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Title: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: cigar joe on January 06, 2007, 11:10:12 AM
Put this P&S VHS release of Ride Lonesome into the player and finally watched this Bud Boetticher-Randolph Scott Western today, besides Scott as bounty hunter Ben Brigade, cast includes James Best (Billy John), Pernell Roberts (Sam Boone) , James Coburn (Whit), Katherine Steel (Mrs. Lane), and Lee Van Cleef Frank).

Story revolves around Brigade capturing Billy John for the bounty on his head, the twist is concerning Billy John's brother Frank which I won't give away.  Brigade meets up with Sam Boone and Whit at a stageline swing station that belongs to Mr. & Mrs Lane. Mr. Lane is absent, killed by Indians, and the story basically is of Brigade taking Billy John to justice and Mrs Lane to safety, while a war party is after them and Frank & Gang are out to free Billy John.

Its once again a great simple old school Western, this one is not quite as good as "The Tall T". Katherine Steele is just a little too much eye candy she's got a "rack" ( that Boetticher focuses on, lol) that is just a bit out of place for the time period. She's and her costume is a bit too much, too 50's, anachronistic  for the character part she plays, she could have been toned down and still be very attractive (example Diane Cilento in Hombre dressed more the part). Leone is right she slows down the pace of the film.

James Best plays a part he was born for, the young smart-aleck killer, Pernell Roberts has his best performance in any thing I seen him in, (mostly his Bonanza episodes), he was a very good in this, Coburn plays Robert's  thin as a rail sidekick Whit, in probably his first film role. Roberts and Whit play minor outlaws that are caught up in the events.

The main reason I wanted to se this film is for Lee Van Cleef, its obvious that Boetticher didn't see his potential, though with his simple storys and style of direction it wouldn't be (obvious that is).

Lee Van Cleef is not as effective as he could have been, but in this as in other of his pre Leone speaking roles, he comes off as either a hot head or a two bit outlaw.  The reason I think is beacuse his line readings and his body movements are way way too fast, but that's direction, and it seams that that was the way he was typecast for most of the fifties. Leone slowed him way down with closeups on a preched hawklike demeanor, ready to explode into action. Boetticher never did this in these films. Zinnerman saw his look in High Noon kept him silent and menacing.

So Leone kept him silent and deadly, slowed his speach down, gave him short to the point lines when he did speak, and he let his fastness be on the draw. lol.

In this film he does something so despicable that there should have been way way more buildup to the climax, but that is of course looking at the Western with Leone colored glasses. Now this despicable act that you never see device worked in the "Tall T", but here it really doesn't since its thrown out way too far towards the climax.  This is a film that you could rachet way up SW Style.  I'd show the scenario of events leading up to the act in flashbacks or some way or another, giving the audience some shockers. Anybody who has seen this will know what I'm driving at.  It should have been emphasizing Van Cleef as much as Scott, but then it wouldn't be a Boettiche-Scott Western ;-). This is remake potential.

Again this is a great cheapie budget Western, the outdoor locations alone are a major part of the film, the only structures you see are the stage swing station & corrals, and some adandoned ruins, not much money spent on sets, more money spent probably on stock and wranglers. Again we get cowboy lore on the treament of horses, and good Western slang.

There is some imagery and a sequence  that when you see it just screams GBU

I wouln't go out of the way to hunt down this VHS even though its Ful Frame and probably Pan & Scan. Boetticher didn't have those stylistic Leone camera shots so most shots are centered it seems anyway, you don't notice, wait for the widescreen DVD .


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 08, 2007, 05:22:34 PM
Ahem, that's *Karen* Steele. I wouldn't normally nitpick like this, but you're talking about the woman I love.


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: Banjo on January 08, 2007, 05:44:29 PM
Put this P&S VHS release of Ride Lonesome into the player and finally watched this Bud Boetticher-Randolph Scott Its once again a great simple old school Western, this one is not quite as good as "The Tall T".
I agree.I recorded Tall T over the Xmas period and i'm hoping you're right about that one too-but all the Botticher/Randolph Scott i've seen so far are pretty good (i watch them more for LVC/Coburn cameos than Scotts "a mans gotta do what a mans gotta do" type performance though he excels at this  )if a little tame compared to sw's.


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: cigar joe on January 08, 2007, 08:20:18 PM
I did enjoy the little sequence at the beginning where Scott is sneaking up on James Best and his horse snorts to tell him Scott's sneaking up on him.


