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Title: Bicycle Thieves (1948)
Post by: kyle_c on November 19, 2002, 09:08:59 AM
If any of you have seen this piece of classic Italian cinema, perhaps you know that Sergio Leone is in it.  I'm not quite sure who he is, but there is a scene where a bunch of students, I believe, are huddling under an umbrela, and one of them is Leone.  He was described to me as "the one wearing glasses", although several of the men are wearing glasses.

I just thought this would be an interesting piece of trivia.


Title: Re: Bicycle Thieves (1948)
Post by: Michael on November 25, 2002, 08:45:39 PM
 I just watched this a few nights ago,but didn't manage to spot him.  :)


Title: Re: Bicycle Thieves (1948)
Post by: TBPJMR on January 09, 2003, 03:25:09 PM
I know that he's dressed as a priest, with glasses on and a bible (or something similar) in one hand. He appears in a scene where there's a shower and shelters under a balcony with somebody else


Title: Re: Bicycle Thieves (1948)
Post by: piribiriboing on January 13, 2003, 11:51:36 AM
I have a frame of this movie with the young Leone, but i'm not able to put it in this reply. If you want I can send it to your e-mail.


Title: Re: Bicycle Thieves (1948)
Post by: Jupa on January 20, 2003, 04:33:57 AM
Wow,I didn't know that Leone was in Bicycle Thief (which I've never seen,BTW  :D).Did he only appear for some few seconds in that one scene?When was that movie made?


Title: Re: Bicycle Thieves (1948)
Post by: Halis on March 06, 2003, 06:09:42 AM
The movie was always known as BICYCLE THIEVES in Europe.

I read recently that there were plans for Hollywood to remake the movie with Bruce Willis and Haley Joel Osmond. It was going to be re-titled "Hey Dude Who stole my bike?"

Has anyone else heard about this?


Title: Re: Bicycle Thieves (1948)
Post by: Il Buono on March 06, 2003, 04:15:59 PM
Wow,I didn't know that Leone was in Bicycle Thief (which I've never seen,BTW  :D).Did he only appear for some few seconds in that one scene?When was that movie made?

The movie was released in 1941 as 'Ladri di Biciclette' (Vittorio di Sica).


Title: Re: Bicycle Thieves (1948)
Post by: kyle_c on March 13, 2003, 11:04:15 AM
Actually, the movie came out in 1948 - neorealist films were generally based in post-war Europe.


Title: Re: Bicycle Thieves (1948)
Post by: Il Buono on March 14, 2003, 07:05:52 AM
Right.  My apologies...


Title: Re: Bicycle Thieves (1948)
Post by: PowerRR on January 13, 2007, 09:20:10 PM
Very, very amazing film for De Sica and one of my favorites of all time.

It takes place in post-WWII Italy during the depression. A poor man who can barely feed his wife and son has the opportunity for a job, but it requires a bicycle. He goes home to sell his bed sheets for money to eventually buy a bicycle. On his first day off to work, it is stolen in the midst of day. He and his son later go on a search for it, learning many values in life as well as strengthening their father-son relationship.

It may seem like a simple plot, but the film is truly a masterpiece - flawless, really. I have nothing bad to say about it. Knowing the love of Itallian films on here, I'm sure many of you have seen it - if not, get to it immediately!


Title: Re: Bicycle Thieves (1948)
Post by: The Firecracker on January 14, 2007, 12:17:52 AM


Leone has a very small role in it.

A good film. Not sure if I would sit through it again. Once was enough for me.


Title: Re: Bicycle Thieves (1948)
Post by: titoli on January 14, 2007, 12:21:30 AM
Always thought the english language title was Bycicle Thieves.


Title: Re: Bicycle Thieves (1948)
Post by: T.H. on January 14, 2007, 03:05:43 AM
It's just a matter of time before you make a 'Deer Hunter' topic rr. Yes, I like 'Ladri' quite a bit, but not as much as the majority of the IGN Movies Lobby.


Title: Re: Bicycle Thieves (1948)
Post by: PowerRR on January 14, 2007, 08:36:53 AM
It's just a matter of time before you make a 'Deer Hunter' topic rr. Yes, I like 'Ladri' quite a bit, but not as much as the majority of the IGN Movies Lobby.

