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Title: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: Banjo on May 26, 2007, 12:56:51 PM
Arizona Colts  review:-

GOD FORGIVES, I DONíT- 1967-Guiseppi Colliziís first western was a huge hit in Italy and starred Terence Hill and Bud Spencer together for the first time playing it straight save for a couple of scenes. Here, they lay the blueprint for the TRINITY films and their numerous numbskull comedies to follow. Frank Wolff is noteworthy as the maniacal Bill San Antonio. Quite a bit of violence and shortly thereafter, Hill would forsake violent movies forever focusing his career doing family friendly movies. Unlike Spencer however, Hill could carry a movie on his own. Followed by two lesser sequels.


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: Arizona Colt on May 26, 2007, 03:16:05 PM
This just got a region 1 release but its legitimacy is in question.

http://xploitedcinema.com/catalog/forgives-dont-p-11861.html

fullscreen? forget it.


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: Arizona Colt on July 06, 2007, 04:15:30 PM
FINALLY..........

http://xploitedcinema.com/catalog/forgives-dont-16x9-region-release-p-12226.html


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 06, 2007, 04:53:44 PM
This is being screened on encore westerns tonight.

Full screen.

Don't know the exact time.

Sometime between 7 pm and 9 pm for sure.


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: Arizona Colt on July 06, 2007, 05:01:57 PM
Well I've just ordered this from xploited so I'll wait for the (FINALLY) widescreen one. That's great it's on US television though.


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 06, 2007, 05:06:56 PM
FINALLY..........

http://xploitedcinema.com/catalog/forgives-dont-16x9-region-release-p-12226.html


Just ordered it.


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 12, 2007, 07:54:01 PM
This was damn good.

I think this is Frank Wolff's best spaghetti role as the talkative villain.

Had the two other "Cat Stevens" entries been as good as this one, I wouldn't be the only one to consider Giuseppe Colizzi one of the top directors of the genre.

This trilogy is also one of the few of the genre with actual continuity.
In the beginning of ACE HIGH (the sequel to this film) their is a mention of the deceased villain from the first movie and the money aquired from GFID is put into a bank. Making Hill and Spencer the same characters.

I would very much like to see the cut "comedy version" of GOD FORGIVES...I DON'T.
As I can't see how this was made into a comedy.


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: Tuco the ugly on July 13, 2007, 12:32:29 AM
I bought a broken CD a couple of days ago... :'(


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 13, 2007, 01:29:36 AM
I bought a broken CD a couple of days ago... :'(


can't you get your money back?


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: Tuco the ugly on July 13, 2007, 07:59:42 AM

can't you get your money back?
I probably can,but it's not about the money...


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: Sonny on July 31, 2007, 12:51:11 PM
God Forgives, I Don't - 5/5

I tried, but I couldn't find anything wrong with it..  :)

Great dialog, good budget, great acting, awesome ending, nice plot.


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: Sonny on July 31, 2007, 12:54:17 PM

Forgot to mention.. GREAT cinematography..


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on September 25, 2007, 06:26:24 PM
Well I watched this up until it froze & blue screened my computer (just after they find the gold)  :'(.

I agree with everyones assessment, its pretty good, I enjoyed the cinematography which was great. Frank Wolff is a tad too talkative but you can let it slide for the most part.


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on September 25, 2007, 11:18:05 PM

I agree with everyones assessment

Well their's a first.

Sorry Joe. Is their anyway you can get a region free dvd player?
That's seems to be the only way you can watch it properly (Silenzio and Banjo didn't have a problem with their copies).


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: mike siegel on September 26, 2007, 03:07:32 AM
I wave the flag for poor Colizzi for decades (he made only 5 films before he died at the age of 53, as I recall..).
Even the Italians do not rate him high, partly because he was overshadowed by the succuss of the Barboni films I presume.

