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Title: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: titoli on August 20, 2006, 10:56:19 AM

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096487/


I am watching the movie this very moment. As usual, can't understand the why and wherefore of the love story subplot: was it really necessary? I mean, do these scene guarantee a grab on the female audiences? But how many prospect male patrons do they alienate?


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: Banjo on August 21, 2006, 02:38:51 AM
I am watching the movie this very moment. As usual, can't understand the why and wherefore of the love story subplot: was it really necessary? I mean, do these scene guarantee a grab on the female audiences? But how many prospect male patrons do they alienate?
A totally crap film in fact don't you think? ::)


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: cigar joe on August 21, 2006, 05:15:15 AM
I didn't like it that much either seems like it was just some studio vison of putting a bunch of pretty faces together and make a Western.


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: titoli on August 21, 2006, 10:54:24 AM
I wouldn't be so drastic. It isn't a movie I would like to see again, but I didn't turn off the player either. I think that the final siege is worth watching. I also liked the scene in the bar where the Kid removes the cartridges from the would-be killer's gun. Also Estevez performance (to me Estevez was just a name before this movie) isn't that bad. He reminds me sometime of Sean Penn, an "actor" I detest: still the figure of the Kid as a half-demented killer which the movie portends to portrait, is well delineated: better in the second part, than the first. I hated Keefer Sutherland's character, which just doesn't belong there. And apart from the usual Palance and Stamp's impeccable
performances no actor is worth of note.
The score sometime is a nightmare: rock must be blended with western, not just superimposed.
 



   


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: Tim on August 21, 2006, 11:04:02 AM
  I liked Pat Wayne showing up briefly as Sheriff Pat Garrett.  It's a decent movie, I actually prefer the second one, but not one I'd run out and buy for the dvd collection.


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: titoli on August 21, 2006, 11:07:49 AM
The second one what?


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: Tim on August 21, 2006, 11:10:33 AM
  Young Guns 2, there's a sequel.


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: titoli on August 21, 2006, 11:33:04 AM
Ah!


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: Tim on August 21, 2006, 11:36:23 AM
  It seems pretty pointless because at the end of the first one, we're told what happened to all the gang after the siege, with the whole "pals" thing.  Still, the second one is entertaining.


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: cigar joe on August 21, 2006, 11:52:36 AM
Get and watch "Dirty Little Billy" my idea of what a film about Billy The Kid should be like,  ;D


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: Amaze on August 21, 2006, 12:15:55 PM
give "pat garret and billy the kid" a try. james coburn plays garret. I think peckinpah directed it.


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: cigar joe on August 21, 2006, 05:34:13 PM
Kristoferson was miscast in PG& BTK he still looks about 40 (thats why they had him shave I think) now if you ever saw the existing photo of BTK you'll see why Michale J. Pollard fits the part well, lol.


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 21, 2006, 05:45:46 PM
Kristoferson was miscast in PG& BTK he still looks about 40 (thats why they had him shave I think) now if you ever saw the existing photo of BTK you'll see why Michale J. Pollard fits the part well, lol.


J Pollard is rather husky to be BTK dont you think CJ? The real BTK is a scrawny guy.


"was".
excuse me.


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: cigar joe on August 21, 2006, 05:55:07 PM
Not in the 60's early 70's he was pretty scrawny I think.

(http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/6613/dirtylittlebilly0eu.jpg)


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 21, 2006, 05:59:36 PM
Not in the 60's early 70's he was pretty scrawny I think.

(http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/6613/dirtylittlebilly0eu.jpg)





I dont know....

This guy doesnt look anything like Pollard to me...

http://www.rockincherokee.com/billy.gif


In fact the guy who played Guy Calloway in FAFDM is a dead ringer for BTK, although much uglier.


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: cigar joe on August 21, 2006, 09:19:29 PM
but this guy does  8) and Pollard looks more like him than Emilio Esterves does

(http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/5580/btkcm4.jpg)


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 22, 2006, 12:13:44 AM
but this guy does  8) and Pollard looks more like him than Emilio Esterves does


estevez? No arguement there.


