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Title: Cowboy (1958)
Post by: titoli on January 01, 2007, 06:22:11 PM
Strangely the dvd found a way on the italian market and I bought it at once once I found it cheap. It is one of the best westerns of the '50's and (but this you tell me) one of the least known.  This is one of the best Ford's westerns of the '50's, on a par with The Sheepman and Yuma. Lemmon is not up to the par he will establish for himself starting with The Apartment. I don't think he gets hold completely of the character, plays it too stiff, without his usual lightheartedness. Also, I think that the movie suffers from some longishness in the second half: the contrast between Lemmon and Ford is too schematic and the solution of having Lemmon temporarily hardened up too simplistic, as it is simplistic Ford's conversion to more human ways. The love story is economically dealt with and it is not hindrance to the real adventure, on the contrary it helps to enhance some traits of the relationsship between Jack Lemmon and Glenn Ford. The movie has scenes very strong for a Hollywood movie of any era, like the crude episode of the death by snake's bite. The score is very good and, as far as I can judge, even slightly innovative, though along traditional lines.


Title: Re: Cowboy (1958)
Post by: cigar joe on January 02, 2007, 04:19:11 AM
Never even heard of it.


Title: Re: Cowboy (1958)
Post by: titoli on January 02, 2007, 05:37:31 AM
Your answer tells it all.


Title: Re: Cowboy (1958)
Post by: cigar joe on January 02, 2007, 05:40:57 AM
I'll definitley watch for it, its never on TV


Title: Re: Cowboy (1958)
Post by: titoli on January 02, 2007, 05:54:33 AM
You're wrong on this, apparently. I've read at IMDB it is aired on Turner (and in the right format).
Anyway it is not aired often over here too, though apparently western movies find more room in Italy TV's than in the american ones.


Title: Re: Cowboy (1958)
Post by: cigar joe on January 02, 2007, 04:16:24 PM
I'll watch for it on Turner, it sure hasn't been on lately.


Title: Re: Cowboy (1958)
Post by: Banjo on May 31, 2007, 09:20:15 AM
  This is one of the best Ford's westerns of the '50's
Titoli,it was directed by Delmer Daves.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0051496/


Title: Re: Cowboy (1958)
Post by: titoli on July 21, 2007, 09:26:16 PM
Of course, Lemmon was great in Some Like it Hot before The Apartment.

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Titoli,it was directed by Delmer Daves.

You were sleeping when you wrote that, uh?


Title: Re: Cowboy (1958)
Post by: cigar joe on September 12, 2007, 08:22:48 PM
Cowboy 1958, Directed by Delmer Daves, Cinematography by Charles Lawton Jr. 7/10.

This is the film they (Daves, Ford, Lawton) teamed up again on right after "3:10 to Yuma", it also has Richard Jaekel and a young Strother Martin.

If you like Rawhide the TV program you'll like this film based on a true story of a Chicago hotel clerk who become a cowboy. Its very reminiscent almost of "Face To Face" as Jack Lemon becomes a clone of Glen Ford's no nonsense trail boss. I was entertained, it even had a corrida segment. Its not a shootout film, all the action is cowboy & trail drive action. Not much of a memorable soundtrack.

I rented this upon titoli's suggestion. O0

I'm really quite surprised its never on TV here, at least on the cable I get

Glenn Ford ...  Tom Reese
Jack Lemmon ...  Frank Harris
Anna Kashfi ...  Maria Vidal/Arriega
Brian Donlevy ...  Doc Bender, Trailhand
Dick York ...  Charlie, Trailhand
Víctor Manuel Mendoza ...  Paco Mendoza, Ramrod
Richard Jaeckel


Title: Re: Cowboy (1958)
Post by: dave jenkins on September 12, 2007, 08:45:28 PM
Joe, thanks, that sounds like an interesting film. Yeah, it's never on TV, and I've never had a chance to see it. I'll keep it in mind. Of course, and earlier effort by Daves, Ford, and Lawton is Jubal, quite an interesting Western with Rod Steiger as the heavy. Also has Felicia Farr and Charles Bronson and Borgnine.


Title: Re: Cowboy (1958)
Post by: cigar joe on September 12, 2007, 09:55:42 PM
I had Jubal in my collection but I traded it away I wasn't that impressed with it at the time.


Title: Re: Cowboy (1958)
Post by: dave jenkins on September 12, 2007, 10:42:56 PM
I think it's worth another look. Valerie French is very good in it, and Steiger of course is always interesting.


Title: Re: Cowboy (1958)
Post by: Dust Devil on September 05, 2010, 08:02:58 AM
I agree with titoli's short review and CJ's rating. It's nothing memorable but it does have a few interesting turns. The corrida is probably the best part of the movie: I wonder if it was Ford himself or a stuntman? When they start playing with the snake is pretty interesting too, just one of those WTH moments, bizarre, but I did enjoy Ford's explanation more than anything else.

Jack Lemmon's only W? (Don't feel like searching the IMDb.)