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: dave jenkins on November 09, 2008, 03:19:01 PM
Boetticher, 'Scope, and the Invention of Leone

The Good . . . .
(http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/2994/lonesome11bb3.png)

. . . . the Bad . . . .
(http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/4893/lonesome1jh3.png)

. . . . the Horny & the Goofy:
(http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7316/lonesome2ht0.png)



The Questions . . . .
(http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/1729/lonesome8il2.png)

. . . . the Answers . . . .
(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2781/lonesome12wo3.png)

The Showdown!
(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6240/lonesome9up6.png)

The Wasteland . . . .
(http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5792/lonesome10fv2.png)



The Good . . . .
(http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/389/lonesome8ky7.png)

. . . . the Bad . . . .
(http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/5336/lonesome7xo4.png)

. . . . the Crane Shot! 
(http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4833/lonesome6xd8.png)
(was Budd a secret Clansman?)


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: cigar joe on November 09, 2008, 03:47:10 PM
Looks beautiful that close up shot of Lee Van Cleef on the VHS is almost all in shadow, can't wait to pick this up, thanks dave for the preview  O0


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: cigar joe on December 26, 2008, 09:30:29 PM
Finally got to pop the New Boetticher Box set disc of this in the player tonight.

WOW what a difference from the grainy VHS. This is a burnt amber/raw sienna Western, those are the predominant colors of the palet that Boetticher paints with and what beautiful compositions does he give us of Lone Pine and the Alabama Hills. 

I've even warmed a bit more to Karen Steel's accets looming large in certain scenes. This is the way Westerns should be made with the emphasis on landscape and compostion.

Everyone should pick up this box set.  O0


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: dave jenkins on December 27, 2008, 02:25:56 PM
Everyone who's got a pair, that is. O0


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: cigar joe on December 27, 2008, 08:57:35 PM
One more thing to mention the score towards the last half of the film splits into two distinct leitmotifs one for Lee Van Cleefs Gang and one for Randolph Scott's group. The one for Scott's group sounded familiar, and it came to me today its very similar to a part of Dvořák's Symphony No. 9.


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: titoli on December 27, 2008, 09:07:56 PM
Judging from this opener, the composer riffled something from Wagner too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCAONA-cHmI


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: cigar joe on December 28, 2008, 04:27:19 AM
Its funny the way the screen switches from wide to full after the credit sequence on that Youtube reminds me of AMC.


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: The Firecracker on June 18, 2009, 02:09:56 PM
Martin Scorsese on Ride Lonesome

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IApMAukFufg


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: titoli on June 24, 2009, 08:58:16 AM
To give it more I should watch it again, but it gets 9\10. Strange how all the time I thought more about OUTIW rather than at GBU: Van Cleef's name and the hanging tree with an elaborate way to dispose of the brother. But Leone nitpicked here and there from Boetticher, that is clear. Karen Steele :

(http://content6.flixster.com/photo/93/33/94/9333940_gal.jpg)



...looked better in the '60's:

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1303/1176755597_c53c7af0df.jpg?v=0)


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: O'Cangaceiro on June 24, 2009, 10:05:59 AM
Hey guys, they will be passing this movie tomorrow on TCM at 1 PM Pacific Time.

http://www.tcm.com/schedule/index.jsp?startDate=6/25/2009&timezone=PST&cid=N



Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: Juan Miranda on October 19, 2010, 01:04:49 PM
Saw it this week. Great little film, and it did remind me thoughout of Leone. Pernell Roberts was superb, I'd never seen him in anything before. Similarly Karen Steele was new to me. Certainly watchable but at first I was convinced her voice had been dubbed by Janet Leigh (an impression which quickly wore off). Some of Burt Kennedy's best dialogue revolved around her character, with Roberts and Coburn making a great double act.

My main gripe was the music, Heinz Roemheld's score was just dreadful, an ambling, tension free intrusion. That and the badly underwritten character Van Cleef plays. In acting terms I feel he simply blows his first and only close up dialogue scene. He could almost be reading it out loud for the fist time it's so carelessly done, the one or two mannerisms he attempts pure ham. But still, a movie well worth catching.


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: Groggy on October 19, 2010, 02:20:34 PM
Pretty cool flick. I liked Seven Men From Now a lot more though.