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: Banjo on August 22, 2006, 01:52:02 AM
give "pat garret and billy the kid" a try. james coburn plays garret. I think peckinpah directed it.
The perfect cure for insomnia! ;D


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: cigar joe on August 22, 2006, 08:53:17 PM
Quote
The perfect cure for insomnia

 8)


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: titoli on October 25, 2006, 09:02:28 PM
I have just watched number 2. Better than the first as it has no stupid love story subplot.
Coburn is playing Chisum and I was amazed that his name was lost among many instead of having a place to himself (also justified by the not irrelevant part he's playing). A shame.


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: Amaze on October 26, 2006, 07:56:58 AM
The perfect cure for insomnia! ;D

it's not that bad  ???


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: titoli on October 26, 2006, 03:47:33 PM
http://www.aboutbillythekid.com/filmography.htm

In this interesting site there's a lot of info on the movies. They are not so hot about the Pollard's one.


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: The Firecracker on October 26, 2006, 05:33:39 PM
http://www.aboutbillythekid.com/filmography.htm




One eyed jacks? Brando's character based on the Kid? I don't see that. :-\


Thanks for the site Titoli.



Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: cigar joe on October 26, 2006, 06:53:27 PM
One Eyed Jacks???? I don't see that either.


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: titoli on November 15, 2006, 08:52:47 AM
Oh, oh folks.

I'm currently giving a look at the italian SWdb and I've found this:

http://www.spaghettiwestern.altervista.org/bandito_del_sud.htm

The reviewer says that this is a very good movie and one of the best movies on BTK. And that YOUNG GUNS STOLE EVERYTHING FROM IT!

I'll try for a copy and come back at you if anybody here hasn't seen it.


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: titoli on November 15, 2006, 09:31:19 AM
Here's the IMDB page:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061775/


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: titoli on November 21, 2006, 01:34:52 AM
Got the movie. Watched it cursorily ff, looks promising, though the cartel at the beginning spells "Fort Summer".


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: The Firecracker on November 22, 2006, 01:07:59 PM
Got the movie. Watched it cursorily ff, looks promising, though the cartel at the beginning spells "Fort Summer".


Got this copy but only in spanish dialogue. It does look rather good (sat down with it for about 10 minutes fast forwarding).


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: Amaze on November 22, 2006, 01:52:54 PM
speaking of billy the kid, looks like kris kristofferson is in yet another movie about him:

http://imdb.com/title/tt0853146/


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: titoli on November 22, 2006, 03:25:14 PM
The spanish version is the same one I have and apparently, the only one around.



Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: pixelated on November 29, 2006, 04:37:12 PM
just watched Young Guns last night... i remembered this being a really good movie. the last time i watched it was back when it first came out, and i was pretty young at the time, with very limited spaghetti experience (GBU was probably the only one actually)

god, what a disappointment. you all were extremely right about everything..  the music, very annoying.. there were too many characters... very few well shot scenes. even the action wasn't too exciting. the only guys that die are the ones you don't care about, of course...

overall, total crap.. i wish i would of let this one alone..

although, i did enjoy the peyote scene.. last time i saw this, i was so young i didn't even remember this happening


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: pixelated on November 29, 2006, 04:53:01 PM
and i have to agree with the love story subplot.. usually this kind of thing wouldnt bother me so much.. but it was poorly done here... no depth or real feeling to it, seems as if it was there just to be there..

perhaps i'm being a bit harsh, but was just such a let down compared to what i rememberd..  there were a few scenes i liked, but nothing to make it worth multiple viewings

perhaps i will give the 2nd one a watch soon.. i did see parts of this one not long ago, and liked them.


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: Tim on November 30, 2006, 07:57:31 AM
  Give the sequel a try again, pixelated.  It's not a great movie, but it is entertaining.  I like it because the relationship between Billy the Kid and Pat Garrett is explored more, played well by CSI's William Peterson.


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: Amaze on November 30, 2006, 04:14:40 PM
I think I remember liking the scene were the boys enter a bar and some guy is talking about how he's gonna catch billy the kid or something. and billy asks him what he's like and then he starts whistling those sad tunes. dunno which of the movies that was in.


