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Title: Big Jake (1971)
Post by: cigar joe on August 24, 2006, 08:44:37 PM
Picked this up at the mall the other day, and mainly because Richard Boone was the main villian.

I figured since I'd never seen it in its entierty I'd give it a watch. Well it was pretty much crap which is what I feared.

Too much time was spent by Wayne yuckking it up with Patrick Wayne and Christopher Mitchum, it had the signiture barroom brawl that was typical of late Wayne Westerns, (it thankfully didn't have the bentonite mudpuddle fight), but it was way too long on dopey dialog and never gave Boone any real screen time to be a bad ass (which he can do very well) so it kind of fizzled out at the end.

Boone actually wore an orange poncho throughout the flick.

Landscapes were very nice and since it took place around 1909 it featured autos , motorcycles, and a machine pistol, I was expecting more but I got even less than I bargained for.

Score was your typical Hollywood score.


Title: Re: Big Jake (1971)
Post by: Sackett on August 25, 2006, 10:26:10 PM
The reason I like Big Jake is because John Wayne plays more of a tough character than in other of his modern westerns.
He was tough as nails in The Searchers and about the same in Liberty Valence.   Though he is milder in this one, it still as a little of the old flavor of those earlier movies. 


Title: Re: Big Jake (1971)
Post by: cigar joe on August 26, 2006, 07:03:02 AM
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The reason I like Big Jake is because John Wayne plays more of a tough character than in other of his modern westerns.

Yea he plays a tough character, too bad they didn't give Richard Boone enough screen time to make him an equal bad ass to the extent that the audience might have thought that JW might not have survived. As it is filmed you have no doubt, just as you know the sun is gonna rise tomorrow that JW will prevail. 

Look at the contrast between this and say Unforgiven. Clint plays a gunman past his prime and you wonder throughout the film whether or not he's lost his touch so you really get a big pay off at the end of the film. Big Jake just doesn't do that.

Check out what Boone does in Hombre too see what I mean.


Title: Re: Big Jake (1971)
Post by: Sackett on August 26, 2006, 08:49:03 AM
Boone in Hombre was terrifying.  The scene at the stage coach depot would be every peaceful man's nightmare.
He plays the kind of character that you cannot deal with except to kill, because if you try to reason with him he'll just walk all over you or kill you first.
JW is JW.  The movies of his that I find the most appealing are those in which he seems to step out of his persona and play a slightly off character
I would add The Cowboys to my list of JW favorites along with the others I mentioned.


Title: Re: Big Jake (1971)
Post by: cigar joe on August 26, 2006, 09:44:01 AM
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Boone in Hombre was terrifying.  The scene at the stage coach depot would be every peaceful man's nightmare.

exactly  8)


Title: Re: Big Jake (1971)
Post by: Tim on August 26, 2006, 10:53:03 AM
  Big Jake is one of my favorite John Wayne movies, not just westerns.  I completely agree that Boone, and his gang for that matter, aren't given enough to do.  There was a lot of potential with that bunch of renegades, cutthroats (oh wait, wrong movie  ;D), but they're there in the beginning and basically disappear to the end.

  And while Boone doesn't have a huge part, the scenes he has with Wayne are gems.  The dialogue between them is priceless, especially the "blow your head off" speech.  And the ending is good, although if you want a spaghetti influence, one of the brothers has to die, not just Bruce Cabot and the dog.

  "What's your name?"
  "Jacob McCandles."
  "I thought you were dead."
  "Not hardly."


Title: Re: Big Jake (1971)
Post by: Cusser on August 27, 2006, 08:00:19 PM
I like Big Jake, but I don't consider it great.  Yeah, there's the gun in the shower scene, an obvious copy of Tuco's bath scene.  There's a big, fat, bearded Mario Brega look-alike bad guy as well.  I liked having Maureen O'Hara as his wife.  But one of Wayne's better roles, but a wide gap below him Red River and the Searchers.


Title: Big Jake (1971)
Post by: The Firecracker on January 30, 2007, 01:19:16 AM
Enough is not said about this Wayne picture and I can understand why. It's not particularly very good. The sole interest lies in the amount of violence that is in the film. Wayne pictures never had machete weilding villains or the use of squibs during a gunfight. This is the first of it's kind for Wayne.

I suppose the Duke's popularity was waning down after the onslaught of very violent westerns released in the 60's. So producers decided to cash in on this new craze by having Wayne appear in this surprisingly bloody genre picture.


Anybody else seen it?

 


Title: Re: Big Jake (1971)
Post by: Cusser on January 30, 2007, 02:40:59 PM
Yeah, way back at the theater.  I found it OK.  There was a Mario Brega-like bad guy who was thought to be dead but still came at Wayne with a machete.  Wayne has gun in the shower, kills bad guy, copying from Tuco/Leone.  I liked when Richard Boone says to Wayne: "I thought you were dead" "Not hardly".


Title: Re: Big Jake (1971)
Post by: cigar joe on January 30, 2007, 03:43:55 PM
Boone is seriously underused and wasted in that flick.


Title: Re: Big Jake (1971)
Post by: Sackett on February 04, 2007, 07:03:03 AM
I like Big Jake because JW is tougher in it than some of the others he did and because Richard Boone is in it.  He could really be a scare.


Title: Re: Big Jake (1971)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on February 09, 2007, 11:46:49 PM
I like Big Jake personally. I grew up watching John Wayne. My dad is a huge fan of his so liking his films became the norm.


