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Title: Could a worse DVD cut-off point be made?
Post by: PowerRR on June 03, 2007, 08:52:26 PM
Seriously, the cut-off for DVD switching is ridiculous.

Noodles is chasing down some guy. A very intense scene. Blood pumping. Noodles fires a shot.........



SWITCH DISKS. NOW.



*Switches disks*


*Sees someone driving a car*

What teh fawk?
Title: Re: Could a worse DVD cut-off point be made?
Post by: Silenzio on June 03, 2007, 08:57:10 PM
I agree, whoever made this dvd was an obvious n00bsicle.
Title: Re: Could a worse DVD cut-off point be made?
Post by: PowerRR on June 03, 2007, 09:07:30 PM
But I'd still have sex with him.

Goodnight.
Title: Re: Could a worse DVD cut-off point be made?
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on June 03, 2007, 11:54:23 PM
Yeah, this DVD cut always pissed me off. Hopefully we get another DVD release of this and it's fixed.
Title: Re: Could a worse DVD cut-off point be made?
Post by: Groggy on June 04, 2007, 05:13:39 AM
To be fair though, I'm not sure where would have been a better cut-off point. . . the Intermission's about two-thirds of the way through the film, so I can understand the need for conserving DVD space.
Title: Re: Could a worse DVD cut-off point be made?
Post by: dave jenkins on June 04, 2007, 05:18:48 PM
You could only do a better job with current SD technology by issuing the film on 3 discs. Posters on this board would be the first to complain about the waste and added expense.
Title: Re: Could a worse DVD cut-off point be made?
Post by: moviesceleton on June 05, 2007, 06:41:12 AM
I don't understand why they didn't place the disc-change point right before the scene which now is cut half :o. That would have been much more reasonable, IMO.
Title: Re: Could a worse DVD cut-off point be made?
Post by: Groggy on June 06, 2007, 05:06:27 AM
Well, the disc would have ended with Tuesday Weld having an orgasm - might be kind of awkward. ;D

However, I think since a lot of the scenes flow right into one another, it would be hard to find a really good point to stop at.
Title: Re: Could a worse DVD cut-off point be made?
Post by: moviesceleton on June 06, 2007, 05:23:00 AM
Well, the disc would have ended with Tuesday Weld having an orgasm - might be kind of awkward. ;D

They should have cut that scene from the middle, so everyone would change the disc immediately  ^-^ >:D!
Title: Re: Could a worse DVD cut-off point be made?
Post by: Noodles_SlowStir on June 06, 2007, 11:14:30 AM
Well, the disc would have ended with Tuesday Weld having an orgasm - might be kind of awkward. ;D

Groggy, now that would of been interesting. 

Max:          Beautiful.  Look at that.  Okay, better wrap them up.
                 (Checks out Noodles)
                 We're going.  You're coming?

Noodles:   Coming.

INTERMISSION (end of disc 1)

 ;D
Title: Re: Could a worse DVD cut-off point be made?
Post by: dave jenkins on June 07, 2007, 07:50:43 AM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Could a worse DVD cut-off point be made?
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on June 09, 2007, 04:12:55 PM
Do you guys think there will be another release of this someday?
Title: Re: Could a worse DVD cut-off point be made?
Post by: Noodles_SlowStir on June 09, 2007, 04:19:25 PM
Possibly.  I'm thinking if they really follow up on the restoration of some of the deleted scenes that was talked about by his daughter last year.  They may decide to do another DVD and include them as deleted scenes.  Would be nice if they included the full documentary they took excerpts from.   Add another commentary by Frayling or someone that is very knowledgeable on gangster genre or even noirs.  Better yet....commentaries by Frayling and Stuart Kaminsky would be fantastic.
Title: Re: Could a worse DVD cut-off point be made?
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on June 10, 2007, 08:26:32 AM
Possibly.  I'm thinking if they really follow up on the restoration of some of the deleted scenes that was talked about by his daughter last year.  They may decide to do another DVD and include them as deleted scenes.  Would be nice if they included the full documentary they took excerpts from.   Add another commentary by Frayling or someone that is very knowledgeable on gangster genre or even noirs.  Better yet....commentaries by Frayling and Stuart Kaminsky would be fantastic.

