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Title: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 02, 2007, 10:31:51 PM
The ABC TV Prologue to AFOD. In order to broadcast AFOD on U.S. TV, the American Broadcasting Corporation commisioned a new prologue for the movie. Its purpose was to provide the amoral main character with a moral purpose for his visit to San Miguel. Shot by Monte Hellman (Two Lane Blacktop), it featured Harry Dean Stanton as a government official who charges the hero with the task of cleaning up the town. Clint Eastwood was doubled by a noticably shorter (and non-speaking) actor who, beneath hat and poncho, kept his face hid (shades of Ed Wood!). The same close-up of Eastwood's eyes, taken from the movie proper, are inserted twice to help sell the idea he is in the scene. Sergio Leone had nothing to do with this introduction, which was used only for the film's American broadcast premier on August 29, 1977 (but is now available as an extra on DVD versions of the film).

Abrolat, Werner. Slim, a member of Indio’s gang, in FAFDM (uncredited).

Age-Scarpelli (Agenore Incrocci and Furio Scarpelli). Famous writing team for Italian film comedies commissioned by SL to do an early script of GBU. Little or nothing of their work survives in the finished film.

Agua Caliente (lit. "Hot Water"). The town of white stucco buildings in FAFDM where Indio’s gang hides out after the El Paso bank job, played by Los Albaricoques. The name was probably derived from the town of similar name in The Last Sunset (1961).

Aiello, Danny. Police Chief Aiello in OUATIA. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000732/

Alabiso, Eugenio (b. 1937). Co-editor on GBU (with Nino Baragli). Alabiso worked in Madrid preparing dailies while filming was being done on Spanish locations . During post production in Rome, Baragli was brought in to meet the Christmas deadline (Hanley 209). Alabiso appears in the documentary Sad Hill Unearthed (2017).

Alamogordo Jail. In FAFDM, jail from whence Monco helps Sancho Perez escape, thus enabling Monco to join Indio's gang. The exterior was filmed in Cortijo de los Genoveses.

Aldrich, Robert. Seminal American director who made Vera Cruz, the prototype for many SWs, including FAFDM. In 1961 he directed Sodom and Gomorrah at Cinecita, where SL worked as his second-unit director. SL, in spite of having achieved full director’s status, took the job because of his respect for Aldrich, but found the experience disappointing.

Alessandroni, Alessandro (1925 - 2017). Guitarist and whistler, best known for his performances on Morricone soundtracks for SL’s Westerns.

Almeria, Spain. Area where many of the exteriors (and a few interiors) in Leone's Westerns were filmed. A good list is found here: http://www.tucotours.co.uk/locationstable.htm

Almeria station. Location for the Mesa Verde train station in DYS.

Alonso, Chelo (b. 1933). Stevens’ wife in GBU (uncredited). Dancer and actress, originally from Cuba, who appeared in Italian peplum films and SWs. Prominent in Run, Man, Run. She has a webpage dedicated to her here: http://www.cultsirens.com/alonso/alonso.htm (hat tip: CJ).

The Alphonse Dub of Fur Eine Handvoll Dollar. The second German dubbing of FOD, made for the film's re-release in 1970s using a jokier--but in fact unfunny--translation. (In this version, Eastwood's mule has the name Alphonse). Purists prefer the original German dub, which is the one currently available on German DVDs.

“Amapola”
(Joseph M. LaCalle). Morricone incorporated this 1924 standard into the score of OUATIA. It is the song that plays while the young Deborah practices her ballet, and thereafter is used as counterpoint in “Deborah’s Song.”

Andersonville Camp, Georgia. Referred to by name in GBU, a Confederate POW camp notorious for its ill treatment of Union  prisoners. Betterville, the fictional Union POW camp in GBU, was partly based on it.

Angel Eyes/Sentenza
(Lee Van Cleef). A ruthless pistolero in GBU who tortures and kills to find a cashbox holding 200,000 dollars in Confederate gold coins. Although identified as “the Bad,” he actually only kills 3 people in the film (contrast that with Eastwood’s “the Good” who kills nine in the original cut of the film, ten in the 2003 restoration). Fans who insist Eastwood plays a continuing character in all three Dollars pictures almost never feel the need to explain why Angel Eyes is the spitting image of Col. Mortimer in FAFDM. The two, both played by Van Cleef, are of course different characters: Angel Eyes is ruthless where Mortimer is merely stern; Angel Eyes dies at the end of GBU, years before the events in FAFDM. Still, how to account for two characters in a linked narrative who look exactly the same?  Might not Angel Eyes have been Col. Mortimer’s evil twin?

Arch Stanton's grave. The putative hiding place for the gold in GBU. Interestingly, the skeleton revealed there is female.

Arco, Freddy. Jesus, Marisol’s annoying child, in FoD.

Argento, Dario. Film director who is credited with contributing to the story on which the OUATITW screenplay was based.
Quote
I started work on the screenplay at home, with Bernardo Bertolucci. We began with nothing except an idea of Sergio's: he wanted to have a woman as lead for the first time. I would write on my own, then Bernardo would write on his own, then we would write together. Once a week Sergio would come to see how we were getting on, and offer his thoughts. He was incredible at generating ideas. He made me realize the director should always be involved in some way with the screenwriting.

Bernardo and I studied many films over three or four months. The one with female leads, like Johnny Guitar, were important. But we were not working on a script: it was a treatment. It was very long, very free, full of ideas, dreams and descriptions. It was full of fantasies. And then Sergio and Sergio Donati turned our work into a screenplay.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2009/may/14/sergio-leone-dario-argento

Arlanza monastery, near Burgos. GBU location for the hospital interior of Brother Ramirez’s Franciscan friary.

Arlanza River (Rio Arlanza). The body of water Tuco and Blondie have to cross to get to Sad Hill Cemetery.

Arlecchino Cinema, Rome. Cinema where SL saw Yojimbo in late 1963.

Armstrong, R.G. Honest John in My Name is Nobody. American character actor who appeared in a number of films by Sam Peckinpah. It is undoubtedly his association with Peckinpah that made him desirable casting for MNIN.

“As a Judgement”/”Come una sentenza” (Ennio Morricone). Cue in OUATITW associated with both Frank and Harmonica. It plays first during the massacre of the McBain family.

Azucareza San Torcuato, Gaudix, Spain. Disused sugar factory used for the sequence in DYS/Giu la Testa where firing squads execute victims in long concrete trenches.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 02, 2007, 10:32:57 PM
Bacci, Silvana. Actress from the deleted Socorro sequence in GBU. She did a bed scene with Clint Eastwood, but all that survives of it are production stills (taken, perhaps, by Angelo Novi?). She had parts in other SWs, including Texas, addio and Django.

The Bad, the Ugly. In GBU, Tuco is identified as the Ugly, Angel Eyes as the Bad. However, UA inadvertently switched designations on the film’s 1967 American trailer, causing confusion to this day.

Baldassarre, Raf. Frequently misidentified as Juan De Dios in AFOD, his true role in that film remains a mystery.

Baragli, Nino (1925 - 2013). Editor on all SL films beginning with GBU. On GBU he shared duties with Eugenio Alabiso.

Barboni, Enzo.

Barboo, Luis. Baxter gunman in AFOD (uncredited).

Bateria San Ramon
. Location for the Confederate Fort Scene.

Bartha, John
. Sheriff in GBU who pays Blondie the first bounty on Tuco.

Baudrillard, Jean. French philosopher. Reportedly applied “first post-modernist director” label to SL (for OUATITW). (Frayling p. 492).

Baxter family in FoD. The enemies of the Rojos.

Beauregard, Jack (Henry Fonda). Aging gunfighter trying to retire and sail to Europe who keeps being deflected in his purpose by Nobody in MNIN.

Benvenuti, Leonardo (Leo) and Piero De Bernardi. Scriptwriting team hired by SL to do an early treatment of OUATIA.

Bertolucci, Bernardo. Filmmaker who contributed to the script of OUATITW.

Betrayal. A constant theme in SL’s work. GBU plays it for comedy, DYS treats the matter seriously, OUATIA makes the theme its central concern.

Betterville. A fictional Union POW camp Blondie and Tuco are taken to in GBU, modeled partly on Andersonville, the notorious Confederate POW camp. (The musicians who play during the torture scene, however, may have been inspired by the use of imprisoned Jewish musicians in Nazi concentration camps.) By the time Blondie and Tuco arrive, Angel Eyes is the camp’s ranking non-com and the de facto commandant, in spite of the fact that elsewhere in the film he is clearly a civilian. The film does not explain this, but it is popularly supposed that Angel Eyes is impersonating an actual sergeant, one he met and killed prior to his arrival at the fort. Cpl. Wallace (Mario Brega), his henchman, may also be impersonating a soldier.

Bicycle Thieves
(De Sica). Also known as The Bicycle Thief. Italian neo-realist classic; includes a cameo by SL as a priest.

Blanco, Tomas. Santa Cruz telegrapher in FAFDM.

Blasetti, Alessandro.

Blondie (Clint Eastwood). Although identified as "the Good" in GBU, he actually has a larger tally of kills than Angel Eyes, "the Bad."

Bogdanovich, Peter. American film critic and filmmaker, hired by SL to direct DYS (they immediately fell out). He later wrote about the experience.

Bonnard, Mario. (1889-1965). Italian director and friend of SL's father, Vincenzo Leone. SL worked as Bonnard's assistant before becoming a full director. In fact, SL took over Bonnard's most famous film, The Last Days of Pompeii, after pre-production, when Bonnard fell ill.

The Bounty Killer. A story treatment by Enzo dell’Aquila and Fernando Di Leo that was the basis for FAFDM. Grimaldi purchased the treatment for SL; one condition of the sale was that the writers would renounce screen credit.

Boys will be boys. The hat-shooting scene in FAFDM essentially sums up the relationship between male characters in SL movies. A similar contest occurs between Juan Miranda and Firecracker in DYS, with Coburn countering Steiger's threats with nitro explosions. It can be argued that the action of the entire movie is sustained by the contest, that Firecracker involves Juan in the revolution simply to get back at him after Juan blows up Firecracker's employer (and livelihood). Similarly, the relationship between Max and Noodles in OUATIA plays out as a deadly game of brinksmanship.

Brana, Frank. Baxter gang member in FoD (uncredited), Blackie, a member of Indio’s gang, in FAFDM (uncredited), a bounty hunter in GBU (uncredited), Frank’s gang member (with pipe) at the auction in OUATITW (uncredited).

The Bravados
(Henry King). Gregory Peck Western that employs themes and devices later appropriated by SL (a pocket watch that holds the image of a murdered woman, Roman Catholic iconography). Peck plays a rancher on the trail of desperadoes (one played by Lee Van Cleef) he holds responsible for the death of his wife.

Brega, Mario. Chico in FoD, Nino in FAFDM, Corporal Wallace in GBU, bumbling thug in MNIN, Mandy (very hard to spot) in OUATIA . Screen caps of him in OUATIA can be found here: http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=1280.msg88079;boardseen#new.

Bright, Richard (1937-2006). Chicken Joe in OUATIA. Best known for the role of Al Neri in the Godfather movies.

Bronson, Charles. Harmonica in OUATITW. American character actor who had his first leading role in this film. Later went on to great success with the Death Wish movies. Based on his performance in The Magnificent Seven, SL had considered him for the role of Joe in AFOD. Bronson didn't like the script and turned Leone down.

Bronston, Samuel. Taught the world how to make motion picture epics affordable by shooting in Spain.

Bullets don't argue/Le pistole non discutono
. Directed by Mario Caiano and starring Rod Cameron, this was the other Western Papi and Columbo were producing at the time AFOD was shot to take advantage of costs averaging. The two productions used "the same locations, most of the same crew, the same costumes, the same kind of screenplay, and even some of the same actors" (Frayling 131). Considered at the time the more promising of the two films (and with a larger budget), it is almost completely forgotten today.

Burgos, Spain. A nice place to shoot a movie.

Buchanan Rides Alone
(1958). Budd Boetticher Western starring Randolph Scott. The hero in a corrupt border town pits two factions against each other, making this something of a precursor to AFOD (to say nothing of Yojimbo).

Il Buono, il bruto, il cattivo (1966). Italian original of The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, with Italian voice actors dubbing Clint Eastwood, Lee Van Cleef, and Eli Wallach. This was not cut as the English-language version was, so provided the missing scenes used for the 2003 restoration of GBU. A direct English translation of the title would be “The Good, the Ugly, the Bad.”


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 02, 2007, 10:34:08 PM
Calhoun, Rory. Dario in The Colossus of Rhodes. American leading man, famous for his roles in Westerns (film and television).

Calvo, Jose. Silvanito in FoD.

Camardiel, Roberto. King Serse in The Colossus of Rhodes, station clerk in FAFDM.

Canalejas, Jose. Rojo gang member in FoD; Chico, a member of Indio’s gang, in FAFDM (uncredited).

Canby, Col. Edward
. Mentioned by name in the Confederate fort scene in GBU (one of the scenes restored to the film in 2003). Union officer responsible, in part, for frustrating General Sibley’s New Mexico campaign.

Canon scene in GBU (reconstructed). Originally, Blondie and Tuco had a duel with canons just prior to their arrival at Sad Hill. Some of the footage for this can be seen in the French trailer for the film. The sequence has been reconstructed with stills here: http://imgur.com/Nsjcgv3

Cantori Moderni di Alessandroni
. The folks who performed Morricone's wonderful Western scores.

Carazo, near Salas de los Infantas, Spain.

Cardinale, Claudia(b. Tunis, 1938). Jill in OUATITW. Cheesecake: http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=6421.0

Carotenuto, Bruno
. Antonio Baxter in FoD.

Casas, Antonio (1911-1982). Stevens in GBU, also in COR as the Phoenician Ambassador. Respected Spanish actor with over 40 years of screen credits.

Casale, Antonio. Jackson/Bill Carson in GBU, notary on stagecoach in DYS.

Cats. Cats appear in all three Dollars pictures. There's the cat in the little house when Joe frees Marisol (right before he throws the machete), and there's one in FAFDM when Monco and Mortimer begin to pick off Indio's at the end (one runs across the street). Also, Blondie is shown playing with the "large one" in GBU.

Cattle Corner Station
. Setting for the opening scene in OUATITW. The platform surrounding the building is made up entirely of loose railroad ties, or "sleepers," as they're known in the UK.

Cattle Corner Coda. In the present "International" version of OUATITW (the one on the R1 DVD), this is the shot of Harmonica rising from the ground after his shoot-out with Knuckles et. al. This bit of film is not present in what has been called the Director's Cut of the movie (what was theatrically released in France and Germany in 1968). The story goes, it was an outtake re-inserted back into the original U.S. theatrical cut of West once the trading post scene had been cut. With the trading post scene gone, the fact that Harmonica was still alive was left un-revealed, making his later re-appearance in the film something of a head-scratcher. Putting back the shot of Harmonica rising from the dead (as it were) eliminated any doubt as to his fate. However, when the trading post scene was restored to the U.S. version, the Cattle Corner coda was left undisturbed. By leaving the CCC in, some have argued, the filmmaker's intentions are not being honored.

Cemetery Without Crosses (1969) A Western by Robert Hossein. SL directed the sequence in which Manuel and The Rogers are seen eating together.

cemeteries and coffins. Both are present in AFOD and GBU, appropriate for films about violence and death.

Centro Sperimentale di Cinematografia
. Experimental Film Center or the Italian National Film School: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centro_Sperimentale_di_Cinematografia

C'era una volta il West(1968). Not merely OUATITW dubbed into Italian, it is actually an extended cut of the film with shots not present in the International version. Those scene extensions are detailed here: http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=734.0

Cerra, Saturno.
Bounty hunter in GBU.

