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Title: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: PowerRR on January 27, 2007, 06:51:13 PM
They don't have to be war films in Saving Private Ryan's case, but they can just revolve mostly around the war, the effects of war, anything about war really. Still, I would not really consider The Good, The Bad and The Ugly a war film - though that's just me, use it if you wish.

10. Platoon
9. Letters from Iwo Jima
8. All Quiet on the Western Front
7. Bridge on the River Kwai
6. Empire of the Sun
5. Lawrence of Arabia
4. Downfall
3. Schindler's List (Not a war film in the fullest sense)
2. Apocalypse Now (Not a war film in the fullest sense)
1. The Deer Hunter (Not a war film in the fullest sense)

All Quiet on the Western front is the most realistic *fictional* portrayal of war.
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: Amaze on January 27, 2007, 06:55:02 PM
in no order:

platoon
apocalypse now
full metal jacket

yea, that's pretty much all I can think of right now. I'd like to add hearts and minds too though. even if it's a documentary.
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: Silenzio on January 27, 2007, 06:56:26 PM
1. Lawrence of Arabia
2. Apocalypse Now
3. The Bridge on the River Kwai
4. Das Boot
5. The Battle of Algiers
6. All Quiet on the Western Front
7. Letters from Iwo Jima
8. Paths of Glory

Can't think of any more. Only seen the first half of Schindler's List, and will watch the Deer Hunter tomorrow.
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: Juan Miranda on January 27, 2007, 07:06:01 PM
Done that not long ago:

http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=3312.30
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: Silenzio on January 27, 2007, 07:09:37 PM
Done that not long ago:

http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=3312.30


Yeah, I remember that now.

I notice you include Ran on your list. I'm not sure if it's a war film because it's about fictional conflict, not a real war. But, if it counts, throw it in and number three for me.  8)
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Post by: Juan Miranda on January 27, 2007, 07:18:29 PM
I'm not sure if it's a war film because it's about fictional conflict, not a real war. But, if it counts, throw it in and number three for me.  8)

Well, THE TWO TOWERS is one of my fave war films, and thats about one the best conflicts of all, one which never happened (yeah yeah, I know it's a WWII allegory, but you know what I mean). I also have DR. STRANGELOVE included... Let's hope that STILL doesn't happen. Though I seem to have been accused of not liking war films, for reasons which utterly evade me.  :o
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Post by: Jon1 on January 27, 2007, 07:21:44 PM
Well, THE TWO TOWERS is one of my fave war films, and thats about one the best conflicts of all, one which never happened (yeah yeah, I know it's a WWII allegory, but you know what I mean). I also have DR. STRANGELOVE included... Let's hope that STILL doesn't happen. Though I seem to have been accused of not liking war films, for reasons which utterly evade me.  :o
Didn't Tolkien protest to his grave that it wasn't a WW2 allegory?
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: Jon1 on January 27, 2007, 07:58:59 PM
Didn't Tolkien protest to his grave that it wasn't a WW2 allegory?
Yes.  Picked this quote off google.

"As for any inner meaning or 'message', it has in the intention of the author none. It is neither allegorical nor topical... It was written long before the foreshadow of 1939 had yet become a threat of inevitable disaster, and from that point the story would have developed along essentially the same lines, if that disaster had been averted."  --Tolkien in foreword to LOTR
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: grandpa_chum on January 28, 2007, 02:14:25 PM
first off i have not seen letters from iwo jima yet, but i'm hopeful it will make it's way high up on this list, it looks great... also these are ordered as it pertains to being a war movie, strangelove may be the best overall movie on this list, but it's not the best WAR movie... can't really explain any better how I ranked them, but it's not by their overall appeal... this is nowhere near how i would rank them overall.... I also can't really describe what criteria I use to decide whether or not they are considered war films... first I tend to require the use of guns... second there must be actual combat... and I tend not to include westerns set during wars but not exclusively about the war, not that a movie has to be completely about and set during a war, i'm just less leniant with westerns on the issue.

