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Title: A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: Garry Cowell on July 21, 2003, 07:16:01 AM
Ok bought this today...

First things first (as expected this is the same version that screened on BBC2 t'other year. i.e. 147min with NO flashback scene (long or otherwise at the end).

...and just to clarify for people unaware of the BBC2 version...

It contains everything (Mao quotes, ant hill pissing, more violence) that the Restored Italian print does EXCEPT the long (3min) flashback scene at the end. :(

I've just had a quick skip through the DVD I can say that print they used is in relatively good shape albeit quite grainy (as one expects with Techinscope films). The DVD transfer is surprisingly high (9.8Mbps) and the correct ratio. Note the opening credits seem to be windows boxed to avoid overscan cropping. Sound is 2 channel Mono. (The restored Italian print I saw at the cinema was stereo)

Here's some grabs...

(click images for full size version)

(http://www.cityonfire.com/gZa/fod/fod001s.jpg) (http://www.cityonfire.com/gZa/fod/fod001.jpg) (http://www.cityonfire.com/gZa/fod/fod002s.jpg) (http://www.cityonfire.com/gZa/fod/fod002.jpg)
(http://www.cityonfire.com/gZa/fod/fod003s.jpg) (http://www.cityonfire.com/gZa/fod/fod003.jpg) (http://www.cityonfire.com/gZa/fod/fod004s.jpg) (http://www.cityonfire.com/gZa/fod/fod004.jpg)
(http://www.cityonfire.com/gZa/fod/fod005s.jpg) (http://www.cityonfire.com/gZa/fod/fod005.jpg) (http://www.cityonfire.com/gZa/fod/fod006s.jpg) (http://www.cityonfire.com/gZa/fod/fod006.jpg)

Extras: German dub, French dub, plus usual host of subtitles and the trailer (http://www.asiansofvegas.com/gZa/trailers/dys.wmv) (6.4Mb) Right click to download.

Bottom line: This looks like the longest English language version of the film there's likely to be for some time. I believe the restoration (FILM) is due to start soon but god knows how long that'll take to get to DVD. So as someone who's a big fan of this movie and had to put up with years of watching is cut to bits on P&S VHS I'd thoroughly recommend a purchase. RRP is £12.99 too!  :D

I just hate the fact that the flashback being missing may prevent people who've never seen it off.

Anyway! If you wanna get hardcore about it…then firstly buy the Italian DVD. Sit down and watch this one (UK R2) until 2hours 24min 33secs. Then quickly press eject. Stick in the Italian DVD, time search to 2:24:33. Then watch (for the flashback et al). There's no more dialogue so it won't make one iota that it's Italian Only!  ;D :P


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: John on July 21, 2003, 08:46:47 AM
Nice review. :)

My copy is in the post so I should get it pretty soon.

Good to hear that the print is in pretty good condition, one question is is anamorphic?


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: Jon on July 21, 2003, 09:21:39 AM
Thanks for the info Garry,it sounds like you are as big a fan of the movie as I am.I should recieve both the UK and the Italian DVDs this week so I shall most certainly do as you suggest.And those pictures have certainly whetted my appetite for seeing the film in full widescreen!


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: Garry Cowell on July 21, 2003, 11:05:34 AM
Nice review. :)

My copy is in the post so I should get it pretty soon.

Good to hear that the print is in pretty good condition, one question is is anamorphic?
Yes it is! I can't believe I left that point out! :-[


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: TarPot on July 21, 2003, 05:24:13 PM
Hello all.
Is this the same version that was released in 96 on MGM laserdisc, which was touted as the "uncut" version? It runs 154 mins and has an alternate ending on.
With pal speed up it would be shorter.
Thanks for any info.


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: Jon on July 22, 2003, 11:14:51 AM
I don't have the laser disc[so if I'm wrong somebody correct me....] but from stuff I have read the laser disc's two endings[I don't know which one was actually on the film and which one was seperate]were
 
a     The one which completely omits the end flashback  

b      The one which has the end flashback but in shortened form[I believe this was in the 138min US/UK cinema version of the film which was on video]

The UK DVD is exactly the same as the laserdisc but has [a]  as it's ending,with no flashback at all.

