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Films of Sergio Leone => The Good, The Bad and The Ugly => Topic started by: General Sibley on August 11, 2003, 03:33:16 PM

Title: Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: General Sibley on August 11, 2003, 03:33:16 PM
Hey, newbie here.

Just saw the restored version at the Music Box in Chicago, old movie palace.

This is where I first saw the film as a 9 year old kid back in 1967.  My cousins lived 2 blocks from the theater, and we saw GBU 3 times in the summer of '67.   Each time we would leave the theater all hyped up with excitement, not really being able to explain what we had seen but knowing we'd experienced something incredible.

It's still an incredible movie, it's amazing how well it's held up after almost 40 years.  What I found kind of interesting seeing it again on the big screen is how diminished Eastwood is.  On TV, he commands the screen but in 35mm he doesnt have nearly the same presense.  But Tuco & Angel Eyes blew me away.  The opening scenes with Angel Eyes are insane, epecially when he first dismounts his horse and his first closeup silhouettes that face against the blue desert sky.  The coolest establishing shot ever.  Superb, he IS evil incarnate, especially the scene in the hacienda, "And some in gold...a tidy sum"    ;D

Totally different experience in 35mm, you need to go see it ASAP.  
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: cigar joe on August 11, 2003, 03:48:51 PM
Yes it definitely needs to be seen on the Big Screen! Perhaps it seems as if Eastwood is dimmished because it is not a pan and scan version as it was shown for many years on the tube.
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: Cusser on August 11, 2003, 05:27:35 PM
In Phoenix, GBU played in June 1968, I was 15 and never heard of spaghettis.  I had contacted a local chain and a cinema supper club here about showing the restored GBU, but they weren't interested.  I taped it in une and my family all watched it together on July 4th on a widescreen TV.  My 15 and 12 year-old had never seen it before, but had obviously heard the soundtracks in my truck many times, and both heard GBU theme as their first music (traveling home from the hospital).  So Phoenix looks like it will be largest U.S. City without Amtrak and without GBU both !!!  See, Phoenix can rate for something.
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: General Sibley on August 12, 2003, 09:40:27 PM
"Judas...you sold my hide!"

Too bad it hasn't been to Phoenix yet, hopefully they book it there soon.  I remember I also saw OUATITW on a 35mm rerelease 5 or so years ago,   that was equally spectacular.  "Well, now that you know me by name..."

Personally, I think GBU makes a great children's movie.   Great moral lessons to be learned, like Brothers Grimm  ;)

But on to more serious matters.  Since the film has been rereleased, will the Academy rules now rectify a grievious injustice and award an Oscar to Eli Wallach?    You get jaded watching it on the small screen so many times, but MY GOD does he sink his teeth into that role.  Bravo!  Clint Eastwood has obviously risen to the screen Pantheon since then, but Tuco makes him disappear whenever they're in the same frame - no easy task in hindsight.   Chewed the hell out of the scenery, but who cares - has anyone ever conveyed a similar manic force-of-nature intensity on screen?  

TUCO RULES!
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: Cusser on August 13, 2003, 10:01:45 AM
Agree, Wallach performance in GBU one of the best ever.  Also, I believe GBU is best ever use of music score in a film, ever.  And agree, there are lessons to be learned from GBU, especially anti-war themes, quite extraordinary for a film with so much killing.
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: Angel Eyes on August 22, 2003, 01:18:26 PM
thank your lucky stars you dont live in the UK , we arent getting it here at all ....  (sound of weeping)
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: General Sibley on August 25, 2003, 02:11:01 PM
Angel Eyes, you could probably hop over to Italy & catch it - I'm sure its playing in Rome.  Hows it go again -  Il Bruto, Il Buono Il Cattivo?  Would probably be a trip seeing it in the mother tongue.

Speaking of which, I've heard that the actor who dubs the voice of Clint Eastwood is a huge star in Italy.  Sits at cafes wearing a silk cravatte signing autographs, sipping prosecco.
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 02, 2003, 01:59:37 PM
Angel Eyes, you could probably hop over to Italy & catch it - I'm sure its playing in Rome.  Hows it go again -  Il Bruto, Il Buono Il Cattivo?  Would probably be a trip seeing it in the mother tongue.
 
Nice idea Wolverinepete, I wonder if it is on in Holland. I make my yearly pilgrimage to Amsterdam this month, now that would be fun...
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: General Sibley on September 02, 2003, 02:28:06 PM

[ I make my yearly pilgrimage to Amsterdam this month, now that would be fun.../quote]

Amsterdam + "Coffeehouse" + GBU + 70mm = FUN

"Theres nothing better than a good smoke after a meal"  ;)

Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 03, 2003, 07:29:27 AM


We can dream...
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: General Sibley on September 04, 2003, 11:54:14 AM
Angeleyes, I googled Amsterdam and to your utter misfortune it doesn't look like GBU is playing there currently.  