1. Cross Of Iron
2. Duck, You Sucker
3. Casualties Of War
4. Paths Of Glory
5. Apocalypse Now
6. Hell Is For Heroes
7. Dr. Strangelove
8. The Big Red One
9. The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly
10. Platoon
11. The Great Escape
12. Saving Private Ryan
13. Red Dawn
14. Patton
15. Lawrence Of Arabia
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: Sanjuro on January 28, 2007, 03:03:09 PM
1. Under the Flag of the Rising Sun
2. The Emperor's Naked Army Marches On
3. Fires on the Plain
4. Flags of Our Fathers
5. Special Navy Youth Troop
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: Silenzio on January 28, 2007, 03:05:39 PM
1. Under the Flag of the Rising Sun
2. The Emperor's Naked Army Marches On
3. Fires on the Plain
4. Flags of Our Fathers
5. Special Navy Youth Troop

Wow. I've only heard of one of those (guess which one  :D ). Are these all Japanese movies? (judging by the title, the first two certainly appear to be)
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: geoman-1 on January 28, 2007, 04:48:20 PM
1. Lawrence of Arabia
2. Apocalypse Now
3. The Bridge on the River Kwai
4. Das Boot
5. The Battle of Algiers
6. All Quiet on the Western Front
7. Letters from Iwo Jima
8. Paths of Glory

Can't think of any more. Only seen the first half of Schindler's List, and will watch the Deer Hunter tomorrow.
You never saw "Platoon" Silenzio?  ???
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: Kurug3n on January 28, 2007, 05:42:40 PM
in no particulary order:

The Deer Hunter
Three Kings
GBU
Apocaylspe Now
Glory
Windtalkers
Saving Private Ryan
Hamburger Hill
Enemy At the Gates
Jacobs Ladder
Dead Presidents
Rambo Part 2 (doesnt this count as a vietnam movie??)

and thats all i can think of at the moment
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: Jon1 on January 28, 2007, 05:55:07 PM
Off the top of my head...it's hard for me to say.  What's a war movie, really?  I wouldn't call GBU "a war movie".  I mean is Dr. Zhivago a "war movie"?  I haven't seen either "Flags of Our Fathers" or the other new one....both of which I heard were very good.

So a few off the top of my head.....

DIRTY DOZEN  (haven't seen this on anybody's list yet!)
Saving Private Ryan
Platoon
Deer Hunter
Braveheart
Bridge on the River Kwai
Full Metal Jacket
First half of Apocalypse Now.....
more as they come to me.
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: Silenzio on January 28, 2007, 05:59:27 PM


DIRTY DOZEN 


Good call.
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: Silenzio on January 28, 2007, 06:02:51 PM
You never saw "Platoon" Silenzio?  ???

Crap, throw it in there at nine. Silenzio always be fuh-gettin' things.
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: Sanjuro on January 28, 2007, 08:46:52 PM
Wow. I've only heard of one of those (guess which one  :D ). Are these all Japanese movies? (judging by the title, the first two certainly appear to be)

Yes, they are all Japanese movies (except "Flags of Our Fathers" of course) that tell you how inhuman war is. I wish they were shown all over the world over and over until war is extinct from this planet. 
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: Silenzio on January 28, 2007, 08:50:09 PM
Yes, they are all Japanese movies (except "Flags of Our Fathers" of course) that tell you how inhuman war is. I wish they were shown all over the world over and over until war is extinct from this planet. 

Alright, I just put Under the Flag of the Rising Sun in my netflix queue, it's fifth after The Office, Le Cercle Rouge, Tokyo Story and Bring me the Head of Alfredo Garcia!  :D
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: Sanjuro on January 28, 2007, 09:09:49 PM
Alright, I just put Under the Flag of the Rising Sun in my netflix queue, it's fifth after The Office, Le Cercle Rouge, Tokyo Story and Bring me the Head of Alfredo Garcia!  :D

Good choice! It's an excellent film, I can guarantee you. But I must warn you also, it's very graphic (violent). This will be your first Fukasaku film.
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Post by: Silenzio on January 28, 2007, 09:15:28 PM
Good choice! It's an excellent film, I can guarantee you. But I must warn you also, it's very graphic (violent). This will be your first Fukasaku film.

I've been meaning to get myself educated in Japanese films other than Kurosawa's. I was sitting around one day when I realized that I don't think I've seen a single Japanese film that wasn't a Kurosawa one. Frightening. So I'm going to be checking out some Ozu. Any other directors you would strongly recommend?
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: Sanjuro on January 28, 2007, 10:54:04 PM
I've been meaning to get myself educated in Japanese films other than Kurosawa's. I was sitting around one day when I realized that I don't think I've seen a single Japanese film that wasn't a Kurosawa one. Frightening. So I'm going to be checking out some Ozu. Any other directors you would strongly recommend?