The version of the film with the FULL flashback is only available on DVD in Italy,I am still wating for it to arrive but Garry Cowell confirmed for me that it's on it.

Hope this helps!


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: juansean on July 23, 2003, 05:29:47 AM
Just received the DVD.  Wish they had included the final flash-back.  Garry could you describe it to us.

Cheers

Sean


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: Hippieoddball1 on July 23, 2003, 07:37:04 AM
Would it be possible for you to put it on this site for us to download like people have done with the trailers?


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: Jon on July 23, 2003, 07:57:33 AM
As far as I know the final flashback consists of Sean and his co-conspirator [the one played by David Warbeck whom he shot]both kissing,in turn,the same girl who was in the first flashback[the one showing them in the car].This was in shortened form in the old VHS release,which I have,may be Garry can go into more detail about the longer version of the flashback but i think that is about it.


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: Garry Cowell on July 23, 2003, 09:04:53 AM
Regarding the flashback Jon's pretty much spot on. More details here (http://www.dvdtalk.com/dvdsavant/s26duckyou.html).

Oh and it goes without saying as soon as I get the Italian DVD the long ending will be available 'online'. ;)


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: TarPot on July 24, 2003, 03:30:15 AM
Have just watched the dvd. It has the "alternate ending" from the laserdisc.
Another thing I noticed is a dialogue change.
In the ending of the dvd version, which is the alternate version on the laserdisc.
Juan says"You leave me now, y'know, what the f*#@'s gonna happen to me?"
On the laserdisc's normal ending with a short flashback, he says"You leave me now, y'know, what's gonna happen to me?"
A bit of pointless trivia which I'm sure you all know.
But a strange  difference, considering the word is used through the film anyway.


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: Groggy on July 24, 2003, 04:24:06 PM
Looks pretty good.   ;)


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: The clint on July 26, 2003, 04:14:42 PM
This has been a favorite of mine, but I've gotten used to the 138minute version which was trimmed of 20 minutes because the distributor thought the film too long. I don't think it suffered to be cut (I've not seen the uncut version) but I don't particularily want to see Steiger pissing on some ants, and more shots of violence. I don't really know too much about this longer cut but I've heard someone say that the rape scene was more explicit and even one scene running about 1 minute in the short version is running 4 minutes in the long version and consists only of Steiger watching the dead bodies. And even this shorter version has retained part of the flashback the longer DVD is missing! Though one thing irritated me in the short version, the swearwords have been moved out. At one point Coburn says: "I don't give a f.... about your revolutions" (the F**k dies out in the middle of the sentence!)


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: Halis on July 28, 2003, 02:38:11 AM
So what you are missing, is the opening Mao quote, which sets the tone of the film; Silvia Monti being given a taste of peasant passion (but no rape); Steiger using Coburn's dynamite to blow up the mine owners at night; a re-cut of the cave scene, where you see no bodies at all until Steiger has marched off to confront the Federales, and then Coburn wanders off and looks at all the bodies of Steiger's family, which is incredibly poignant; and an epic scene before the train journey where soldiers are herding prisoners into pits and massacring them, which suggests the turmoil that the Mao quote promised.
You probably can live without those scenes, but I can't.


Title: Found some stills of the final flashback...
Post by: Garry Cowell on July 28, 2003, 06:23:09 AM
(http://www.cityonfire.com/gZa/fod/final_flashback.jpg)


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: The clint on July 28, 2003, 02:35:09 PM
The first two frames of the flashback are in the shorter version, but it seemingly stopped as they begin kissing, and Coburn getting jealous of Warbeck, this gives also an additional meaning of why Coburn killed Warbeck in the previous flashback.


