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Films of Sergio Leone => Once Upon A Time In America => Topic started by: Silenzio on July 17, 2006, 06:36:20 PM

Title: Gangster Epics
Post by: Silenzio on July 17, 2006, 06:36:20 PM
I give The Godfather part II a very, very slight edge over Once Upon A Time In America. Godfather II is my third favorite movie. OUATIA is my fourth. But I still probably need to see OUATIA again.
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: The Firecracker on July 17, 2006, 07:40:46 PM
well you are on a Leone forum so the votes will most likley lean towards OUATIA.

I did the predictable thing and voted for OUATIA.

Godfather is not as awe inspiring as everybody claims it to be.

Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Groggy on July 18, 2006, 05:31:30 AM
"Godfather II", though all three are in my top ten.
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Silenzio on July 18, 2006, 06:10:24 AM
well you are on a Leone forum so the votes will most likley lead towards OUATIA.



Yeah I know.
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 18, 2006, 11:39:30 AM
I think The Godfather movies are great movies but they're not huge and epic like everyone makes them out to be.
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Silenzio on July 18, 2006, 01:03:04 PM
The Godfather movies and OUATIA are, IMO, the closest things there are to epics in the crime genre (especially OUATIA.)
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 18, 2006, 01:06:03 PM
The Godfather movies and OUATIA are, IMO, the closest things there are to epics in the crime genre (especially OUATIA.)

OUATIA is the definition of epic.   ;D

My favorite film of all time is OUATITW but OUATIA is a close second.
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Groggy on July 18, 2006, 03:27:26 PM
Well, I'd like to add "Casino" to the list.  Dunno why but I think that's considerably better than "Goodfellas", which is very episodic whereas "Casino" has a straightforward plot.  Also it has Pesci and De Niro as the leads rather than supporting Ray Liotta - plus I like the soundtrack of "Casino" better.  ;D
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Silenzio on July 18, 2006, 06:51:24 PM
OUATIA is the definition of epic.   ;D

My favorite film of all time is OUATITW but OUATIA is a close second.

OUATITW is my favorite movie as well. I need to see OUATIA again. And Godfather part II. They're always switching places between third and fourth on my top ten. I want to make a definitive decision on which is better.

But, I think the definition of epic is Lawrence of Arabia.
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: The Firecracker on July 18, 2006, 09:00:04 PM


But, I think the definition of epic is Lawrence of Arabia.

Ho-hum.
The definition of epic is GBU.
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Groggy on July 19, 2006, 05:18:51 AM
But, I think the definition of epic is Lawrence of Arabia.

Well, no disagreement here, but that isn't really a crime film, is it?
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: dave jenkins on July 19, 2006, 07:52:59 AM
Well, I'd like to add "Casino" to the list.  Dunno why but I think that's considerably better than "Goodfellas", which is very episodic whereas "Casino" has a straightforward plot.  Also it has Pesci and De Niro as the leads rather than supporting Ray Liotta - plus I like the soundtrack of "Casino" better.  ;D
I agree with Groggy. I don't think Casino is better than Goodfellas, but it's as good. If one is in consideration, the other should be too.
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 19, 2006, 11:09:24 AM
OUATITW is my favorite movie as well. I need to see OUATIA again. And Godfather part II. They're always switching places between third and fourth on my top ten. I want to make a definitive decision on which is better.

But, I think the definition of epic is Lawrence of Arabia.

My favorites list is constantly changing, except for #1 which will ALWAYS be OUATITW. But my second favorite movie is now 2001: A Space Odyssey.
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Silenzio on July 20, 2006, 11:51:29 AM
Well, no disagreement here, but that isn't really a crime film, is it?

No. But it's still the definition of epic.
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Silenzio on July 20, 2006, 11:52:24 AM
My favorites list is constantly changing, except for #1 which will ALWAYS be OUATITW. But my second favorite movie is now 2001: A Space Odyssey.

What a coincidence. Right now 2001 is my fifth favorite.
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Leone Admirer on July 31, 2006, 12:21:25 PM
Choosing out of the list at the top I would go for OUATIA. Incidentally, those who agree with me should check out the WB released boxsets called The WB Presents Gangsters Vol.1 and The WB Presents Tough Guys (Gangsters Vol.2) These incredible collections featuring Cagney, Robinson, Bogart and more are a real delight to watch and are the basis of certain choices Leone made style and story wise for OUATIA.
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: dave jenkins on August 01, 2006, 01:52:20 PM
Could you give us some examples?
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Leone Admirer on August 01, 2006, 03:24:33 PM
Films Incuded in Gangsters Boxset

Little Caeser
The Public Enemy
The Petrified Forest
Angels With Dirty Faces
The Roaring Twenties
White Heat

