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Title: The Last Sunset (1961)
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 12, 2006, 02:21:31 PM
Ultra rare western that influenced OUATITW heavily goes on TCM after Winchester '73...




The Last Sunset!

I'm going to tape it!!


Title: Re: The Last Sunset (1961)
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 12, 2006, 06:10:02 PM
Well, I saw the Last Sunset...












It sucked.   :(

It was interesting at first, then it got boring, then at the end it was just wierd. They say that the showdown scene of OUATITW is almost exactly like the showdown in this crap. There was very little in common except for the circling around the enemy.

Though, the ending of this film inspired something at the end of Companeros.   ;)

But I hope no one else took my advice, this movie was crap.


Title: Re: The Last Sunset (1961)
Post by: Tim on August 12, 2006, 06:20:34 PM
  I wouldn't say it sucked, but it could have been a lot better, especially given the cast.  I agree though that it started off pretty well but went downhill after Joseph Cotten met his maker.

  How about that twist, Peacemaker?!  I guess I should have seen that coming, but didn't.  And I liked the touch with Douglas' gun at the final showdown.


Title: Re: The Last Sunset (1961)
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 12, 2006, 06:24:46 PM
  I wouldn't say it sucked, but it could have been a lot better, especially given the cast.  I agree though that it started off pretty well but went downhill after Joseph Cotten met his maker.

  How about that twist, Peacemaker?!  I guess I should have seen that coming, but didn't.  And I liked the touch with Douglas' gun at the final showdown.

The twist was interesting...but it was just sooooo wrong!

After Cotten left the movie did go downhill. Did you notice that the end of Companeros is just like this?


Title: Re: The Last Sunset (1961)
Post by: Tim on August 12, 2006, 06:28:40 PM
  I did notice that Peacemaker.  You can see how this movie had some influence on spaghettis, but like we both said, it just wasn't that good overall.  It felt like I was watching it for 4 or 5 hours instead of two.

  I was disappointed that it wasn't shown in widescreen either.  It looked like a movie that would have been benefited from that instead of the pan-n-scan, which still didn't look too bad.

  All in all, for a movie with Kirk Douglas and Rock Hudson, it just didn't live up to expectations.


Title: Re: The Last Sunset (1961)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on August 12, 2006, 06:32:55 PM
It was Ok...a little tedious at times...A Western soap opera. Such a cast...including Neville Brand & Jack Elam in supporting roles..but no great shakes.
I saw the "twist" coming very early on..but not, what in a 1961 movie couldn;t be more explicit about..., the exact reason that Douglas unloaded his gun..much too provocative...& chillingly interesting..but the way that it couldn't be presented...& only hinted at..took away the impact.
If you want to see a Robert Aldrich film that had a profound influence on spaghettis...I urge you to see "Vera Cruz".


Title: Re: The Last Sunset (1961)
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 12, 2006, 06:33:06 PM
  It looked like a movie that would have been benefited from that instead of the pan-n-scan, which still didn't look too bad.

Actually, it was one of those 60's westerns that had the same ratio as a TV so that was the whole picture.

* Spoilers Ahead *

I immiediately saw Companeros at the end of the movie. First of all, the showdown took place on the outskirts of the city near a lone boxcar on a track ( like the Swede's weapons car ), then Rock Hudson takes out Kirk's derringer and opens it. He says " It wasn't even loaded " just like Tomas Milian said when the Professor was killed by Palance.


Title: Re: The Last Sunset (1961)
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 12, 2006, 06:36:42 PM
It was Ok...a little tedious at times...A Western soap opera. Such a cast...including Neville Brand & Jack Elam in supporting roles..but no great shakes.
I saw the "twist" coming very early on..but not, what in a 1961 movie couldn;t be more explicit about..., the exact reason that Douglas unloaded his gun..much too provocative...& chillingly interesting..but the way that it couldn't be presented...& only hinted at..took away the impact.
If you want to see a Robert Aldrich film that had a profound influence on spaghettis...I urge you to see "Vera Cruz".


i think Douglas left his gun unloaded because he realized that the girl was his daughter and he just felt so guilty. At that point, he wanted to die. that's how i saw it. But it still didn't save the movie which I thought was too slow, too drawn-out, and too soapy.   ;D

Oh and I did see Vera Cruz. I thought it was alright. I expected a bit more, but there were still some good scenes like the shooting compettition Lancaster and Cooper were in at the French Ball.


Title: Re: The Last Sunset (1961)
Post by: Tim on August 12, 2006, 06:38:49 PM
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i think Douglas left his gun unloaded because he realized that the girl was his daughter and he just felt so guilty. At that point, he wanted to die. that's how i saw it. But it still didn't save the movie which I thought was too slow, too drawn-out, and too soapy.