'The Deer Hunter' was already made here a few days ago by another user.

Leone has a very small role in it.
Really? At what point? IMDb just lists him as "A Seminary Student".


Title: Re: Bicycle Thieves (1948)
Post by: Juan Miranda on January 14, 2007, 08:57:20 AM
Always thought the english language title was Bycicle Thieves.

"Ladri" being plural, it should be (and is in UK prints), but for some strange reason it has been "singularised" (if that's even a word?) in the US.

For Leone spotters, he is the young Seminary Student with the thickly framed glasses (there's a trio of 'em. How Leonesque is that?)


Title: Re: Bicycle Thieves (1948)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 15, 2007, 05:48:48 PM
"Ladri" being plural, it should be (and is in UK prints), but for some strange reason it has been "singularised" (if that's even a word?) in the US.
Juan Miranda is of course correct, the U.K. title is the better translation of the title. But titles don't have to be literally translated when films move between cultures. An example of this is Wenders' Wings of Desire, which in German was (and is) Der Himmel Uber Berlin. Wenders actually claims to have come to prefer the English-language title. And there are many examples where titles in one language work better in a second language with a bit of tweaking. Readers of this board will naturally think of the BBC/GBU case: word order changed due to alliteration and cadance.

I've never liked Bicycle Thieves as a title because it gives too much of the plot away. The Bicycle Thief, however, doesn't accurately convey what the film is about. Anyway, I think both titles give too much attention to the theft/thefts, when really the film is mostly about the quest for the missing bike. So, my preferred title, is simply The Bicycle. Don't expect to win any converts to this idea, however.


Title: Re: Bicycle Thieves (1948)
Post by: The Firecracker on January 15, 2007, 05:54:07 PM


I've never liked Bicycle Thieves as a title because it gives too much of the plot away.

How so?




SPOILER AHEAD






There is only one thief and the main character never catches up with him. Unless your counting the scene where he himself tries to steal a bike.














SPOILER ENDS (as does my post).


Title: Re: Bicycle Thieves (1948)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 15, 2007, 06:00:47 PM
That IS what I was speaking of, but I was hoping to keep that bit of info back for those who have yet to see the film. :(


Title: Re: Bicycle Thieves (1948)
Post by: The Firecracker on January 15, 2007, 06:14:05 PM
Taken care of.


Title: Re: Bicycle Thieves (1948)
Post by: Novecento on July 06, 2009, 08:22:18 AM
Juan Miranda is of course correct, the U.K. title is the better translation of the title. But titles don't have to be literally translated when films move between cultures. An example of this is Wenders' Wings of Desire, which in German was (and is) Der Himmel Uber Berlin. Wenders actually claims to have come to prefer the English-language title. And there are many examples where titles in one language work better in a second language with a bit of tweaking. Readers of this board will naturally think of the BBC/GBU case: word order changed due to alliteration and cadance.

Good point, and I can see arguments for both. I wonder which De Sica would have preferred if asked (or was he ever?). Personally I think a literal translation is better as it respects his original title unless he suggests otherwise.

This also made me think of Corbucci's "Gli Specialisti" which has predominantly French actors and the main shooting language appears to have been French (hence the language in which it should be watched). In French, it is called "Le Specialiste" meaning "The Specialist" (as the US title) but the Italian title means "The Specialists". Now to be faithful to Corbucci, the plural should perhaps be maintained but seeing as this is a French dominated work, perhaps the singular should be preferred. A singular title also makes more sense as Hud is the only "specialist" although perhaps the plural title is also referring to his brother Charlie who he is avenging?


Title: Re: Bicycle Thieves (1948)
Post by: Novecento on July 06, 2009, 08:44:18 AM
If any of you have seen this piece of classic Italian cinema, perhaps you know that Sergio Leone is in it.  I'm not quite sure who he is, but there is a scene where a bunch of students, I believe, are huddling under an umbrela, and one of them is Leone.  He was described to me as "the one wearing glasses", although several of the men are wearing glasses.

I just thought this would be an interesting piece of trivia.

Leone actually gets about 15-20 seconds camera time. He is shown chatting back and forth between the guy off-screen to his left (as in the picture below) and across the main character (Alberto Ricci played by Lamberto Maggiorani) with the one on his far right:

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