His visual style was special, content-wise he had great ideas to make westerns a bit differently than the others.
It was him who urged Carlo Pedersoli to act in DIO PERDONA, IO NO - he couldn't find a 2nd lead that big & heavy and still capable of doing the action scenes (Carlo was an ex-athlete, the unbeaten Italian swimchampion and an idol in the 50's before he became a song composer, publicist and TV-producer. His father-in-law was Giuseppe Amato, producer of some of the greatest films ever produced in Italy, LA DOLCE VITA & LADRI DI BICICLETTE among others).

I can't agree that the sequels were less good. On the contrary, his style developped and he became more secure directing - after all DIO PERDONA was his debut film as director. I QUATTRO DELL'AVE MARIA appears to be a bit long on DVD these days. That's partly because of the missing silverscreen. I saw it a couple of times in the cinema, it belongs there and suffers the most of his films when not seen in a theatre. BOOT HILL is a cult film. Not a strong cult that follows it, but over the years I met people who got the fact that it is one of the most unusual entries of the genre. With that purely visual first 20 minutes, almost no dialogue at all, Rusticchelli's jazzy experimental score. A lot of great things attached to it. But surely not for general taste. Colizzi is not so much interested in stories (except for maybe the first one, which is why that one is easier to like), he cares more for scenes, like Hawks' in HATARI! or RIO BRAVO.

(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1612/7186524/17740665/280239944.jpg)


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: Banjo on October 09, 2007, 05:54:14 AM
I finally managed to see that decent print of GOD FORGIVES I DON'T and  its a definite improvement.

However any pacing problems  in ACE HIGH are nothing compared to the overall slowness of Colizzi's first film.Its  the much grittier and more violent western and the opening scenes and shoot out finale is the best i've seen from Colizzi.But almost everything else in between whether its Spencer manfully struggling with a casket on his back,extended card games or torture scenes,its all way too much too drawn out ,in some cases to ludicrous proportions.Also as much as i enjoyed Frank Wolff as the gabber mouthed San Antonio evens his ramblings well outstay their welcome in places.

Both myself and the missus feel that ACE HIGH is easily the better movie.It has a much greater scope all round and most tellingly the humour(Wallach pretty much makes this essential)  and i'm sure that Enzo Barboni (director of the Trinity movies)would've seen the comedic potential of Hill and Spencer from this movie rather than its predecessor.

Having quibbled about the slightly boring feel of GOD FORGIVES I DON'T i still enjoyed it but would only really recommend it to Bud 'n' Terence fans because without them i wouldn't enjoy it nearly half as much.

My rating for GOD FORGIVES I DON'T 6 out of 10.  O0
           
                         and  for ACE HIGH  8 out of 10.  O0 O0


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on November 21, 2007, 08:17:29 PM
Finally managed to see this through to the end, it stayed entertaining enough, some nice different scenic shots, the voice actors for the dubbing weren't great but it was ok, though it a bit better than Ace High.


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: Arizona Colt on November 21, 2007, 10:27:30 PM
Finally managed to see this through to the end, it stayed entertaining enough, some nice different scenic shots, the voice actors for the dubbing weren't great but it was ok, though it a bit better than Ace High.

In total agreement here. I thought it was also better than ACE HIGH. Easily the best of the three, IMO.


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: marmota-b on January 04, 2008, 03:38:56 AM
I'm reposting my "review" from Rate The Last Movie You Saw:

God Forgives... I Don't - 4.5/5

The half point down is mainly for the unineteresting, even confusing main theme... I really don't know why they chose such music as main theme. It completely destroys the feel.

Apart from that it was really great. :) I wouldn't rebuke anything. Sometimes it was a bit "unreal", but that belongs to SW's. People who like gunfights might find it a bit boring, but it had a good plot, long flashbacks and everything. And though in the course of the film there were moments when I though the plot got knotted and made no sense, later on it was always unravelled and made perfect sense. Great!
Terence Hill made a perfect gunman in the Clint Eastwood/Franco Nero style, there were moments where I thought he looked and behaved exactly like Nero's Django - but his character also had his own personality.