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: pixelated on November 30, 2006, 04:20:34 PM
I think I remember liking the scene were the boys enter a bar and some guy is talking about how he's gonna catch billy the kid or something. and billy asks him what he's like and then he starts whistling those sad tunes. dunno which of the movies that was in.

that's in the first one. billy asks if he can see the gun that's going to kill billy the kid, and then takes the bullets out. billy looks in the mirror and says "i see em!" and when the guy tries to shoot billy, he's got no bullets and billy shoots him in the head.

yea, that's a pretty cool scene, i think someone already mentioned it earlier


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on June 29, 2007, 09:50:11 PM
I don't hate these films like some of you do. I think they're good fun. I loved them when I was a little kid so I guess I have a place in my heart for them. Are they GREAT westerns? Heck no, but they're not terrible. I actually prefer the second one to the original. I love the music to that film. Great soundtrack.


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: The Peacemaker on June 29, 2007, 10:39:50 PM
This was an enjoyable movie, I must agree.




Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on June 29, 2007, 11:23:59 PM
This was an enjoyable movie, I must agree.




Honestly though. Why do so many people hate these films? I don't get it. The actors are not as pretty as people claim. I mean you have some great actors in here. Legends if you ask me. From Jack Palance, to Terence Stamp, to Terry O'Quinn. Good performances all around and I thought Emilio Estavez was pretty good as Billy the Kid.


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: The Peacemaker on June 29, 2007, 11:28:00 PM
Honestly though. Why do so many people hate these films?

Personal preference I guess.




Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on June 29, 2007, 11:34:11 PM
Personal preference I guess.




Honestly though. I think it's one of those films that people just hate it just to hate it. They hear it from alot of people how bad it is before seeing it and don't form an opinion for themselves. That's what I at least think.


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: Jill on June 30, 2007, 03:32:36 AM
I once started too see the second part, but it was very boring at the beginning - and I said WTF that Billy is the storyteller, he should been dead...  ??? Perhaps I should give a second chance to it.

I'm a big fan of Peckinpah's version. My fourth favourite western...
What's the matter with Kris? I liked him. Ok, he's older than the historical Billy, but it's not a documentary, and to Sam's vision it's better a man who feels he's not so young and fast as sooner. Not an idealized young hero - I loved this idea. And what about Garrett? He was only 31 when he killed the Kid, but in the most versions he's portrayed by veteran actors...  ;) and as a father figure.
James was absolutely cool. ( ::) Ok, I'm a big fan of two men - the one is James Coburn and the other Gian Maria Volonté :P). And there's a really chemistry between him and Kris. A good pairing.  ;)


If I would make a film about Billy... hm. I don't know who should play the Kid. Perhaps that boy from The Parfume, Ben Whislaw. He's young enough and a big actor - a little like Anthony Perkins. He'll be fine, I think. A psychopath.  ;D


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 01, 2007, 04:42:52 PM
"youuu whooooo...I'll make ya famous."  O0


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: Jill on September 10, 2007, 08:04:28 AM
I saw the second yesterday. It was pretty good. Funny lines, lovable characters, good actors, athmosphere. I enjoyed it.  O0


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on September 10, 2007, 08:21:40 AM
I'm happy you enjoyed them Jill. And just to let you know about Billy narrating the film. Still till this day, nobody really knows if was killed by Patt Garrett or not. That's the mystery and that's why he's narrating Young Guns 2.


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: Dust Devil on May 08, 2010, 09:27:23 AM
Hell I always seem to miss these vibrant discussions... Anyway, I can only concord with the general consensus: lousy story, too many boring characters, not much in terms of entertainment, and dreadful soundtrack. All in all I'd rather fly a cargo plane full of rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong than waste my time with it again.

This was the kind of crap immensely popular in the 80's and 90's, and just aired over and over and over on TV. At some point (especially if you were younger) you were forced to make yourself believe it was good, because hey, it was on TV every other day.

Small plus for Jack Palance and Terence Stamp.


2.5/10


Title: Re: Young Guns (1988)
Post by: Dust Devil on May 08, 2010, 03:40:00 PM
Apparently Tom Cruise was for whatever reason in this as an uncredited cowboy. This came out the same year as Rain Man and Cocktail. He went to be famous while everybody forgot 'bout Emilio Estevez. Smart move.