Console yourself with a Sherazade at Cafe Dampkring.

"To sleep, perchance to dream"
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 19, 2003, 12:19:46 PM
Angeleyes, I googled Amsterdam and to your utter misfortune it doesn't look like GBU is playing there currently.  

Console yourself with a Sherazade at Cafe Dampkring.

"To sleep, perchance to dream"
Just got back Wolverinepete, dont think I'd of found cinema even if it was on. But plenty of sleeping and dreaming though.
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: General Sibley on September 20, 2003, 03:10:18 AM
I never slept so soundly on a plane as I did returning from Amsterdam, I was OUT until the plane hit the tarmac  8)

Hey Angeleyes, were you searching for Maria - did she tell you where Beel Carson is?

Adios Half-Soldier!

 
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: Bill Carson on September 27, 2003, 03:23:10 PM
greetings to you strangers.  8) I am Bill Carson and I came across this website about an hour ago and wow! this is where I belong! I'm in London, England, it's about 23:30, Saturday night and the greatest film ever made; The Good, The Bad & The Ugly is playing on Channel 4. It must be a sign of some sort. Leone was,is and always will be the Master. Now, this 'restored version' you speak of? Tell the new boy more my friends!
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 27, 2003, 04:56:48 PM
greetings to you strangers.  8) I am Bill Carson and I came across this website about an hour ago and wow! this is where I belong! I'm in London, England, it's about 23:30, Saturday night and the greatest film ever made; The Good, The Bad & The Ugly is playing on Channel 4. It must be a sign of some sort. Leone was,is and always will be the Master. Now, this 'restored version' you speak of? Tell the new boy more my friends!

Welcome Bill, I just watched the Channel 4 screening too, hoping by chance it would be the knew restored version (Clint and Eli have recently voiced some "missing" scenes) that the whole world has seen apart from us. I too live in London and hope is fading that it will be screened in theatres here!
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: Bill Carson on September 28, 2003, 01:45:01 AM
"Hey Blondie, isn't that Angel Eyes?"  Good Morning Friend! Yes it would have been beautiful if we were treated to the new version or a documentary on the subject. well you have made me a happy man! I heard a rumour at work that Clint & Eli had indeed recorded lines for the lost scenes and that Van Cleef's lines were done by a voice actor. It now seems that the rumours were true as I have read the messages by our friends in the US (Lucky Buggers!) Perhaps we will get screenings at selected cinemas here in the UK. I work in London's West End so I will keep my ears to the ground for any and all info. Ahh, the 'Ecstasy of Gold' scene on the big screen again, that would be beautiful.  8)
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: cigar joe on September 28, 2003, 05:55:18 AM
Actually the voice actor did a better job with Van Cleef than Clint & Eli did with themselves, but its a small insignificant critique. The restored scenes are great.
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: General Sibley on September 30, 2003, 02:59:54 PM
When you English sods finally join the rest of western civilisation you'll have the pleasure of hearing Eli Wallach trying to conjure up Tuco 40 years later.  He sounds like a frail old Jewish shopkeeper now.
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: The clint on October 07, 2003, 01:56:25 PM
What's with the people on this site, you always want to see the longest versions of every movie. Isn't the 162 minute version just enough? Why put in scenes that Leone cut himself out of the film for international release? I don't like when films are tampered with so that 37 year old footage is matched with recent dialogue. I'll just stick with the remaining scenes as extra material on DVD. You may disagree.
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: General Sibley on October 12, 2003, 03:58:42 PM
Well, IMHO after seeing the film on television 88 times and counting, a new version is more than welcome.  We're not talking the King James bible here.

I agree that some of the scenes should have remained on the editing room floor (Tuco in the cave for sure).  But the two additional scenes with Angeleyes add depth without detracting from the pacing.  Definitely makes him less two-dimensional, and adds a sympathetic element to his character.  

When the Stones tour, they don't perform the songs identically each time.  I'm not offended if a movie is treated as a fluid work, as long as the scenes were filmed at the time of the original.  You're still talking about the same spirit of creative inspiration on the screen.  

Now if a hack at a studio starts digitally recreating new scenes to push out a new DVD revenue stream...  
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: cigar joe on October 13, 2003, 03:43:59 AM
Now your almost not that far off the mark, remember how not long ago they were talking about how computers and digital animation could in effect resurect long gone movie stars to sell adds.

You can almost  imagine a diditally resurected Angel Eyes or Colonel Mortimer seeking vengence in a future western. lol
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: General Sibley on October 13, 2003, 05:52:16 AM
...Actually, now that I think of it I wouldn't mind seeing some additional digital scenes.