Cheyenne (Jason Robards). AKA for Manuel Gutierrez, loopy bandit in OUATITW hung up on Jill McBain. Although he is supposed to be Mexican, Robards doesn’t play up the character’s ethnicity. He thus avoids stereotyping, but communicates nothing of the character’s cultural background. Cheyenne is therefore much like other roles the crusty Robards has played.

Cheyenne Autumn
(film). John Ford’s last Western, shot in Monument Valley.

Ciavarro, Luigi. Angel Eyes’ gang member in GBU.

Cinecitta Studio, Rome. Most interiors for SL's films were shot here.

Cigarillo. In GBU, Blondie's smoke of choice and his trademark. Famously, he uses one to punctuate the ending of the scene in which he and Tuco meet: after confirming the bounty on Tuco's head, Blondie sticks his cigarillo in Tuco's mouth. After a cut we see Tuco, now tied up and hanging over a saddle, defiantly spitting the cigarillo out. Later, when tracking Blondie, the presence of a still-lit cigarillo at a campsite tells Tuco he is close behind his prey. After convalescing at the friary, Blondie passes his cigarillo to Tuco to signal the resumption of their partnership. It is a cigarillo that Blondie shares with the dying Condederate soldier, and a cigarillo that Blondie uses to ignite the cannon that brings Tuco to ground at the entrance to Sad Hill Cemetery. All attempts to see the object as a phallic symbol have failed. General information on the small cigars can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigarillo

Cigoli, Emilio (1909 - 1980) provided the voice for Sentenza in BBC.

The Civil War and The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. More than a backdrop to the action, actual historical events of the American Civil War impinge upon the action of the film. There are times when the war intrudes to alter the destinies of the three leads, once in Blondie's case to save his life (when Tuco attempts to hang him). A timeline integrating the events of the War with the episodes in GBU is instructive, and can be purused here: http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=4191.0

Coburn, James. John (or Sean) Mallory in DYS. Became a star after appearing in The Magnificent Seven as the knife-wielding Britt. Based on that performance, SL offered him the part of Joe in AFOD. Coburn's price, however, was $25,000, and the budget-conscious producers decided to find someone cheaper. This turned out to be Clint Eastwood.

“Cockeye’s Song.” In OUATIA, the piece of music that features the pan flute (performed by Gheorghe Zamfir). There is actually a scene in the film where Cockeye can be seen, rather improbably, playing the instrument.

Colombo, Arrigo.
Producer.

Il colosso di Rodi/Colossus of Rhodes
(1961). SL’s first feature film, a “peplum” (sandals picture) starring Rory Calhoun and Lea Masari. Already at this point Leone was able to demonstrate some of the visual flair he would become known for.

Colt, an American Legend. SL’s unrealized project for a TV mini-series (based on Sergio Donata’s story, “Gun”).

The Comancheros
(1961, Michael Curtiz). John Wayne actioner. The names McBain and Sweetwater come from this film, as does the image of a man drinking two-handed from a vessel and slowly revealing that he is handcuffed. All found their way into OUATITW.

Confederate fort scene (Bateria San Ramon). Scene in which Angel Eyes, hoping for information about Bill Carson, visits a group of defeated Confederate soldiers. Deleted from the original English-language version of GBU, the scene was later included in the 2003 restoration of the film. The episode occurs between Blondie's escape from Tuco (due to cannon fire) and the sequence showing Tuco tracking Blondie. The scene provides important plot information--it reveals to Angel Eyes that Carson is likely a Union prisoner (helping explain AE's later presence in Betterville). Some have also felt the scene shows a kinder, gentler side of AE, as he appears to view with pity the wounded men--although this may be just a projection of viewer's own feelings onto the character.

Connelly, Jennifer. Academy Award winner who, when still a girl, played Young Deborah in OUATIA. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000124/

Conroy, William. Confederate soldier in GBU.

Constantin Film Producktion. German production partner on the three Dollars films.

Conversations avec Sergio Leone
. A book of interviews done by Leone's friend Noel Simsolo after 1986. Published in France, it has never been translated into English. Discussion of the book and a summary of its content can be found here: http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=7868.0

Coppola, Francis Ford
. American filmmaker who directed The Godfather after SL turned the project down. The film’s success allowed Coppola to go on to make Godfather II (and eventually III), among many popular films.

Corbucci, Sergio. The second-most famous director of Italian Westerns, he made a particularly popular one in 1966 that starred Franco Nero.

Cortijo de Los Frailes, near Los Albaricoques
. A nineteenth-century chateau used in the filming of FAFDM and GBU. In FAFDM it provided interiors for the night-time scenes where Monco and Mortimer escape from Indio's gang. In GBU it served as the exterior for Father Ramirez's mission. The scene with Chelo Alonso, at least in part, was also shot there.

Cortijo El Sotillo, San Jose. Location used for AFOD. It provided the well and the nearby adobe dwellings that open the film.

Cumbow, Robert C. Author of Once Upon a Time: The Films of Sergio Leone (1987).




Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 02, 2007, 10:35:09 PM
Dallamano, Massimo. Cinematographer on AFOD (as Jack Dalmas) and FAFDM.

D'Amario Battisti, Bruno.
Guitarist on the scores for FAFDM ("Indio's Theme") and GBU.

Damiani, Domiano. Italian director of A Bullet for the General and Nobody's the Greatest.

Dante, Maggio. Indio’s cell mate in FAFDM.

Daves, Delmer. Filmmaker of such famous Westerns as 3:10 to Yuma and Jubal.

De Gemini, Franco. Played harmonica on the OUATITW soundtrack.

De Laurentis, Dino.

De Niro, Robert. David “Noodles” Aaronson in OUATIA.

De Paulis.Roman studio where some of the interiors for OUATIA were shot: Fat Moe's Speakeasy and diner, the gang's office and the room where young Deborah dances , as well as 1930's Max/ Noodles/Max (hottest spot in town) and the 1930's scene where Noodles runs down the alley and enters Fat Moe's and presses the lift button. Two hundred metres of 8th Street South and surroundings were duplicated by production designer Carlo Simi and his team on the outskirts of Rome (near Prietralata) on the Via delle Messid'oro. According to Luca Morsella this location belonged to De Paulis Studios - producer Arnon Milchan purchased the land for the production. Simi, who was in charge of customizing the real life period streets in Brooklyn, measured these buildings himself to be certain the duplicates in Italy would match. [Thanks, LITTLE BIG MAN]

Death Rides a Horse (Giulio Petroni). Lee Van Cleef and John Michael Law chase down a band of outlaws who, having pulled a bank job, are hiding out in a Mexican town. The Spaghetti Western for people who, having finished watching the Dollars pictures, want more. From a script by Luciano Vincenzoni. Includes appearances by Mario Brega, Luigi Pistilli, and (uncredited as usual) José Terrón.

“Deborah’s Theme.”

Delli Colli, Tonino. Cinematographer for GBU, OUATITW, and OUATIA. With Delli Coli's camera work, the SL style was fully formed.
Quote
[On GBU] Leone explores shapes and spatial relationships in expansive ways which make his previous work seem almost understated. For much of the film, the camera will simply not keep still. As gunslingers get off their horses, the camera starts below their stirrups, then rises to be level with their faces by the time they reach the ground. Panning shots explore horizontal shapes: a Colt's barrel, a Henry rifle. Objects appear from out of frame, beneath the camera's field of vision. Often, the camera 'reveals' things to us startlingly, which the characters should have been able to see already. . . . Blondie and Tuco are walking, with their map, through a deserted landscape; suddenly the rifles and bayonets of Northern sentries appear at the bottom of the frame; equally suddenly the camera cranes over to a high angle shot of the huge and crowded battlefield which was just on the other side of the hedge. Cinematic space in The Good, The Bad and The Ugly is full of surreal juxtapositions of his kind, to trick the eye and keep the audience intrigued. (Frayling 230)

dell’Orso, Edda. Soprano on soundtracks for FoD, FAFDM, GBU, OUATITW, DYS, MNIN, OUATIA and other Morricone compositions.

Dexter, Rosemary. Col. Mortimer’s murdered sister in FAFDM. Monco purports to see a family resemblance between the two.

Django. Sergio Corbucci's 1966 SW that began one of the most lucrative franchises in Italian cinema history.

Dogs. Three appear, in three separate scenes, in GBU. Interestingly, SL's first use of a dog is in COR, where one trots the empty streets of Rhodes just prior to the final cataclysm.

The “Dollars” pictures. Term applied to the three films SL made with Clint Eastwood, FoD, FAFDM, and GBU (although “Dollars” is not in the title of the last, the film is about a quest for dollars). The characters Eastwood played in each film, though similar in look, manner, and costuming, are clearly different (and have different names: Joe, Monco, and Blondie, respectively). This has not stopped fans from seeing a trilogy of sequential adventures in the movies (abetted by The Man With No Name campaign). According to this view, GBU, although produced last, must be chronologically first as it is set during the Civil War. Supporting this view is the fact that Blondie, who goes through most of GBU in a variety of outfits, eventually acquires the distinctive poncho Eastwood wears in the other two films.

Donati, Sergio
. Filmmaker who helped tighten the script for FAFDM. Wrote the OUATITW screenplay and the story (with SL) for DYS.  He also did an early treatment for My Name is Nobody.

"Don't tell me about revolutions!"
Juan Miranda delivers the director's political message in DYS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-cZWVChgYk&feature=related

Door Motif in OUATIA. Doors are featured in OUATITW, but seem to be emphasized solely as an homage to John Ford and, more particularly,  The Searchers. But by the time of OUATIA, the recurring door motif seems to have taken on a life of its own:  http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=6937.0

Duck You Sucker, see Giu la testa. SL’s sixth feature film.

I Due Magnifici Straccioni/The Two Magnificent Tramps. The working title of GBU, used for the German language version of the film (Zwei glorreiche Halunken). Which of the three principals the title meant to exclude is unclear.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 02, 2007, 10:35:59 PM
Eastwood, Clint. Joe in FoD, Monco in FAFDM, and Blondie in GBU. American  TV actor who came to international prominence in SL’s Dollars pictures.

“The Ecstacy of Gold”/ “L’estasi Dell’Oro”
(Ennio Morricone). The music that plays behind Tuco as he searches Sad Hill Cemetary. It is one of the most popular movie cues of all time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ecstasy_of_Gold

Egger, Joseph. Piripero in FoD, Prophet in FAFDM.

Elam, Jack. American character actor, famous for his unique brand of cross-eyed menace. At the beginning of OUATITW he is Snaky, one of the three killers waiting for the train (the fly molester).

El Paso, Texas. The city where Indio plans to rob the bank in FAFDM. El Paso also makes appearances in GBU.

"Every gun makes its own tune." Blondie's statement late in the film after hearing gunfire in the town destroyed by cannonade, indicating that he now knows Tuco is close by. But the gun Tuco is using at this point is one he acquired after parting company with Blondie, so Blondie has never heard it fired before. How then is he able to recognize Tuco's weapon by its sound? Hanley offers a solution: it is not the sonic properties of the pistol, but the rhythmic firing pattern that gives Tuco away. "A distinct pattern of pistol shots is heard, five shots in rapid succession, a pause, then a final shot [this 5:1 pattern is the signature of Tuco . . . ]" (p. 313). Hanley hears that pattern in the film's opening shoot-out (involving Al Muloch and company), and sees it demonstrated in Buffalo Wallow when Tuco takes target practice with the wooden Indians. Perhaps, then, Blondie's later reference is not to Tuco's weapon; Tuco himself is the "gun."

“Eye For An Eye”/ “Occhio per occhio” (Gaspari-Nohra-Morricone) Tie-in single (7” vinyl ARC AN 4083) released in Italy in 1967 to take advantage of the popularity of For a Few Dollars More, it used one of Morricone’s themes as the setting for some impassioned crooning by Maurizio Graf . The A-side English version was in stereo, the B-side was in Italian mono. Currently available on the expanded edition of the Italian soundtrack CD (GDM 2038). The English lyrics, by M.G. Gaspari and Audrey Stainton Nohra, are:

Curse the dark and evil day that ever I was born
Curse my mother’s loving care that made me safe from harm
Curse the day I grew to be a man and learned to love
Curse the love that made me learn to hate all men
Curse the day that I became what I was born to be
Curse the happy men on earth who are not cursed like me

Take an eye for an eye, they say
But an eye for an eye won’t pay
All that’s due
All that’s due to a man with nothing left but hate

Let the sun shine upon the sins of men
Let the sun shine upon my dead long stray
Let the stars go by in the black night sky
It’s a world of darkness night and day for me

Curse the day that I was born into the world I know
Curse the day that I became what I was born to be
Curse the happy men on earth who are not cursed like me


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 02, 2007, 10:36:52 PM
Faenza, Diana. Tomaso’s wife in FAFDM.

Fawell, John. Author of The Art of Sergio Leone’s Once Upon a Time in the West: A Critical Appreciation.


Fender Jaguar. According to Bruno Battisti D'Amario, "the electric guitar on all the Morricone films" (Hanley 258).

Ferzetti, Gabriele. Morton in OUATITW. Italian actor who did impressive work in the 60s, and appeared in such high-profile films as L'avventura and On Her Majesty's Secret Service.

Firecreek (film). Western starring Jimmy Stewart as a 2-dollar-a-week lawman who must find the courage to confront a fearsome outlaw played by Henry Fonda. Fonda’s character is undoubtedly a prototype for OUATITW's Frank, whom Fonda played the following year.

Fistful of Dollars
. SL’s second feature film, a remake of Akira Kurosawa’s Yojimbo.

A Fistful of Dynamite see Duck, You Sucker/Giu la testa.

Flashbacks. SL used them in FAFDM,OUATITW, DYS, and OUATIA. One can use the flashback in DYS as a way to demonstrate Leone's development as a filmmaker. Compare Leone's use of flashbacks in FAFDM and OUATITW. In those earlier examples, Leone uses flashbacks for essentially the same purpose, to fill in backstory details. That is, they are concerned mainly with plot. Leone uses this kind of flashback in DYS as well, but the final flashback is of a new and different kind. It exists, I submit, less for plot and more as an index of Sean's inner state (and maybe as a foreshadowing of his Final State). That is, the final flashback is mostly about character. Sean is a more developed character than either Mortimer or Harmonica, and part of the reason for that is Leone's more developed use of flashback (also, the plots of FAFDM and OUATIW, which are revenge stories, don't require avengers of any great psychological complexity).

flies. At the beginning of OUATITW, Jack Elam plays with a fly while he and his two partners wait for the train. It has been suggested that this is an homage to Buster Keaton, but flies figure prominently in Leone's Western films (as documented here: http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=6132.0), lending a quality of desuetude to the scenes in which they appear. As a practical matter, Almeria, where Leone filmed his exteriors, is naturally thick with them. The presence or lack of same in a scene can be an indicator of where the scene was shot, on location or in the studio.

Fonda, Henry. Iconic American actor who played Frank in OUATITW and Jack Beauregard in MNIN.

For a Few Dollars More (film). SL’s third feature film, about a pair of bounty hunters who join forces to take on a gang of outlaws led by the mad El Indio. Contains a scene, late in the picture, where Monco (Clint Eastwood) and Mortimer (Lee Van Cleef) are savagely beaten by Indio's gang. Home video versions of the film usually cut much of it, but the full scene has been reassembled from different versions and can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCQp9rnsuEk&mode=related&search=

Ford, John. American film director.

Fornari, Oreste de
.

Forty Guns
(Samuel Fuller). A loose retelling of the Earp brothers story, with Barbara Stanwyck in the Pa Clanton role. An early example of a cinemascope Western, it employs several devices that would become SL staples, notably the ultra-close close-up of a character’s eyes. The film also ends with the title re-appearing; SL would later adopt and adapt this practice, making his audience wait for the conclusions of OUATITW and DYS to see those films christened.

Frank
(Henry Fonda). The blue-eyed stone-cold killer in OUATITW (“People scare better when they’re dyin’.”)

