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Title: Tomas Milian?
Post by: The Firecracker on July 19, 2006, 01:47:21 PM
I for one cannot see anybody else in the role of Juan Miranda besides Steiger. BUT I thought it would be interesting to see how Milian would have differed. They both over act a bit in each of there films and they both are method actors...so...would he have been a good if not better choice?

comments? opinions?


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 19, 2006, 01:50:34 PM
I for one cannot see anybody else in the role of Juan Miranda besides Steiger. BUT I thought it would be interesting to see how Milian would have differed. They both over act a bit in each of there films and they both are method actors...so...would he have been a good if not better choice?

comments? opinions?


OH! And Franco Nero as John!

Even though Coburn is cooler than ice, I still would like to see that.


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: The Firecracker on July 19, 2006, 01:52:11 PM

OH! And Franco Nero as John!



NO NO NO!
Coburn was perfect for that role, with or without a bad accent. ;)


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 19, 2006, 01:54:56 PM
NO NO NO!
Coburn was perfect for that role, with or without a bad accent. ;)

It's not the accent, it's just if they had Tomas Milian playing Juan, I can definitely see Nero playing John. It's the perfect match for a buddy picture.

But nobody can top Steiger and Coburn. It's just an interesting thought.


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: geoman-1 on July 19, 2006, 03:36:08 PM
I personally liked Steiger's performance. Some say over the top in some scenes, but I say his acting style allowed the viewer to feel the passions that were intrinsic to Juan's
character. I still believe it was a highlight in his long career.
Coburn...again I thought he fit the character well.
Bottom line for me...leave perfection alone. Just MHO.


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: The Firecracker on July 19, 2006, 03:39:19 PM

Bottom line for me...leave perfection alone. Just MHO.

that goes for me as well. But I was just speaking for others who surprisingly didnt like Steiger in this.

I think DYS is the best film those two (Coburn, Steiger) have ever done.


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: geoman-1 on July 19, 2006, 03:51:09 PM
But I was just speaking for others who surprisingly didnt like Steiger in this.


Firecracker,

Sometimes there is just no accounting for taste.


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: The Firecracker on July 19, 2006, 03:53:45 PM
Firecracker,

Sometimes there is just no accounting for taste.

as much as I would like to believe that...

that is not so...

sometimes I may seem heavily opinionated on something (and I may come off as a jerk) but at the end of the day no matter how wrong or stupid I think a persons opinion is I still accept it as a valid one. We are all different after all.


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: geoman-1 on July 19, 2006, 04:08:57 PM


Sometimes there is just no accounting for taste.
  I should have concluded that sentence with ;).
I certainly don't want to insult anyone in the group.
I guess it is just my quirky sense of humor trying to surface.


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 19, 2006, 05:21:34 PM
I still think the Milian/Nero partnership as Juan and John would've worked.


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: cigar joe on July 19, 2006, 09:26:02 PM
Millian would have worked I think too.


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: dave jenkins on July 20, 2006, 09:14:55 AM
I still think the Milian/Nero partnership as Juan and John would've worked.
Well, both actors are still available for the remake.......


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 20, 2006, 03:38:15 PM
Well, both actors are still available for the remake.......

Well, hmmm.



I hate remakes but I think it's a good idea in a situation like DYS where the movie is not known and a remake is made to increase it's popularity. But it has to be done right, not like that horrible Honeymooners remake!!!   >:(


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: The Firecracker on July 20, 2006, 09:00:26 PM
Well, hmmm.



I hate remakes but I think it's a good idea in a situation like DYS where the movie is not known and a remake is made to increase it's popularity. But it has to be done right, not like that horrible Honeymooners remake!!!   >:(


joking I hope.


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 20, 2006, 09:02:54 PM

joking I hope.

No.  :-[


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: The Firecracker on July 20, 2006, 09:09:31 PM
No.  :-[

 :o

just for the sake of arguement...

