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Title: the arch
Post by: franksgrandson on May 09, 2007, 04:05:13 PM
Hi everyone have been away a while and the best of it was last week went to Monument Valley and visited the old arch, got the old blood boiling with the CD on and everything.
For them thats been the broken bottles are still all over the place but when we left I was chatting to a redskin on a stall at the turn off and he says that its sure a busy place to be as loads of people go their.
A thought has come to me, should we not at this site get together a fund or somthing to have the dam thing re built and a plackard placed their, it would not cost that much and I am sure the right approach to the locals would ease the way, now that would be a fitting tribute to Leone in  America.
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: Kurug3n on May 09, 2007, 09:07:34 PM
Hi everyone have been away a while and the best of it was last week went to Monument Valley and visited the old arch, got the old blood boiling with the CD on and everything.
For them thats been the broken bottles are still all over the place but when we left I was chatting to a redskin on a stall at the turn off and he says that its sure a busy place to be as loads of people go their.
A thought has come to me, should we not at this site get together a fund or somthing to have the dam thing re built and a plackard placed their, it would not cost that much and I am sure the right approach to the locals would ease the way, now that would be a fitting tribute to Leone in  America.


That is single handedly the greatest idea that i have read on this forum
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: Cusser on May 10, 2007, 11:39:47 AM
I suggested this a while ago as I live in Arizona and have been to the Arch, but (1) I don't know anything about masonry work (I've done tile) and (2) I have no idea what red tape would be involved (or if it'd even be possible) since it's on Reservation land.  But I'd bet things would go smoother if the term "redskin" was not used.....and my wife was not overly enthused about the idea....we'd have to stay at Gouldings or Mexican Hat....
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: franksgrandson on May 10, 2007, 03:19:46 PM
Hey Cusser
The thing about the redskins, think back to the movie off loading the train (come you redskin worriors)
I tend to use a lot of teminology from the movie when I talk on this site very tongue in cheek.
No offence was ment to the Navajo.
I was not really thinking about us building the arch again a proffessional stonemason would be got for that as we would want a job that lasts.
Just think how grand it would be we could also have an opening night with the movie on big screen or somthing.
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: dave jenkins on May 10, 2007, 05:25:27 PM
This is a good idea.  O0 I guess the first thing to do is find out who would be responsible for okaying such a project and then make an approach. A show of support from Paramount might help too.
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: franksgrandson on May 10, 2007, 05:58:32 PM
Where do we start that is the question, I know from last weeks visit that the drink makers Red Bull were doing their thing with aircraft and were having a runway built on Gouldings land and that another Navajo I was talking to said that the president of the tribe had got lots of crispy notes from the firm to be able to stage the event on the reservation land.
So maybe having a chat with the Navajo leadership would be a good start also contact Paramount laying out the idea and getting a quote from a local stonemason so we know what costs are involved and we can all chip in our bit do fundraisers ect.
Lets get more members on to this and get a think tank working to see this one through, for this forum to be able to restore the Arch and have a dedicated plack would be a lasting achievement not only for Leone and the greatest movie of all time but a fitting monument to all of us on this forum who come from all walks of life and opinions,race ect.
Man can work together for a common cause and hey what a party we could have on the opening night although we would put our bottles in the trash cans..
It would also be cool to have the hanging scene re-enacted on the night with like Peter Fonda and others. (jack daniels talking) oops
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: T.H. on May 11, 2007, 10:16:09 PM
franksgrandson, if you rebuild the arch, you will become a heroic figure. Great idea.
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: cigar joe on May 12, 2007, 05:56:07 AM
a nice Idea, but I don't think you'd need a stone mason I think it was supposed to be made out of adobe bricks
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: Tuco the ugly on May 12, 2007, 06:12:27 AM
You can always ask Arch Stanton for help.
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: Groggy on May 12, 2007, 04:22:53 PM
You can always ask Arch Stanton for help.

Are you sure?  ;D
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: The Firecracker on May 13, 2007, 12:25:58 PM

Just think how grand it would be we could also have an opening night with the movie on big screen or somthing.



Not sure if that would be possible at all but re-building it seems probable.
Talk to whoever can give you the okay for such a project and we can provide the cash. You got my 20 bucks O0
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: marmota-b on May 13, 2007, 12:34:48 PM
You got my 20 bucks O0

You got my... 20 CZK. :P But it's a great idea.
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on May 13, 2007, 01:47:51 PM
Fine idea! I'm help pay to get that rebuilt!
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: Denys on May 13, 2007, 07:46:16 PM
I think that would be an excellent idea, a great project, I am 100% behind this...only, and only if it could be done EXACTLY the same way it was. If it does not really look the same, then I would prefer to see the remains preserved as is. This is my humble opinion. And speaking about rebuilding the arch, as far as I know, Carlo Simi is still alive, he designed it. Is there any way someone can try to find him or contact him, who knows, maybe he still have the plans or something. That could be greatful, I don't know. 
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: Man with no dame on May 13, 2007, 07:55:27 PM
Asking Paramount for help would be a bad idea, as this was not initially a big moneymaker for the studio. It also recieved almost universal bad reviews in U.S. Thank God time has proved them wrong.
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: Tuco the ugly on May 14, 2007, 06:32:17 AM
I think that would be an excellent idea, a great project, I am 100% behind this...only, and only if it could be done EXACTLY the same way it was. If it does not really look the same, then I would prefer to see the remains preserved as is. This is my humble opinion. And speaking about rebuilding the arch, as far as I know, Carlo Simi is still alive,  he designed it. Is there any way someone can try to find him or contact him, who knows, maybe he still have the plans or something. That could be greatful, I don't know. 