How about a flashback sequence when Tuco has the noose around his neck, similar to OUATITW?  A quick-cut montage of him remembering with glee all the crimes they recite, "Wanted in 14 counties in this state...."
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: The clint on October 13, 2003, 10:39:41 AM
Oh, I don't believe that anyone would think that's a good idea. It sucks! Why would anyone damage a film like that?! It's distorting a director's vision, rouining the intended film and plus, creating a scene digitally is cheating. It doesn't involve astual actors. I don't like computer generated characters in movies at all, but this is worse. This is a prime example how low people can get.
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: cigar joe on October 13, 2003, 04:04:26 PM
It wouldn't be good to screw around with the masterpieces of course, I don't mean that.

Just think of something that might be fun and may be cool with a digitally recreated Lee Van Cleef. You never know it could be very interesting.
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: KERMIT on October 14, 2003, 02:05:27 PM
while being interviewed on the actors studio
 m. scorsese revealed he no longer uses film.
everything computerized.
could anyone fill me in on how this process    
works.   ???
thx,
kerm
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: cigar joe on October 15, 2003, 04:32:45 PM
Probably shoots in digital format, like "Once Upon A Time In Mexico" that was all digital.
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: KERMIT on October 15, 2003, 11:58:32 PM
thanks cj . now i wonder what angel eyes eye's would
look like in digital ? (. . )
                       o00o  _  o00o   :o
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: The clint on October 16, 2003, 11:03:55 AM
That sounds terrible. Digital is an amatour format and Scorsese is certainly no amatour. Movies are progressing in the wrong direction. Digital is practical but nothing really substitutes the real thing (celluloid film). If I were to make a movie for real (for practice it's good to use digital) I'd film it on real material. Can I have any opinions... What do you prefer?
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: The Smoker on October 16, 2003, 12:03:09 PM
I do hear were your coming from Clint.
I feel theres a weight and substance to conventional film frame motion . Which digital 'born' films lack...

This debate between analogue/digital format has been going on for 25 years now.

Look whats happened to a certain factions of music recently. People are moving back to analogue production methods
- a warmer sound, more substance & less clinical cold.
After 20 years of the CD.

Im waffling now..  ::) Anyways..

But i do feel digital film restoration, when used to clean old analogue celulloid material like Good The Bad and The Ugly. can only be a good thing.. makes a film look youthful again.

Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: Angel Eyes on October 19, 2003, 08:46:04 AM
they seem to shoot and edit on video then transfer the final cut onto film.
which is what they did with Once Upon a Time in Mexico, I must admit I wouldnt of noticed unless Garry hadnt of told me first.
presumably all this is to save cash on filmstock.
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: KERMIT on October 19, 2003, 10:27:37 AM
makes sense to me.  as long as they do it right.
otherwise it can be a mell of a hess.  
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: gigemags on October 27, 2003, 07:00:23 PM
Anyone know if the restored version will be in the atlanta area ? Thanks.
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: General Sibley on October 29, 2003, 11:45:01 AM
Gigemags, sorry couldn't find anything about an Atlanta showing but did stumble across this interview with some very cool quotes from Eli Wallach...
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And how does Eli Wallach feel about it all 35 years later?
"I think it is just wonderful. It's better than most of the other films that are being released today. Going back into the studio to voice my sequences after so long brought back some great memories. Sergio was unique, a great film-maker and a real pioneer. I know he would be very proud of this. I miss him a lot. I wish he was still making movies today. And he wouldn't be using a computer."  
"You know, I'm getting on in age now and my hair is white. But every now and again I'll be walking down the street and someone will pass me, young and old, and whistle the theme of The Good, The Bad and The Ugly to me as they walk by. Out of all the films I've done in the past 50 years, it's the only film they seem to remember. Now, isn't that something."
As screen legend Charlton Heston once said, "Film preservation is the single most important thing in Hollywood today."
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complete link:  
http://www.astor-theatre.com/calendar/reviews/reviewsT/the-good-the-bad-the-ugly.html
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: KERMIT on October 29, 2003, 01:48:03 PM
"....and he  wouldn't be using a computor". eli  walach's remarks so touching.  what a great guy. great actor.  
the troups thank you general.  this is a post i'll treasure ! tuco speaks. HOO-HAA !  ;D
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: General Sibley on October 29, 2003, 02:46:00 PM
You can tell he loves the attention on the street, what a great little interview ain't it?  You can hear Tuco in the rhythm of his sentences.   He had the role of a lifetime and he knew it and he put everything he had into it.  All  bow to Mighty Tuco!
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: KERMIT on October 29, 2003, 05:12:45 PM
i'm assuming a prostrate position.  horizontal.
thank you mr. eli !!
w/out tuco my life would have just been dull.
life is good.  8)
Title: Re:Restored Version at the Music Box...
Post by: Concorde on November 06, 2003, 04:37:26 PM
Hey, Gigemags and General Sibley,

The restored GBU is now scheduled to open in Atlanta on Friday, December 19, at the Midtown Art Cinema on Monroe Drive.

And there shall be much rejoicing.