There should be no remake for the sake of making DYS popular. if anything it should be advertised to the public that this movie exist. Those who are interested will look into it and those who arent lose one more wonderful experience they could have had in their life.


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 20, 2006, 09:18:32 PM
:o

just for the sake of arguement...

There should be no remake for the sake of making DYS popular. if anything it should be advertised to the public that this movie exist. Those who are interested will look into it and those who arent lose one more wonderful experience they could have had in their life.

Unfortunately they tried doing that a few years ago. The Film Forum in Manhattan released the film for almost two weeks and although the New York Times had some good things to say about it, it still did not increase it's popularity.


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: The Firecracker on July 20, 2006, 09:22:55 PM
Unfortunately they tried doing that a few years ago. The Film Forum in Manhattan released the film for almost two weeks and although the New York Times had some good things to say about it, it still did not increase it's popularity.

well trying is trying. It wont hurt to try again.


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 20, 2006, 09:39:31 PM
well trying is trying. It wont hurt to try again.

Film Forum only shows a film once and unless it has popular demand to bring it back, they don't replay it.

I was really pissed about DYS. It came out in the theaters a few months after I saw it for the first time. I went to my house one day and my aunt was home and she told me DYS was at the Film Forum. I was excited to see it but she told me that it was too late. It was out the week before. I said to her " why didn't you tell me? " and she said she just forgot. I was really pissed off that day.


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: Tim on July 21, 2006, 11:12:03 AM
  I think the thing that would help DYS get more attention/publicity would be a DVD release, it doesn't even have to be a special edition.  Most movie fans have at least heard of Sergio Leone, so if they've seen the Dollars trilogy, OUATITW or OUATIA, they'd probably jump at the chance to see another Leone movie.  Or at least that's how I see it.

  The main thing holding DYS back is that there isn't a good release on DVD or VHS for people to buy it.  The five other Leone movies are all readily available for those curious in seeing the movies.

  And as for a remake, I'm not sure.  But Peacemaker, you're on the right track.  If it's gonna be made, at least make it a proper remake.  And of all Leone's movies, I think DYS is the most ripe for a remake.


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 21, 2006, 12:38:40 PM

  And as for a remake, I'm not sure.  But Peacemaker, you're on the right track.  If it's gonna be made, at least make it a proper remake.  And of all Leone's movies, I think DYS is the most ripe for a remake.

The other movies don't have to be remade they're already popular enough. DYS is barely heard of.


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: The Firecracker on July 21, 2006, 02:31:44 PM
The other movies don't have to be remade they're already popular enough. DYS is barely heard of.

DYS has enough cult fan base of people here in America who havent seen it but want to. When and if a dvd is released it will get the attention it deserves. mind you it will take years for it to be as known as say...OUATITW ( which is still virtually unknown compared to the Dollars film).


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 21, 2006, 02:38:01 PM
DYS has enough cult fan base of people here in America who havent seen it but want to. When and if a dvd is released it will get the attention it deserves. mind you it will take years for it to be as known as say...OUATITW ( which is still virtually unknown compared to the Dollars film).

DYS needs to have a DVD release, but you think it's going to happen anytime soon?   ::)


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: The Firecracker on July 21, 2006, 02:41:17 PM
DYS needs to have a DVD release, but you think it's going to happen anytime soon?   ::)

oh those people who are bringing out the blu rey (or whatever) will definatly release the long awaited special editions of the first two dollar films and DYS. Anything to make a quick buck they'll do it. And their gonna be sappin our money away for years to come by making the oober editions of films we already have three times over!

But were fools and we fall for it.

supply and demand.


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 21, 2006, 02:43:17 PM
oh those people who are bringing out the blu rey (or whatever) will definatly release the long awaited special editions of the first two dollar films and DYS. Anything to make a quick buck they'll do it. And their gonna be sappin our money away for years to come by making the oober editions of films we already have three times over!