There are so many I can recommend. Kenji Mizoguchi, Masaki Kobayashi, Kaneto Shindo, Yasuzo Masumura, Mikio Naruse, Shohei Imamura, Kon Ichikawa, Keisuke Kinoshita, Shuji Terayama, Nagisa Oshima, Kiju Yoshida, Kinji Fukasaku, Yoji Yamada, Yojiro Takita, Toshio Matsumoto to name a few. They are all great and significant directors in the history of Japanese cinema. 
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Post by: Aguirre on January 28, 2007, 11:09:43 PM
There are so many I can recommend. Kenji Mizoguchi, Masaki Kobayashi, Kaneto Shindo, Yasuzo Masumura, Mikio Naruse, Shohei Imamura, Kon Ichikawa, Keisuke Kinoshita, Shuji Terayama, Nagisa Oshima, Kiju Yoshida, Kinji Fukasaku, Yoji Yamada, Yojiro Takita, Toshio Matsumoto to name a few. They are all great and significant directors in the history of Japanese cinema. 

Suijen Suzuki is pretty damn cool, and pretty significant.
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: Sanjuro on January 28, 2007, 11:12:56 PM
Suijen Suzuki is pretty damn cool, and pretty significant.

He certainly has a unique position in Japanese cinema, but I'm not sure if I can call him significant within the context of Japanese film history.
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Post by: Aguirre on January 29, 2007, 12:16:53 AM
I think you can. He was very deep into the avant garde scene and broke many traditions in film making. Not to mention his huge influence on pop culture, or counter-culture.
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: The Peacemaker on January 29, 2007, 12:19:27 AM
My top 5 war movies?

Hmm...

1) DYS
2) Apacalypse Now
3) Doctor Zhivago
4) Lawrence of Arabia
5) Full Metal Jacket
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: Aguirre on January 29, 2007, 12:24:12 AM
Starship Troopers I think best shows what going through a war can be like without coming off heavy handed and preachy. Too bad the film is often tossed aside as camp.
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: The Peacemaker on January 29, 2007, 12:26:18 AM
Starship Troopers I think best shows what going through a war can be like without coming off heavy handed and preachy. Too bad the film is often tossed aside as camp.

I like war films that show the psychological effects warfare has on the human mind.
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Post by: Aguirre on January 29, 2007, 12:31:48 AM
I like war films that show the psychological effects warfare has on the human mind.

Yea, pretty much what Starship Troopers is, combining that with heavy satire on media, and probing fascism.

What did you think of it?
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Post by: Sanjuro on January 29, 2007, 12:32:53 AM
I think you can. He was very deep into the avant garde scene and broke many traditions in film making. Not to mention his huge influence on pop culture, or counter-culture.

He was influential in a certain way. But you have to understand he was using the pop culture in his work not the other way around. I like some of his works, but if you consider influence on a thematic and social level not just a form of expression, I think it's debatable if he has been a significant  director in the history of Japanese films.  
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: The Peacemaker on January 29, 2007, 12:33:50 AM
Yea, pretty much what Starship Troopers is, combining that with heavy satire on media, and probing fascism.

What did you think of it?

Oh I hate the media.  >:(

I didn't see Starship Troopers. What's it about?
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: Aguirre on January 29, 2007, 12:34:27 AM
How is The Fighting Elegy, though? I've heard really great things about it, and it falls into the category of war films, no?
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: Aguirre on January 29, 2007, 12:37:04 AM
Oh I hate the media.  >:(

I didn't see Starship Troopers. What's it about?

If the guy from Robocop directing Aliens. That's it pretty much.
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: The Peacemaker on January 29, 2007, 12:37:54 AM
If the guy from Robocop directing Aliens. That's it pretty much.

Two other movies I never saw.  ;D
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: Sanjuro on January 29, 2007, 12:39:04 AM
How is The Fighting Elegy, though? I've heard really great things about it, and it falls into the category of war films, no?


"Fighting Elegy" is one of Seijun's best work but not to be considered a war movie at all. It's a coming-of-age film with a very abstract ending.
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: Kurug3n on January 29, 2007, 07:54:11 PM
If the guy from Robocop directing Aliens. That's it pretty much.

except with so more cheese  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: cigar joe on February 07, 2007, 08:25:49 PM
You guys must see Pasqalino Settebellze (Seven Beauties) 1975, one of the best anti war films ever, its on my top ten list of all time films, never mind war films.  O0

http://imdb.com/title/tt0075040/
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Post by: geoman-1 on February 10, 2007, 04:31:35 PM
"Casualties of War"  was on cable a few days ago.
I am surprised it recieved no mention in our poll.
Ennio's soundtrack to this film was excellent.
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: Sanjuro on February 10, 2007, 11:10:31 PM
"Casualties of War"  was on cable a few days ago.
I am surprised it recieved no mention in our poll.
Ennio's soundtrack to this film was excellent.

