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Title: Which Lee Van Cleef character do you prefer? Read On
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on September 14, 2006, 02:56:57 PM
Do you prefer Col. Mortimer from For a Few Dollars More or Angel Eyes from The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly. Personally, I loved him as the good guy in Col. Mortimer. Lee Van Cleef is well known for playing the villain. It was kinda cool seeing him team up with Clint's character in For a Few Dollars More. The ending converstaion between the two of them is memorable. I wish we could of seen more movies with the two of them. Lee Van Cleef and Clint Eastwood maid a great on screen duo.


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Post by: The Firecracker on September 14, 2006, 02:59:45 PM
Do you prefer Col. Mortimer from For a Few Dollars More or Angel Eyes from The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly. Personally, I loved him as the good guy in Col. Mortimer. Lee Van Cleef is well known for playing the villain. It was kinda cool seeing him team up with Clint's character in For a Few Dollars More. The ending converstaion between the two of them is memorable. I wish we could of seen more movies with the two of them. Lee Van Cleef and Clint Eastwood maid a great on screen duo.


Out of his entire career (That I have seen) his role as Mortimer was his most accomplished. He reprised the same role as a different character in "The Grand Duel", great performance, great script.


Title: Re: Which Lee Van Cleef character do you prefer? Read On
Post by: cigar joe on September 14, 2006, 04:41:34 PM
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He reprised the same role as a different character in "The Grand Duel", great performance, great script.


don't agree at all, he's best as Ryan in "Death Rides a Horse" and Corbet in "The Big Gundown".

I prefer his Col. Mortimer best of all.


Title: Re: Which Lee Van Cleef character do you prefer? Read On
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on September 14, 2006, 05:03:00 PM
I just bought Death Rides a Horse. I have yet to see it yet. I did put it in the dvd player and started it, but the quality was so bad, I got annoyed and turned it off. I don't understand how they can release a movie that looks so bad, especially on dvd. I hope to sit through it soon though just to see Lee Van Cleef's performance.


Title: Re: Which Lee Van Cleef character do you prefer? Read On
Post by: cigar joe on September 14, 2006, 05:31:10 PM
You got the wrong one, the Direct Source DVD POS from Canada right, lol. I think its pan and scan too.


Title: Re: Which Lee Van Cleef character do you prefer? Read On
Post by: The Firecracker on September 14, 2006, 08:16:12 PM


don't agree at all, he's best as Ryan in "Death Rides a Horse" and Corbet in "The Big Gundown".



so you don't agree Mortimer is his best role? Because that is what I said.


Corbet and Ryan are nothing like Mortimer. Clayton is the most similar.


Title: Re: Which Lee Van Cleef character do you prefer? Read On
Post by: cigar joe on September 14, 2006, 09:43:17 PM
Clayton is similar but the but alas the film is not nearly as good as DRAH or TBG.  ;)


Title: Re: Which Lee Van Cleef character do you prefer? Read On
Post by: The Firecracker on September 14, 2006, 11:03:18 PM
Clayton is similar but the but alas the film is not nearly as good as DRAH or TBG.  ;)


Didn't say they were bad films :-\


Title: Re: Which Lee Van Cleef character do you prefer? Read On
Post by: Sackett on September 22, 2006, 06:12:07 PM
I have to go with Col. Mortimer.  He has class and dresses cool.


Title: Re: Which Lee Van Cleef character do you prefer? Read On
Post by: Groggy on September 23, 2006, 06:15:47 AM
When I created this thread a couple years back Angel Eyes won pretty handily.

Now it seems like the Colonel is running away with it.  Yay!  :D


Title: Re: Which Lee Van Cleef character do you prefer? Read On
Post by: The Peacemaker on September 23, 2006, 02:13:36 PM
I like Mortimer much better than Angel Eyes.


Title: Re: Which Lee Van Cleef character do you prefer? Read On
Post by: CISCO on September 24, 2006, 01:25:28 AM
col. mortimer.
to bad they didn't do a sequel on the col.


Title: Re: Which Lee Van Cleef character do you prefer? Read On
Post by: Tuco the ugly on September 24, 2006, 03:09:40 AM
Col.Mortimer 8)


Title: Re: Which Lee Van Cleef character do you prefer? Read On
Post by: Tim on September 24, 2006, 01:37:42 PM
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col. mortimer.
to bad they didn't do a sequel on the col.

  Or a prequel, the events leading up to FAFDM.  You could end it with him getting on the train to Tucumcari.  And I'll join the group, I'd take Colonel Mortimer over Angel Eyes, although they're obviously both great characters.


Title: Re: Which Lee Van Cleef character do you prefer? Read On
Post by: CISCO on September 24, 2006, 02:10:34 PM
  Or a prequel, the events leading up to FAFDM.  You could end it with him getting on the train to Tucumcari.  And I'll join the group, I'd take Colonel Mortimer over Angel Eyes, although they're obviously both great characters.
jumping josaphat ! sure am glad i thought of this first, lol
your idea opens new vistas. i guess the reason they didn't do this is they wern't yet aware of what an impact the dollars trilogy would become as time marches on. they could still do it especially w/ such a hard core hanger's-on  as our lot foaming at the mouth for something just like what you've concocked tim.  i have regained the will to live  ;D


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Post by: Kurugen on September 24, 2006, 03:55:37 PM
Lame Joke Ahead[Someone might find it offensive]


i want my van cleef with a shot of whiskey and a corona on the side.