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: dave jenkins on October 19, 2010, 05:52:50 PM
It's a question of choosing your favorite Lee, Marvin or Van Cleef. I'd say it's a toss up.


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: Groggy on October 20, 2010, 09:25:07 AM
This one's on TCM to night at 8:00 for any Americans onboard. I may catch it again.


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: Groggy on October 20, 2010, 08:11:34 PM
It's a question of choosing your favorite Lee, Marvin or Van Cleef. I'd say it's a toss up.

Not quite. Pernell Roberts has the Marvin role in Ride Lonesome; Van Cleef is a completely different character.


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on April 21, 2011, 03:23:53 AM
just saw the movie for the first time (got the dvd from Netflix, it's in widescreen).

I agree with many of the comments here: Van Cleef was not used properly, his dialogue was way too fast. James Best, Pernell Roberts, and James Coburn were cast well). Also, SPOILER ALERT this is the first AW I have seen in a loooong time that came before the SW influences, in which the man doesn't get the girl at the end  ;)

Also, this film may feature less people than any film I have ever seen: Scott's group has 5 people, + 5 in Van Cleef's gang. Plus about 10-15 Indians or so? So about 20-25 people in the entire film.... Off the top of my head, I don't know if I can think of a film (Western or otherwise) I have ever seen that has less people than this one


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: cigar joe on April 21, 2011, 04:12:25 AM
Well check out the other three small cast Westerns of Boetticher, "The Tall T", "Comanche Station", and "Seven Men From Now".  O0


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on April 21, 2011, 05:05:42 AM
Well check out the other three small cast Westerns of Boetticher, "The Tall T", "Comanche Station", and "Seven Men From Now".  O0

haven't seen 'em yet, but will do. Thanks for the recommendations  :)


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on April 22, 2011, 11:34:58 AM
RE: the least people in a movie: I just saw "12 Angry Men" for the first time (TCM has been showing lots of Sidney Lumet's movies lately). It may rival Ride Lonesome in terms of having the least people... but I think Ride Lonesome probably has less.

We have the 12 jurors and the guy who stands outside the jury room. And in the opening scene, we see a few people in the hallway; plus in the courtroom, we see the judge and the defendant. I don't remember whether we see anyone else in the courtroom.
In the final scene, we see some people leaving the court building; it is not clear whether those are only the jurors, or also some others; I think there are probably some others as well. All told, my guess is that there are probably more than the 20-25 people that are in Ride Lonesome.. but it's pretty close  :)


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: stanton on April 22, 2011, 12:13:13 PM
The Shooting  (beneath 10)

The Naked Spur (5 and a few Indians for one scene)

I'm sure there are more



Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: T.H. on May 21, 2011, 12:57:00 PM
I just watched this for the 4th or 5th time and it improves on every view. It's a near masterpiece to me. Everything has pretty much already been said. BB does everything with nothing. I also loved how he keeps mistakes in his movies - Scott hits his head on a piece of wood in The Tall T and his hat falls from his face when he attempts to sleep in Ride Lonesome. Little touches like that are the difference between good and great movies imo.



Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: Groggy on April 05, 2013, 07:23:19 AM
T.H. said it best and more succinctly.

Quote
Another entry in Budd Boetticher's Ranown Cycle, Ride Lonesome (1959) is an extraordinary film. It crams a lot of plot, action and character drama into its 72 minute run time, forging a classic Western.

Bounty hunter Ben Brigade (Randolph Scott) captures outlaw Billy John (Tom Laughlin... er, James Best). Returning him to Santa Cruz, Ben encounters Sam Boone (Pernell Roberts) and Whit (James Coburn), two outlaws who hope themselves to turn in Billy John for amnesty. They also encounter Carrie Lane (Karen Steele), who lost her husband to Mescalero Apaches. The quintet escapes the Indians but Billy's brother Frank (Lee Van Cleef) on their tale. Sam and Whit suspect Ben has a score to settle with Frank, uncertain of their role.

Like its predecessors, Ride Lonesome presents a compact Western drama. Boetticher provides two big action scenes (an Indian chase reminiscent of The Searchers, the gruesome final showdown) and some striking Cinemascope photography (you'll remember the burning tree, if nothing else). Boetticher and writer Burt Kennedy again mix sharp characterization with brutal violence, making cliches like Indian attacks and revenge-seeking fresh. Again, archetypes aren't bad when they're so skillfully handled.