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: Nobody on July 29, 2003, 09:45:30 AM
I've never seen the long version before, and it's been a very long time since I saw the short version. This film has really grown on me. Some wonderful scenes, with the recreation of Goya's "3rd of May" being the favourite. Pure Leone.


Title: Giu La Testa arrived this morning...
Post by: Garry Cowell on July 31, 2003, 10:48:05 AM
...curiously enough I found these grabs (http://home.usmo.com/~ctr57/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/a_fistful_of_dynamite_ss.jpg) which I suspect are from the Japanese Double DVD Version of A Fistful of Dynamite...and altho' they've been minimized I suspect - as I feared when I ordered the Italian DVD - that the transfer on that (itself a port of the Italian DVD) will blow the UK R2 out the water as far as colours and sharpness are concerned. :(

Anyway.

Like I said, I received the restored Italian DVD today so I'll confirm or deny my fears over the weekend and report back here on Monday.


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: Jon on August 01, 2003, 01:40:46 AM
Yes,please do,as i'm awaiting the same DVD!


Title: Il brutto...
Post by: Garry Cowell on August 04, 2003, 06:39:55 AM
Well as I feared the Italian (r2) DVD transfer does indeed blow the UK (r2) DVD away as far as colours and sharpness are concerned (obviously due to the fact that this it's sourced from the FILM Restoration that the Italians did (circa 1996) and – from reading through the Stingray DVD diary - are tightly holding on to...  :-\

The following grabs speak for themselves, feel free to compare them with the same grabs from the UK (r2) early in this thread...

(click images for full size version)

(http://www.cityonfire.com/gZa/fod/glt001s.jpg) (http://www.cityonfire.com/gZa/fod/glt001.jpg) (http://www.cityonfire.com/gZa/fod/glt002s.jpg) (http://www.cityonfire.com/gZa/fod/glt002.jpg)
(http://www.cityonfire.com/gZa/fod/glt003s.jpg) (http://www.cityonfire.com/gZa/fod/glt003.jpg) (http://www.cityonfire.com/gZa/fod/glt004s.jpg) (http://www.cityonfire.com/gZa/fod/glt004.jpg)
(http://www.cityonfire.com/gZa/fod/glt005s.jpg) (http://www.cityonfire.com/gZa/fod/glt005.jpg) (http://www.cityonfire.com/gZa/fod/glt006s.jpg) (http://www.cityonfire.com/gZa/fod/glt006.jpg)


Title: Il cattivo...
Post by: Garry Cowell on August 04, 2003, 06:41:37 AM
Not only does the transfers look far better it's also less cropped than the UK one. What I initially thought was windowboxing during the credits (in order to avoid TV overscan cropping credit text) turns out to be just bad cropping on the right! And then once the windowboxing finishes after the credits, the cropping continues - thankfully without the windowboxing - but NOW it happens to ALL sides of the frame as well! :(

This isn't END OF THE WORLD stuff tho’ it’s just a might bit disappointing. It’s worth mentioning that I noticed this cropping - top and bottom firstly, as those aren’t affected by TV overscan - while simply flicking through the DVDs at home on my WSTV. And not after I took grabs this morning and put on my 'DVDBeaver' googles! ;D

It’s mainly in the extreme close-ups of faces that I became aware of it when the tight ‘Leone’ close-ups seemed just a bit too tight!

Example gif...

(This amount of cropping is consistent the whole movie - albeit sometimes more top is cropped than bottom and vice versa)

(http://www.cityonfire.com/gZa/fod/cropping.gif)


Title: Il buono...
Post by: Garry Cowell on August 04, 2003, 06:42:31 AM
Anyway besides all that crap.

Here's the final flashback... 8)

Regular Version (http://www.cityonfire.com/gZa/fod/glt.wmv) 8.3Mb (Right click to download)

Hi Res Stereo Version (http://www.cityonfire.com/gZa/fod/gltBIG.wmv) 32.7Mb (Right click to download)


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: The clint on August 04, 2003, 11:57:34 AM
Well, bad news about the transfer :( Anyway the flashback was great though it doesn't really do much for the plot. About 30 seconds were retained in the VHS copy. But this 147 minute copy, isn't it a bit overlong, because I used to think the 132 minute version was long enough already, or is it more fun to watch?