Frank’s victims. Prior to his massacre of the McBain family, Frank had a long career as a murderer. According to Harmonica, Frank’s list of victims included Dave Jenkins, Calder Benson, Jim Cooper, and Chuck Youngblood. Harmonica offers these names when Frank asks him to identify himself, the implication being that Harmonica is acting to avenge them. In the final flashback, the identity of another past victim is revealed.

Frayling, Christopher. Sir Christopher John Frayling (born 25 December 1946) is a British educationalist and writer, known for his study of popular culture. He is especially known for his study of spaghetti westerns and specifically director Sergio Leone. He has written a very popular biography of Leone, Something To Do With Death (2000); helped run the Los Angeles-based Gene Autry Museum's exhibit on Leone in the summer of 2005; and has made DVD commentaries and has appeared in numerous documentaries about Leone and his films. Significant works on film other than his Leone biography include:
  • Spaghetti Westerns: Cowboys and Europeans from Karl May to Sergio Leone (1981)
  • American Westerners (1984)
  • Clint Eastwood (1992)
  • Sergio Leone: Once Upon a Time in Italy (2005)
  • Once Upon A Time in the West: Shot By Shot (2017)
Christopher Frayling was awarded a knighthood in 2001 for "Services to Art and Design Education".

Frees, Paul (1920 - 1986). American voice actor mistakenly associated with English-language versions of Leone films. See Bernard Grant.

Fridkin, Howard
. On August 29, 1977, using an early Betamax purchased for $1,500, recorded the U.S. television premier of FOD, thus capturing on tape the infamous ABC TV prologue. Fridkin's tape was the source for the prologue that was used on the FOD SE DVD.

Friendship.
An important element in most of SL's films.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 02, 2007, 10:37:44 PM
Garbage truck. This mysterious vehicle makes its appearance near the end of OUATIA. Senator Bailey disappears near it, then the truck starts up and moves off, revealing the compactor in the rear in operation. The question is then, What happened to Bailey? Was he thrown into the back of the truck and crushed to death? Did he throw himself in? Did something else happen? The ambiguity is never resolved. This type of truck was no doubt used because of its association with stories about the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa.

gauntlet. A leather sheath worn by Monco to protect his arm when fanning his revolver.

The General (1926, Buster Keaton). Set during the American Civil War, it contains the most expensive scene ever shot in the silent era, one in which a flaming trestle collapses, under the weight of a locomotive, into a river. Frayling suggests this inspired the exploding bridge scene in GBU.

Giuffrè, Aldo. Alcoholic Union Captain in GBU.

Giu la testa/"Keep your head down, balls." SL's sixth feature, it begins with one of the most unpromising starts in film history: a guy peeing, close-ups of people eating, a rape, a wagon-load of naked people thrown into a pile of dung. If you showed me just the first 20 minutes and nothing more I'd have to conclude that this was one of the worst movies ever made. But an amazing transformation ensues: by stages, Leone works the material up from its vulgar beginnings to one of the most sublime endings ever put on film. The distance crossed from first to last is galactic. An amazing feat, even for a genius.

“God Bless America” (Irving Berlin). Song used at the beginning of OUATIA.

Gone With the Wind
(1939, Victor Fleming). The famous crane shot of Confederate wounded may have inspired shots in Leone's work.

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
(1966/67). SL’s fourth feature film. Soon after the premier of the Italian language version, a cut of the film that removed 14 minutes was dubbed into English. This version was the only one known to the English-speaking world until 2003, when a restored cut was released at the original length (including newly dubbed tracks for the scenes that were never done in 1967).  Although the established English dub of the film was, historically, 14 minutes shorter than the Italian version, connoisseurs of the film often preferred it as it featured the actual voices of Eastwood, Van Cleef, and Wallach. Regardless, the title of the English language version is superior to that of the Italian (it is not a direct translation): the terms Good and Bad come sequentially, in an apparent attempt to contrast moral categories. With the introduction of the third term, Ugly, however, another category (aesthetics) is suggested; it's as if, while mapping a certain space, the x and y coordinates were suddenly joined by a z, adding a new dimension. The title has become an English idiomatic expression, independent of its source, a process that began in 1968 when Robert F. Kennedy used the expression as part of his campaign stump speech. A thorough treatment of the film is given here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Good,_the_Bad_and_the_Ugly

GBU film locations 50 years later. An interesting site: http://lieuxdetournages.over-blog.com/2015/08/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-il-buono-il-brutto-il-cativo-1966.html

La Grande Guerra
. A 1959 film by Mario Monicelli from a script by Luciano Vincenzoni, about two not-so-magnificent tramps who try unsuccessfully to avoid getting caught up in WWI. Vincenzoni may have recycled elements (there is, for example, a climactic river-crossing battle) for GBU.

Grant, Bernard. Voice actor who dubbed Volonte in English-language versions of FOD and FAFDM, the Union Captain in GBU, and Morton in OUATITW.

Greene, Graham
. English novelist and early defender of OUATITW.

Grey, Harry. Pseudonymous author of The Hoods, the basis for OUATIA. Leone met with him several times.

Grimaldi, Alberto
. Italian film producer of FAFDM and GBU.

Groggy (Luigi Pistili). Indio's henchman. A little smarter then the others, he's able to survive until almost the end of FAFDM.

Grotte di Salone, Rome
. The scene in FOD in which Clint Eastwood recuperates from a beating was shot here. The location is written on one of Carlo Simi's sketches in the Carlo Simi booklet from the Cinema Mediterranean Montpelier, 1998. The same location was used for the Tuco in the Cave scene (also known as "The Grotto Scene," see below). The caves are located on the corner of Via di Salone and Via Case Rosse, adjacent to the Autostrada Roma-L'Aquila.

The Grotto Scene in GBU. The scene, filmed in the Grotte di Salone, in which Tuco recruits the three men who are later killed by Blondie when he hears their spurs on the hotel floor. This was included in the Rome premier of BBC but subsequently cut. It has never been restored to the Italian version of the film, but was finally included in the 2003 Restoration print (and subsequent DVD release) of GBU.

Guadix, Spain.

Gunfight at the OK Corral
(John Sturges). Another entry in the Earp story sweepstakes, with Burt Lancaster as Wyatt and Kirk Douglas as Doc Holiday. The use of actress Rhonda Fleming as a gratuitous love interest for Lancaster earned SL's ire.

The Gunfighter (Henry King). Gregory Peck vehicle about an aging gunfighter trying to retire, but unable to do so because of a wannabe trying to make his rep. The prototype for a thousand TV episodes, the central conceit was nicely parodied in MNIN.

Guns. Details on the hardware used in Leone's films is here:
A Fistful of Dollars (http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/A_Fistful_of_Dollars)

For a Few Dollars More (http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/For_a_Few_Dollars_More)

The Good The Bad and The Ugly (http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Good%2C_The_Bad%2C_and_The_Ugly%2C_The)

Once Upon a Time in the West (http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Once_Upon_a_Time_in_the_West)

Once Upon A Time In America (http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Once_Upon_A_Time_In_America)

Guzman, Jesus. Carpetbagger in FAFDM, Hotel owner in GBU.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 02, 2007, 10:40:08 PM
Hanley, Peter J. Author of Behind-the-scenes of Sergio Leone's The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (2016).  www.gbu-book.net

Harmonica (Charles Bronson). Mysterious stranger in OUATITW, he is never properly identified but given this designation (by Cheyenne) for the instrument he frequently plays. Throughout the film his motivations remain mysterious, until a final showdown with Frank reveals all.

Harmonica's harmonica. Bronson's character is shown with a diatonic harmonica, but what we hear played on the soundtrack can only come from the chromatic type. Cigar Joe glosses the apparent discrepancy:
Quote
The thing to remember is that Harmonica is just playing what we hear Frank play at the end, that is what the characters in the film hear, like the German title translation which is  "Play Me The Song Of Death",  but WE hear Morricone's "music of the gods" superimposed upon it, hence we hear the chromatic harmonica.

High Noon (Fred Zinneman). Talky civics lesson disguised as a Western. The opening scene of OUATITW echoes the basic situation of the earlier film: desperados waiting for a train.

Hill, Terrence. Screen name after 196? of Mario Girotti. Nobody in MNIN. Came to prominence in the Trinity pictures

The Holy family. The family Joe helps in FoD, which includes Julio, Marisol, and Jesus.

Honest John (R.G. Armstrong). Broadly played dynamiter in My Name is Nobody.

Hombre (film). A Western starring Paul Newman. Although it has nothing to do with SL's work, it is a very good 60s Western.

The Hoods (novel). A semi-autobiographical account of a Jewish gangster’s experiences in the 1910s, 20s, and 30s, the basis for OUATIA. The novel ends in 1933; the 1960s material in the film is the invention of SL and his script writers. Other differences are outlined and discussed here: http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=5648.0

Hour of the Gun (Sturges). A kind of sequel to Gunfight at the OK Corral, this time with James Garner as Wyatt Earp and Jason Robards as Doc Holiday. Robards next role was Cheyenne in OUATITW.

How the West Was Won (film).

Huerta. Historical Mexican general, sometimes misidentified as the Governor in DYS, but in fact, not a character in the film. He took control of Mexico after Madero. Madero, who served as president of Mexico from 1911 to 1913, was well known for his generocity toward the lower classes and he gave huge shares of land to the poor. He was even given the nickname "the Apostle of Democracy" after he won the election against Porifio Diaz, a leader who was despised and seen as a dictator. In 1913, General Huerta, leader of the armed forces and sympathizer of Porifio Diaz, along with Porifio Diaz's nephew conspired against Francisco Madero. Huerta offered him protection from the forces of Diaz but betrayed him by kidnapping Madero's brother and killing him. Madero was forced to resign, making Huerta president of Mexico. Once in power, Huerta established a fierce military dictatorship and took back the land reforms Madero had created. This ultimately led to the Mexican Revolution and the events depicted in DYS.

"Incident of the Black Sheep."
Rawhide episode about a cattlemen-and-sheepherder conflict, featuring Clint Eastwood as Rowdy Yates. SL screened this before offering Eastwood the lead in The Magnificent Stranger.

Indio also El Indio. The psychotic villain in FAFDM played by Gian Maria Volonte. Some have commented on the substance he frequently smokes. Frayling insists it is marijuana, but a likelier candidate is Jimson weed. How to read his final moments? One interpretation: when he closes his hand around the watch, he is affirming receipt of a prize long sought. Why is the watch, and the memory it evokes, so important to Indio? What is the longing at the heart of his obsession? It would be hard to argue that the dead girl is the chief object of interest; he may not have even known her. It can't be regret, either for what happened to the girl or for his unfulfilled lust. Indio is incapable of regret. The failed rape is the defining moment in Indio's life. He had intended to deliver the girl to la petite mort, but she chose its greater cousin instead. Ever after, Indio has been obsessed with death, following it, watching it in the eyes of those he kills. After this prolonged flirtation, MORTimer, with il Monco officiating, brings Indio to the point of consumation.

Indio’s gang
. In FAFDM, the band of cutthroats assembled by Indio (Gian Maria Volonte) to help him rob the bank at El Paso. Nino (Mario Brega) appears to be his lieutenant, and it is he who leads the group that frees Indio from jail. The gang immediately after the breakout consists of Slim, Paco, Cucillo, Yuri/Huey (Benito Steffaneli) Wild, the hunchback (Klaus Kinski), and several unnamed characters. They are then joined by Groggy (Luigi Pistili) and another man, bringing the number of members to thirteen. It is this group of unholy disciples that Indio addresses from the pulpit of the ruined church when explaining his plan. In a bid to infiltrate the band, Monco breaks Sancho Perez out of jail and delivers him to Indio. Both men are accepted into the gang. Eventually, at Agua Caliente, even Col. Mortimer briefly joins the group. Indio’s gang members have an exceedingly high mortality rate. The first three to go are Blackie, Chico and Paco killed by Manco en route to Santa Cruz for the decoy bank job. Next is Wild, gunned down by Mortimer in Agua Caliente over an insult. After Monco and Mortimer are exposed  as bounty hunters, Nino kills Slim, under orders from Indio, and Indio himself kills Cucillo. These two deaths are blamed on Monco and Mortimer, who have been allowed by Indio to escape. Indio sends the remaining gang members after them, hoping his men will be killed (he intends to share the bank loot only with Nino). Groggy, suspicious, kills Nino and confronts Indio. Mortimer and Monco kills everyone else. Two, including Sancho, are shot jointly by Mortimer and Manco in the street.  Then Mortimer turns the tables on Huey and another unknown bandit by shooting through the wagon's anchor rope. Frisco and the third unknown bandit are then killed by Manco from the swivel chair. Finally there is the showdown which disposes of Indio and then the aftermath in which Groggy is finished off.

The Informer
(John Ford). Victor McGlaughlin plays an IRA member who rats out his comrades. Inspiration for the backstory in DYS.

The Iron Horse (John Ford). The prototype for all railroad building Westerns, inevitably quoted in OUATITW.

Israel, Victor. Sergeant at Confederate fort in GBU.



Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 02, 2007, 10:41:09 PM
Jenkins, Dave. In OUATITW, one of Frank's past victims, the first name Harmonica gives when asked to identify himself.

Jill (Claudia Cardinale). Arguably, the central character of OUATITW. Given that SL despised the presence of women in Westerns, an interesting concession and an indication, possibly, that he was out to make a film less like a Spaghetti and one more in the classic American mold. She is essentially passive throughout the movie. Then, at the end, she shows she's changed by actually taking the initiative: she gives the boys a drink. At that moment, she transforms from archetypal whore to archetypal mother figure. Jill is a stock character, "the tart with a heart."All the characters in OUATITW are well-known types: the implacable avenger, the black-hearted nemesis, the corrupt tycoon. The psychology of such characters is less important to an audience than the need for those characters to fulfill their respective roles. Tarts need to be tarty, avengers need to avenge. Motives are little more than stage properties.What is interesting about Leone's use of these different types is the unique way they interact. To take one example, Harmonica's "courtship" of Jill: his midnight "serenade" recieves gunshots in reply; next morning, Harmonica seems on the verge of ravishing Jill when in fact he is only altering her clothing to make her a fit decoy; later, he enters her bathing chamber, but instead of seducing her he fires out windows to kill Frank's men. In this way, Harmonica, even while appearing to fulfill his role as suitor, is disqualified as a potential mate. He has "something to do with death," as do all his encounters with Jill. There is, then, no basis on which the two can build a life together (as Cheyenne observes), so they must go their separate ways. Still, genre conventions have been satisfied: the avenger has exacted his revenge, the hooker has been redeemed by her love for the hero.

Jill McBain couture. The traveling attire Jill is wearing when she steps off the train in Sweetwater is similar to this dress from 1873. Bonnets from the previous decade had given way to small hats. Ribbons hanging down in back were standard, not merely for decoration, but also possibly to shield the back of the neck from the sun. A square of patterned fabric was folded into a triangle to create a shawl. Dresses were usually brown or light colored, never black, as black would show dust (railway journeys were dusty). Jill's dress in OUATITW is in fact black, a bit of artistic license taken by SL, no doubt, so that Jill could appear in the appropriate color later at the McBain family funeral.
(http://www.koshka-the-cat.com/queen/1873/queen4.jpg)

Jimson weed. Some have commented on the substance Indio frequently smokes in FAFDM. Frayling insists it's marijuana, but a likelier candidate--given the symptoms it produces--is Jimson weed. http://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/ethnobot/images/jimsonweed.html

Johnny Guitar
(Nicholas Ray). Silly faux Western starring Joan Crawford, Sterling Hayden, Mercedes McCambridge. Some elements of it found their way into OUATITW.

"John Wells."
Pseudonym for Gian Maria Volonte, used for promotional purposes on SL's early films. John being the anglicized form of Gian, Frayling suggests the last name was derived in this fashion: Volonta, orthographically similar to Volonte, translates as "will," which in turn was transmuted into "wells."

