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Title: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 11, 2006, 11:40:41 PM
I bought this title in a western box set. all the other titles are spaghetti's but not sure about this one...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065407

is it a spaghetti western?????

bought it under another name(five savage men).
any help here would be hot. thanks.


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: Banjo on April 12, 2006, 05:46:22 PM
Don't think its a sw because i'm sure i read somewhere that Henry Silva only starred in the one sw-Hills Run Red!


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 12, 2006, 05:49:57 PM
Don't think its a sw because i'm sure i read somewhere that Henry Silva only starred in the one sw-Hills Run Red!
not so..wasnt silva in "Pancho Villa"(which also bought with this one).


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: Banjo on April 12, 2006, 05:52:47 PM
Can't remember i ditched my tv recording of that stinker because its more Euro than Italian!


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 12, 2006, 05:53:56 PM
Can't remember i ditched my tv recording of that stinker because its more Euro than Italian!

havent seen it yet. but thanks for moral support. :(


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: Banjo on April 12, 2006, 06:01:11 PM
I wudda kept it but for the fact Hughes confirmed it as a Euro!
I think Marco really struggled with this one too-its that dreadful!!!


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 13, 2006, 06:11:15 AM
I wudda kept it but for the fact Hughes confirmed it as a Euro!
I think Marco really struggled with this one too-its that dreadful!!!

I'll have to find out for myself.

Hannie Caulder is a euro as well...will you keep that? If you havent seen it, its worth a look.


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: Banjo on April 13, 2006, 07:06:06 AM
Haven't seen Hannie Caulder but i kept Town Called Hell,Guns For San Sebastian and Shalako-i like Connery!
I've also got Brynner in Catlow but i'm not sure if this is a Euro or not?


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 13, 2006, 07:06:35 AM
Haven't seen Hannie Caulder but i kept Town Called Hell,Guns For San Sebastian and Shalako-i like Connery!
I've also got Brynner in Catlow but i'm not sure if this is a Euro or not?

Catlow is a euro.


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: Banjo on April 13, 2006, 07:10:26 AM
I don't know if i should add these to my sw list or not-Marco does afterall-and this would bring me up right on his tail ;D!


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 13, 2006, 07:11:16 AM
I don't know if i should add these to my sw list or not-Marco does afterall-and this would bring me up right on his tail ;D!

really? how many do you have!?

I am sporting just over 60 at the moment.


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: Banjo on April 13, 2006, 07:13:57 AM
Well with a couple on the way ;) I must only be upto a half-dozen short of the big 100 at least if i add on the Euro's!


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 13, 2006, 07:15:19 AM
Well with a couple on the way ;) I must only be upto a half-dozen short of the big 100 at least if i add on the Euro's!


no adding euros cheater!

 ;D ;)


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: Banjo on April 13, 2006, 07:17:22 AM
Will you tell Marco that as well then? ::)


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 13, 2006, 07:18:39 AM
Will you tell Marco that as well then? ::)

I'll do better.
I am gonna have a talk with that boys mother.


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: Banjo on April 13, 2006, 07:21:22 AM
Then she might consficate the whole 117 and i'll be winning ;D!


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 13, 2006, 07:25:15 AM
Then she might consficate the whole 117 and i'll be winning ;D!

in that case so will I!


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 13, 2006, 07:26:50 AM
we would still have to overcome Roger with his whopping 250 list!!!! :o]

we should get some dirt on him and tell his mother about it!


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 10, 2007, 11:28:33 AM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065407/


This is an American western trying to be an Italian one.

After a brutal stagecoach massacre/robbery five murderers (led by Keenan Wynn) kidnap one of the stagecoach passengers, a very attractive school teacher (Michele Carey of EL DORADO fame), and have their way with her at their hideout.

When they leave her to die in the desert an Apache chief (Henry Silva) finds her and nurses her back to health then aids her in her quest for revenge. Meanwhile, inept lawmen are hot on their trail.

A very violent stagecoach massacre makes for a promising opening but unfortunatly it goes nowhere afterwards.
A film like this (which is short budgeted and short minded) needs to get all that it can out of the exploitive elements. It seems to be heading in that direction within the first 20 minutes but it then turns into a slow and dull love story between the two protagonists.
And the filmmaker doesn't learn from his mistakes in the last half of the film when they begin to hunt down the villains one by one.
The kills are pretty clean. Just quick "Bang bang you're dead" style stuff.
This needed really gruesome deaths for it to be even mildly entertaining.

We get a castration for Wynn's character (all implied) but by the time that happens it's too late. The film has ten minutes left.

Surprisingly, there is a very good ending but not many will be willing to stick through the proceedings to get to it.

Silva is better than this.

Hell even Wynn is better than this.

and Carey is prettier than this.