(I read some comments on CSFD and it seems some people think otherwise. Nonetheless, I liked it. Except for the music!!! :P)


I'm adding that I have a widescreen version. Italian and Czech dub; I watched it in Italian because ever since I saw FOD's Czech dub I've been preferring subtitled films. ::)


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on January 04, 2008, 02:39:06 PM


(I read some comments on CSFD and it seems some people think otherwise. Nonetheless, I liked it. Except for the music!!! :P)





Yeah it seems to split people's opinions down the middle.
To me it's the best of Colizzi's so-so trilogy and one of the best in the entire genre.


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: Tuco the ugly on January 04, 2008, 02:41:51 PM
Quote
Terence Hill made a perfect gunman in the Clint Eastwood/Franco Nero style, there were moments where I thought he looked and behaved exactly like Nero's Django - but his character also had his own personality.

Funny thing:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062151/


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: marmota-b on January 05, 2008, 03:42:35 AM
Funny thing:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062151/

Yes, I've already heard about that one...

Yeah it seems to split people's opinions down the middle.

It seems to me most of the people complaining about it were expecting something else, probably because of the Hill/Spencer duo. Because I already knew it was nothing of that kind, there was nothing to disappoint me.
Some people were also complaining about "overlong poker and riding-through-a-landscape scenes". I, personally, really enjoyed those.

And I liked how the well really came to an use. When I saw the well there, I thought how stupid it would be if it was there only as a decoration. But it wasn't. :)


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: mike siegel on January 05, 2008, 03:54:43 AM
As for VIVA DJANGO, Hill was cast because Baldi couldn't get Nero a second time (after TEXAS ADDIO, a year earlier)
and he thought that Hill, who was a cast member in an earlier Baldi - film, looked a lot like Nero. He dressed him in Neros wardrobe and the producers were convinced to go with Hill.

Around the same time he got the part for GOD FORGIVES...


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: moviesceleton on March 12, 2008, 06:06:17 AM
Finally I can add this one to the short list of SWs I've seen (thanks to CJ and FC).

It was entertaining, eventhough the plot had a few holes. I enjoyed the (very gay) villain very much but his scenes seemed to drag on too long. I pretty much agree with Banjo about the pacing problems. The score wasn't annoying at first but towards the end it turned out to be; pretty good still.

I'll give this 6/10.


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: marmota-b on March 12, 2008, 11:16:28 AM
eventhough the plot had a few holes

I didn't see them. :-\


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: moviesceleton on March 12, 2008, 11:23:02 AM
I didn't see them. :-\
It's a hole. You can't see 'em. That's why they call them holes.

A crappy joke.

Maybe not exactly holes but implausibilities. Like, they think a dead man is alive because of the way a train was robbed ::)


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: Tuco the ugly on March 12, 2008, 12:57:15 PM
It's a Hill-Spencer flick after all, MS. What were you expecting?


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on March 12, 2008, 06:40:09 PM
Maybe not exactly holes but implausibilities. Like, they think a dead man is alive because of the way a train was robbed ::)

No. They know (or at least believe) he's alive because one of the passengers survived the robbery and lived long enough to tell Spencer that it was the "dead man" that did it.


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: moviesceleton on March 13, 2008, 08:04:10 AM
No. They know (or at least believe) he's alive because one of the passengers survived the robbery and lived long enough to tell Spencer that it was the "dead man" that did it.
True. What the fuck was I thinking? I'm turning into a Thomas Weisser :-[


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: marmota-b on March 14, 2008, 12:37:34 AM
It's a hole. You can't see 'em. That's why they call them holes.

A crappy joke.

Not that bad, but it doesn't work that way. ;D You see them because what isn't a hole is all around them, you know? It's like, let's say, you notice the first flower of spring because all around it it is still winter.
Or, like it happened yesterday, you notice it's snowing because a moment ago it wasn't. ::)
End of philosophy.

Anyway, you're right that, without the last survivor happening to be there, this would be a serious matter. ;)


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on February 22, 2010, 09:43:33 PM
Some recent talk on the other Colizzi thread (Ace High) about different dubs.

What's the story on the two different English dubs for God Forgives... I Don't?

