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Title: The Crazy Bunch (Di Tresette ce n' uno, tutti gli altri son nessuno) (1974)
Post by: titoli on December 31, 2006, 09:04:02 PM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071417/

http://www.spaghettiwestern.altervista.org/tresette2.htm


This is not slapstick it is cartoonish. Not that it makes that much difference. I don't think it is much funny. It is not that bad either, but it is rather childish, especially the too long sequence in the madhouse. I wonder what a non-italian speaker can find in it. Actually I think many of the quotes get lost even on younger italian generations.
The initial sequence was promising and the Alessandroni's tune was totally adequate. But then the movie loses inspirations and doesn't know where to go. There are other things one could discuss but they are of interest and understanding only to an italian viewer, I think, like the Amendola's dubbing of Pazzafini which may have been an inspiration for his Milian's later dubbings.


Title: Re: The Crazy Bunch (Di Tresette ce n' uno, tutti gli altri son nessuno) (1974)
Post by: The Firecracker on January 01, 2007, 02:32:02 AM
. I wonder what a non-italian speaker can find in it.


Totally crap!


You asked...


Title: Re: The Crazy Bunch (Di Tresette ce n' uno, tutti gli altri son nessuno) (1974)
Post by: titoli on January 01, 2007, 10:21:04 AM
Well, if it is you calling "crap" this crap there's little to add, though I'd like to have also Banjo's opinion to wrap the case with a light heart, as at the italian db they still give it good marks. But where is he?


Title: Re: The Crazy Bunch (Di Tresette ce n' uno, tutti gli altri son nessuno) (1974)
Post by: The Firecracker on January 02, 2007, 01:24:58 AM
Well, if it is you calling "crap" this crap there's little to add, though I'd like to have also Banjo's opinion to wrap the case with a light heart, as at the italian db they still give it good marks. But where is he?


In all fairness, I never finished it. Viewed the first ten minutes months ago and was compelled to shut it off (for obvious reasons). Had a quick, but lengthier, view of it a week ago but had to shut it down (again) at the half way point.

I missed the much talked about "closet showdown" but I honestly couldn't care less. I'll come back to it when my life is at an all time low.

The first film in the "Dick Luft" series looks more promising...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n8Vn-2TpSY


EDIT: Banjo is out saving some lovable rodents life I'm sure...

His opinion of this was the same as mine. He also didn't take a proper look at it but how can you blame him?

A shame it was Carnimeo's last.



Title: Re: The Crazy Bunch (Di Tresette ce n' uno, tutti gli altri son nessuno) (1974)
Post by: titoli on January 02, 2007, 06:05:05 AM
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I missed the much talked about "closet showdown"


Much talked about? Megosh! Talk about the weather...


Title: Re: The Crazy Bunch (Di Tresette ce n' uno, tutti gli altri son nessuno) (1974)
Post by: Banjo on January 08, 2007, 05:53:00 PM
Well, if it is you calling "crap" this crap there's little to add, though I'd like to have also Banjo's opinion to wrap the case with a light heart, as at the italian db they still give it good marks. But where is he?
Yes i've got this catch up with this one though on evidence of a quick scan through it doesn't look overly promising-very OTT and i'm usually a big fan of Carmineo but i'll give it a proper chance ^-^


Title: Re: The Crazy Bunch (Di Tresette ce n' uno, tutti gli altri son nessuno) (1974)
Post by: Banjo on January 09, 2007, 10:47:04 AM
Well i've watched half an hour so far-have had to pause for Mrs Banjo-but i don't think too much of it so far :-\ Its sort of a mixture of keystone cops and looney tunes cartoon,all very fast paced but not funny and rather tiresome.I'll try and finish this later but i don't think i'll be bothering with the original Tricky Dicky movie :(
   Cry Onion is TONS BETTER in comparison O0


Title: Re: The Crazy Bunch (Di Tresette ce n' uno, tutti gli altri son nessuno) (1974)
Post by: The Firecracker on May 05, 2007, 11:29:43 PM
Gave this a proper look and like Titoli says, a lot of the jokes are lost on a non-italian viewer. The opening with the "odds and evens" is a promising start but after the first visit to the madhouse (which is also inspired lunacy :D) things go down hill FAST.


Title: Re: The Crazy Bunch (Di Tresette ce n' uno, tutti gli altri son nessuno) (1974)
Post by: Arizona Colt on May 27, 2007, 12:02:08 PM
THE CRAZY BUNCH- 1974  aka DICKIE LUFT IN SACRAMENTO

George Hilton, Chris Huerta, Nino Pazzafini

"Trickie" Dicke, a bounty hunter with Bugs Bunny powers is after a hidden gold consignment (aren't they all) but must locate the key that will open the strong box containing the riches. Dicke meets up with a burly "general" and the two go about locating the whereabouts of the key.

Another madcap comedy western from Guiliano Carnimeo. The sequel to ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST...THERE WAS A MAN CALLED INVINCIBLE, the zany comedy is actually pretty funny at times. Very reminiscent to comedy that would become a signature of the Zucker Brothers. In fact, I wonder if they hadn't seen one of these as inspiration.

There are scenes where dialog is exchanged in the foreground while in the background, something humorous is going on. This would soon become a staple in the AIRPLANE! and NAKED GUN movies as well as other Zucker flicks. Of course, not everything works and some of this may just be a result of the joke being lost in translation. Then again, comedy is not universal. Whereas most of the funny stuff is simple pratfalls, some of it may only resonate with Italian audiences.