Title: Re: Big Jake (1971)
Post by: Tim on February 11, 2007, 11:55:31 AM
   One of my favorite later John Wayne movies.  I'll jump on the bandwagon, Boone is underused, but the scenes between him and the Duke are GREAT!  I love the dialogue between them, its just so perfectly western.  Also, a pretty good supporting cast, Pat Wayne, Maureen O'Hara, Glenn Corbett, Harry Carey Jr, Bruce Cabot, and more than a few regulars of Wayne movies.  The DVD only includes the widescreen version but its a beauty.  And it was great to see the WHOLE movie after years of seeing it mangled on 24 Hours of the Duke on TBS.  I miss those marathons.   :'(

  Here's a cool poster I found for Big Jake pitting Wayne against Boone.
(http://www.musicman.com/may10jg/bigj.jpg)


Title: Re: Big Jake (1971)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on February 11, 2007, 02:28:47 PM
That's a sweet poster Tim! I just love the old time movie posters. They blow today's away.


Title: Re: Big Jake (1971)
Post by: titoli on September 19, 2008, 01:49:08 PM
You said it all. The movie stutters until the arrival in town of Wayne and his sons. From then on is a crescendo and the final confrontation with Boone and his gang very good were it not for the idiotic duel one of the gang feels the need to improvise with Patrick Wayne and be killed.
Also, that motorbiking Mitchum reminded me of something...   


Title: Re: Big Jake (1971)
Post by: titoli on September 19, 2008, 01:55:58 PM
To be noted the awkard night scenes shot in the studio and the insert shot of a animal of prey. 6\10


Title: Re: Big Jake (1971)
Post by: Groggy on August 20, 2010, 02:44:56 PM
Also, that motorbiking Mitchum reminded me of something...   

The films were released the same year, I doubt it's a DYS reference. Although, considering how derivative it is, it wouldn't surprise me otherwise.


Title: Re: Big Jake (1971)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 10, 2011, 08:46:52 PM
just saw Big Jake. Didn't like it.

John Wayne is the kinda guy who I can always enjoy, even in a subpar film, but I do not like Patrick Wayne or Christopher Mitchum.



Title: Re: Big Jake (1971)
Post by: Groggy on February 11, 2011, 09:04:07 AM
Terrible, terrible film.


Title: Re: Big Jake (1971)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 11, 2011, 11:08:06 AM
the only things I liked about it were some really nice scenery and Elmer Bernstein had a good score


Title: Re: Big Jake (1971)
Post by: Spikeopath on February 09, 2017, 09:21:13 PM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066831/reference

You follow him and I'll hunt you down and kill yah.

Big Jake is directed by George Sherman and written by Harry and Rita Fink. It stars John Wayne, Richard Boone, Patrick Wayne, Christopher Mitchum and Maureen O'Hara. Elmer Berstein scores the music and William H. Clothier is the cinematographer. It's shot in Panavision and Technicolor with the principal location for the shoot being Durango in Mexico. Plot finds Duke Wayne as tough old rancher/gunfighter Jake McCandles, who is estranged from his family and spends his days roaming the west with his trusty dog. However, when the McCandles family ranch is raided by a gang of outlaws led by John Fain (Boone), and Jake's grandson Little Jake is kidnapped for ransom, Big Jake gets the call from his separated wife Martha (O'Hara) to go find the boy. Which he sets off to do, with two of his sons in tow.

There were many critics who felt John Wayne should have stopped making movies before the 1970's arrived. Which is a bit ignorant considering he would bow out with the heartfelt and poignant The Shootist in 1976. It's undeniable that of the ten 1970's film's he made before his death, half of them are disposable at best, Big Jake isn't one of them. Yes, the formula is hardly new, only here the blood quota is considerably higher than previous Duke Wayne outings, and yes, tonally the film is a bit too up and down for its own good. But it's a film that finds old hands Wayne and Boone turning in good shows and the action and thematic camaraderie on show more than compensates for the looming cloud of same old same old.

Of worth, too, is the time setting of the story, coming as it does towards the back end of the Old West, we get to see many examples of the Wild West being tamed. Be it the railroad, or motor driven vehicle's, our protagonist and antagonist are old school characters framed by a changing West. This is where it pays to have Wayne and Boone in the main roles, turning it in in an old school, knowing, style. The names Clothier and Bernstein are synonymous with the Western genre, and they don't disappoint here, both the photography and score treat the eyes and the ears. And although not in it for very long, O'Hara adds a touch of class in what was the last of the five times she appeared on film with her friend Duke Wayne. In amongst the violence there's also plenty of fun, some intended courtesy of banter between Duke and his estranged sons, some not intended; such as watching the dog out act the siblings of Duke and Robert Mitchum! But all told, if you don't expect The Searchers or Hondo et all, then this holds up as a good way to spend an afternoon. 7/10

Footnote: I wonder if John Carpenter watched and enjoyed this film so much he cribbed a reoccurring joke from it for Escape from New York? Big Jake keeps coming up against people who say that they thought he was dead, same thing happens to Snake Plissken in Carpenter's picture. A homage I'm sure.


Title: Re: Big Jake (1971)
Post by: cigar joe on February 10, 2017, 03:32:05 PM
Footnote: I wonder if John Carpenter watched and enjoyed this film so much he cribbed a reoccurring joke from it for Escape from New York? Big Jake keeps coming up against people who say that they thought he was dead, same thing happens to Snake Plissken in Carpenter's picture. A homage I'm sure.
 (http://Footnote: I wonder if John Carpenter watched and enjoyed this film so much he cribbed a reoccurring joke from it for Escape from New York? Big Jake keeps coming up against people who say that they thought he was dead, same thing happens to Snake Plissken in Carpenter's picture. A homage I'm sure.)

Maybe but I seem to remember it used somewhere's else also.