From what year are you contacting us?From '99? ;D
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: Denys on May 14, 2007, 08:01:43 AM
No need to be arrogant because I don't post often, Tuco. You may be an extraordinary member but I am there since 2003 and I am one of the biggest Leone fan. I was just trying to help about that project and I simply didn't know he passed away, that's all. That is also one of the reason I don't post often, people are often sarcastic and make other feel like dumb people, not specifically here, but on many forums. And you know what is a discussion forum? It's supposed to be a place where people SHARE A PASSION and information. You gave me an info but the way you did it is unacceptable. You have to treat people the same way as if they were in front of you and I hope you're not like this in real life!
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: The Firecracker on May 14, 2007, 01:55:27 PM
Asking Paramount for help would be a bad idea, as this was not initially a big moneymaker for the studio. It also recieved almost universal bad reviews in U.S. Thank God time has proved them wrong.


Yeah but the fabulous dvd we got about 5 years ago still shows they care about this film.
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: Man with no dame on May 14, 2007, 02:12:26 PM
Oh, no doubt they care, Firecracker, but enough to re-invest money in what their bean counters would consider a cult movie? I don't know. They usually go for something they can re-market with tie ins, like Wizard of Oz or GWTW. I don't see them putting Jason Robards dolls on the shelf at Toys'rus.
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: iceman on May 14, 2007, 03:33:27 PM
ANYONE FIND IT ON GOOGLE EARTH??

ICE
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: dave jenkins on May 14, 2007, 04:31:05 PM
Oh, no doubt they care, Firecracker, but enough to re-invest money in what their bean counters would consider a cult movie? I don't know. They usually go for something they can re-market with tie ins, like Wizard of Oz or GWTW. I don't see them putting Jason Robards dolls on the shelf at Toys'rus.
Who said anything about asking them for money? I was talking about getting a letter saying the studio was down with the idea to show to the property owners. That way when we show up with bricks and mortar we won't look like just a bunch of fan boy jerks and no one will put in a panic call to 911.
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: Man with no dame on May 14, 2007, 04:44:59 PM
If thats all you want is a letter, I'm sure they'd give that up, but bricks and mortar cost mucho dinero.
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: dave jenkins on May 14, 2007, 05:22:06 PM
Which members on this board have already promised to pay toward. Which is good, cause it's the only way the thing will ever happen.
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: franksgrandson on May 15, 2007, 08:39:00 AM
Hi Guys
Have been searching for a mail address for the Navajo nation the ones I can find do not seem to work, can some of you do some hunting for me then I can get the opening letter off.
Work is really got me on the ball and chain at present but this proposal will go ahead, I am also looking for Stonemasons or good brickwork builders in the area to get a quote from so mail addresses on these would be good, it would be nice to see what bucks this would cost.
I agree the rebuild needs to be as good as possible and as near as can be done to the original.
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 15, 2007, 03:07:14 PM
I don't see them putting Jason Robards dolls on the shelf at Toys'rus.


 ;D


kid in commercial: "Mommy! Mommy! You have to buy me the Jason Robards doll before it's sold out!!!"

Title: Re: the arch
Post by: Silenzio on May 15, 2007, 03:12:09 PM

 ;D


kid in commercial: "Mommy! Mommy! You have to buy me the Jason Robards doll before it's sold out!!!"



Or you can pay extra for the talking version, with all the catch phrases like...

"Judas was content with 4,970 dollars less."

And

"He not only plays, he can shoot too."
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 15, 2007, 03:14:54 PM
Or you can pay extra for the talking version, with all the catch phrases like...

"Judas was content with 4,970 dollars less."

And

"He not only plays, he can shoot too."


You forgot: "Play Harmonica! Play so you can't bullshit!"
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: Silenzio on May 15, 2007, 03:16:23 PM
With my signature, I thought it was a given.
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: cigar joe on May 15, 2007, 04:10:05 PM
Quote
Have been searching for a mail address for the Navajo nation the ones I can find do not seem to work, can some of you do some hunting for me then I can get the opening letter off.
Work is really got me on the ball and chain at present but this proposal will go ahead, I am also looking for Stonemasons or good brickwork builders in the area to get a quote from so mail addresses on these would be good, it would be nice to see what bucks this would cost.
I agree the rebuild needs to be as good as possible and as near as can be done to the original.

PM Cusser he lives in Arizona and can help with that
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: marmota-b on May 16, 2007, 01:01:30 PM
You forgot: "Play Harmonica! Play so you can't bullshit!"