Ride Lonesome reconfigures Ranown dynamics slightly. Ben's still stoic ("She ain't ugly!" he drawls while ogling the voluptuous Carrie) but shows coarser edges as a bounty hunter with a grudge. Notably he forces Frank into an uneven showdown by threatening to hang Billy, a nasty scene reminiscent of Anthony Mann. Carrie makes an agreeably complex character: she's tough and self-reliant but still feminine, a good compromise between extreme polarities. Unlike Maureen O'Sullivan in The Tall T she's happy in her marriage and doesn't run into Ben's arms.

More typically, Boetticher shows greatest sympathy to the side characters. Sam genuinely wants to go straight, seeing the amnesty as the key to redemption. A tough but noble soul, Sam proves his worthiness by backing Ben when Billy John gets the drop on him. Boetticher even grants the conventionally villainous Frank humanity, begging for his brother's life. Boetticher's gunfighter ethics ("Some things a man just can't ride around," here uttered by Sam) feel as immutable as the samurai's bushido code.

Randolph Scott again provides a laconic anchor, but here he's outshone by his co-stars. Boetticher favorite Karen Steele agreeably mixes toughness and vulnerability, one of the better Western heroines. Pernell Roberts gives a layered turn while James Coburn makes a memorable debut performance. Lee Van Cleef provides his best pre-Leone performance, making the most of brief screen time.

Ride Lonesome marks another home run from Budd Boetticher. The Ranown films are marvelous in their simple beauty, and this is one of the best. 9/10

http://nothingiswrittenfilm.blogspot.com/2013/04/ride-lonesome.html (http://nothingiswrittenfilm.blogspot.com/2013/04/ride-lonesome.html)


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: Groggy on April 05, 2013, 10:01:27 AM
The Shooting  (beneath 10)

The Naked Spur (5 and a few Indians for one scene)

I'm sure there are more

Secret Honor has one.


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: stanton on April 05, 2013, 04:21:22 PM
I know


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: Moorman on November 28, 2017, 10:44:40 AM
Like i said in the Tall T thread, i'm not feeling Randolph Scott westerns... 5 out of 10...


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: cigar joe on November 28, 2017, 10:55:26 AM
Like i said in the Tall T thread, i'm not feeling Randolph Scott westerns... 5 out of 10...

Well do this, put them aside and watch them (the Boetticher Westerns) again after you get your fill of the vast majority of mediocre Westerns that came out of the 40s and 50s. They may click for you then. 


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 28, 2017, 08:45:20 PM
Like i said in the Tall T thread, i'm not feeling Randolph Scott westerns... 5 out of 10...

Come back to them later. THE TALL T and RIDE LONESOME are very solid movies. Leone once told Boetticher, “Bud, dear Bud, I stole everything from you!”

Another top-notch Western you have to put on your watch list is THE GUNFIGHTER with Gregory Peck.


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: Moorman on November 29, 2017, 12:11:50 AM
Come back to them later. THE TALL T and RIDE LONESOME are very solid movies. Leone once told Boetticher, “Bud, dear Bud, I stole everything from you!”

Another top-notch Western you have to put on your watch list is THE GUNFIGHTER with Gregory Peck.

I already have seen The Gunfighter. I mentioned it in the Fastest Gun Alive thread. It's one of my favorite westerns. Trivia: They used the same town in both The Gunfighter and The Oxbow Incident. Both are great films...


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 29, 2017, 12:16:15 AM
I already have seen The Gunfighter. I mentioned it in the Fastest Gun Alive thread. It's one of my favorite westerns. Trivia: They used the same town in both The Gunfighter and The Oxbow Incident. Both are great films...

 O0


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: dave jenkins on November 29, 2017, 08:17:41 AM
7 Men From Now is the Boetticher to start with.  ;)


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 29, 2017, 08:24:34 AM
IMO the good movies are 7 Men from Now, Comanche Station, Ride Lonesome, and The Tall T. The other three - Buchanan Rides Alone, Decision at Sundown, and Westbound - are not good movies.


Title: Re: Ride Lonesome (1959)
Post by: cigar joe on November 29, 2017, 08:57:05 AM
IMO the good movies are 7 Men from Now, Comanche Station, Ride Lonesome, and The Tall T. The other three - Buchanan Rides Alone, Decision at Sundown, and Westbound - are not good movies.

I'd even agree with that....  :o