Films Included In Tough Guy Boxset

G-Men
Bullets Or Ballots
San Quentin
A Slight Case Of Murder
Each Dawn I Die
City For Conquest

I believe Fraylings books cite Caeser and Enemy as two main elements found in OUATIA. 
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: dave jenkins on August 03, 2006, 08:07:44 AM
Yeah, but I was hoping you could point out citations you yourself had noticed (Frayling is not always reliable in this regard).
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Leone Admirer on August 03, 2006, 10:49:24 AM
The quote about the young falling under the sword that is above the prison that Young Noodles is sent to rears it's head in Public Enemy if I remember correctly. I'll have a look again later to definatly pinpoint it in The Public Enemy. I've mentioned it on these forums before.  :)
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: cigar joe on August 04, 2006, 03:40:28 AM
What no Scarface with Paul Muni & George Raft?  ;D
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Silenzio on August 09, 2006, 04:01:57 PM
Recently, I've been thinking that OUATIA is better than Godfather, part II. I should watch them both again and make my FINAL decision.
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Leone Admirer on August 09, 2006, 04:06:03 PM
One could also say that the Dead End Kids, both in the movie of the same name and the excellent James Cagney Gangster epic Angels With Dirty Faces could be seen as a heavy influence on the portrayal of Young Noodles, Max and the gang.
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Jon0 on August 09, 2006, 04:31:17 PM
The Godfather all the way.
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: cigar joe on August 10, 2006, 08:26:48 PM
Quote
One could also say that the Dead End Kids, both in the movie of the same name and the excellent James Cagney Gangster epic Angels With Dirty Faces could be seen as a heavy influence on the portrayal of Young Noodles, Max and the gang.


Yea LA very similar, Leo Gorcey,Gabriel Dell, et al, never put them together but its true.
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: cigar joe on August 15, 2006, 04:52:53 AM
I think I'd include  Al Pacino's "Scarface" and "Gangs of New York" in this catagory.
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Tuco the ugly on August 15, 2006, 06:42:35 AM
OUATIA

-the other movies(godfather,scarface,...) are excellent gangster epics/movies,but they just can't compare with The Master
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Banjo on June 16, 2007, 03:18:14 PM
I was thinking about going a OUATIA vs Godfather vs Goodfella's poll but its probably too close to this poll.What do you think? :-\

Anyway,i'm not a huge gangster film fan,but i'd plump for Goodfella's as the very best.Joe Pesci's performance as (Tommy?) is easily the strongest wiseguy performance.The storyline is exciting,gripping,and not confusing throughout, and the movie only falls down on its soundtrack when compared to the other two.
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Jill on June 16, 2007, 04:17:05 PM
For me it's The Godfather I and II - I voted II because it's the best sequel (with TESB). OUTIA is very good, but Godfather movies are the best mafia films. OUTIA - a film by an italian, and jewish heroes... nothing to do with the Family and omerta. In  GF organised crime is very important theme - in OUTIA we had a drama of three persons, organised crime i only the historical context. It could be happen anywhere, but GF would not work without mafia.
And OUTIA is a little too long. Forther Leone films temporality is excellent - OUTIA too long. You need a little pause in the middle... Hungarian tvs play it in two parts, sometimes on two each other following days.
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: moviesceleton on June 17, 2007, 02:35:49 PM
I think GFs and OUATIA are so different kind of films that I don't like comparing them. OK, they are all set in the mob world but that's about it. GF is Michael's personal tragedy of how he becomes what he never wanted to be. GF II is about a mob family braking a real family, which used to be loving and caring. OUATIA an ode to America that never really existed. All have very twisted plots and they deal with trust and betrayal, but those are what these movies in the very end are about, IMO. Goodfellas is a great gangster film, maybe the best portrait of the grass roots of the mob, and it should be in this poll.

Eventually, I gave my vote to OUATIA. 
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Tuco the ugly on June 17, 2007, 03:18:02 PM
I was thinking about going a OUATIA vs Godfather vs Goodfella's poll but its probably too close to this poll.What do you think? :-\


One for! O0
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Man with no dame on June 17, 2007, 04:42:53 PM

One for! O0
  You've been here how long, and you still don't know where to post this stuff! :-\
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Tuco the ugly on June 17, 2007, 04:49:17 PM
  You've been here how long, and you still don't know where to post this stuff! :-\

1331 post in 2/3 weeks must be a guarantee for quality.

Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Man with no dame on June 17, 2007, 05:04:11 PM
1331 posts in 2/3 weeks must be a guaranty for quality.