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: Jon on August 04, 2003, 12:12:09 PM
I personally think the longer version is much better,for instance the scene when Sean and Juan find the bodies of Juan's children is alot longer but also better and far more effective IMO.And there is a very long scene in which Juan finds Sean searching for silver,i won't spoil it but it's very good and makes part of the plot make more sense.There is more violence and swearing too.I wouldn't say the film is dramatically different,but the chamges do improve it IMO.You don't really notice the extra length.


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: Garry Cowell on August 05, 2003, 07:59:29 AM
Well, bad news about the transfer :(
I know. :(

...and I didn't even mention the kick ass restored 5.1 soundtrack! Morricone's beautiful score's never sounded so lush.

I had bought the two DVDs simply with the idea of watching the English one until 2h24mins or thereabouts and then popping in the Italian DVD for the flashback however upon seeing the dramatic picture improvements I've been thinking of ways to use the English soundtrack from Dynamite and the image from Testa.

The current most workable one (IN THEORY) is to dub the English track to MiniDisc and then watch the Italian DVD with the MD track coming through the amp. Then switch the amp to the Italian soundtrack at 2h24min mark. Depending on how good this works out it would be quite feasably to toggle amp at all non-dialogue/dialogue bits too. Thus getting the full benefit of the restored 5.1 sound for most of the film.  ;D

Now why didn't the NFT think of that! 8)

Anyway the flashback was great though it doesn't really do much for the plot. About 30 seconds were retained in the VHS copy. But this 147 minute copy, isn't it a bit overlong, because I used to think the 132 minute version was long enough already, or is it more fun to watch?
If you've only seen the cut 132min verison of A Fistful of Dynamite then you haven't seen it!


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: The clint on August 06, 2003, 07:06:16 AM
I have to disagree. The 138 minutes cut was the only the version available in English until 1996. And that was the way it was intended to be seen in America and was seen by critics, and some prints were even running 121 minutes. And it was shortened because it was too long originally (and too violent), so I have seen it about 4 times already, just in truncated form (And what a great film it is). One customer at amazon.com said “I have seen both versions, the European one and the American one, and I don’t think it was a loss for the film to be issued in a new, shorter version, actually, it was quite rewarding for the story. I think the European version had too many moments where you just waited for something to happen”. And I’ve heard many people say something alike. Maybe the shorter version will be issued on DVD in the future, or perhaps it has, like some people say, had its day.  :-\


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: Pablo on August 07, 2003, 12:37:25 PM
 :) :) ;D

Garry

Can you please let me know were you purchased  Giu La Testa ??? ???



Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: Garry Cowell on August 08, 2003, 03:25:22 AM
Can you please let me know were you purchased  Giu La Testa ??? ???
I got mine from http://www.internetbookshop.it/dvd/hme/hmepge.asp

...but I believe http://www.intermezzomedia.com/ are just as good and cheaper too!

Just to re-clarify: It's ITALIAN ONLY with NO English SUBS!


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: Pablo on August 08, 2003, 11:09:07 AM
Thanks Garry

I ordered it today in the meantime I converted the Flashback you posted to Svcd and played in on my dvd player looks great in widescreen even at Svcd quality. ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: The clint on August 09, 2003, 03:40:17 PM
OK, got my copy of the DVD yesterday after much consideration and I don't regret it. I haven't watched it all yet but I watched those scenes absent from the short version. The prologue and Steiger's anthill-pissing I thought was dreadful to be honest (I like the short version's opening much more which starts with a still frame of Steiger), I watched the nighttime scene where Steiger blows up Coburn's employer and I thought it was great and also essential to the plot (I always kept wondering why Sean suddenly decided to join Juan and why at one time he's looking for mines but suddenly became revolutionary). Then I watched the cave scene which was also great and nothing I had pictured (Though the short version's scene was quicker it lost some of the point given in the longer cut). But that ending was terrible. The short version had a much better ending with the question "What about me?" Even the original Italian had a question at the end (I don't know what he said because I don't know Italian). This ending also kills the line "Johnnnaaaaa" with music. But I don't consider the longer cut to be as bad as I though it would be. I'm going to watch it completely tomorrow.