Joe (Clint Eastwood). The protagonist in FOD. A mysterious stranger who is motivated chiefly by money, it would seem, but is capable of moments of altruism (e.g. saving the holy family).

Jubal (film). A film by Delmer Daves, starring Glenn Ford, an itinerant hand who takes a job with a crude rancher (Ernest Borgnine).  Valerie French plays the rancher’s wife with a wandering eye that soon begins wandering in Ford’s direction. Ford remains loyal to his employer, even going so far as to give the man some sound marital advice.

Quote
--You know much about women?
--I can’t say I do. Why?
--Mae. Things ain’t right between us. You’ve been around. You’ve seen us. You know anything I can do to make her like me better? Of course, I can’t change this ugly face none but maybe some things I do, I don’t do right.
--There’s a lot of things a man does that bother a woman.
--Like what?
--Like slurping coffee out of a saucer.
--Yeah?
--Spitting. Scratching. Whacking her on the behind when she isn’t looking.
--Why, I always do that.
--You mean, in front of company?
--Why sure, if I just swat her in private—
--Do you think she likes being swatted?
--Don’t all women? Shows them you love them, don’t it?
--There are other ways, you know, Shep.
--Of course! Why, that’s exactly what’s been bothering her.
--That’s right. She’s just fed up with being whacked on the rump.
--Thanks for the tip, Jube.

It’s likely that SL used the following speech, from Cheyenne to Jill in OUATITW, as his response to the above:
Quote
You know what? If I was you I’d go down there and give those boys a drink. Can’t imagine how happy it makes a man to see a woman like you. Just to look at her. And if one of them should, uh, pat your behind, Just make believe it’s nothing. They earned it.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 02, 2007, 10:42:02 PM
Kaminsky, Stuart. New York writer of crime fiction who supplied dialogue for OUATIA.

The Killers (film). Crime drama with a flashback structure similar to the one used in Citizen Kane. Perhaps influenced the chronologically fractured structure of OUATIA.

Kinski, Klaus. Wild, the hunchback, in FAFDM. German actor of striking appearance who often channeled insanity. Best known for his roles in five feature films of Werner Herzog: Aguirre, the Wrath of God; Nosferatu, Phantom der Nacht; Woyzeck; Fitzcaraldo; and Cobra Verde. After the actor's death, Herzog made a documentary about him, My Best Fiend.

Knox, Mickey (1921-2013). Born Abraham Knox. Supplied English dialogue for FAFDM and GBU. Wrote an interesting memoir, The Good, the Bad and the Dolce Vita: The Adventures of an Actor in Hollywood, Paris and Rome.

Koch, Marianne
. Marisol in FoD. German actress in many European films of the 50s, 60s, and 70s.

Krupp, Mara
. Mary in FAFDM.

Kubrick, Stanley. Spaghetti director wannabe. When adapting Barry Lyndon, Kubrick rewrote it so there’d be an extra duel at the end.

Kurosawa, Akira
. Japanese film director who made Yojimbo, the basis for FOD. SL appropriated elements of Kurosawa's style into his own, notably the use of long build ups to duels that then finish quickly. The convention of characters not being able to see things immediately off camera but only after those things have entered the frame, much in evidence in GBU, may have also come from Kurosawa (see examples in The Hidden Fortress).

La Almadraba de Monteleva, near San Jose
.

Ladd Company, Hollywood. American distributor of OUATIA. When SL did not meet the target length he had contracted for (165 minutes), the Ladd Company ordered the assembly of the infamous 144 minute "chronological" cut which eliminated the flashback structure.

Landis, John. Stuntman on OUATITW, later the American director of Animal House, Blues Brothers, etc.

Lardani, Iginio ("Gigi")(aka Luigi Lardani, Eugenio Lardani). Mysterious title designer and animator who worked on the Dollars pictures and a few other SWs, including Face to Face, Tepepa, and Run, Man, Run. Title design was something of a sideline, however; he began in the Italian film industry designing posters, later working as an editor of film trailers up until his death in 1986. Frayling mistakenly gives his last name as "Lardini." Further info and examples of his work are here: http://www.watchthetitles.com/designers/Iginio_Lardani And here: http://www.artofthetitle.com/feature/a-fistful-of-titles-the-westerns-of-iginio/

Last Days of Pompeii (1960). A peplum credited to Mario Bonnard, on which SL was the assistant director. Because Bonnard got sick on the first day of shooting, it is widely supposed that the film was in fact directed by Leone.

The Last Sunset
(film). Western starring Kirk Douglas and Rock Hudson who square off for a duel at the end. Some feel that this was the model for the showdown between Harmonica and Frank at the end of OUATITW.

Lawrence of Arabia
(David Lean). Panoramic film famous for its exotic locations, including Jordan and Morocco. Most of it was shot in Spain, however, including several scenes in Almeria. For an oasis scene Lean had water and some palm trees brought in. The palm trees seeded and remained, thus the site became known as L'Oasis and was featured in a number of subsequent SWs (it appears in FAFDM--it is the place Indio's men rendezvous after the Santa Fe bank job).

Leningrad
. A film project left uncompleted at the time of Leone’s death.

Leone, Carla
. Mrs. Sergio Leone. Claims to have added the words "Sean, Sean, Sean" to Morricone's DYS theme.

Leone, Francesca. Sergio's talented and beautiful daughter. As a child she sometimes appeared in her father's films. In FAFDM she's the infant murdered with her mother by Indio's gang as part of a revenge killing, and in OUATIA she's the date of Secretary Bailey's son during the Long Island party sequence. She is now a successful painter.

Leone, Sergio. (3 Jan 1929-30 Apr 1989). Italian film director who was born, lived and died in Rome. Son of silent film director Roberto Roberti (Vincenzo Leone) and actress Bice Waleran, SL entered the film industry in 1946 as a director's assistant.  Later promoted to director, he eventually also became a film producer. As a director he is credited with seven films.

The Leopard/Il Gattopardo
(Luchino Visconti). A monumental influence on cinema and the chief inspiration for many of Carlo Simi’s set designs. Both Paulo Stoppa and Claudia Cardinale, who appear in OUATITW, are Il Gattopardo alumni, as is Mario Girotti, who would later become Terrence Hill.

Lewis, James. The author of the DYS novelization. The book contains many scenes not in the finished film. http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=11519.0

L’Oasis, near Tabernas, Spain. Location used for the scene where Indio’s gang tries in vain to open the safe after the El Paso bank job. According to Frayling, the palm trees there are not native, but were accidentally seeded by the props department of a film production crew when they imported trees for the Oasis scene in Lawrence of Arabia.

Lorenzon, Livio. Baker in GBU.

Los Albaricoques, Sierra de Gatta, Spain. Agua Caliente in FAFDM.

Lowell, Mark. Supplied dialogue for the English version of AFOD.

Lozano, Margarita. Consuelo Baxter in AFOD.

Lukschy, Wolfgang. John Baxter in AFOD.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 02, 2007, 10:42:59 PM
McGovern, Elizabeth. Adult Deborah in OUATIA. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001527/

The Magnificent Seven (John Sturges). The most famous American Western of the 60s (with the most recognizable Western score ever), based on Kurosawa's Seven Samurai. It proved a considerable influence on Leone's Westerns. Eli Wallach played the villain, Calvera, a role that prefigured his later turn as Tuco (both characters wear the same rings). Interestingly, two other Mag7 alumni appeared in Leone films: Charles Bronson (OUATITW) and James Coburn (DYS). As early as AFOD, SL considered both Bronson and Coburn for the part of Joe (Bronson turned the offer down, Coburn wanted too much for the role).

Il Magnifico Straniero/The Magnificent Stranger The working title for A Fistful of Dollars.

Major Dundee (Sam Peckinpah). A Western set during the Civil War, starring Charlton Heston and Richard Harris.

Mallory, John (James Coburn). Possibly also known as “Sean” (see Sean, Sean, Sean). In DYS, disillusioned ex-IRA man working for revolutionaries in Mexico. (“Once I believed in many things. Now I believe only in dynamite.”)

Mancini, Claudio. Leone's production manager on OUATITW, he played Harmonica's elder brother in the final flashback. Later a partner in Rafran Cinematografica and a producer ("executive producer" on OUATIA).

Man of the West
(Anthony Mann). Gary Cooper plays a man who tries to live down his wild past by confronting his outlaw father.

The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
(John Ford).

The Man With No Name campaign
. An attempt by United Artists to market the three SL films starring Clint Eastwood as a trilogy. (“This short cigar belongs to a man with no name. This long gun belongs to a man with no name. This poncho belongs to a man with no name. He’s going to trigger a whole new style in adventure.”) In fact, the films were not conceived as a trilogy, and the three characters Eastwood plays have names, a different one for each film (Joe in FOD, Monco in FAFDM, and Blondie in GBU). In 2007 The Man With No Name became a comic-book character (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=120536).

The Mao Tse Tung quote
in DYS. The epigraph that opens the film (cut from American and English first-run prints, subsequently restored on home video versions), white capital letters on a black background:
Quote
THE REVOLUTION
IS NOT A SOCIAL DINNER,
A LITERARY EVENT,
A DRAWING OR AN EMBROIDERY;
IT CANNOT BE DONE WITH
ELEGANCE AND COURTESY.
THE REVOLUTION IS AN ACT OF VIOLENCE
As Frayling points out, Mao's original continued with the words "by which one class overthrows another" which Leone abridged for "fairly obvious reasons." (320)

Marco Polo
project. "At the 1978 Cannes Film Festival Leone referred to a co-production deal between Italian television and the People's Republic of China" to make a serial about the life of the Italian adventurer, with exteriors to be shot in China, and all the interiors to be done in an Italian studio. Leone never did the project. Giuliano Montaldo and Franco Giraldi eventually directed the series (Frayling 376).

Martin, Daniel. Julio in FoD.

Martin, Jean
. Sullivan in My Name is Nobody. Although his career in TV and film has been a long one, he is most famous for his role as Col. Mathieu in Pontecorvo's The Battle of Algiers (1966).

Massari, Lea. Female lead in The Colossus of Rhodes. Best known outside Italy as the women who goes missing in Antonioni's L'avventura.

McSorley's
. A Manhattan public house, established 1854 by John McSorley, and featured in OUATIA (the roll-the-drunk scene). Today, it is a meeting place for Leoneasts and tourists. Two kinds of beer are served on the premises, and the home entertainment versions are called Irish Pale Ale and Irish Black Lager. The brewery is in Utica, N.Y. In 2017 a memoir by the son of the current owner was published.


Menage a trois
. In DYS, Mallory and Nolan seem to share the affections of a colleen in the flashbacks to Ireland. The symbol (along with the verdure) of  prelapsarian bliss.

Mendizabal, Sergio
. Tucumcari bank manager in FAFDM, blond bounty hunter in GBU.

Meniconi, Mario
. Train conductor in FAFDM.

Mesa Verde. The town in which Juan Miranda in DYS intends to rob the bank. The words literally translated into English mean "Green Table," hence the appearance of that title on US soundtrack cues.

Milchan, Arnon. Producer of OUATIA, made a cameo as a chauffeur.

Millard, Joe
. Author of the FAFDM and GBU novelizations, also other novelizations, and original adventures based on the GBU characters: http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=5880.0

Miranda, Juan
. Mexican bandit who befriends Mallory in DYS and inadvertently becomes “a grand, glorious hero of the revolution.”

mirrors.In OUATITW, Jill relies on them . . . as does Leone.

Monco or il Monco, also sometimes Manco (Clint Eastwood). The young bounty hunter in FAFDM. His name apparently means One Arm, and although he has two, throughout the film he favors his right, which is the one he shoots with. He frequently wears a leather gauntlet on it, presumably to protect his arm when quickdrawing.

Montreal as New York, for some exteriors, in OUATIA.

Monument Valley. Iconic location used by John Ford in several films, it has a cameo in OUATITW.

Morricone, Ennio. The most successful film composer in history, responsible for all of SL’s film scores and hundreds others.

Morsella, Fulvio. Producer and Carla Leone’s brother-in-law. Introduced the novel The Hoods to SL by reading it to him.

Mortimer, Col. Douglas
(Lee Van Cleef).

Morton (Gabriele Ferzetti). The railroad baron dying of “tuberculosis of the bones” in OUATITW. The name, of course, contains mort, the French word for death.

Muloch, Al. A one-armed bounty hunter in GBU, one of the three killers (Knuckles) waiting for the train at the beginning of OUATITW (the guy hung up on the birdcage). Muloch’s craggy face is the first to be thrust into the frame at the beginning of GBU. Even as the OUATITW scene was being shot, Muloch committed suicide by jumping out of his hotel room window. SL had to make do with the footage on him he already had.

Murder Inc.
(film).

My Darling Clementine
(John Ford). The Earp brothers saga according to Ford, with Henry Fonda as Wyatt. Leone took several touches from this for his own Westerns, notably the use of dusters. The climactic shoot out at the OK Corral unfolds with sound effects but no music, undoubtedly a precursor to the opening sequence in OUATITW.

“My Kingdom” (song). Future Sound of London 1996 single featuring a sample of the pan flute from "Cockeye’s Song."

My Name is Nobody
(Tonino Valerii). Presented by SL, produced by SL (uncredited) from an idea by SL, a Tonino Valerii film.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 02, 2007, 10:43:58 PM
The Naked Spur (Anthony Mann). Western about an obsessed bounty hunter played by Jimmy Stewart.

Nannuzzi, Armando
. Cinematographer for MNIN (excluding Spanish locations).

Natale, Nazzareno. Paco (Indio gang member) in FAFDM (uncredited), and a Mexican bounty hunter in GBU (uncredited).

Navajo Indians
. SL's favorite tribe, apparently, as their presence is felt in both OUATITW and MNIN.

Neorealismo/Italian neorealism.
A film movement that emerged at the end of WWII that featured proletarian subjects and eschewed studio productions for the authenticity of real locations (for practical reasons, also--they were cheaper to film). Early practitioners included Rossellini, Visconti, and De Sica; SL worked as an unpaid fifth assistant on one of the most famous of these (and even has a cameo in it), De Sica's Bicycle Thieves. Although paying lip service to the movement, SL developed a personal filmmaking style that could be described as "hyper-realism," or "ultra-realism," the very opposite of neorealismo.

New Mexico Campaign. A military operation of the American Civil War from February-March 1862 in which the Confederate Brigadier General Henry Hopkins Sibley invaded the northern New Mexico Territory in an attempt to gain control of the southwest, including the gold fields of Colorado and the ports of California. The victorious Union forces were led by Colonel Edward Canby. The campaign is regarded by historians as the most ambitious attempt by the Confederates to establish control of the West, and to open an additional theater in the war. The campaign is part of the backdrop of early events in GBU.

New Orleans. Setting and location for portions of MNIN. Also the city where Jill worked as a prostitute prior to her marriage to Brett McBain.

New York, New York. Setting for OUATIA. Although some exteriors were filmed in Montreal and on the Cinecitta backlot, a surprising amount of the film was shot on NYC locations: http://msb247.awardspace.com/contents.htm

NYT's Obit. On his death, SL got a thorough write up in the New York Times: http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=7434.0 Listing his survivors at the end, the "paper of record" got the gender of Leone's third child wrong.

Nino (Mario Brega). Indio's lieutenant in FAFDM. Indio treats him with special deference, possibly indicating they have a blood tie.

Nobody (Terrence Hill). Lead in MNIN. The name is a hold-over from an earlier conception of the film about a kind of Odysseus figure who traveled around the West. In The Odyssey, Odysseus adopts the name Nobody (or No-man) to confuse the cyclops Polyphemus.

Nobody’s the Greatest
(Un Genio, due Compari, un Pollo). Disappointing sequel to MNIN.