The film itself seems to be broken up into vignettes. The opening sequence takes place in a valley, another sequence in a mental hospital, another in a circus hut and one in particular involves a Klan meeting. The dubbing refers to African Americans as "politicians". I'm not sure why, but that's what the reference is. There is even a rather distasteful, but still very funny bit where the leader (who constantly reminds you how disgusted he is) demonstrates what to do with "politicians".

Throughout the film another gunman, Twinkle Toes, challenges Dicke to duels that always end up in a manner that would not be uncommon in Looney Tunes cartoons. This same character, played by the same actor, shows up in the MAN CALLED INVINCIBLE movie as well. I have yet to finish watching the other Dicke Luft film but this one is a little better than what I saw in that film.

Obviously born from the same womb that is THEY CALL ME TRINITY, Hilton and Huerta are the poor man's Hill and Spencer. Hilton doesn't do much other than smile, throw a few punches and show off his numerous cartoon escape acts. Huerta is a fairly poor substitute for Bud Spencer. This duo must have been popular for a time anyway since Carnimeo used them on several occassions.

The finale features a rather sickly looking Pazzafini as another villain trying to obtain the gold. The jokes and humor are so constant, the initial plot to locate the money seems to take a back seat and then forgotten altogether by the end amidst the rapid fire antics. A very, very silly movie but it has enough funny bits to warrant at least one look if you like comedic westerns. If you do not enjoy the TRINITY movies, you may as well avoid this one like the plague.

This version is apparently the DVD debut of the film and features a second DVD with the film THE GREATEST ROBBERY IN THE WEST also with Hilton. Previously available in a limited edition english version that went OOP. Here, X-rated Kult DVD has re-released it.


Title: Re: The Crazy Bunch (Di Tresette ce n' uno, tutti gli altri son nessuno) (1974)
Post by: Arizona Colt on May 28, 2007, 11:19:19 AM
Titoli, could you be so kind as to translate the Italian title of this picture? The italian title is what is shown on this remastered german DVD.


Title: Re: The Crazy Bunch (Di Tresette ce n' uno, tutti gli altri son nessuno) (1974)
Post by: Banjo on May 31, 2007, 05:44:01 AM
Yes i'm very curious about the Italian translation too Titoli?



Title: Re: The Crazy Bunch (Di Tresette ce n' uno, tutti gli altri son nessuno) (1974)
Post by: Ringo on May 31, 2007, 05:50:26 AM
Would it be "There is Only One Tresette, All the Others are Nobodies"?


Title: Re: The Crazy Bunch (Di Tresette ce n' uno, tutti gli altri son nessuno) (1974)
Post by: Banjo on May 31, 2007, 05:59:28 AM
I think you may be very close Ringo. ;)


Title: Re: The Crazy Bunch (Di Tresette ce n' uno, tutti gli altri son nessuno) (1974)
Post by: titoli on May 31, 2007, 06:44:01 PM
Now, there are references in the title which of course get lost on foreign viewers. First of all, there's the reference to the child rhyme:

30 (days) make up november,
like april, june and september
with 28 there's only one (di 28 ce n' uno)
All the rest is 31

Now, every italian catches up with this when reading "di tresette ce n' uno" (literally: there's only one tresette).
Tutti gli altri son nessuno nessuno: all the other ones are nobody.

Tresette (literally: threeseven) it's a card game which is normally played by 4 players (2 couples) but sometime, can be played with the "dead one" (il morto), i.e. by three players, one of whom is playing with the dead one. 




Title: Re: The Crazy Bunch (Di Tresette ce n' uno, tutti gli altri son nessuno) (1974)
Post by: The Firecracker on June 11, 2007, 01:02:24 AM


 but sometime, can be played with the "dead one" (il morto)





so that is what Hilton meant, just after the opening, when he said "That's not what the dead man said" in the english dub.


Title: Re: The Crazy Bunch (Di Tresette ce n' uno, tutti gli altri son nessuno) (1974)
Post by: titoli on June 11, 2007, 02:11:59 AM
Of course, this has got much to do with the title of the first movie: I think that the name Tresette was devised just to have the chance to add that "he played always with the dead man". I should rewatch the movie and hear what he said in the italian version of the second movie..


Title: Re: The Crazy Bunch (Di Tresette ce n' uno, tutti gli altri son nessuno) (1974)
Post by: stanton on April 08, 2010, 03:03:29 PM
The real fun of this film is the title Dick Luft in Sacramento. Is this only another one of Tom Weisser's idiotic fabrications?

The english title is obviously The Crazy Bunch, but Weisser changes it to Dick Luft in Sacramento, which is a wonderful, but completely wrong translation of the German title, which means Trouble [= Dicke Luft] in Sacramento.
The funny part is he made out of Dicke Luft (trouble) the name of the protagonist (Dick Luft), maybe cause Hilton is called Tricky Dick in the English version.

Hilarious


But I think I have somewhere seen a Brazilian DVD cover which also uses the Dick Luft in Sacramento title.


Title: Re: The Crazy Bunch (Di Tresette ce n' uno, tutti gli altri son nessuno) (1974)
Post by: Dust Devil on April 09, 2010, 09:32:39 AM
The real fun of this film is the title Dick Luft in Sacramento. Is this only another one of Tom Weisser's idiotic fabrications?

The english title is obviously The Crazy Bunch, but Weisser changes it to Dick Luft in Sacramento, which is a wonderful, but completely wrong translation of the German title, which means Trouble [= Dicke Luft] in Sacramento.
The funny part is he made out of Dicke Luft (trouble) the name of the protagonist (Dick Luft), maybe cause Hilton is called Tricky Dick in the English version.

Hilarious


But I think I have somewhere seen a Brazilian DVD cover which also uses the Dick Luft in Sacramento title.

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