But were fools and we fall for it.

supply and demand.

I hope so. These movies need special editions.


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: cigar joe on July 21, 2006, 04:38:43 PM
They sure do indeed


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: Banjo on July 22, 2006, 02:02:56 AM
I love Milian but i'm not sure if he could've conveyed such a compelling emotional performance as Steiger so i guess i'd need to see Milian in a more serious role than evidenced in his sw's-offhand i can't think of any examples here where Milian moves me as much as Steigers Juan.
 


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: dave jenkins on July 22, 2006, 11:44:36 AM
So, besides Milian and Nero, who else should be cast in the Giu la testa remake?


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: The Firecracker on July 22, 2006, 02:14:16 PM
So, besides Milian and Nero, who else should be cast in the Giu la testa remake?


Abbot and Costello :-\... ?


McDowall was once mentioned for the part of John. think about it...


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 22, 2006, 03:02:56 PM

Abbot and Costello :-\... ?


McDowall was once mentioned for the part of John. think about it...

Malcolm McDowell would've made a great John. Plus I love his voice. I don't know why but I think British accents are cool.   8)


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: Banjo on July 23, 2006, 04:29:02 AM
Malcolm McDowell would've made a great John. Plus I love his voice. I don't know why but I think British accents are cool.   8)
What about Donald Sutherland as Mallory?-he made a great terrorist in The Eagle Has Landed with a convincing Irish accent?


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: The Firecracker on July 23, 2006, 10:29:45 AM
What about Donald Sutherland as Mallory?-he made a great terrorist in The Eagle Has Landed with a convincing Irish accent?

well I dont think the IRA would appreciate being called terrorist but anyway... ;D

...Donald Sutherland would be an excellent choice I think. He even has the same Lanky features as Coburn does. Good choice Banjo.


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 23, 2006, 12:21:25 PM
well I dont think the IRA would appreciate being called terrorist but anyway... ;D

...Donald Sutherland would be an excellent choice I think. He even has the same Lanky features as Coburn does. Good choice Banjo.

And Donald Sutherland has the accent. I like James Coburn's in the film but Sutherland's is authentic. I still think Malcolm McDowell would've been better than Sutherland, though.


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: indio9 on July 23, 2006, 07:21:36 PM
As a newbie,...here's a thought...

for Sean ...Jack Nicholson

for Juan....Anthony Quinn


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 23, 2006, 07:23:02 PM
As a newbie,...here's a thought...

for Sean ...Jack Nicholson

for Juan....Anthony Quinn

Whoa. Anthony Quinn could pull it off, but Jack Nicholson as John? That can't work.


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: indio9 on July 23, 2006, 07:24:55 PM
you know...Jack looks a lot like David Warbeck...




Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: The Firecracker on July 23, 2006, 07:28:15 PM
you know...Jack looks a lot like David Warbeck...




forehead maybe. but face? No.


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 23, 2006, 07:29:36 PM
forehead maybe. but face? No.

I can't see Jack Nicholson instead of David Warbeck.


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: dave jenkins on July 24, 2006, 08:03:06 AM
Dr. Viellga? Gunther Ruiz?


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 24, 2006, 09:09:12 AM
Dr. Viellga? Gunther Ruiz?

You mean Jack Nicholson as Dr. Villega or Ruiz?


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: dave jenkins on July 24, 2006, 10:03:18 AM
I mean, enough with casting Mallory and Juan Miranda already, there are other parts to cast!


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: Tim on July 24, 2006, 11:15:56 AM
  How about Aldo Sambrell as Dr. Villega, a nod to one of the more recognizable faces in spaghettis?  I can't think of anyone for Ruiz, that's a tough one.


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: The Firecracker on July 24, 2006, 01:14:23 PM
I mean, enough with casting Mallory and Juan Miranda already, there are other parts to cast!
topic doesnt say cast for a remake.


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 24, 2006, 03:24:26 PM
topic doesnt say cast for a remake.