Nolan (David Warbeck). Mallory’s friend in the flashbacks to Ireland in DYS. Believed by some to be “Sean” Nolan (see Sean, Sean, Sean).Considerable speculation has been devoted to the reason for Nolan’s betrayal of Mallory and the Irish cause. A prior betrayal of Nolan by Mallory has been suggested (perhaps over the girl in their ménage a trios), but there is no warrant for such an idea in the film. A simpler explanation is at hand, however: from the marks on his face, we know that Nolan has been tortured. Dr. Viellga, who also betrays his comrades, makes the point that people need no other motivation to turn traitor. Another question arises over the reason for the nod he gives to Mallory in the pub scene. Is he acquiescing in Mallory's act of vengeance? If so, he would not be the first or last character in a Leone movie to seek his own death. Support for this idea is provided by Warbeck himself: http://wconnolly.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/david-warbeck-acting-without-words-on.html
 
Novi, Angelo
. SL’s stills photographer turned Monk for GBU. Also appeared in MNIN.

Once Upon a Time in America (1984). SL’s seventh and final feature film, the third photographed by Deli Coli.

Once Upon a Time in America, Chronological version. The 144-minute cut of the film with the flashback structure removed. According to Frayling, this version "began with Deborah's dance in 1923, removed some of the childhood escapades with the gang, as well as all of Deborah's 1968 scenes, had characters cropping up without explanation, dubbed in a few explanatory lines, and ended with a gunshot on the soundtrack as Senator Bailey unambiguously committed suicide. The telephone rang only once." (461)

The OUATIA writers.
The development of the screenplay was quite complex; an attempt to unravel its many strands begins here: http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=4593.0

Once Upon a Time: Sergio Leone (55 min.) A documentary commissioned by FilmFour that was first broadcast in 2000. A portion appears on the OUATIA DVD but the complete version is available on Youtube.

Once Upon a Time . . .the Revolution. French title for Giu la testa.

Once Upon a Time in the West (1968). SL’s fifth feature film, sometimes considered a “meta-Western” because of its appropriation of elements from as many as thirty American Westerns. Differences between the Italian cut and the so-called International version are detailed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4SfvaWt07k

Once Upon a Time. . . trilogy. Supposed grouping of OUATITW, DYS (aka Once Upon a Time . . . the Revolution), and OUATIA together. There is evidence that Leone himself supported the notion as early as the completion of DYS (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgramxuvfVo at the 0:54 mark). However, other than the title, OUATITW has little in common with the films that followed. DYS and OUATIA brilliantly fulfill genre tropes, while OUATITW is a trenchant example of Postmodernism. Both DYS and OUATIA share a theme (male friendship and betrayal and their consequences) and these could form a unit with GBU which also includes such a theme, although it's presented humorously there.

“Overture” from La gazza ladra/The Thieving Magpie
(Rossini). Used on the OUATIA soundtrack (for the baby-switching scene).

Papadopolous, Panos. Sancho Perez in FAFDM.

Papi and Columbo. Poverty-row producers of AFOD, they financed Leone's film by piggy-backing it on another of their productions, Bullets don't argue/Le pistole non discutono.

“Pastures of Plenty” (Woody Guthrie). Inspiration for the titoli of FOD.

Peckinpah, Sam
. American film director. SL offered him the opportunity to direct Giù la testa but he turned it down. Despite some rumors, they were friends rather than enemies. SL claimed that Peckinpah's The Wild Bunch wouldn't have been possible without the Dollars films. A couple of jokey references to Peckinpah and his films found their way into MNIN.

“peplum” films
. Also known as sword & sandal pictures, these are movies set in the ancient world. SL’s first film, The Colossus of Rhodes, is an example.

Pesci, Joe. Frankie Minaldi in OUATIA. Pesci went on to become identified with gangster roles, particularly in Martin Scorsese's pictures (Goodfellas, Casino).

Petito, Enzo. Shopkeeper in GBU.

Pistilli, Luigi (1929-1996). Groggy in FAFDM, Father Pablo Ramirez in GBU. A prolific actor of Italian stage and screen (both large and small), Pistilli took his own life at age 66.

A Place Only Mary Knows (projected film).

Plaza de Toros, Almeria. Location used in FAFDM for Indio's prison break.

Poncho. Eastwood wears one in all the Dollar films. Proof that it is the same poncho is established here: http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=2360.0 The fact that it is the same poncho lends credence to the idea that the films make a linked narrative (Blondie finds the poncho beside the dying Confederate soldier near the end of GBU, which is correct chronologically; although shot last, GBU portrays events which must precede those depicted in the other two films).

Postmodernism.A literary approach to texts (which includes films) that foregrounds artifice and treats it as a subject of study. Famously, Jean Baudrillard called SL "'the first post-modernist director'--the first to understand the hall of mirrors within the contemporary 'culture of quotations.'" (Frayling 492). OUATITW, with its many quotations from famous and not-so-famous Westerns, can be considered a particularly postmodern work.

Post-synchronization
. Adding dialog to a film after principle photography is done, the standard practice of the Italian film industry in the 1960s.

Prieto Puerto, Antonio (1914-1965). Spanish actor who played Don Miguel Rojo in FoD. Not to be confused with the Chilean singer-actor Antonio Prieto.

Produzioni Europee Associati (PEA). Italian production company that provided some of the funding for FAFDM and GBU (together with their German and Spanish partners).


Pursued (film). A Noir Western starring Robert Mitchum and Teresa Wright. The device of a flashback of an incomplete childhood memory was later reused in Death Rides a Horse.



Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
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The Quiet Man (John Ford). John Wayne goes to Ireland and courts Maureen O’Hara. Wayne plays a fighter who retired after killing a man in the ring. In a highly stylized flashback, we see the tragic event enacted. The techniques of the flashback were later employed by SL for the final flashback in OUATITW. The film’s setting was also the inspiration for some of the Irish flashbacks in DYS.

Quo Vadis? (1954).

Rafran Cinematografica. SL’s production company, an acronym derived from the names of his children (Raffaella, Francesca, Andrea).

Rancho Notorious (film).

Rapp, Larry
. “Fat” Moe Gelly in OUATIA. Suggested for the part after Joe Pesci worked with him in Dear Mr. Wonderful (1982). Outside a couple uncredited film appearances and a role in another Pesci project, Half Nelson (1985), for TV, Rapp has subsequently had no film career.

Rassimov, Rada
. Maria, “a fresh young whore in the territory” in GBU.

Red Harvest
(1929). A novel by Dashiell Hammet, considered by some the source for Yojimbo (thus, indirectly, the source for FoD also).

Red River (Howard Hawks). A film about a cattle drive from Texas to Abilene, Kansas. A kind of Mutiny On the Bounty on land, the film stars John Wayne in the Captain Bligh role opposite Montgomery Clift’s Mr. Christian. Notable for an atypically dark performance by Wayne. There is a moment in the film when Clift slides a lantern across a darkened room to dramatically reveal Joann Dru’s face, an effect later used by Leone--when Cheyenne first confronts Harmonica-- in OUATITW.

Religious imagery.

Revenge. A constant in SL’s films. It is the motivation for Mortimer in FAFDM, Harmonica in OUATITW. It is, however, repudiated by Firecracker in DYS, and Max's attempt to incite it in Noodles in OUATIA is ineffectual.

Ride the High Country (1962). A film by Sam Peckinpah that teamed Joel McCrae with Randolph Scott as a pair of aging gunmen no longer at home in a changing West. This theme, common to many Westerns, would recur in OUATITW and MNIN.

Ride Lonesome (1959). A Budd Boetticher Western starring Randolph Scott. Boetticher's inventive use of Cinemascope framing was undoubtedly an influence on SL--as was the casting of Lee Van Cleef as the baddie.

Rio Bravo (film). Howard Hawks' riposte to High Noon. It probably played a large role in the gestation of SL's Dollars pictures. Poster Leonardo writes:
Quote
Rio Bravo was released in Italy under the title "Un dollaro d'onore" late 1959 and it was a massive hit here. To the best of my knowledge, there was no other movie released in Italy after WW2  with the word dollar in the title which had such a great success as "Un dollaro d'onore".
So my bet is that whoever changed the title  from "The magnificent stranger" to "FOD",  must have thought about "Un dollaro d'onore". Last but not least, don't forget that Leone when discussing the soundtrack for FOD with Ennio, asked him to create a trumpet sound similar to the deguello in "Un dollaro d'onore" and "The Alamo" (score by Dimitri Tiomkin).

rivers. The one Tuco and Blondie cross in GBU may have mythic associations.

Robards, Jason
. Cheyenne in OUATITW.
 
Robertson, Bob. AKA for Sergio Leone.

Robledo, Lorenzo
. Tamaso in FAFDM, Angel Eyes’ gang member in GBU, member of Cheyenne’s gang in OUATITW.

Rodriguez, Luis. Member of Indio's gang in FAFDM.

Rojo, Antonio Molino. Rojo gang member in FoD, Indio gang member in FAFDM, Captain Harper in GBU.

Rojo family.

Ruiz, Antonio. Fernando in FAFDM (uncredited), Stevens’ youngest son in GBU.

Run of the Arrow (film). Charles Bronson plays a mute Indian boy who communicates by playing his harmonica. A possible inspiration for the character Harmonica in OUATITW.

Rupp, Sieghardt. Esteban Rojo in FoD.

Ruzzolini, Giuseppe (b. 1930). Cinematographer on DYS and Spanish locations for MNIN. A veteran of Pasolini’s films.

Sad Hill Cemetery. Blondie and Tuco's destination in GBU. Designed by Carlo Simi, it was built in its entirety on location in Burgos, Spain.

Sad Hill Unearthed2017 documentary about the work done on the site to restore it to past glory. Includes testimonial interviews with Eastwood and other creators present during the shooting of GBU; also comments by Leone scholars such as Frayling and Hanley.

Salerno, Enrico Maria. Italian actor often cast as an official or police inspector--he was Inspector Morosini in Bird With the Crystal Plumage--who provided Clint Eastwood's voice for the Italian dubs of the Dollars films.

Salizzato, Claver
. From 1990-92 restored footage to the Italian cut of OUATITW, bringing the film's running time up to 175 minutes.

Salvati, Sergio. Asst. cameraman on GBU, 2nd Unit DoP on Nobody. Oversaw the 2014 restoration of GBU and so is responsible for its "yellowed" look.

Sambrell, Aldo. Rojo gang member in FoD; Cuccillo (“Knife”), a member of Indio’s gang, in FAFDM, Angel Eyes’ gang member in GBU, and Cheyenne’s lieutenant in OUATITW (“Two tickets, amigo, to the next station. One way only.”)
Santaniello, Simonetta  Jill McBain in OUATITW. The actress made only two other movies.

Santi, Giancarlo
. Best known for directing The Grand Duel, Santi also served as assistant director to Sergio Leone on GBU, OUATITW, and DYS. Before SL agreed to direct DYS, he had intended to produce the picture with Santi directing. Frayling reports that principal photography had begun before protests from Steiger and Coburn forced SL to make the change, but a 2007 interview conducted with Santi by John Exshaw (http://www.cinemaretro.com/index.php?/categories/30-John-Exshaw) revealed that Santi had been unaware of SLs intentions, had arrived on set expecting to be Leone's assistant, and only learned about the original plan later.

Scarchilli, Claudio
. Bounty hunter in GBU.

Scarchilli, Sandro. Deputy in GBU.

Scorsese Restoration of OUATITW. Represented currently on Blu-ray in the U.S.





Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 02, 2007, 10:46:13 PM
Schickel, Richard. http://www.richardschickel.com/

Schutzman, Scott. See Scott Tiler.

The Searchers (John Ford). Well regarded John Wayne vehicle shot largely in Monument Valley. Elements of the massacre of the farm family later found their way into the massacre of the family in OUATITW.

“Sean, Sean, Sean.” Refrain sung in the DYS theme, a suggestion of Carla Leone’s. Some feel that the name refers to Mallory’s Irish friend, called Nolan in the script. This seems lless persuasive than the idea that Coburn is actually Sean. The many references in the film to Coburn as John are easily explained, as John is the anglicized form of Sean. For example, the newspaper article that identifies Coburn's character as John Mallory may have had an editorial policy to render all Irish names as English ones. Or Sean may have even used John as an alias while on the run. Clearly, Sean uses John with Juan because he knows the peasant will be more familiar with that form of the name. The crucial fact regarding this matter is the lyric added to the music by Carla Leone: "Sean, Sean, Sean." If we did not have SL's other movies, and had only DYS to go by, we might possibly be tempted to imagine that these words refer to the dead friend. But we do have the other movies, and so know that Leone NEVER used music in this way. By the time of OUATITW, SL (in collaboration with Morricone) had developed a fairly consistent approach to film scoring, one that borrowed from operatic techniques. Specifically, he assigned leitmotifs to each of the major characters in his Once Upon a Time trilogy. This is easily seen in OUATITW, where Jill, Cheyenne, and even Morton get their own themes. Harmonica and Frank share a theme, or rather, both are identified by complementary phrases that combine to form a single theme that is only revealed in its entirety at the final gundown. In DYS the two main characters certainly get their themes: Juan gets the one that is sometimes called (by Frayling) "The March of the Beggars." The character played by Coburn gets the "Sean, Sean, Sean" theme. That is HIS theme, and it always plays when he is present on screen or just about to appear (there are two exceptions, the first at the very beginning of the film where the motif serves as foreshadowing, the second at the end after the explosion as a kind of memorial for the dearly departed). This theme is not restricted to thoughts of Ireland, or of the dead friend. The music is always with Coburn whatever he is doing or thinking. It is, in fact, an element of his character. So it is unlikely that a dead character who we only see in flashback is the focus of one of the two major musical motifs of the picture. It seems more logical that the motif should be seen as applying to Coburn, and that it is referring to him by name. That having been said, it makes sense that John/Sean's friend might also be called Sean ("They Shared a Revolution, A Woman . . . And a Name!") for the reasons stated above. There is an obvious parallel between the two revolutions and the two friendships, and that parallel is reinforced if the first friendship is between Sean and Sean and the second between John and John. And since Sean and John are variants of the same name (as are Jean, Jan, Johan et. al.) the secret title of DYS could be "My Three Seans." That would mean that the "Sean, Sean, Sean" lyric is not referring to any one person: the repetition actually names each of three characters in turn. And Morricone's score supports this: after the Mesa Verde job, which ends with a complete presentation of "The March of the Beggars" theme, that theme almost disappears from the movie (it recurs once after Juan has killed Governor Jamie). Instead, Juan begins to be associated with the more melancholy passage from the main DYS theme. It is the main DYS theme that contains (elsewhere) the "Sean, Sean, Sean" motif, so John and Juan become musically connected. One more thought on the Sean/John issue: the use of the dual names may be yet another tip of the hat to John Ford, who claimed to have been born Sean O'Feeney, and took on a new identity after traveling a considerable distance from the place of his birth (Portland, ME). The change of "Sean" to "John" is therefore a venerable American film tradition, one SL was aware of.

Sentenza. The name for Angel Eyes (Lee Van Cleef) in the Italian version of GBU.

Shane (film). Alan Ladd is the mysterious stranger Shane who rides into the middle of a range war between farmers and cattlemen. He sides (and resides) with the farmers, in particular Van Heflin, his wife Jean Arthur, and their son Brandon DeWild. SL quotes from the film in OUATITW (the deer stalking scene).

She Wore a Yellow Ribbon
(John Ford). John Wayne cavalry picture, about an officer’s last week before retirement. The film opens with a runaway coach: troopers pull it to a halt and find a dead paymaster aboard and the paybox missing. This was possibly the inspiration for the Carriage of the Spirits sequence in GBU.

Sibley. Confederate officer responsible for the failure of the New Mexico campaign, due to his drinking, some say. In GBU he is glimpsed on a wagon in a troop column moving through a town.

Simi, Carlo
. Production designer on all SL’s films (except DYS, for which he was unavailable), he played the El Paso bank manager in FAFDM. He also designed the costumes on all the films on which he was production designer, with the exception of OUATIA.