No wonder the director (Ron Joy) never got any work after this (he has only directed this film and a GET SMART episode). :P

Carey's nude body is all I can recommend from this drivel.


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: Sonny on August 10, 2007, 11:51:24 AM


I'd give it some credit, though.  At least it tries to be Italian... being American.  I can't imagine that happens very often.


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 10, 2007, 12:02:38 PM

I'd give it some credit, though.  At least it tries to be Italian... being American.  I can't imagine that happens very often.


Actually, after the Italian western boom a lot of the American studios tried to cash in on the craze and made a few spaghetti like american outings.

They shipped their actors (and their big budgets) to Spain and kinda went over board on the gore and the violence (I guess they thought that's what the italian western was all about) at times.


A few notable spaghetti like American westerns...

Barquero  (Good film starring Lee Van Cleef)
El Condor (Very entertaining movie Also Starring Van Cleef)
Valdez is Coming (a good porno errr... ,I mean, movie with the worst ending ever)
LAWMAN (Good flick)
100 Rifles (Meh)
Shalako (it's okay)


that's all that comes to mind right, the one's that are any good, Oh and the Clint Eastwood westerns.


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: Sonny on August 10, 2007, 12:06:19 PM

Oh and the Clint Eastwood westerns.

Do they try to be Italian??? I don't see it... at least not in Unforgiven.


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: Silenzio on August 10, 2007, 12:07:32 PM
Do they try to be Italian??? I don't see it... at least not in Unforgiven.

The only one that attempts to have an italian style is High Plains Drifter, which is excellent. 


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 10, 2007, 12:17:33 PM
The only one that attempts to have an italian style is High Plains Drifter, which is excellent. 


and what about Josey Whales?

The first two acts scream spaghetti western.

"Pale Rider" is even more spaghetti influenced.

Do I even have to mention "Two Mules for sister Sarah" and "Joe Kidd"?


But I agree, "High Plains Drifter" is the one that feels more like an Italian western.


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 10, 2007, 12:19:22 PM
I don't see it... at least not in Unforgiven.


My mistake can be forgiven.


Unforgiven's Italian influence is arguable.


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: Sonny on August 10, 2007, 12:21:52 PM

My mistake can be forgiven.


Unforgiven's Italian influence is arguable.

Is it? How so?

(I have yet to see the rest which is why I didn't agree with your general statement about Eastwood's Italian influence)


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 10, 2007, 12:30:31 PM
Is it? How so?




It's all visual.

The dirty faces, the dirty clothes, sadistic villains, not so heroic heros...come on! It's as plain as day.


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: Sonny on August 10, 2007, 12:41:35 PM

It's all visual.

The dirty faces, the dirty clothes, sadistic villains, not so heroic heros...come on! It's as plain as day.

Italian westerns are far less "romantic" than American westerns, but there are plenty of "romantic" apsects to Unforgiven, such as the ending.. and the fact that even though the main character wasn;t as heroic at first, he improved considerably.  And the dirty clothes and faces are part of any atmospheric scheme, not just for Italian westerns..


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 10, 2007, 12:49:52 PM
  And the dirty clothes and faces are part of any atmospheric scheme, not just for Italian westerns..


You won't find any dirty clothes (at least it is a VERY rare occasion and certainly not as dirty as they are in the film in question) in any western after the Italian western boom.

As much as Eastwood (and everybody else it seems) doesn't like to admit that he owes a lot to the Italian filmmakers he's just gonna have to suck it up and take it.


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: Sonny on August 10, 2007, 12:57:41 PM

You won't find any dirty clothes (at least it is a VERY rare occasion and certainly not as dirty as they are in the film in question) in any western after the Italian western boom.

I'm sure you could... especially with so many "war" movies, including westerns involving wars.

As much as Eastwood (and everybody else it seems) doesn't like to admit that he owes a lot to the Italian filmmakers he's just gonna have to suck it up and take it.

He did work with one of the greatest directors of all time and something had to rub off on him.



Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 10, 2007, 12:59:15 PM
I'm sure you could... especially with so many "war" movies, including westerns involving wars.

Good luck on your search. God speed (your gonna need it).


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: Sonny on August 10, 2007, 01:05:12 PM
Good luck on your search. God speed (your gonna need it).

hey hey... this is a point i made.. even you said that there could be SOME movies with dirty clothing and faces besides Italian westerns..


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 10, 2007, 01:13:50 PM
hey hey... this is a point i made.. even you said that there could be SOME movies with dirty clothing and faces besides Italian westerns..

Yeah but marginally dirty clothing.

A little bit of dust is hardly what I would call DIRTY.


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: Sonny on August 10, 2007, 01:15:54 PM
Yeah but marginally dirty clothing.

A little bit of dust is hardly what I would call DIRTY.

 ::)

Dirty is dirty..


