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Title: The Bourne Ultimatum (2007)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 01, 2007, 10:58:16 AM
Anybody as excited as me to see this?! I loved the first two. I only imagine it will be the same with this.


Title: Re: The Bourne Ultimatum (2007)
Post by: TheUgly17 on July 01, 2007, 01:23:37 PM
I didn't really like the first one or what I saw of it. So he has no memory and hes trying to get it back or something?


Title: Re: The Bourne Ultimatum (2007)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 01, 2007, 01:27:32 PM
I didn't really like the first one or what I saw of it. So he has no memory and hes trying to get it back or something?

Yup, he has amnesia and is gradually remembering who he is and why he was where in Europe in the first place. We have gradually found out why in the first two films. A big part of the new one will take place back in the states. New York City to be exact.


Title: Re: The Bourne Ultimatum (2007)
Post by: Kurug3n on July 01, 2007, 01:36:58 PM
the first 1 was ok but the second one was just great especially that chase scene at the end with the taxi O0


Title: Re: The Bourne Ultimatum (2007)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 01, 2007, 01:58:39 PM
the first 1 was ok but the second one was just great especially that chase scene at the end with the taxi O0

I hear the chase scene in this new one is going to blow us all away. Rumor has it, it took two weeks to film. I can't wait to see this.


Title: Re: The Bourne Ultimatum (2007)
Post by: BeauButabi on July 01, 2007, 03:38:03 PM
Don't much care for these films. I sorta think of them as the Seinfeld of spy movies; spy movies about nothing. Though to be fair, I guess they went that way to make the audience feel more like Bourne, having no idea what's going on and slowly throughout the three movies getting caught up. But still, the visual style of the series is much too mondern day tv for me, shows like 24 and Alias spring to mind. I'm still waiting for some real old school spy thrillers. I'd love to see a period piece cold war spy movie, maybe even shot in black & white.

I did read the first book and thought it was great (couldn't get into the sequels though). I'll see the final movie when it comes to DVD, cause I am mildly curious if how it all comes together is like how it did in the book (all the back story of the Bourne character was solved by the end of the first book, which may be why I didn't like the sequels, just superfulous shallow thrillers).

I don't mean for this to be a thread-crap. Just discussing. O0


Title: Re: The Bourne Ultimatum (2007)
Post by: Kurug3n on July 01, 2007, 03:43:47 PM
Isnt there a 4th book ???


Title: Re: The Bourne Ultimatum (2007)
Post by: BeauButabi on July 01, 2007, 03:47:11 PM
Isnt there a 4th book ???
Yes, and I belive a 5th book too, but neither written by Ludlum (he died in 2002). Sort of like all those James Bond novels written by John Gardner and Raymond Benson after Fleming died.


Title: Re: The Bourne Ultimatum (2007)
Post by: Kurug3n on July 01, 2007, 03:50:30 PM
okay just wondering O0


Title: Re: The Bourne Ultimatum (2007)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 01, 2007, 03:54:10 PM

I don't mean for this to be a thread-crap. Just discussing. O0

It's alright BeauButabi. Of course it's always a matter of opinion. That's why I started this thread. You don't need to like the Bourne movies to discuss here.  O0


Title: Re: The Bourne Ultimatum (2007)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 01, 2007, 06:21:48 PM
Never saw the first. Never saw the second either due to some of the most embarassingly bad handheld camera uses I have ever witnessed in cinema.
You can't see a damn thing.
When there's a fist fight Bourne throws a punch and then the camera goes topsy turvy for 2 minutes as we watch two blurs on the screen duke it out (or perhaps dancing? I'm not quite sure). When the camera goes back to a semi-stand still we see one body knocked out on the floor.

The same "visual style" is used with the car chases.
The sequel was horrible trite. I expect the second sequel to be just as bad or worse. I'll give it a miss.