The smile at the end of OUATIA. Mysterious, no?

The Socorro sequence in GBU. A scene that was scripted and shot, but never appeared in any print of the film (and is, according to producer Grimaldi, lost forever). It begins with a Confederate spokesman standing on a train platform speaking for the south.
(http://www.dvdtalk.com/dvdsavant/images/745bacci.jpg)
 Meanwhile, Blondie is in bed with a girl (Silvana Bacci), a shot that survives in a famous still (above). Tuco emerges from the station, begins passing the hat, ostensibly for the Confederate cause, but actually to extort money from the townspeople. He places the money in his sombrero and leaves it on the platform, knowing no one will dare touch it. He interrogates a bartender about Blondie's whereabouts. Meanwhile, while Blondie escapes, Blondie's girl takes the money from Tuco's hat and replaces it with one of Blondie's trademark cigars. When Tuco realises what has happened he stubs the cigar out on the bartender's arm. This sequence would have come after AE's visit to the Confederate fort and before the Tuco-tracking-Blondie sequence starts.

Sodom and Gomorrah
(Robert Aldrich). American peplum picture SL worked on as second-unit director in 1961. According to Glen Erickson:  
Quote
In some reference sources, Italian Sergio Leone was erroneously listed as a co-director of The Last Days of Sodom and Gomorrah. According to interviewer Pierre Sauvage's account in Alain Silver and James Ursini's book What Ever Happened to Robert Aldrich? Leone was an assistant director only briefly. Aldrich visited the second unit, found nothing happening and Leone "loafing", and fired him on the spot. Although Leone was known to embellish his accomplishments to interviewers, so did most everyone else in movies...

Something To Do With Death
(2000). Christopher Frayling's biography of SL, it also serves as a series of production histories for each of Leone's films. At 494 pages (570 with Notes, Filmography, and Index) it is the most comprehensive work on Leone in English.

Spaghetti Westerns. Once a derogatory reference to Westerns produced in Italy (that were in fact shot largely in Spain), now a helpful genre marker for a series of Euro-Westerns produced between 1963 and 1977(?). Although SL did not pioneer the trend, he made it enormously popular with the release of Per un Pugno di Dollari in 1964. By the time the series had run its course, more than 300 films had been produced. Known as Macaroni Westerns in Japan.

Spoilers. Plot information in movie reviews and other writings that ruin the first-time viewing experience for those who have yet to see the film under discussion. This encyclopedia is full of them.

Staenburg, Zach. Editor who assembled the 144-minute chronological cut of OUATIA.

Stagecoach (1939, John Ford). John Wayne action spectacular that set the mold for all the Westerns that followed. Sometimes called Grand Hotel on wheels, it has the added attraction of pursuing Indians and a gunfight at the end. Great shakes in its day, the film appears dated now.

Stander, Lionel. Trading post proprietor in OUATITW.

Stefanelli, Benito. Rubio in FoD, Yuri/Huey (Indio gang member) in FAFDM, Angel Eyes’ gang member in GBU, Frank’s lieutenant in OUATITW, barfly in MNIN.

Steiger, Rod. Juan Miranda in DYS. The first SL actor to use direct sound, rather than postsynchronization, for (at least some of) his line readings. Reportedly modeled Juan’s habit of making fists when excited on a habit of Leone's.

Stoppa, Paolo(1906-1988). Sam in OUATITW, he gives Jill a lift out to Sweetwater. A veteran of over 150 Italian films, he played Claudia Cardinale's father in The Leopard.



Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
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“The Story of a Soldier”(song). Sung during the Betterville Camp sequence in GBU (Music by Ennio Morricone, Lyrics by Tommie Connor):

Bugles are calling from prairie to shore,
Sign up and ‘fall in’ and march off to war;
Drums beating loudly, hearts beating proudly
March blue and gray and smile as you go.

Smoke hides the valleys and fire paints the plains,
Loud roar the cannons ‘till ruin remains;
Blue grass and cotton burnt and forgotten
All hope seems gone so, soldier, march on to die.

Count all the crosses and count all the tears,
These are the losses and sad souvenirs;
This devastation once was a nation
So fall the dice, how high is the price….

There in the distance a flag I can see,
Scorched and in ribbons but whose can it be;
How ends the story, whose is the glory,
Ask if we dare our comrades out there who sleep.

Count all the crosses and count all the tears,
These are the losses and sad souvenirs;
This devastation once was a nation
So fall the dice, how high is the price … we pay.

Strode,Woody. African-American actor who plays one of the killers (Stony) waiting for the train at the beginning of OUATITW. No doubt he owes his casting to his presence in a number of John Ford films (particularly Sgt Rutledge).

Sweetwater. A city in Utah and the name of Brett McBain’s projected town in OUATITW. Also the name of towns in two Westerns that antedated SL’s film, including Michael Curtiz’s Comancheros.

Tabernas, near Almeria, Spain.

Taco, New Mexico
. Navajo village used for scenes in MNIN.

Techinscope. The widescreen format all SL's Westerns were composed for. "Techniscope was a development of the Technicolor Corporation. The purpose of the system was to provide the most economical use of the camera negative. . . . " http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/widescreen/wingts1.htm

Terrón, José. Guy Calloway in FAFDM, Thomas "Shorty" Larson in GBU. Ferret-faced actor with hideous teeth.

Testi, Fabio. One of Frank’s gang members at the auction in OUATITW.

Three Godfathers
(John Ford). Inspiration for GBU, not only the desert scenes but also for some elements of Tuco's costume.

3:10 To Yuma (Delmer Daves). A film starring Van Heflin and Glenn Ford. A number of devices in the film were later used by SL in his films, especially in OUATITW.

Tiler, Scott. Young Noodles in OUATIA.

The Tin Star (film). A film starring Henry Fonda as an experienced lawman who takes a fledgling sheriff (Anthony Perkins) under his wing. At the film’s climax, Fonda uses a shotgun to oversea a duel between Perkins and the villain (Neville Brand). This scene perhaps inspired the ending of FAFDM.

Toners Pub in Baggot Street, Dublin. Location for pub scenes in DYS.

“The Trio”/ “il Triello” (Ennio Morricone). The music for the final three-way duel at the end of GBU. Not only the musical climax of the picture, it sums up the Dollars pictures as a whole, incorporating the deguello first used in FoD and reprised in FAFDM. Oddly enough, most soundtrack albums do not include the complete track as heard in the film.

Tuco (Eli Wallach). The “Ugly” in GBU. Full name: Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez. Also known as The Rat, at least in the English-language version; in the Italian dub his AKA is The Pig. Tuco is the most developed character in GBU, the only one of the three major roles to have anything like a backstory.

Tuco’s list of crimes. In fact, there are two lists. The first: “The condemned is found guilty of the crimes of murder, armed robbery of citizens, state banks, and post offices, the theft of sacred objects, arson in a state prison, perjury, bigamy, deserting his wife and children, inciting prostitution, kidnapping, extortion, receiving stolen goods, selling stolen goods, passing counterfeit money and, contrary to the laws of this state, the condemned is guilty of using marked cards and loaded dice.” The second includes but is not limited to:
•   murder
•   assaulting a justice of the peace
•   raping a virgin of the white race
•   statutory rape of a minor of the black race
•   derailing a train in order to rob the passengers
•   bank robbery
•   highway robbery
•   robbing an unknown number of post offices
•   breaking out of ….
•   promoting prostitution
•   counterfeiting and passing….
•   marked cards, loaded dice
•   illegal postal pickups
•   detention and selling of fugitive slaves
•   …and the sheriff’s office in Sonora
•   The condemned hired himself out as a guide to a wagon train. After receiving his payment in advance he deserted the wagon train on the hunting grounds of the Sioux Indians.
•   …supply Indians….
•   Throwing the pilot overboard
•   Misrepresenting himself as a Mexican general in order to draw a salary and living allowance from the Union army.

Tucumcari, New Mexico. A city in the American southwest. This is the town in which Col. Mortimer kills the fugitive Guy Calloway at the beginning of FAFDM.

The Two Magnificent Tramps. See I Due Magnifici Straccioni.

Unforgiven. 1992 Clint Eastwood Western partaking (slightly) of the style of SL (the English Bob digression is somewhat Leonine). Famously, the film ends with the title "For Don and Sergio," a dedication to Don Siegel and SL, the two filmmakers who can be said to have mentored Eastwood as a director. NB: The 1960 Western by John Huston titled The Unforgiven, starring Burt Lancaster and Audrey Hepburn, is not related.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 02, 2007, 10:47:47 PM
Valerii, Tonino. Filmmaker who assisted SL on FOD and FAFDM, and is the director of record on MNIN (in fact, SL directed some scenes). His other SWs include Day of Anger and The Price of Power.

Valli, Romolo
. Dr. Viellga in DYS. Distinguished Italian actor whose many other films include The Leopard and The Garden of the Finzi-Continis.

Van Cleef, Lee. Col. Douglas Mortimer in FAFDM, and Sentenza/Angel Eyes in GBU. American character actor who, thanks to Leone's films, became a European film star. His first film role was as one of the baddies in High Noon. Full bio here: http://www.leevancleef.com/bio.htm

Vera Cruz (Robert Aldrich). Western starring Gary Cooper and Burt Lancaster set (and filmed) in Mexico. Thought by many the prototype for SL’s Dollar pictures, it features two protagonists (one in white, one in black) in an uneasy alliance to capture a box of gold.

Viale Glorioso. Unproduced script by SL, based on his childhood experiences.

Vincenzoni, Luciano(born March 7, 1926) Respected Italian screenwriter and script doctor for some 65 films, all worked on between 1954 and 2000. He is probably best known for his scripts of For a Few Dollars More (1965) and The Good, the Bad and the Ugly(1966), but he also wrote a great number of other SWs, including Death Rides a Horse and The Mercenary.  He also wrote the screenplay (from a story by Donati and Leone) for DYS (1971). As his reputation grew he was able to contribute to such international projects as Orca: The Killer Whale, Raw Deal (starring Arnold Schwarzenegger) and finally Malena (2000). The genesis of GBU probably goes back to one of Vincenzoni's earliest scripts, "La Grande Guerra" (1959).

Viva Villa! (film).

Volonte, Gian Maria
. Ramon Rojo in FoD, El Indio in FAFDM. Bio here: http://www.italica.rai.it/eng/cinema/biographies/volonte.htm

Wallach, Eli. Tuco in GBU. Wallach came to prominence in such films as Baby Doll and The Misfits, then notably as the bandit Calvera in The Magnificent Seven. After his wildly successful interpretation of Tuco, SL pursued him for the part of Juan Miranda in Giu la testa, but withdrew the offer in favor of Rod Steiger.

Warbeck, David
. Mallory’s friend in the flashbacks to Ireland, called Nolan in the script.

Warlock (film). Western starring Henry Fonda as a Wyatt Earp type, a hired gun who travels with sidekick Anthony Quinn and a faro table. Hired to clean up the town of Warlock, he soon finds he has competition from the local lawman (Richard Widmark). According to some, this was SL’s favorite Western.

Water motif
in OUATITW. According to The Anatomy of Criticism,“Water . . . traditionally belongs to a realm of existence below human life, the state of chaos or dissolution which follows ordinary death, or the reduction to the inorganic. Hence the soul frequently crosses water [e.g. the rivers Jordan or Styx] or sinks into it at death” (Frye 146). Morton’s goal (and we should heed the mort that is part of his name) is a vast, chaotic ocean; he is seeking limitless salt water, not Sweetwater. The water there does not represent a life-sustaining fluid, but rather the death that Morton (who has “tuberculosis of the bones”) is rushing toward. Although he never makes it to the Pacific, water is present at his demise: “he dies crawling like a snail towards a puddle in the middle of the desert—the urine of his own puffing and wheezing locomotive” (Frayling 260). The crashing waves on the soundtrack underscore the irony of the situation (Morton’s great ambition coming to so little), but also re-emphasizes the association of water and death.

But water imagery can have opposite associations, and in OUATITW, when water is linked to Jill, it represents life. Women generally are associated with water (for many reasons, one being that the womb is a "watery" place) just as men are associated with dry land. The fact that Jill is constantly linked with water in various forms (she's constantly in search of a bath) seems to suggest a *particular* identification between her and it. Since water is necessary for life and civilization, Jill, by bearing drinks to the boys at film's end, represents a nurturing presence. She is, if you will, the Mother of the coming age, the matriarch of a culture about to be born (exit Harmonica and the West). This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius (aka Jill's America).

Weisser, Thomas. Author of the highly unreliable Spaghetti Westerns—the Good, the Bad, and the Violent (1992). http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=3644.0

Weld, Tuesday. Carol in OUATIA.

"Western, Italian Style"
(1968). A behind-the-scenes documentary short about spaghetti westerns, narrated by Frank Wolff (who also appears in it). It includes footage of SL on location in Spain preparing OUATITW. The documentary probably was originally produced for U.S. television. http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=k5eRML8SUUo

Western Union
(Fritz Lang). Randolph Scott and Robert Young string telegraph wire for Dean Jaeger. There’s also an outlaw brother who causes trouble and precipitates a downer ending.

Williams, Treat. James Conway O’Donnell (Jimmy “Clean Hands”), corrupt labor organizer in OUATIA.

Winchester ’73 Anthony Mann Western in which Jimmy Stewart is on a quest to recover a stolen rifle. Another possible inspiration for aspects of OUATITW.

Wolff, Frank (1928-1971). Brett McBain in OUATITW. Began as a bit player in Roger Corman productions, graduating to more substantial parts. Played the heavy in Monte Hellman's Beast From Haunted Cave (1959), then made several notable TV appearances, including episodes of The Untouchables, The Twilight Zone, and Rawhide ("Incident of the Wanted Painter"). After working in Greece on Corman's Atlas (1961), Wolff took the producer's advice and stayed on in Europe after the film wrapped. He had immediate success as Gaspare Pisciotta in Rossi's Salvatore Giuliano (1962). Thus, poised to take advantage of the spaghetti western craze when it hit, Wolff was cast in several, notably Corbucci's The Great Silence (1968). He also appeared in and narrated the documentary short "Western, Italian Style" (1968). When the SW trend ran its course, Wolff successfully transitioned into Italian crime movies. Nonetheless, in December 1971, Wolff checked into the Rome Hilton and killed himself.

The Woman at the Well. In OUATITW Harmonica forces Jill to go out to the well on the McBain farm. Ostensibly she goes to fetch water for Harmonica, but it is actually a ploy to get Frank's men to attack so Harmonica can kill them. The scene is one in a long succession that links Jill with water images. There are other possible allusions also. Biblical patriarchs Issac and Jacob both meet their future brides at wells, as does Moses. In all three cases water is drawn and the hero demonstrates some kind of courtesy to the females. Water and wells are archetypically associated with women. In OUATITW the well scene extends the "courtship" device operating between Harmonica and Jill, along with its ironic ("something to do with death") undercurrent.

Women do not figure prominently in SL's Westerns, with one exception. Leone's views on the matter were expressed in an interview with Christopher Frayling in 1982: "In my films, the women tend not to play a very important role because my characters had no time to fall in love or to court someone. They were far too busy trying to survive - to pursue what it was they were after. So the roles for women in Western films usually tend to be kind of ridiculous. The Rhonda Flemings in Gunfight at the OK Corral. What's she there for? To make Burt Lancaster seem even more of a hero. If you had taken her out altogether, the film would have worked better and moved faster. Now, if the female character is at the center of the story - like Claudia Cardinale in Once Upon a Time in the West - then that is very different."

Woods, James. Maximilian “Max” Bercovicz in OUATIA.

Yellow Sky (film). Shot in Death Valley National Monument, this William Wellman Western stars Gregory Peck, Richard Widmark, and Ann Baxter. The dusty setting may have inspired the desert scenes in GBU.

Yojimbo (Akira Kurosawa). A samurai film that was the source for FoD.