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Post by: Silenzio on September 26, 2006, 05:54:55 PM
Mortimer pwns.

I love that term, it's so deliciously nerdy, "Pwns."


Title: Re: Which Lee Van Cleef character do you prefer? Read On
Post by: Dude With No Name on October 19, 2006, 01:36:54 PM
Mortimer pwns.

I love that term, it's so deliciously nerdy, "Pwns."

I agrre with you. Mortimer pwns.  ;D


Title: Re: Which Lee Van Cleef character do you prefer? Read On
Post by: Juan Miranda on October 19, 2006, 03:38:03 PM
His range is definately streached more in the Mortimer role. At the film's opening on the train he could very well be Angel Eyes, such is the grim hostility he displays to the rather innocent characters around him. Also it takes a while before we find out that his business is justice and revenge, and not just business (like Monco). Later his character opens out and shows courage, sorrow and even weakness and doubt.

We see none of this in Angel Eyes, in the origional release versions. It's only in the recent restored version that we see any humanity in the character at all. Before he was just a rather one dimentional bad guy, though a memorable and magnificently evil one. Van Cleef moves better as Angel Eyes, the way he handles his horse on it's approach to the Stevens farm is a great little bit of flashy screen biz - how it slows to a high trotting prance. The way he struts in an almost identical fashion as he takes his place in the final corrida ring was a touch of genius. Van Cleef's idea or Leone's, I guess we'll never know.


Title: Re: Which Lee Van Cleef character do you prefer? Read On
Post by: Banjo on October 22, 2006, 09:46:06 AM
so you don't agree Mortimer is his best role? Because that is what I said.


Corbet and Ryan are nothing like Mortimer. Clayton is the most similar.
Can't believe that LVC as Sabata seems to have been totally overlooked :o In every respect the Sabata character borrows from Mortimer,most especially in the clothing and weaponry.


Title: Re: Which Lee Van Cleef character do you prefer? Read On
Post by: The Firecracker on October 22, 2006, 11:50:56 AM
Can't believe that LVC as Sabata seems to have been totally overlooked :o In every respect the Sabata character borrows from Mortimer,most especially in the clothing and weaponry.
Sabata's far too tongue and cheek to be like Mortimer. It's more of a playful character then a serious one.


Title: Re: Which Lee Van Cleef character do you prefer? Read On
Post by: cigar joe on October 24, 2006, 05:26:57 AM
I just watched El Condor last night for the first time in over 30 years, and his performance as Jaroo is excellent, my first opinions were clouded by what probably you could catagorize as "Eastwood" worship. Which is basically if the charater wasn't a cool character , the performance was irrelevant. Van Cleefs sleazy Jaroo was refreshingly different.  8)

Too bad the film as a whole isn't up to the performance.


Title: Re: Which Lee Van Cleef character do you prefer? Read On
Post by: Banjo on October 24, 2006, 08:14:59 AM
Sabata's far too tongue and cheek to be like Mortimer. It's more of a playful character then a serious one.
Not that much more playful. :-\
Don't forget the two scenes with Kinski,the hat shooting contest and apple shooting scene?
Parolini so obviously modelled Sabata on the Mortimer blueprint ::)


Title: Re: Which Lee Van Cleef character do you prefer? Read On
Post by: The Firecracker on October 24, 2006, 05:07:51 PM

Don't forget the two scenes with Kinski,the hat shooting contest and apple shooting scene?

I don't know. Two scenes don't make up a whole movie and the movie shows that he is a tormented soul. Sabata's not even close to being tormented. In fact I never got the impression that he had a care in the world.

Van Cleef makes him even more playful in the sequel (THE REAL ONE).


Title: Re: Which Lee Van Cleef character do you prefer? Read On
Post by: Rubio on January 23, 2010, 09:48:56 AM
Col. Mortimer for sure. He was just a great character. Angel Eyes is good too though.


Title: Re: Which Lee Van Cleef character do you prefer? Read On
Post by: Huey on January 23, 2010, 08:27:15 PM
I would rate The Smoker (Mortimer) as the screen's greatest-ever anti-hero.  I love the line: "I generally smoke after I eat".


Title: Re: Which Lee Van Cleef character do you prefer? Read On
Post by: Jill on January 29, 2010, 06:47:12 AM
Lee rocks whatever he plays. I maybe loved him in DRAH best, but generally, his (quite) good guys are slightly better than his baddies. Even as a goodie, he remains badass and being good doesn't stop him from Kick The Dog when he feels like it.


Title: Re: Which Lee Van Cleef character do you prefer? Read On
Post by: elliot_belt on January 29, 2010, 07:23:55 AM
Maybe Mortimer or the appearances as Ryan or Corbett were a more demanding acting task in comparison to AE who is the more one-dimensional character, but my vote still goes to Angel Eyes - he simply is intimidating like no villain I've ever seen on the silver screen and he doesn't need to say a word to accomplish that.
LVC rocks for sure.


Title: Re: Which Lee Van Cleef character do you prefer? Read On
Post by: Senza on February 25, 2013, 08:29:35 PM
This is a hard one, but I'd have to go with Colonel Mortimer. I like characters that have fallen and have to get back to their legendary status, Col. Mortimer had a lot of pride [especially at the end of FDM where El Indio asks him to pick up the gun, but Mortimer doesn't want to give him the satisfaction of making a desperate move by picking up the gun].