  That's what I thought, that he couldn't live with himself after the secret was revealed.  Besides, could you imagine that scene with Melissa when he has to explain what has happened?  AWKWARD.   :o


Title: Re: The Last Sunset (1961)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on August 12, 2006, 06:42:23 PM
i think Douglas left his gun unloaded because he realized that the girl was his daughter and he just felt so guilty.

The implication...was that the previous night when Missy & he met..& started kissing..it went much further...which explain's his bombed out reaction to the news that Missy was his daughter...& his wish for death.
In 1961...they had to really be careful..but incest was implied.


Title: Re: The Last Sunset (1961)
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 12, 2006, 06:45:04 PM
The implication...was that the previous night when Missy & he met..& started kissing..it went much further...which explain's his bombed out reaction to the news that Missy was his daughter...& his wish for death.
In 1961...they had to really be careful..but incest was implied.

Right, exactly. We all know what happened after they started to kiss. It's just scarey.   :-\


Title: Re: The Last Sunset (1961)
Post by: Tim on August 12, 2006, 06:47:01 PM
  Now think about what might have happened because of their one night together.  Poor kid....  :'(


Title: Re: The Last Sunset (1961)
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 12, 2006, 06:49:52 PM
  Now think about what might have happened because of their one night together.  Poor kid....  :'(

Oh my God!!!! That's....I mean...it's...you gotta.....oh my God!!!   :o   :o   :o


Title: Re: The Last Sunset (1961)
Post by: Tim on August 12, 2006, 06:53:12 PM
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Oh my God!!!! That's....I mean...it's...you gotta.....oh my God!!!

  Exactly.  I've got that queasy feeling again.   :-X


Title: Re: The Last Sunset (1961)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on August 12, 2006, 06:55:37 PM
  Exactly.  I've got that queasy feeling again.   :-X

Take two aspirin & watch "Mary Poppins"..you'll be fine. ;)


Title: Re: The Last Sunset (1961)
Post by: Tim on August 12, 2006, 06:57:27 PM
  Thanks, angel.  I'll get right on that. :)


Title: Re: The Last Sunset (1961)
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 12, 2006, 06:57:50 PM
Take two aspirin & watch "Mary Poppins"..you'll be fine. ;)

Just don't take too many aspirins or that'll be the craziest version of Mary Poppins you'll ever see in your life.   ;D    ;)


Title: Re: The Last Sunset (1961)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 12, 2006, 07:24:43 PM
Just don't take too many aspirins or that'll be the craziest version of Mary Poppins you'll ever see in your life.   ;D    ;)

as if that movie wasnt trippy enough. :-\


Title: Re: The Last Sunset (1961)
Post by: moviesceleton on August 15, 2007, 12:51:19 PM
I must be the only one who actually liked this movie. I give it 7.5-8/10. Not a masterpiece, but could have been. If this had been made during or after the spaghetti boom, it could have been different (I know that's a paradox to say so, since this inspired OUATITW). The showdown could have been grand but they hurried too much with it; obviously they didn't have the courage of Leone to make it even more drawn-out. The twist worked for me and that is very strange because it's not really the most original twist.


Title: Re: The Last Sunset (1961)
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 15, 2007, 12:57:50 PM
I didn't like it.


Could've been good, but wasn't.


Title: Re: The Last Sunset (1961)
Post by: Silenzio on August 15, 2007, 12:58:58 PM
I didn't like it.


Could've been good, but wasn't.

You should be a film critic.


Title: Re: The Last Sunset (1961)
Post by: Cusser on August 15, 2007, 01:03:33 PM
It was OK.  Douglas and Hudson too clean-cut looking for a cattle drive.  needs flies, dirt, stubble, less obvious on relationship to the girl.


Title: Re: The Last Sunset (1961)
Post by: greenbudgie on March 22, 2017, 06:24:05 AM
It has a great cast to watch. I found part of the story a bit unsavoury but I won't let that let me sway me to being too critical of the film.

There is some pretty photography with the St Elmo's fire etc. It's good to hear Kirk Douglas singing again like he had with his 'Whale Of  A Tale' from a Disney 1950s film. Although I wasn't so sure that it was him singing this time. I wonder if he was dubbed in this?

It's a better western from Aldrich this time after being disappointed by his '4 For Texas' recently. That one did really get boring.


Title: Re: The Last Sunset (1961)
Post by: mike siegel on March 22, 2017, 01:56:53 PM
Rather bad film. Must be, because I like the three principals A LOT.