Zamfir, Gheoghe. Pan flautist who contributed to Cockeye’s Song on the OUATIA soundtrack.

Zapata Westerns. Films set during the Mexican Revolution of 1910-1919 and therefore carrying a more explicit political message than standard Westerns, named for Emiliano Zapata, one of the prominent revolutionary leaders of the period. DYS can be considered such a Western, although because of its reactionary politics, it can also be considered an anti-Zapata.

Zuanelli, Marco. Wobbles in OUATITW.

Zwei glorreiche Halunken
/Two Magnificent Tramps. The title of the German release version of GBU, a translation of the Italian working title. Nonetheless, the three leads are introduced by titles as in the other language dubs.  Tuco is "Der Brutale," which could be translated "the brutal", Blondie is "Der Gute" and Sentenza is "Der Böse".


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 02, 2007, 10:52:20 PM
Obviously, the above is a work in progress. I'm hoping the board and its members will like the idea and want to contribute. Suggestions welcome.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: Silenzio on July 02, 2007, 11:45:13 PM
Great job, dude... All kinds of stuff in here I didn't know. 

I'm not sure if I approve of your little comment at the end of the Stagecoach entry...  ;)


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 02, 2007, 11:55:31 PM
It's all negotiable. Make your suggestion.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: The Firecracker on July 03, 2007, 12:25:33 AM
Wallach, Eli. Tuco in GBU. Wallach came to prominence in such films as Baby Doll and The Misfits, then notably as the bandit Caldera in The Magnificent Seven.


Was also considered to be Juan Miranda in DYS until he had an arguement with Leone which cost him their friendship.
All the details can be found in Wallach's interview in the Frayling book "Once upon a time in Italy".


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: The Firecracker on July 03, 2007, 12:34:31 AM


Baldassarre, Raf. Juan De Dios in FoD (uncredited).






Incorrecto.
Raf Baldassarre is not Juan De Dios.

This is Raf Baldessarre

(http://spaghettiwesterns.1g.fi/actors/raf/Raf_Baldassarre_GetMean_02.jpg)

(http://spaghettiwesterns.1g.fi/actors/raf/Raf_Baldassarre_Silence_02.jpg)

(http://spaghettiwesterns.1g.fi/actors/raf/Raf_Baldassarre.jpg)



If I had to venture a guess, he plays one of Ramon's lackies. I haven't seen FOD in a very long time so I can't know for sure I'm just going by his SW career where he always plays a mexican baddie (with few exceptions).
Next time I watch FOD I will look out for him as I can easily spot him.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: The Firecracker on July 03, 2007, 12:52:35 AM


Shickel, Richard.



Richard Shickel- An Eastwood worshipper. Believes to have authority on "what's what" about Leone's work.
Proven to be pop culturally idiotic after not knowing that Paul Mccartney wrote the song Yesterday(as is heard on the commentary of OUATIA).


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: The Firecracker on July 03, 2007, 12:53:48 AM
So far, from what I see, everything else is correct.

carry on Jenkins, carry on.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 03, 2007, 07:27:29 AM
Changed entry for Baldassare. Thanks, Firecracker.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: Jill on July 03, 2007, 10:25:36 AM
Dave, very good job.  O0

Only one thing: I think Jesus Guzman was not only in GBU, in FAFDM he's the man on the train who says "this train won't stop at Tucumcari".


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 03, 2007, 03:04:50 PM
Thanks, Jill. IMDB calls him "Carpetbagger." I've added the info.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 03, 2007, 03:47:42 PM
Excellent encyclopedia!   O0



Will definitely come in handy to people who've just started getting into his films.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: cigar joe on July 03, 2007, 10:34:07 PM
very cool what I've tread so far up to the "B's" O0


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 03, 2007, 10:45:26 PM
Thanks, Joe. I'm expecting some suggestions/contributions from you, and from everyone else.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: cigar joe on July 04, 2007, 06:18:08 AM
you may want to add that  Lee Van Cleef was one of the outlaws that Peck was after in The Bravados listing

Also if you have Dogs (three in GBU) then you better also add Cats (there is one in each dollar film).

Connolly (check) Jenifer Academy Award winning actress who played the young Deborah in OUTIA

Add Three Godfathers as additional inspiration for GBU, not only the desert scenes but also for some elements of Tuco's costume.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: moviesceleton on July 04, 2007, 06:59:31 AM
Quote
Landis, John. Stuntman on OUATITW, later the American director of Animal House, Blues Brothers, etc.
You could add, which stunt(s) he performs. And maybe to Kurosawa something more, like that he was influential to Leone in other ways too (style etc.).


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: moviesceleton on July 04, 2007, 07:12:56 AM
Thanks to sb4, this is now solved: Frees, Paul    The voice actor for Gian Maria Volonte in FOD, the drunken captain in GBU and Morton in OUATITW. GMV did his own voice for FAFDM, right?


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 04, 2007, 08:31:51 AM
GMV did his own voice for FAFDM, right?

No.

Paul Frees.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: moviesceleton on July 04, 2007, 08:34:32 AM
No.

Paul Frees.
But what was the story about him practising his lines phonetically in English? ???


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: cigar joe on July 04, 2007, 11:01:14 AM
Well that's a quote from Frayling who said that contractually he was required to do that, doesn't mean that he didn't attempt it and it was decided to go again with Frees


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 04, 2007, 11:18:29 AM
you may want to add that  Lee Van Cleef was one of the outlaws that Peck was after in The Bravados listing

Also if you have Dogs (three in GBU) then you better also add Cats (there is one in each dollar film).

Connolly (check) Jenifer Academy Award winning actress who played the young Deborah in OUTIA

Add Three Godfathers as additional inspiration for GBU, not only the desert scenes but also for some elements of Tuco's costume.
Implemented all your suggestions. Thanks.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 04, 2007, 11:26:18 AM
Thanks to sb4, this is now solved: Frees, Paul    The voice actor for Gian Maria Volonte in FOD, the drunken captain in GBU and Morton in OUATITW. GMV did his own voice for FAFDM, right?
I've added an entry for Paul Frees. I don't know precisely what stunts Landis did, but as I get the info, I'll add that too. The Kurosawa suggestion is a good one, too, but something of a tall order. I could use some help with specific examples that show styles, motifs, etc. the two directors used in common.

Half of the entries for "C" were inadvertently left off, and they have now been restored.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 04, 2007, 11:44:00 AM
Added entry for "Millard, Joe."


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: moviesceleton on July 04, 2007, 03:26:01 PM
Shouldn't we avoid unnecessary spoilers? If this is supposed to be an introduction for the new fans who maybe haven't seen all the films, IMO it's not necessary in most cases to tell who dies etc. Or what do you say?


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: cigar joe on July 04, 2007, 03:44:48 PM
Joe Millard did a series of books based on Leone besides GBU, I've read one "Blood For A Dirty Dollar" years ago.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: moviesceleton on July 04, 2007, 03:45:22 PM
Leone, Sergio   Was born, lived and died in Rome (3.1.1929 - 30.4.1989). Son of silent film director Roberto Roberti (Vincenzo Leone) and actress Bice Waleran.

Something like that? I think the very basic information is enough, everything else is said elsewhere.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: The Firecracker on July 04, 2007, 03:53:00 PM
Was also considered to be Juan Miranda in DYS until he had an arguement with Leone which cost him their friendship.
All the details can be found in Wallach's interview in the Frayling book "Once upon a time in Italy".


wouldn't the above be necessary for Wallach? Your call.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 04, 2007, 03:55:58 PM
Joe Millard did a series of books based on Leone besides GBU, I've read one "Blood For A Dirty Dollar" years ago.
Based on the characters in Leone films? Point me to the info, Joe, and I'll expand Millard's entry.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: moviesceleton on July 04, 2007, 04:12:36 PM
Peckinpah, Sam  American film director. SL offered him the opportunity to direct Giù la testa but he turn it down. Despite some rumors, they were friends rather than enemies. Though, SL claimed that Peckinpah's Wild Bunch wouldn't have been possible without the Dollars-trilogy.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 04, 2007, 04:20:34 PM
Was also considered to be Juan Miranda in DYS until he had an arguement with Leone which cost him their friendship.
All the details can be found in Wallach's interview in the Frayling book "Once upon a time in Italy".
Actually, this is what Wallach says (113):
Quote
"Yes, he begged me to do the part, and I said, "I have another commitment." "No," he said, "you've got to do it." Finally, I said I would do it. Then he goes to California to raise the money, and the studio tells him they have Rod Steiger committed for a number of weeks. So he used Rod. That's where our disagreement came in.
I'll try to work something up to cover this and add it to the Wallach entry.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 04, 2007, 04:22:07 PM
Peckinpah, Sam  American film director. SL offered him the opportunity to direct Giù la testa but he turn it down. Despite some rumors, they were friends rather than enemies. Though, SL claimed that Peckinpah's Wild Bunch wouldn't have been possible without the Dollars-trilogy.
Like this. I'll add it.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 04, 2007, 04:28:56 PM
Leone, Sergio   Was born, lived and died in Rome (3.1.1929 - 30.4.1989). Son of silent film director Roberto Roberti (Vincenzo Leone) and actress Bice Waleran.

Something like that? I think the very basic information is enough, everything else is said elsewhere.
I agree. I'll use this and add a sentence summarizing his career.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: moviesceleton on July 04, 2007, 04:40:58 PM
The Kurosawa suggestion is a good one, too, but something of a tall order. I could use some help with specific examples that show styles, motifs, etc. the two directors used in common.
I'm not at all familiar with Kurosawa but here is something: http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=872.0


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: The Firecracker on July 04, 2007, 04:55:36 PM
Actually, this is what Wallach says (113): I'll try to work something up to cover this and add it to the Wallach entry.

That's it. Even Wallach threatened to sue and Leone said "get in line".


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 05, 2007, 01:56:58 PM
Added info about Mario Bonnard.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: cigar joe on July 05, 2007, 04:31:39 PM
We have a thread on here about the Joe Millard novelizations dj


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 05, 2007, 04:42:43 PM
There's the recent one specifically about the GBU novelization. Marco Leone started one that mentioned 3 books, FAFDM, GBU, and A Coffin Full of Dollars. Evidently there are more: does anyone know what they are?


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: cigar joe on July 05, 2007, 04:48:28 PM
The one I read was "Blood for a Dirty Dollar" and it had Tuco in it so it was post GBU.

I think the thread was Leone Novelizations or something similar.

lol, never mind a quick google search of Joe Millard brought up this list but I don.t agree with the last two.

The Man With No Name novels...

A FISTFUL OF DOLLARS - Frank Chandler
FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE -by Joe Millard
THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY -by Joe Millard
A DOLLAR TO DIE FOR -by Brian Fox
COFFIN FULL OF DOLLARS -by Joe Millard
THE DEVIL'S DOLLAR SIGN -by Joe Millard
THE MILLION DOLLAR MANHUNT -by Joe Millard
BLOOD FOR A DIRTY DOLLAR -by Joe Millard
HIGH PLAINS DRIFTER -by Earnest Tidyman
PALE RIDER -by Alan Dean Foster



Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: The Firecracker on July 05, 2007, 05:25:55 PM
(http://website.lineone.net/~braithwaitej/mainsite/further%20reading/spagwesterns/millard.jpg)



Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 05, 2007, 05:31:11 PM
So, the Fistful of Dollars novelization was by somebody other than Joe Millard, or is Joe Millard just a house name that various people used so we aren't really talking about a single person anyway?


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: cigar joe on July 05, 2007, 09:43:56 PM
yes thats posible a mystery for the board to solve.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 09, 2007, 01:58:31 PM
On Peacemaker's behalf, I added his entry on the historical General Huerta, part of the background for DYS.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 09, 2007, 02:14:45 PM
On Peacemaker's behalf, I added his entry on the historical General Huerta, part of the background for DYS.

kick ass.   8)


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 11, 2007, 10:11:35 AM
Thanks to The Swiss, added an entry for Zwei glorreiche Halunken.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 13, 2007, 08:53:29 AM
Added entries for The ABC TV Prologue and "John Wells."


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 14, 2007, 12:04:38 PM
Added an entry for Women.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 15, 2007, 08:13:56 AM
Added Grotte di Salone, Rome, info courtesy of Clinton.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: noodles_leone on July 16, 2007, 07:50:02 AM
I think this topic should always remain at the top of the list of topics... I guess only the admins can fix that...


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on July 16, 2007, 04:33:12 PM
Yes, I'm hoping this becomes a sticky.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: noodles_leone on July 17, 2007, 03:51:15 AM
I was actualy looking for the word...


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: mal247 on August 01, 2007, 08:58:09 AM
Wow amazing post Dave Jenkins - I feel honored to be on the same board as someone so knowledgeable.

I never knew this existed until I discovered it on another topic - it should definitely be a sticky.

Alternately, subject to DJ's approval, I would be happy to put a link or a plain text version on my website.   O0


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: noodles_leone on August 01, 2007, 09:05:27 AM
the Mario Brega thing on OUATIA may deserve an entry, don't you think?

Brega, Mario. Chico in FoD, Nino in FAFDM, Corporal Wallace in GBU, bumbling thug in MNIN, Mandy (very hard to spot) in OUATIA.
that can be fixed!


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on August 01, 2007, 10:59:41 AM
Wow amazing post Dave Jenkins - I feel honored to be on the same board as someone so knowledgeable.

I never knew this existed until I discovered it on another topic - it should definitely be a sticky.

Alternately, subject to DJ's approval, I would be happy to put a link or a plain text version on my website.   O0
Thanks for the kind words. The SL Encyclopedia isn't the sum of my knowledge, however, most of the entries are derived from resources like Frayling as well as the very knowledgeable posters on this board. If you'd like to link to it, by all means. I don't think it's quite ready to go to plain text just yet. It's a long way from complete, and the reason I put it up here is so that others could post suggestions, emendations, etc. The goal is a proper Encyclopedia much like the ones that have been published for Hitchcock and Welles.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on August 01, 2007, 11:54:53 AM
the Mario Brega thing on OUATIA may deserve an entry, don't you think?
I added a link to the "Mario Brega?" thread with the OUATIA screen caps.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: noodles_leone on August 02, 2007, 05:33:32 PM
great work, DJ!


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on August 02, 2007, 05:58:22 PM
Thanks. Everybody, keep the suggestions/corrections coming.......


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on August 04, 2007, 01:01:14 PM
Added entry for C'era una volta il West, to distinguish it from the (shorter) English-language cut of the film.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: piribiriboing on August 04, 2007, 02:35:41 PM
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Arlanza monastery, near Burgos. Location for Indio’s hideout in Agua Caliente in FAFDM and the hospital interior in GBU of Brother Ramirez’s Franciscan friary.


What's the source of Arlanza monastery being Agua Caliente hideout? And what is the scene? Most of it is the Cortijo del Fraile (opening of safe, beating scene, etc..).


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on August 04, 2007, 08:07:48 PM
You are correct. I confused Arlanza monastery, where interiors for Fra Ramirez's mission were filmed, and Cortijo del Fraile,
where the exterior of the mission was filmed. I am amending the entries.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: marmota-b on August 05, 2007, 05:26:00 AM
Wow! Great addition to the board while I was away. ;) :D O0


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: Bill Carson on August 06, 2007, 04:36:09 AM
Dave, sorry if I`m mistakeing, but I think that you don`t have an entry for Messa Verde (not sure about the spelling) - the town in which is the bank which Juan Miranda dreams to rob...

Also...

Also if you have Dogs (three in GBU) then you better also add Cats (there is one in each dollar film).

... if you have Dogs (like Cigar said) and Cats, you should have The Fly or Flys :) (again, sorry about the spelling...).

I don`t want to be boring and annoying about it, but like we talked about on some other thread, "they" apears in many scenes in GBU (for me not by accident), and of course, do I have to mention the great scene in OUATIW?