Title: Re: The Bourne Ultimatum (2007)
Post by: Sonny on July 01, 2007, 06:41:57 PM
Never saw the first. Never saw the second either due to some of the most embarassingly bad handheld camera uses I have ever witnessed in cinema.
You can't see a damn thing.
When there's a fist fight Bourne throws a punch and then the camera goes topsy turvy for 2 minutes as we watch two blurs on the screen duke it out (or perhaps dancing? I'm not quite sure). When the camera goes back to a semi-stand still we see one body knocked out on the floor.

The same "visual style" is used with the car chases.
The sequel was horrible trite. I expect the second sequel to be just as bad or worse. I'll give it a miss.

The hadnheld camera thing is a preferred style of some directors for 1. either trying to make their audiences dizzy or 2. to attract more attention and action to the already existing action.  Not everyone likes to use trypods for every scene of their film FC   ;)

But i agree, they weren't exactly the best action movies ever.


Title: Re: The Bourne Ultimatum (2007)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 01, 2007, 06:49:37 PM
The hadnheld camera thing is a preferred style of some directors for 1. either trying to make their audiences dizzy or 2. to attract more attention and action to the already existing action. 



Using handheld camera throughout your picture can be a good idea (check out any Sartana by Carnimeo or Castellari's "Keoma") but you have to have some sort of control.
The director of Bourne 2 allows the camera to move around in a way that the audience can't see anything.
Even during a calm dialogue sequence I recall watching the film and thinking if a five year old got ahold of his father's video camera and was allowed to run amock.

Lack of talent and lack of brain cells I say.


Title: Re: The Bourne Ultimatum (2007)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 01, 2007, 06:58:35 PM
I have to highly disagree with some of you. If you loved the new James Bond film than you have The Bourne movies to thank. Clearly they took the realistic approach style of the Bourne films and used it in Bond.

I think these two Bourne films are highly entertaining with great writing. The plot for both films in my opinion were great.

I can see where some of you wouldn't like the hand-held camera style of The Bourne films, especially the second one. I don't mind it though. I think it gives the film a realistic approach. If you were fighting, or driving a car in a high speed chase, crashing into everything, you would get the same look from your point of view for the most part. I think it's cool.


Title: Re: The Bourne Ultimatum (2007)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 01, 2007, 07:03:59 PM
I have to highly disagree with some of you. If you loved the new James Bond film than you have The Bourne movies to thank. Clearly they took the realistic approach style of the Bourne films and used it in Bond.


I remember being able to see Casino Royale.


Title: Re: The Bourne Ultimatum (2007)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 01, 2007, 07:09:57 PM
I remember being able to see Casino Royale.

This is true. The action is a bit clearer. I'm saying Casino Royale was far more realistic than the previous James Bond films with Peirce Brosnan. They got a little to high-tech and futuristic for my taste. I've just read that they took the Jason Bourne realistic approach while filming Casino Royale.


Title: Re: The Bourne Ultimatum (2007)
Post by: Kurug3n on July 01, 2007, 07:28:56 PM
I have to highly disagree with some of you. If you loved the new James Bond film than you have The Bourne movies to thank. Clearly they took the realistic approach style of the Bourne films and used it in Bond.

I think these two Bourne films are highly entertaining with great writing. The plot for both films in my opinion were great.

I can see where some of you wouldn't like the hand-held camera style of The Bourne films, especially the second one. I don't mind it though. I think it gives the film a realistic approach. If you were fighting, or driving a car in a high speed chase, crashing into everything, you would get the same look from your point of view for the most part. I think it's cool.

Agree 100% O0

I've just read that they took the Jason Bourne realistic approach while filming Casino Royale.

Or possibly that they saw Die Another Day and said,"Ok that was a little TOO much"


Title: Re: The Bourne Ultimatum (2007)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 01, 2007, 07:39:32 PM
Agree 100% O0

Or possibly that they saw Die Another Day and said,"Ok that was a little TOO much"

Yes, Die Another Day went way over board! I'm so happy how Casino Royal turned out.