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: simon_foulkes on August 26, 2003, 02:52:30 PM
I have seen this film several times on pan and scan only at the 132 min running time on NTSC.  I have recently ordered the UK DVD R2 version and can't wait to see it.  Like nearly everybody else on this thread, I would be sad not have the last flashback so I'll be cringing when it comes to the end.

Can anybody tell me where the best place to obtain the full italian cut from?


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: Jon on August 27, 2003, 12:08:28 PM
I got mine from www.DVDland.it,it works out about £20 including P+P.If you're a big fan of the movie it's definately worth it-picture quality alone is far better than the UK release.


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: The clint on September 04, 2003, 12:18:04 PM
If some of you didn't like the ending on the R2 DVD you might take a look at the German ending. Steiger clearly says "Johnnny" here and that wonderful theme plays a little afterwards. I think it's much better that way though we're still missing the flashback scene. But does anyone here know what scenes were missing from the original 121 minute 'kid friendly' version? If anyone does, please tell me.


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: vindalanda on October 14, 2003, 02:00:59 PM
Hi all,

This film has always been one of my favs. Please could someone tell me where I could get this uk dvd r2 version. I cant seen to find it with any search I've been making.

if its not too much bother, if someone could send me this information to ianswilliamson@hotmail.com I would be very grateful.

Thanks alot.


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: Half-Soldier on October 14, 2003, 04:59:51 PM
Garry has raised some very interesting ideas. I saw this film at the NFT in a restored Italien print - as Gui La Testa - the most complete version I beleive. Naturally, It looked incredible (colours were much more vivid than the restored print of OUATITW, as I told Prof. Frayling) but I had to watch the whole thing in Italien. I saw it again on BBC two the other night in the most complete English version I have seen - but where's the final flashback!. OK, Garry has highlighted this brilliantly with his grabs of the scene. I'd just like to say how moving I found this scene in the cinema, it's so intimate, heartbreaking and mysterious, and I can't think of one reason why an English version would cut it? Can anyone suggest why?


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: Jon on October 15, 2003, 08:16:35 AM
I could be wrong,but I seem to remember reading that Leone cut the end flashback because either the Italian censors or the studio did not like the suggestions of a 'menage a trois'.I know that the version released in Italian cinemas in 1971 omitted  the scene although a bit of it,bizzarrely,remained in the shorter UK/US cinema version.


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: The clint on October 15, 2003, 03:57:56 PM
I remember hearing somewhere that the original italian version omitted the flashback like Jon pointed out. But it might also be that it was cut due to length; it is awfully slow. And what about that scene on the railroad station where Steiger meets the leader outside the train, which is cut rather annoyingly by flipping the screen?


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: Half-Soldier on October 22, 2003, 04:03:28 AM
I remember hearing somewhere that the original italian version omitted the flashback like Jon pointed out. But it might also be that it was cut due to length; it is awfully slow. And what about that scene on the railroad station where Steiger meets the leader outside the train, which is cut rather annoyingly by flipping the screen?

I don't know what is missing here, the flipped screen edit has been in every version I have seen (and yes it is the ugliest cut in all Leone's films) but I am still intrigued by the flashbacks to Ireland. Period. and I would like to know peoples views on it. (Perhaps I should start a new topic). Here's a question: The Irish informant slain by Coburn; is he a friend or a brother? (thus, making the suggestion of a "menage a trois" all the more kinky!) Thoughts please.