Just ideas for a different cast back in 1971.


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: The Firecracker on July 24, 2006, 03:54:18 PM
Just ideas for a different cast back in 1971.

no thats fine. I was just saying that Dave Jenkins came off as a bit hasty on that last remark.
Cast for a remake by all means. its all good fun anyway. :D


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: Groggy on July 25, 2006, 06:25:57 AM
Tom Courtenay as Sean might have been interesting - a very intense actor who definitely could've pulled it off (though his Sean would've been different than Coburn's).  But then, I've been watching too much "Doctor Zhivago" recently. . .  :P


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: geoman-1 on July 29, 2006, 08:10:23 AM
I can't see Jack Nicholson instead of David Warbeck.
I came across some info re: David Warbeck while surfing the net...It seems that Leone chose Warbeck for the role simply because he looked so much like Nicholson, who was
peaking in his career in the early seventies.


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 29, 2006, 09:54:26 AM
I came across some info re: David Warbeck while surfing the net...It seems that Leone chose Warbeck for the role simply because he looked so much like Nicholson, who was
peaking in his career in the early seventies.

Really? I learned something new today.


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: The Firecracker on July 29, 2006, 11:01:51 PM
Warbeck's forehead is the only resemblance he has to Nicholson (without that mole of course  ;)  )


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: dave jenkins on February 01, 2009, 01:59:35 PM
Kinski should have been in this picture!


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: Groggy on February 01, 2009, 02:05:04 PM
Paul Scofield as Villega! :D


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: dave jenkins on February 01, 2009, 02:07:44 PM
I LIKE it! O0


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: Groggy on February 01, 2009, 02:13:02 PM
Good. Now who is Kinski playing?


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: dave jenkins on February 01, 2009, 02:15:08 PM
He plays who he always plays: Kinski. ;)


Title: Re: Tomas Milian?
Post by: Jill on February 03, 2009, 04:20:46 AM
Kinski should play the Evil German Officer (always forget his name).  ;D



Title: Re: Tomas Milian?
Post by: Groggy on February 03, 2009, 10:34:58 AM
Well if we had the same film he would have been completely wasted.


Title: Re: Tomas Milian?
Post by: Jill on February 04, 2009, 12:48:33 PM
Oh, Kinski could make even little roles great. Just remember the hunchback.


Title: Re: Tomas Milian?
Post by: O'Cangaceiro on February 04, 2009, 07:38:10 PM
What about this?:

Eli Wallach as Juan Miranda

Peter O'Toole as John Mallory

Gerard Herter or Telly Savalas as Gunter Ruiz

Benito Stefanelli as Dr. Villega


Title: Re: Tomas Milian?
Post by: Groggy on February 04, 2009, 07:58:14 PM
Wallach and O'Toole would be interesting, although their Juan and John would be vastly different from the ones we know. Stefanelli is okay as random henchman #45 but he doesn't have anything of the gravitas needed for Villega (Valli is perfectly cast I think). I don't think anyone could have gotten much of Ruiz as written.


Title: Re: Tomas Milain?
Post by: SeanSeanSean on February 08, 2009, 11:31:26 AM
:o

just for the sake of arguement...

There should be no remake for the sake of making DYS popular. if anything it should be advertised to the public that this movie exist. Those who are interested will look into it and those who arent lose one more wonderful experience they could have had in their life.
I am with the Firecracker at 100% on this. Leone stands alone and his films need no remaking.
All his films are set in the past. His attention to detail is remarkable. Why a remake? Would the 1930's of OUATIA or the 1870's of OUATITW be presented with more precision than Leone's treatment. No remake on any of his films could do justice to the original. 


Title: Re: Tomas Milian?
Post by: LINCOLNS GRANDFATHER on April 02, 2009, 03:27:58 PM
If not Coburn, then Richard Harris -Gritty, he can act and he's Irish so he does'nt like the Tans just like Mallory.