And "Did you make coffee?" (I like this one for a reason mysterious even to me...)
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on May 16, 2007, 04:51:42 PM
And "Did you make coffee?" (I like this one for a reason mysterious even to me...)

I'm with you marmota! The "Did you make coffee" line is one of my favorites in the movie. Robards acting while saying that line is perfect! I also love it toward the end when Jill responds with "This time I did". Brilliant!
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: Silenzio on May 16, 2007, 07:08:01 PM
I'm with you marmota! The "Did you make coffee" line is one of my favorites in the movie. Robards acting while saying that line is perfect! I also love it toward the end when Jill responds with "This time I did". Brilliant!

I prefer Robards saying "Could you make good coffee at least," after Jill's speech.
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: Man with no dame on May 17, 2007, 04:40:02 AM
Alright, enough of the talking Robards doll!!! Thought of idea to raise money. Don't know if this happens to anyone else, but every time I watch an SW, I get the incredible urge for a bowl of chili. I usually end up making a big pot of it. Gave me an idea, an official Sergio Leone SW cookbook. Members can post their favorite trail recipes, and have a panel test them before inclusion. Might be a great way to drum up money for projects and this site. Anyone interested? ^-^
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on May 17, 2007, 08:31:54 AM
I'll never stop talking about Robards Man! Sorry my friend.  O0
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: Man with no dame on May 17, 2007, 10:20:55 AM
I'll never stop talking about Robards Man! Sorry my friend.  O0
Yea, Sam Robards is a pretty good actor ;D. Seriously, I was talking about the Robards dolls! Ever see Jason Robards Sr. in anything?
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: noodles_leone on July 24, 2007, 05:44:58 AM
Asking Paramount for help would be a bad idea, as this was not initially a big moneymaker for the studio. It also recieved almost universal bad reviews in U.S. Thank God time has proved them wrong.

Actualy I don't have the figures but OUATITW was a HUGE HUGE HUGE moneymaker for the studio, most likely their best performance in a few years. it failed in the USA, but was in the top 10 box office success in most european countries (and it still is in France and in Germany, as far as i know).
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: The Firecracker on October 28, 2007, 04:58:15 AM
Thought of idea to raise money.

His idea was stupid, but his heart was in the right place.

I do think we should try to talk to a park commissioner, or somebody in charge of Monument Valley, so we can try to get the ball rolling with rebuilding the arc.

Good idea? Yes? No?

Title: Re: the arch
Post by: marmota-b on October 28, 2007, 05:09:41 AM
Good idea? Yes? No?

Yes. If only I could do more than just observe from a distance...
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: geoman-1 on October 28, 2007, 09:16:11 AM
I think it is  a brilliant idea, as long as they rebuild it true to it's original specs. O0

Title: Re: the arch
Post by: cigar joe on October 29, 2007, 06:29:15 AM
It may be on reservation or private or BLM leased land, Cusser would know, or would be in the best position to find out.
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: Groggy on November 06, 2007, 02:51:45 PM
And "Did you make coffee?" (I like this one for a reason mysterious even to me...)

That's a weird line to like, but I guess I could understand why one would... I like my fair share of strange lines from movies.  :D
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: geoman-1 on November 06, 2007, 03:42:58 PM
Those lines are so eloquently simple, yet so memorable.
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: Cusser on November 07, 2007, 09:45:24 AM
I'll try to find out who actually owns the land.  There were no signs there, and no barriers, nothing that said "stay out".  There's lots of land out here that is Indian Reservations, not fenced off or anything.  I have to travel today (I don't like to fly) so maybe next week.....
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: marmota-b on November 07, 2007, 12:22:03 PM
That's a weird line to like, but I guess I could understand why one would... I like my fair share of strange lines from movies.  :D

Well, as TucumcariBound wrote, it isn't only the line itself, but mainly the way it's delivered.
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: Franks Harmonica on November 07, 2007, 01:33:35 PM
You should contact the Gouldings Lodge ... surely they know someone whom you could contact.
It would be nice to get Alex Cox or some other "name" to cause some buzzzz
Title: Re: the arch
Post by: O'Cangaceiro on October 06, 2010, 10:53:31 AM
I'll try to find out who actually owns the land.  There were no signs there, and no barriers, nothing that said "stay out".  There's lots of land out here that is Indian Reservations, not fenced off or anything.  I have to travel today (I don't like to fly) so maybe next week.....

Hi guys,

I am currently vacationing in the 4 Corners area and actually visited what’s left of the arch a few days ago (thank you Cusser for the directions on how to arrive to the arch !!! O0).  I took many pictures and some videos. I will post the pictures on a different thread. Posting the video will take longer, as I will have to edit it.

Going back to the original question, the arch is located about 7 miles SW of Mexican Hat, and that is Navajo Nation land. There is a good chance that the arch location is Tribal Trust Land. So assuming that the Navajo Nation owns that land, a good starting point would be contacting them with the relevant questions. Here is their main website.

http://www.navajo.org/