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: The clint on October 22, 2003, 08:13:45 AM
My favorite flashback is the one in the bar where Coburn (in slow motion) shoots down to policemen, and hesitates but then shoots also his best friend (Don't like the brother idea) out of anger. It's mainly the version of the title tune that I find this the best flashback. I think the final flashback is generally too long, obviously showcasing Morricone's theme (It is indeed this version of the theme that is on the soundtrack album). I think it was better as cut, just briefly showing Sean's memories as he's dying. I think the flashback meant that Sean's girlfriend also liked his best friend and they kissing made Sean jealous (probably another reason why Sean killed his friend).
   As for the flipscreen I have only seen one explanation for why it is there. As Steiger jumps out of the train to the revolutionaries arms he's brought to the leader outside the station and they are introduced. Then they walk into the train. I can see no reason why it was cut nor why it wasn't reinserted when restored. Does anyone know?


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: cheem_2000 on November 01, 2003, 03:27:33 PM
My favorite flashback is the one in the bar where Coburn (in slow motion) shoots down to policemen, and hesitates but then shoots also his best friend (Don't like the brother idea) out of anger. It's mainly the version of the title tune that I find this the best flashback. I think the final flashback is generally too long, obviously showcasing Morricone's theme (It is indeed this version of the theme that is on the soundtrack album). I think it was better as cut, just briefly showing Sean's memories as he's dying. I think the flashback meant that Sean's girlfriend also liked his best friend and they kissing made Sean jealous (probably another reason why Sean killed his friend).
   As for the flipscreen I have only seen one explanation for why it is there. As Steiger jumps out of the train to the revolutionaries arms he's brought to the leader outside the station and they are introduced. Then they walk into the train. I can see no reason why it was cut nor why it wasn't reinserted when restored. Does anyone know?
I agree with you that the flashback scene in the pub is a great one but how can you say that the final flashback scene is overlong? Admittedly, its meaning is ambiguous but is has a sadness and a beauty that it is all the more heartbreaking. You can look at it as Sean's last memory before he dies. Poignant, and the music and the images underscore this reality.


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: The clint on November 17, 2003, 12:37:09 PM
Now, I'm a might bit disappointed by those chaps at MGM as the extras on the Fistful of Dynamite DVD are awfully thin. Just a trailer. Now wouldn't one have liked to see a version with a fully remixed 5.1 soundtrack and a documentary of the making of the film. That would have been something else. Any opinions?


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: The Smoker on November 17, 2003, 01:32:32 PM
Maybe a documentry on Zapata Westerns in general.
or just the italian 'Once Upon A Leone' Doc with subtitles.  

But the print is still very good.

I just walked into HMV after work and bought it for £12 on its release week. Fanastic really. when ive been chasing a good copy for ages.
In comparison with MGM 'For A Few Dollars More' disc which is a bit naff really, lots of dirt on the print,
Good the Bad The Ugly gets all the attention thats the problem.   :-\
Im hoping there marketing picks up on Paramount's Once Upon A Time In West 2 disc last month.

MGM do go back and 'Special Edition up' there old titles now and again. Luc Besson's Nikita got the treatment about a month ago.


Actually i think the best thing that could happen on a Leone DVD is an isolated score.
Just Morricone's Sound/Leone's Visuals, no vocals sountrack or sound effects. So you get that magic working at a raw level.


Title: Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: Jon on November 18, 2003, 01:54:13 AM
Yeah,I would say that the Dollars trilogy and Fistful Of dynamite all need re-doing as DVDs,and I can see that happening with the Dollars films but maybe not Fistful Of Dynamite as it's a less well known film.

Still,FOD needs a good release.Even the Italian DVD ,while it has the final flashback and superb picture and sound[albeit in Italian],only has a very brief interview with Leone as an extra.A commentary or doc would be nice,if only to examine the endless differences between versions of this film!!


Title: Re:Il buono...
Post by: Garry Cowell on August 25, 2004, 03:20:24 AM
Anyway besides all that crap.