7/10


Title: Re: Cowboy (1958)
Post by: Dust Devil on September 05, 2010, 08:06:32 AM
WP says this movie wasn't even released in the US, it only had a limited release in NYC. Queer, very queer.


Title: Re: Cowboy (1958)
Post by: dave jenkins on September 05, 2010, 10:31:27 AM
Not much of a memorable soundtrack.
Maybe Sergio thought differently?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8NonaKxGIQ


Title: Re: Cowboy (1958)
Post by: T.H. on January 10, 2013, 03:31:30 PM
I loved this movie. It feels ten years ahead of its time. Whoever made the Face to Face '67 connection was dead on, I thought the same. You either buy the character switch or don't. I did.

The scenes in Mexico were so well done - Peckinpah probably took some notes for the Wild Bunch.

This was beautifully filmed, the night scenes were gorgeous. Interiors looked spot on too.

I loved Lemmon's performance and accepted him as a cowboy, more importantly western star, by the third act.

If I had more free time and wasn't so lazy, I'd write a book about how absurdly fucking underrated Glenn Ford is. He might be my favorite western actor.

Daves only impresses me more and more as time goes on. He's one the most overlooked of the big studio directors. He has a bit of Ford, Hawks and Ray in him. Very versatile.


Title: Re: Cowboy (1958)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 10, 2013, 03:36:42 PM
Daves only impresses me more and more as time goes on. He's one the most overlooked of the big studio directors. He has a bit of Ford, Hawks and Ray in him. Very versatile.
Daves is steadily coming into his own. Rumor is that Criterion's next Western will be 3:10 to Yuma.


Title: Re: Cowboy (1958)
Post by: T.H. on January 10, 2013, 03:47:03 PM
I did hear that. I would LOVE if Jubal or this were included somehow. Obviously both would be great but I have to keep things somewhat realistic.


Title: Re: Cowboy (1958)
Post by: dave jenkins on May 19, 2015, 07:07:06 AM
From French label Carlotta:
(http://images3.static-bluray.com/movies/covers/129249_front.jpg)
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Special Features:
NEW 4K Restoration from Sony Pictures
Interview with Michael Daves (son of director Delmer Daves): Part II
Cinematographer Richard H. Kline (The Boston Strangler) on director of photography Charles Lawton Jr.
Interview with Jan-Christopher Horak, Director of UCLA Film & Television Archive
Original Trailer
No word on the aspect ratio, but Sony wouldn't do a 4K restoration and then blow the OAR, would they?

UPDATE: I just went to amazon.fr and they have the cover art up for inspection, both front and back. According to the back of the packaging, the AR will be 1.85:1. Ordered!


Title: Re: Cowboy (1958)
Post by: T.H. on May 19, 2015, 04:22:19 PM
I think this is the release that will make me buy a region free player unless there's something from TT coming along the way. I've been lucky for the most part with R1 releases but I love this movie too much.

Thanks for posting this DJ.


Title: Re: Cowboy (1958)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on May 19, 2015, 06:18:41 PM
wow, I don't think this is THAT good a movie, but hey, to each their own  ;)


Title: Re: Cowboy (1958)
Post by: dave jenkins on May 20, 2015, 05:30:47 AM
In fact, it's a very good "true" Western (i.e. based on actual events).


Title: Re: Cowboy (1958)
Post by: T.H. on May 20, 2015, 06:09:17 PM
wow, I don't think this is THAT good a movie, but hey, to each their own  ;)

I don't mean it in a way that this movie is so great that I'd spend over 150 bucks to own it (counting the region free BR player), but this is the release that tipped the scales for me.


Title: Re: Cowboy (1958)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on May 20, 2015, 06:34:49 PM
I don't mean it in a way that this movie is so great that I'd spend over 150 bucks to own it (counting the region free BR player), but this is the release that tipped the scales for me.

That means that the region-free BRD player is what, like 120 bucks? that's not a bad price to pay to never have to worry about region-coding again.

The reason I haven't gotten a region-free player yet is mostly that I kinda have a fear of any technology that I have to do too much work with; but if it's real simple to simply change region codes, I may just get one myself soon. Keep me posted with which one you get and how well it works, please. Thanks  O0


Title: Re: Cowboy (1958)
Post by: T.H. on May 22, 2015, 02:59:35 PM
It might be a few months but I'll post an update and hopefully will save some insight on the topic.

I'm really frugal so I was initially looking for a way to mess with my PS3 to make it play all regions but I don't think it's possible or I don't have the tech skills to pull it off.


Title: Re: Cowboy (1958)
Post by: dave jenkins on June 19, 2015, 10:06:41 AM
The ratings are good at Blu-ray.com: http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Cowboy-Blu-ray/129249/#Review

Pre-ordered!


Title: Re: Cowboy (1958)
Post by: cigar joe on June 20, 2015, 05:49:06 AM
wow, I don't think this is THAT good a movie, but hey, to each their own  ;)

agree.