I feel Aldrich always needed a certain type of men,
he succeeded quite well with Lancaster, Lee Marvin, Borgnine...

I never saw TOO LATE THE HEROES. Anybody?


Title: Re: The Last Sunset (1961)
Post by: stanton on March 22, 2017, 02:44:51 PM
Too Late the Hero feels a bit stagey. And it is a bit pretentious, but then, films with Michael Caine rarely really suck. 7/10

The Last Sunset suffers from a Dalton Trumbo script, heavy-handed as usual. It wasn't a film Aldrich wanted to do, and it was in a troubled phase when his career was really in danger. It is not a great film, but good enough for a  fair 6/10.

4 for Texas is more puzzling, cause it was made after (and not before) his comeback film Whatever Happened to Baby Jane, and he should have had again every freedom he always was fighting for, and Aldrich co-wrote the screenplay and even produced it with his own company, but it seems it was Sinatra who was the chief in the ring. Not much in this odd film really works. Neither the drama nor the comedy. Still there are worse, but it is just another ordinary Sinatra clan film and doubtless Aldrich's weakest western. 4/10 for Dino and a sinister Bronson and Jack Elam living up to his "2 reel Jack" fame by complying with it already in reel one.


Title: Re: The Last Sunset (1961)
Post by: greenbudgie on March 24, 2017, 06:28:54 AM
I am amazed what a variety of different styles of films that Aldrich made. And he made some strange choices. '4 For Texas' is probably the strangest choice of them from what I have seen so far. His themes of his 1960s films are a surprise. I think that 'What Ever Happened To Baby Jane' worked the best for him in this period.

I want to see his 'Apache' again from 1954. That was a good picture with Burt Lancaster and Jean Peters in it. There was some great scenery and photography in that if I remember rightly.


Title: Re: The Last Sunset (1961)
Post by: Spikeopath on May 18, 2017, 07:53:24 AM
Adding my review to thread.

Well, you see cowboys aren't very bright. They're always broke and generally they're drunk.

The Last Sunset is directed by Robert Aldrich and adapted by Dalton Trumbo from Howard Rigsby's novel Sundown at Crazy Horse. It stars Rock Hudson, Kirk Douglas, Dorothy Malone, Joseph Cotton and Carol Lynley. In support are Jack Elam, Neville Brand & James Westmoreland. The music score is by Ernest Gold, with contributions from Dimitri Tiomkin & Tomás Méndez, and Ernest Laszlo is the cinematographer. It's shot in Eastman Color by Pathe, with the locations for the shoot being Aguascalientes & Distrito Federal in Mexico.

Brendan O'Malley (Douglas) is on the run and drifts into Mexico where he arrives at the home of old flame Belle Breckenridge (Malone). She resides with her drunkard husband John (Cotton) and her daughter Melissa, they are in preparation for a cattle drive to Texas. Hot on O'Malley's heels is lawman Dana Stribling (Hudson) who has a very personal reason for getting him back for justice to be served. Making an uneasy agreement, both men join the Breckenridge's on the drive. As they near Texas the tensions start to mount, not least because Stribling is starting to court Belle and O'Malley is increasingly drawn by her daughter Missy.

Lyrical, contemplative and evocative, three words you wouldn't readily associate with the director of Ulzana's Raid, The Longest Yard and The Dirty Dozen. Yet all three words are very fitting for this underseen Robert Aldrich movie. Although containing many of the basic elements that made up the American Western film's of the 50s, The Last Sunset has a very intriguing screenplay by Trumbo from which to flourish. The story is crammed full of sexual neurosis, yearnings, regret, hate, revenge and forbidden love. If that all sounds very "Greek Tragedy" then that's probably about right, as is the film being likened to a Western done by Douglas Sirk. It is melodramatic, but it does have moments of levity and up tempo action sequences, too. It's a very rounded picture, with very well formed characters, characters very well brought to life by the mostly on form cast. All played out amongst some gorgeous scenic panorama's that Aldrich and Laszlo have managed to make seem as poetic observers to the unfolding drama.

Some of it's odd, and the film is far from flawless (Cotten is poor, Elam & Brand underused), but the little irks are easily forgiven when judging the film as a whole. Lyrical, contemplative and evocative: indeed. 8/10


Title: Re: The Last Sunset (1961)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on May 24, 2017, 01:44:11 AM
Saw the movie on TCM recently. It's awful. A dumb soap opera; nothing really Western about it.

One good thing: Cinematography is great. The TCM print was great. It's beautiful to look at. A visually lovely piece of shit.

4/10