Here's the final flashback... 8)

Regular Version (http://www.cityonfire.com/gZa/fod/glt.wmv) 8.3Mb (Right click to download)

Hi Res Stereo Version (http://www.cityonfire.com/gZa/fod/gltBIG.wmv) 32.7Mb (Right click to download)
To whomever requested it - the final flashback,  LARGE version is back online.


Title: Re: A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: titoli on February 19, 2005, 06:38:03 PM
1) The italian version also has Steiger saying at the end: "What about me"? ("E io adesso...?)

2) I have seen the movie thrice at the theatres and once on TV and I would have bet that there was more to the rape scene  than I can see on the italian dvd release. But probably I'm not remembering well.

3) Are we sure that the last "flashback" is really such a one?  Couldn't be this just  a way Coburn finds to reconcile himself with the friend he murdered by sharing, though only in his imagination, his girl?


Title: Re: A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: dave jenkins on February 20, 2005, 08:52:05 PM

3) Are we sure that the last "flashback" is really such a one?  Couldn't be this just  a way Coburn finds to reconcile himself with the friend he murdered by sharing, though only in his imagination, his girl?
I agree that the final "flashback" may not be a memory, but an idyll fantasized "at the point of dying." It's also possible (just) that it is not occuring in Sean's head at all. On this view, the idyllic scene (one from Sean's actual past or not) provides commentary on Sean's final state. For those sceptical of this approach, consider the ending of OUATIA: Leone shows us a detail from Noodles past that is not being remembered by Noodles (he would have been too buzzed to know he'd smiled that way). The purpose of that final scene is, IMHO, to offer Leone's final take on the character. Perhaps the final flashback in DYS works the same way.


Title: Re: A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: titoli on February 24, 2005, 03:57:55 PM
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On this view, the idyllic scene (one from Sean's actual past or not) provides commentary on Sean's final state.

I'm afraid I've lost you here. I can't appreciate unfortunately your comparison with OUTIA because I've watched that movie only twice, when it was premiered in Rome and 15 years ago on tv, and don't remember it well. But if the scene in FOD is meant to be a commentary, then it failed in its aim, because it bears all the main formal traits of the previous flash-backs (slow-motion and soundtrack) clearly meant to be (easily) related to what's passing in Sean's mind. 


Title: Re: A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: dave jenkins on February 27, 2005, 06:35:55 PM
It can be both. I think there is room for several different readings, therefore, the final flashback can be Sean's memory, the final flashback can be a fantasy, the final flashback can be a directorial commentary on Sean's final state, or the final flashback can be a combination of the above.


Title: Re: A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: Fulminated on March 04, 2005, 12:26:26 PM
DYS as I prefer to call it is my all-time favorite. There are so many parallels with my own life it is uncanny! It is as though Sergio had tapped into the Jungian collective conscious and sucked aspects of my own life into his artistry.

The theme of this movie could not be more timely! Now that the legitimizing  of torture has rasied its ugly head by the Bush regime, as Sean so poignantly said in DYS, "Now were facing it."

The theme of DYS had to do with patriotism and standing up against the worst that tyrants can throw at a true patriot....TORTURE!! All wars, depressions...the full spectrum of humanity's suffering is rooted in the machinations of the Lucifer worshipping plutocratic elite. They are now plotting an endless war along the lines of George Orwell's 1984!

"NOW WE'RE FACING IT!"   God help humanity!


Title: Re: A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: cigar joe on March 04, 2005, 04:15:05 PM
interesting take on things. i don't think we ever know the true story of whats actually going on, ever.


Title: Re: A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD)
Post by: dave jenkins on March 04, 2005, 07:18:06 PM
Not in life, perhaps, but in art, certainly.

We know exactly what is going on in DYS because SL explicitly states it at the beginning with his (slightly altered) quote from Mao:

"A revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery; it cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. A revolution is an act of violence ...."

DYS is therefore the presentation of violence for the sake of its repudiation.