My uncut copy has Terence Hill speaking in a high nasally voice whereas the cut (?) pan & scan version on Encore westerns gives Hill's character a much more appropriate baritone voice.

What's the purpose of having two different english dubs in the same movie?

Is this situation anything like the one with A Reason To Live, A Reason To Die?


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: Dust Devil on February 23, 2010, 01:47:18 AM
I suppose they were made for TV.


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: Novecento on February 23, 2010, 02:14:04 AM
Some recent talk on the other Colizzi thread (Ace High) about different dubs.

What's the story on the two different English dubs for God Forgives... I Don't?

My uncut copy has Terence Hill speaking in a high nasally voice whereas the cut (?) pan & scan version on Encore westerns gives Hill's character a much more appropriate baritone voice.

What's the purpose of having two different english dubs in the same movie?

Is this situation anything like the one with A Reason To Live, A Reason To Die?

Interesting. What DVD do you have? I have the Dutch filmworks one which if I remember gives him the lower voice.


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on February 23, 2010, 04:06:27 AM
off topic a bit, but I've always heard that there are two dubs of Volonte for "A Bullet For The General" one where its his Fistful and FAFDM voice dubber and the other is the Anchor Bay R1 dub.


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: Novecento on February 23, 2010, 05:18:55 AM
off topic a bit, but I've always heard that there are two dubs of Volonte for "A Bullet For The General" one where its his Fistful and FAFDM voice dubber and the other is the Anchor Bay R1 dub.

Yes, the German Koch DVD includes both of them. The better one I think is the one not included on the Anchor Bay release. I remember this already being discussed somewhere else - possibly under the Bullet for the General thread.


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on February 24, 2010, 07:12:53 PM
Interesting. What DVD do you have? I have the Dutch filmworks one which if I remember gives him the lower voice.

I have the same dvd.
I'd check it again because he's got a very nasally voice.

Is it possible Dutch Filmworks released different dvds over the years?

Mine has a screencap of A Fistful Of Dollars on the back cover.


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: Novecento on February 26, 2010, 03:20:30 PM
I have the same dvd.
I'd check it again because he's got a very nasally voice.

Is it possible Ditch Filmworks released different dvds over the years?

Mine has a screencap of A Fistful Of Dollars on the back cover.

I had never noticed that FOD screencap before!  ;D ;D

The DVD is actually not a bad print and Dutch Filmworks is a reputable company so that's pretty bad

As for Hill's dubbing, I wouldn't call it particularly high and nasal but I do see what you're getting at. I'm wondering what the other dubbing is like because personally I think the dubbing here is pretty bad. It's a shame really because you can see that Hill is speaking English on set.


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: Novecento on February 26, 2010, 03:35:12 PM
This has got me thinking...

I can now list three Spaghetti Westerns that have two versions of their English audio:

1. A Bullet for the General
2. A Reason to Live, a Reason to Die
3. God Forgives... I Don't

I wonder how many others there are?



Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on March 03, 2010, 07:01:57 PM
I had never noticed that FOD screencap before!  ;D ;D

The DVD is actually not a bad print and Dutch Filmworks is a reputable company so that's pretty bad

As for Hill's dubbing, I wouldn't call it particularly high and nasal but I do see what you're getting at. I'm wondering what the other dubbing is like because personally I think the dubbing here is pretty bad. It's a shame really because you can see that Hill is speaking English on set.


This is the other dub...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtSOjfNmuis&feature=related

Much more baritone without being too deep.

Seems like everybody else has the same voice (Wolff uses his own) from the original dub.
I guess they went back and changed Hill's lousy dub.


Title: Re: Dio perdona... Io no! aka God Forgives... I Don't! (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on March 03, 2010, 07:08:48 PM
2. A Reason to Live, a Reason to Die

The above had a reason for having two dubs. Coburn only did a dub for the cut North American version.
They got Michael Forest (who is mostly known for dubbing Maurizio Merli in dozens of films) to do Coburn's voice for the uncut international English dub.

What's the excuse for the other two titles?