Yes "Casualties of War" is a powerful film. I like that film too. At the end of the film, Michael J Fox gets off a Muni car and walks into one of my favorite San Francisco parks, Dolores Park.
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Post by: cigar joe on February 12, 2007, 04:32:46 PM
Seven Beauties (Pasqualino Settebellze) 1975

Opening sequence with real WWII footage and the introduction of Pasqalino, lol check it out  O0:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WNyuvrwlXU4
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Post by: Juan Miranda on February 12, 2007, 04:57:52 PM
Looks like the whole film has been posted. Can't sit through You Tube quality features though.
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Post by: PowerRR on February 14, 2007, 05:07:39 AM
10. Empire of the Sun
9. Come and See
8. Letters from Iwo Jima
7. All Quiet on the Western Front
6. Bridge on the River Kwai
5. Lawrence of Arabia
4. Downfall
3. Schindler's List
2. Apocalypse Now
1. The Deer Hunter

Arr...new list. I'm sorry for ever doubting Come and See, as well as judging it from the first half hour.
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: Silenzio on May 15, 2007, 07:54:45 PM
Roy, you should check out UNDER THE FLAG OF THE RISING SUN.

Stylized, but heartbreaking:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0289782/




As well as THE SHOP ON MAIN STREET:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059527/
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on May 15, 2007, 08:06:52 PM
These are my favorites off the top of my head, in no preticular order....


Platoon
Saving Private Ryan
The Bridge on the River Kwai
The Great Escape
Patton
The Deer Hunter
Apocalypse Now
Empire of the Sun
Paths of Glory
Enemy at the Gates
Casualties of War
Full Metal Jacket
The Longest Day
Story of G.I. Joe
Schindler's List
Glory
Braveheart
The Dirty Dozen
Memphis Belle
Flags of our Fathers
Letters from Iwo Jima
All Quiet on the Western Front
Black Hawk Down
The Three Kings
Sands of Iwo Jima
Flight of the Intruder
We Were Soldiers
Kingdom of Heaven
The Patriot
Title: Re: Post your Top 5/10/50 (doesn't matter) war films.
Post by: Man with no dame on May 15, 2007, 09:42:55 PM
1 Lawrence of Arabia 2 Patton 3 Alexander Nevsky 4 The Blue Max 5 Shaka Zulu 6 The Last Emperor 7 The Last Valley 8 They Were Expendable 9 Go Tell the Spartans 10 Bitter Moon(you guys forgot about the war between the sexes, longest one in the history of the world)
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Post by: grandpa_chum on May 17, 2007, 04:30:22 PM
I posted my top 15 a long time ago, so i'll just repost these 3 unjustly overlooked war movies that EVERYONE who like war movies MUST SEE immediately!
dogs of war, cross of iron, and hell is for heroes... right now all 3 of those would be in my top 5 or 6, they are unbelievably amazing.
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Post by: Sundance on May 17, 2007, 06:17:23 PM
I wonder if any of you have seen this (and yes, I have)?

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51QQXYB19WL._SS500_.jpg
http://akas.imdb.com/title/tt0098437/ (nice rating ;) )

Might be worth checking out for war movie fans. ;) Unfortunately the US DVD is missing over an hour compared to the Finnish theatrical and DVD releases. The Finnish DVD has English subtitles though.

There is also a TV series version which is even one hour longer than the Finnish DVD, but as far as I know it isn't available for purchase anywhere.
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Post by: Senza on March 18, 2013, 03:12:14 AM
- The Three Kings (1999)
- The Battle Of Algiers (1966)
- Schindler's List (1993)
- Behind Enemy Lines (2001)
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Post by: drinkanddestroy on March 18, 2013, 08:49:30 AM
The Deer Hunter
Saving Private Ryan
The Battle of Algiers
The Patriot
DYS & GBU if those count
I'm sure Sergio Leone's Leningrad if it would have been made
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Post by: stanton on March 18, 2013, 01:27:46 PM
Apocalypse Now
Come and See
The Thin Red Line
Inglorious Basterds
Ivan's Childhood
Born on the 4th of July
The End of St. Petersburg
The Deer Hunter
Cross of Iron
Kanal
Uomini contro ...
The Shadow Army
Paths of Glory