ». Morton's ambition is behind all the violence.  Cheyenne is the only main character indigenous to the area, so he is defending his homeland from this invader. He is fired up for being framed for the massacre. He loves Jill like his mother. He has lots of reasons.
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 19, 2006, 06:42:49 PM
He loves Jill like his mother.

Really? I don't think so. I would NEVER pat my mother's behind. Just the thought of that sends shivers down my spine.

You can tell he loves Jill in the romantic way. Just look at his longing puppy dog eyes when he looks at Jill. You can't help but feel pity for him because we all know just as well as he does that Harmonica is the one Jill loves, not Cheyenne.
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: The Firecracker on May 19, 2006, 10:41:12 PM
Harmonica is the one Jill loves,

and that has always been difficult for me to digest. I never see any passion in her towards him throughout the film until the very end.
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 19, 2006, 10:42:50 PM
and that has always been difficult for me to digest. I never see any passion in her towards him throughout the film until the very end.

I started to see something happen after the auction. Then she started to see Harmonica a bit differently.
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: The Firecracker on May 19, 2006, 10:44:17 PM
I started to see something happen after the auction. Then she started to see Harmonica a bit differently.

when?
during the bath scene she is disgusted by the way he acts by killing Franks men. I saw no passion there. In fact the whole "I love Harmonica" sub-plot was brought into the open after the final showdown.
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 19, 2006, 10:45:26 PM
when?
during the bath scene she is disgusted by the way he acts by killing Franks men. I saw no passion there. In fact the whole "I love Harmonica" sub-plot was brought into the open after the final showdown.

Just the way she's glancing at him after the auction when she claims that Harmonica is " a remarkable man. "
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: The Firecracker on May 19, 2006, 10:47:21 PM
Just the way she's glancing at him after the auction when she claims that Harmonica is " a remarkable man. "

I always took that as her being thankful for what he did rather than her being attracted to him. I dont think what brews inside her is love, I just think that she finds him somewhat suitable to raise the farm with her. She did after all need a helping hand.
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 19, 2006, 10:49:57 PM
I always took that as her being thankful for what he did rather than her being attracted to him. I dont think what brews inside her is love, I just think that she finds him somewhat suitable to raise the farm with her. She did after all need a helping hand.

Maybe, maybe not. I always thought that she loved him but you could be right. It could just be her way of saying thanks for giving her that helping hand she needed.
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: SeanSeanSean on May 20, 2006, 06:39:42 AM
Really? I don't think so. I would NEVER pat my mother's behind. Just the thought of that sends shivers down my spine.
...
I'll try not to go Freudian on you. I think Cheyenne's love comes more from admiration for her as he has for his mother, than lust.
Title: Re: Possible continuity error
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 20, 2006, 02:58:27 PM
I'll try not to go Freudian on you. I think Cheyenne's love comes more from admiration for her as he has for his mother, than lust.

I know what you meant SeanSeanSean. I'm just saying that Cheyenne clearly has lust for her so it's impossible for him to love her like a mother. Sorry for the misunderstanding!