That would be fantastic indeed!
Title: Re: Could a worse DVD cut-off point be made?
Post by: moviesceleton on June 10, 2007, 01:46:01 PM
Possibly.  I'm thinking if they really follow up on the restoration of some of the deleted scenes that was talked about by his daughter last year.  They may decide to do another DVD and include them as deleted scenes.  Would be nice if they included the full documentary they took excerpts from.   Add another commentary by Frayling or someone that is very knowledgeable on gangster genre or even noirs.  Better yet....commentaries by Frayling and Stuart Kaminsky would be fantastic.
I think it's highly possible to have the deleted scenes on DVD someday, either separately or added into the film. It would make no sense to restore the scenes and show them only on one festival. I'll be the first one in the line to buy that DVD!
Title: Re: Could a worse DVD cut-off point be made?
Post by: Poggle on June 11, 2007, 07:12:32 PM
They should've cut it after the "I mean dat - be easy on da girl" line.
Title: Re: Could a worse DVD cut-off point be made?
Post by: Kurug3n on July 06, 2007, 10:54:26 PM
the reason it switches at that moment is because its the same part where it switched when it was shown at the Cannes film festival.
Title: Re: Could a worse DVD cut-off point be made?
Post by: moviesceleton on July 07, 2007, 12:59:35 AM
the reason it switches at that moment is because its the same part where it switched when it was shown at the Cannes film festival.
They needed to change it there too? :o So why the intermission isn't there?
Title: Re: Could a worse DVD cut-off point be made?
Post by: mal247 on July 07, 2007, 06:33:53 AM
The statistics of the DVDs I have are:

DVD 2 - 6,854,604,800 bytes

DVD 1 - 6,288,130,048 bytes - approx 1hr 55 (115 mins)

Mathematically there appears to be at least  566,474,752 bytes space available on DVD 1 which equates to a minimum of 10 mins 20 secs.

Whilst it may be stretching things to include on DVD 1 everything up to the intermission (39:22 mins on DVD 2), DVD 1 could easily include going for a swim (2:57 mins).

DVD 2 would then start with Noodles watching TV in Fat Moe's in 1968

 :)
Title: Re: Could a worse DVD cut-off point be made?
Post by: dave jenkins on July 07, 2007, 08:44:19 AM
Robert Harris, the man responsible for the film restorations of Vertigo, My Fair Lady, and Lawrence of Arabia, addressed this issue many moons ago in his column over at the digital bits. This is what he said (http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/robertharris/harris060203.html):

 
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A few notes on the transfer:

The Good...

Both pictorially and sonically, a perfect transfer in the proper aspect ratio with beautifully scaled colors and black level. This is a high bit rate transfer, equivalent to Sony's SuperBit.

The Not So Bad...

One anomaly may disturb some, while I didn't have a real problem with it, considering the alternative...

There was apparently a plan in place to divide the film with the first disc ending with the Intermission and the second picking up thereafter.

Part One is approximately 160 minutes. Had Warner encoded the discs so that 160 minutes was on disc one as planned, it would have necessitated a lowering of the bit rate. Even though printed materials lead one to believe that this is the case, it is incorrect.

Disc One ends at the two hour point, in the middle of a sequence. There is no "painless" break point in this area of the film. Disc Two begins with the end of that sequence, continues an additional forty minutes to the Intermission, and then goes on to Part Two of the film.

Although not what one might wish for in a perfect world, taking into consideration the look and textures which have been accomplished with the transfer and compression, I would have made the same decision rather than to lower quality. I firmly believe that the correct decision has been made.

The Ugly...

Not a thing.

The issue is not merely what the will fit on the disk, but what what will fit and still look good.
Title: Re: Could a worse DVD cut-off point be made?
Post by: mal247 on July 08, 2007, 02:39:03 AM
Thank you Dave for this information - I read that there was approx 2 gigabytes spare space on DVD1.  I would certainly prefer the present split to a DVD with less quality and wherever the split is made, someone will no doubt find criticism.

Adding a further 3 minutes to DVD1 could certainly be achieved with no reduction in quality but the transition between a car driven into the water by Noodles and a burnt out car being soaked by water and foam on TV may be less apparent to the viewer.

 :)
Title: Re: Could a worse DVD cut-off point be made?
Post by: dave jenkins on July 08, 2007, 08:51:16 PM
Adding a further 3 minutes to DVD1 could certainly be achieved with no reduction in quality but the transition between a car driven into the water by Noodles and a burnt out car being soaked by water and foam on TV may be less apparent to the viewer.
That's a really good point. When I saw the film in the cinema in 1985, the lights came up right after the car went in the water (there was no official intermission) and 20 minutes later, after the potty break etc., when things started up again I certainly didn't register the match-cut that was intended. It wasn't until the DVD came out that I noticed it.