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 10, 2007, 01:34:55 PM
::)

Dirty is dirty..


your definition of dirty doesn't disclose UNFORGIVEN's influences.


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: Sonny on August 10, 2007, 04:21:53 PM

your definition of dirty doesn't disclose UNFORGIVEN's influences.

THat's precisely my point; I don't have a definition of "dirty"... i'm saying dirty is dirty, you never specified how dirty dirty should be when considered an Italian influence in your argument.


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 10, 2007, 04:28:48 PM
THat's precisely my point; I don't have a definition of "dirty"... i'm saying dirty is dirty, you never specified how dirty dirty should be when considered an Italian influence in your argument.


okay...

spaghetti western
(http://spaghettiwesterns.1g.fi/dirtyo/DirtyOutlaws_06.jpg)



American western
(http://www.hellinahandbasket.net/stagecoach.jpg)


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 10, 2007, 04:31:40 PM
The point is they're both westerns.



And westerns are bad ass.






Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: Sonny on August 10, 2007, 06:39:07 PM
The point is they're both westerns.



And westerns are bad ass.



Once again... Peacemaker brings PEACE to the forum..



Let's all join hands in celebration.


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: Silenzio on August 10, 2007, 06:41:44 PM
Peacemaker is right.  So you should stop talking.


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: Sonny on August 10, 2007, 06:59:59 PM
Peacemaker is right.  So you should stop talking.

Hey, did i ever say i didn't agree??

No, that's right.


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: Arizona Colt on December 31, 2010, 08:14:19 PM
Saw this awful movie on Encore Westerns a few nights ago. Essentially it's a US brutality western born out of the blood & thunder of THE WILD BUNCH (1969) and the like minded flicks that followed such as the ultra low budget CRY BLOOD, APACHE (1970), the vicious SOLDIER BLUE (1970) and the senselessly cruel THE HUNTING PARTY (1971).

Henry Silva plays Chatto, an Apache who catches Five Savage Men having their way with the gorgeous Michele Carey. All five take turns raping her and slapping her around. When finished, she's tied down naked Indian style to bake in the sun. Chatto watches from afar and saves her. Meanwhile, the five killers (the leader is played by Keenan Wynn who seems to relish playing a lead sadist) take off in separate directions while a lawman and a posse pursue them. In the meantime, Chatto teaches the super hot school teacher with the squeaky voice how to shoot and take her revenge.

From here, Chatto (who utters MAYBE five words of dialog the whole film) and Alice somehow manage to find each and every member of the gang, spread out all over creation and summarily kill them off in the most unimaginative ways possible. In its defense, one of the cretins is killed sitting in an outhouse and there's a castration. The ending is just as downbeat and gloomy as the above mentioned titles and has an equally grim, yet ambiguous final shot.

The opening of the film seems to drag for what seems like ten minutes of people riding/traveling across the desert before it kicks in with an eye openingly violent ambush followed by the torture/rape scene. After that, the movie takes a nose dive. Silva skulks around the bulk of the time with a look on his face like he smells something bad (maybe it's the movie?) and does nothing to make this rise above mediocre. Keenan Wynn tries the hardest, but it's the nudity of Carey and her figure in that tight Indian attire that makes this watchable at least once. Carey was also super hot (sans nudity) in her appearances in a few of the WILD, WILD WEST episodes, including the two parter 'The Night of the Winged Terror'.

Curiously, another equally shoddy movie came out the following year with much the same plot called HANNIE CAULDER (1971) starring Raquel Welch. Also, Michael Mann directed the pre DEATH WISH in the West, CHATO'S LAND (1972) which bears some slight similarities.


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on March 11, 2011, 01:27:43 AM
Super hot Michele Carey can also be seen in El Dorado.

(http://elviswomen.greggers.net/images/michelle-carey021.jpg)

(http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsC/2676-5604.gif)

(http://www.cinemaretro.com/uploads/MICHELECAREY.jpg)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_91s-Zkod9Gc/TItGt56o0pI/AAAAAAAAJco/ppaHA7X1Z1E/s1600/michele+carey+05.jpg)

Haven't seen the WWW episode but I assume she's dubbed in this as I don't recall her voice being that high in the Wayne movie.


EDIT: Just realized my capsule review is not in here.
I must have made two threads for the same movie as I recall very well that I wrote about this one way back in '07.

Double EDIT:

Okay, apparently that just might be Carey's voice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LDCIlVhNC8


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on March 11, 2011, 01:36:03 AM
Here's the other thread
http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=6193.0
If somebody can merge this...


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: Dust Devil on March 11, 2011, 12:15:30 PM
Here's the other thread
http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=6193.0
If somebody can merge this...

Done.


Title: Re: The Animals aka Five Savage Men (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on March 13, 2011, 01:03:33 AM
"Thank ya kindly"

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1006/1388775430_f3b2d24bb6.jpg)