  Guarantee, Tuco, guarantee. I see tonight, that you've jumped into the mix. Well, I expected better from you! Didn't think you were that easily swayed. You are always welcome to your opinion. Here's a better motto, tho: Productivity, not Destructivity!
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: mal247 on June 18, 2007, 07:54:39 AM
I saw Goodfellas at the weekend.  Been catching up - I must have been working when these gangster movies were first screened.  Saw Godfather I, II, & III a few weeks ago, followed by Scarface followed by Once Upon A Time In America, Once Upon A Time In The West & Goodfellas.
Mean Streets & Bronx Tale on order.

All good films but only one has had a lasting impression on me and only one has prompted me to view on several occasions, get the book on which it is based and research many related items.

There's an abundance of content in the book, The Hoods, too much for one film. It would be quite possible to turn it into a film similar to Goodfellas, with lots of dialogue and very little music. It probably wouldn't however support repeated viewings or make a lasting impression in the same way as OUATIA.
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 30, 2007, 09:50:55 PM
As much as I'm obsessed with Once Upon a Time in America, I'd have to give a slight edge to The Godfather and The Godfather Part II. I do however give a slight edge to OUATIA's musical score, even though I'm obsessed with The Godfather score. I mean sometimes, these films all can go hand and hand, they're all brilliant. If I had to pick however I think I'd lean towards The Godfather Part I and II.
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Whalestoe on July 30, 2007, 10:30:20 PM
Godfather Pt. II slightly edges out OUATIA for me. There's just something about De Niro as Vito that I can't get enough of.
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 31, 2007, 08:12:33 PM
Godfather Pt. II slightly edges out OUATIA for me. There's just something about De Niro as Vito that I can't get enough of.

I thought both Pacino and De Niro were equally brilliant in Godfather II.
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: PowerRR on July 31, 2007, 09:13:21 PM
I generally prefer movies in which cops screw underage girls on rooftops. Just a personal thing.
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Whalestoe on August 01, 2007, 12:32:35 AM
I generally prefer movies in which cops screw underage girls on rooftops. Just a personal thing.

Then you need to watch The Shield.
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: uncknown on August 02, 2007, 08:16:05 PM
THE UNTOUCHABLES

best film , best score

'nuff said!
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 02, 2007, 08:20:05 PM
THE UNTOUCHABLES

best film , best score

'nuff said!

How can you possibly say that the score for The Untouchables is better than OUATIA?!?!?!?   :o
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on August 02, 2007, 08:23:28 PM
How can you possibly say that the score for The Untouchables is better than OUATIA?!?!?!?   :o

I'm in agreement here with Peacemaker. The Untouchables score, although very good, doesn't hold a candle to OUATIA's score.
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: uncknown on August 02, 2007, 10:28:46 PM
How can you possibly say that the score for The Untouchables is better than OUATIA?!?!?!?   :o

:)
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: uncknown on August 02, 2007, 10:30:48 PM
I'm in agreement here with Peacemaker. The Untouchables score, although very good, doesn't hold a candle to OUATIA's score.

I am sure  the two of you will be very happy together!
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Whalestoe on August 02, 2007, 11:29:45 PM
The three of us will ;)
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on August 03, 2007, 10:03:55 AM
hahahaha ;D

uncknown. It's ok friend. It's just a friendly opinion. Nobody is against anybody here.  O0
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: uncknown on August 03, 2007, 03:20:23 PM
hahahaha ;D

uncknown. It's ok friend. It's just a friendly opinion. Nobody is against anybody here.  O0

Hey, if you guys wanna have a menage a trois, it's none of my business!
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Whalestoe on August 03, 2007, 03:58:33 PM
Hey, if you guys wanna have a menage a trois, it's none of my business!

Now I'm off to watch DYS thanks to this comment. 
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on August 03, 2007, 05:35:58 PM
strange uncknown.  ???
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: uncknown on August 03, 2007, 07:38:04 PM
Now I'm off to watch DYS thanks to this comment. 

LOL!
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 04, 2007, 10:36:40 PM
Hey, if you guys wanna have a menage a trois, it's none of my business!

You scare me.   :o


Lay off the wacky tobaccy!
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: uncknown on August 04, 2007, 11:54:56 PM
You scare me.   :o


Lay off the wacky tobaccy!

I usually prefer to smoke just after a meal..
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Kurug3n on August 05, 2007, 10:11:51 PM
THE UNTOUCHABLES

best film , best score

'nuff said!

That was such a weird montage score  ;D
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 05, 2007, 10:17:17 PM
That was such a weird montage score  ;D

It's still a cool soundtrack.
Title: Re: Gangster Epics
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on August 05, 2007, 10:22:32 PM
It's still a cool soundtrack.

I do like the soundtrack, but it's not better than OUATIA in my opinion.