So, if we have Dogs and Cats..., we shouldn`t discrimante anyone or anything... Don`t you think? :)


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: marmota-b on August 06, 2007, 05:39:06 AM
Also if you have Dogs (three in GBU) then you better also add Cats (there is one in each dollar film).

Now I have a bug in my head, as we say in Czech... I know only about the kitten in GBU (but about that I know very well. ;D)


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: cigar joe on August 06, 2007, 05:42:24 AM
(I know only about the kitten in GBU (but about that I know very well. )

The cat in the little house when Clint frees Marisol (right before he throws the machete), and in FAFDM when Monco and Mortimer begin to pick off Indio's at the end (one runs across the street).


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: marmota-b on August 06, 2007, 06:00:16 AM
The cat in the little house when Clint frees Marisol (right before he throws the machete), and in FAFDM when Monco and Mortimer begin to pick off Indio's at the end (one runs across the street).

I think I remember the one in FD. Because when I was trying to remember a cat in FD, I remembered that scene; however, I can't remember what exactly the cat does there (apart from running away), which isn't a very good memory.
About the one in FFDM - I have a feeling I must have noticed it once, but that's all... :-\ Definitelly the darker side of my noticing of things.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on August 06, 2007, 06:47:44 AM
Dave, sorry if I`m mistakeing, but I think that you don`t have an entry for Messa Verde (not sure about the spelling) - the town in which is the bank which Juan Miranda dreams to rob...

Also...

... if you have Dogs (like Cigar said) and Cats, you should have The Fly or Flys :) (again, sorry about the spelling...).

I don`t want to be boring and annoying about it, but like we talked about on some other thread, "they" apears in many scenes in GBU (for me not by accident), and of course, do I have to mention the great scene in OUATIW?

So, if we have Dogs and Cats..., we shouldn`t discrimante anyone or anything... Don`t you think? :)
Some very good suggestions. I'll work up an entry on flies and Mesa Verde (I'll think about one for cats, vile creatures that they are).


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: marmota-b on August 06, 2007, 06:58:07 AM
(I'll think about one for cats, vile creatures that they are).

 >:( >:( >:(

At least mine isn't!


Am I mistaken or is a town named Mesa Verde in FFDM as well?


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: cigar joe on August 06, 2007, 05:57:27 PM
Valverde is the name, but in New Mexico they call the whole Rio Grande Valley, Valverde (which means green valley).


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: Bill Carson on August 07, 2007, 01:17:09 AM
Some very good suggestions. I'll work up an entry on flies and Mesa Verde (I'll think about one for cats, vile creatures that they are).

Thank you!

BTW great idea to make SL Encyclopedia Dave, and big effort, too! O0


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on August 09, 2007, 03:17:11 PM
Added info on Frank Wolff.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: marmota-b on August 10, 2007, 12:46:48 AM
Valverde is the name, but in New Mexico they call the whole Rio Grande Valley, Valverde (which means green valley).

I should watch it again, I can't remember this... ::)


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on August 14, 2007, 10:50:47 AM
Added entry for Claudio Mancini.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on August 21, 2007, 09:32:11 AM
Added Howard Fridkin, the guy who recorded the FOD American TV prologue on his betamax.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: marmota-b on August 21, 2007, 09:44:40 AM
Dave, you have something in Frank's victims, that is comparable to the DVD case writing... do you think it has to be there? In case somebody hasn't seen it yet?
(OK, such people probably wouldn't be reading that entry, I know, but...)


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on August 21, 2007, 04:16:14 PM
Well, an encyclopedia, to my way of understanding, doesn't concern itself over spoilers, but with covering topics as completely as possible in a limited amount of space. It has a very different function than the back of a DVD case, which is supposed to tease the interest of the viewer without giving away too much of the plot.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on August 21, 2007, 04:31:11 PM
Put the youtube link for the full beating scene in the FAFDM entry.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: marmota-b on August 21, 2007, 11:56:05 PM
Well, an encyclopedia, to my way of understanding, doesn't concern itself over spoilers, but with covering topics as completely as possible in a limited amount of space. It has a very different function than the back of a DVD case, which is supposed to tease the interest of the viewer without giving away too much of the plot.

Yeah, I know. Sorry, yesterday I was a bit harsh on it. Maybe you could put there "Contains spoilers", just so everyone would know.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on August 22, 2007, 12:10:19 AM
You mean at the very front of the encyclopedia? Okay, I could do that.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: marmota-b on August 22, 2007, 12:44:53 AM
You mean at the very front of the encyclopedia? Okay, I could do that.

Yeah, at the begining. Thanks.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on September 25, 2007, 10:42:05 AM
Added entry for Giancarlo Santi.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: moviesceleton on October 14, 2007, 03:43:39 AM
What's up with this thread? Why is it not sticky? Or are we waiting for it to become as complete as possible? To say the truth, newbies and visitors will find this thread only by accident, and what's the use then?


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on May 22, 2008, 09:54:40 PM
Added the following entry:

Lardani, Eugenio(aka Luigi Lardani, Iginio Lardani). Mysterious title designer and animator who worked on the Dollars pictures and a few other SWs, including Face to Face, Tepepa, and Run, Man, Run. Frayling mistakenly gives his last name as "Lardini."

EDIT: entry modified to read:
Lardani, Iginio ("Gigi")(aka Luigi Lardani, Eugenio Lardani). Mysterious title designer and animator who worked on the Dollars pictures and a few other SWs, including Face to Face, Tepepa, and Run, Man, Run. Title design was something of a sideline, however; he worked steadily as an editor of Italian trailers up until his death in 1986. Frayling mistakenly gives his last name as "Lardini."


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: marmota-b on May 23, 2008, 11:26:20 PM
What's up with this thread? Why is it not sticky? Or are we waiting for it to become as complete as possible? To say the truth, newbies and visitors will find this thread only by accident, and what's the use then?

That's right, I forgot it existed! :o


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: cigar joe on May 24, 2008, 03:55:20 AM
Yes it should be a sticky  O0


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on May 29, 2008, 07:31:27 PM
Evidently, this is now a sticky, so I guess the poll did its job. I did not instigate the poll, but I thank everyone who voted. Now the fun can begin in earnest. I welcome comments, suggestions, and, even better, whole entries that I can paste in without revising. Please apply to your area of interest/expertise (CJ, I've cleared space for an entry on "Guns." Anything you can provide for that topic, under, let's say, a 300-word limit?).


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: marmota-b on May 30, 2008, 12:49:17 AM
Ah, great. O0 Pity that I don't have much knowledge to contribute. Unless you were interested in historical costumes, than maybe... but it isn't specifically SL.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on May 30, 2008, 12:53:55 AM
How about something along the lines of "Sergio Leone and the Prague Spring"?


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: marmota-b on May 30, 2008, 01:38:08 AM
How about something along the lines of "Sergio Leone and the Prague Spring"?

 ::)
I'd have to know more about it. I don't.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on May 30, 2008, 01:47:18 AM
It was a joke (although, you never know, maybe it could really come off . . .)


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: marmota-b on May 30, 2008, 01:55:19 AM
It was a joke (although, you never know, maybe it could really come off . . .)

I know. That's why I used the smiley. ;D


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on May 30, 2008, 02:15:52 AM
OK, but you used the roll-the-eyes smiley, which was kinda ambiguous in context.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: marmota-b on May 30, 2008, 02:30:15 AM
It meant "Haha, very funny" with an ironic underlining. ;D


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on May 30, 2008, 02:39:39 AM
well . . . how is that different from the meaning of a regular smiley?


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: cigar joe on May 30, 2008, 03:53:32 AM
marmota how about commenting on the historical western costumes of the films  O0


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: marmota-b on May 30, 2008, 11:22:29 AM
I'll have to collect my material... but if you like, I can definitely do it one day. :) But feel free to comment on something yourself, if you have the knowledge, because what I have access to is usually "high fashion" of the time, so there must have been a lot of differences.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: cigar joe on May 30, 2008, 03:10:45 PM
Well Jill looked like she was pretty high fasion in her traveling clothes and her other outfits, I especially remember her wrap, which was unusual, go for it!


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on May 30, 2008, 06:13:42 PM
Even if you could just tell us about everyone's hats, that would be helpful.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 30, 2008, 06:33:49 PM
Even if you could just tell us about everyone's hats, that would be helpful.

Western hats are badass.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: marmota-b on May 31, 2008, 02:40:38 AM
Sorry, hats are not my field... except for this:

As far as Jill's travelling attire is concerned, I found this picture of a travelling dress from 1873, which is very similar, including the hat:
http://www.koshka-the-cat.com/queen/1873/queen4.jpg
The hat in particular, actually. The similarity really stroke me when I saw it. Jill's just doesn't have the big - what do you call it? - the big decoration on the side, but the shape and the ribbon are almost identical.
To refresh your memory, here's the film costume. (I suppose you don't need it, but I love this costume. ;D)

(http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/9245/056anv7.png)(http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2339/048jillvystupujezvlakuka9.png)
(http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/6083/061lj5.png)
(http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/9929/062fe0.png)

According to this Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1860s_in_fashion), "the common outer garments were square shawls folded on the diagonal to make a triangle" in the 1860's. That's to Jill's wrap. I think I've seen it on some picture, I just cannot find anything now. It seems to me there's also something similar on the picture I linked to above. (Not what the lady has over her shoulders, that seems to be something tailored, but she has something loosely wrapped around her and that might be it.)
Ah, wait. Here's one:
http://www.fashion-era.com/images/la_mode_illustree/lamodevasegreen.jpg
It's really 60's, which is too early for OUATITW, but that doesn't matter that much. It would be worse if it were too late for it.

And at the same site is also for example this:
http://www.fashion-era.com/images/la_mode_illustree/lamodegreenroses.jpg
- which reminds me slightly of her auction dress.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on May 31, 2008, 02:55:21 AM
Your last link is missing "jpg" on the end, I guess it got cut off.

Hey, Ms. Rodent, this is good stuff. I particularly like the illustration that matches Jill's traveling outfit. So, the ribbon always hung down in back like that?


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: marmota-b on May 31, 2008, 03:11:01 AM
Your last link is missing "jpg" on the end, I guess it got cut off.

Hey, Ms. Rodent, this is good stuff. I particularly like the illustration that matches Jill's traveling outfit. So, the ribbon always hung down in back like that?

Thanks, I corrected it.

I cannot say "always", but it seems it was quite common. Look at this one:
http://www.fashion-era.com/images/la_mode_illustree/lamodegreywinetrim.jpg
Or this one:
http://www.koshka-the-cat.com/queen/1873/queen1.jpg
(Another travelling costume from the same source as the first one.)

BTW, it seems to me the other ladies at the station are less "fashion forward" than Jill and their dresses are more like 1860's.

I collected all these and the links to the fashion sites when writing my work on OUATITW. Internet is really priceless. O0 You can even find old sewing patterns...

Which reminds me, I have somewhere a copy of a pattern diagram for a men's coat from 1860's, which might be what Blondie wears in the begining of GBU. I should finally dig it up and compare.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on May 31, 2008, 04:09:16 AM
I just added an entry called "Jill McBain Couture" and copied the image from your first link. I don't have any text yet, maybe you could help me out. Are there just two dresses we need to worry about, the traveling outfit and the one for the auction?


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: marmota-b on May 31, 2008, 04:39:46 AM
There's also the white one...

I'll write something later. Now we're going to have lunch. ;)


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on May 31, 2008, 04:44:50 AM
Soup? Toasted cheese sandwiches?


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: marmota-b on May 31, 2008, 05:00:35 AM
Pasta salad. ;D

I think it will be best if I start a new thread focused on this. And then we might decide what should go here and what is too much detail and should stay in a separate thread. OK?

You can write there that it's from the site www.koshka-the.cat.com, that it comes from The Queen Magazine, August 30, 1873 and the description goes
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"CLOTH TRAVELLING COSTUME Vieugna cloth of a neutral shade is used for this costume.  The short skirt is bordered with a flounce mounted in triple plaits, and sen down with a crossband.  The tunic is bordered with crossband, which is also repeated on the talma."
(Or whatever you think is most important of that, I think nobody is interested in those details, and if, can go visit the site.) That one should notice the similarity of the hat and the overall lines of the costume. And that Jill's travelling costume is black, although it was said not to be a good colour for travelling by train, because the dust was well seen on it. (I have this information from a history book on USA during Grant's presidency, written by a Czech scholar.)
I think that the colour was deliberate, because it fitted to the mood of the burial later on...


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: cigar joe on May 31, 2008, 07:41:15 AM
Nice stuff rodent!, I'll add some gun information soon too dj  O0


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on May 31, 2008, 08:30:47 AM
 O0


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: marmota-b on May 31, 2008, 09:51:47 AM
Thanks, guys. Wait for the separate thread. ;) I'll collect more info and start it later...


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on June 05, 2008, 04:14:43 AM
Added an entry for Jenkins, Dave.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: Groggy on June 05, 2008, 06:46:42 AM
Erm... How does Frank Wolff warrant an entry longer than pretty much every other actor listed combined? ???


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on June 05, 2008, 06:55:41 AM
Cause no one cares enough to supply me with write ups for anyone else?


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: Groggy on June 05, 2008, 07:17:12 AM
You could've asked. ::)


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on June 05, 2008, 08:57:24 AM
Been asking for a year.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on June 10, 2008, 03:59:38 AM
moviesceleton has PM'd me with this suggestion:

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You could add to Bronson's entry in the Encyclopedia this bit of info:

Was offered the role of Joe in AFOD but refused saying the script was "just about the worst I'd ever seen". Later he explained: "What I didn't understand was that the script didn't make any difference. It was the way Leone was going to direct it that would make the difference."

I am happy to add the gist of this to the Bronson entry.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on June 10, 2008, 04:31:38 AM
moviesceleton has another suggestion (is he taking something?):

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Another contribution to the Encyclopedia. Feel free to correct the factual and grammar errors.

Neorealism An influential and acclaimed style of film or a movement that aimed at the greatest possible realism in film by using nonprofessional actors, shooting on location and the overall unpolished look and style. Became popular after WWII among film critics and the "art" movie society but never reached huge success among average moviegoers. SL worked as an assistant director on one neorealist film, Vittorio De Sica's Bicycle Thieves. SL made clear that even though he understood the importance of this movement and learned some important lessons from De Sica, he didn't feel any appeal to it because to him cinema was all about imagination.

Hmmmm. This seems a bit windy for an entry about "the road not taken." I like the idea of contrasting neorealism with Leoneism, though. I'll give this some thought and work up my own version of it. Anyone else want to lend a hand?


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: moviesceleton on June 10, 2008, 04:37:16 AM
Hmmmm. This seems a bit windy for an entry about "the road not taken." I like the idea of contrasting neorealism with Leoneism, though.
I hear what you're saying. Actually when I started writing it I was under the impression that SL worked on more than just one neorealist movie but when I checked again Bicycle Thieves was the only one I could find.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: moviesceleton on June 10, 2008, 04:53:52 AM
Addition to Coburn, James:
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Was offered the role of Joe in AFOD, and agreed to play the part for $25,000, which was too much for the producers.
Frayling, STDWD p.134. Am I plagiarizing here? ;D


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on June 10, 2008, 05:10:11 AM
Here is what I've done with the neorealism entry:
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Neorealismo/Italian neorealism. A film movement that emerged at the end of WWII that featured proletarian subjects and eschewed studio productions for the authenticity of real locations (for practical reasons, also--they were cheaper to film). Early practitioners included Rossellini, Visconti, and De Sica; SL worked as an unpaid fifth assistant on one of the most famous of these (and even has a cameo in it), De Sica's Bicycle Thieves. Although paying lip service to the movement, SL developed a personal filmmaking style that could be described as "hyper-realism," or "ultra-realism," the very opposite of neorealismo.

I think I'll add info to Bronson, Coburn and The Magnificent Seven regarding SL's interest in having that film's stars in his first Western.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: moviesceleton on June 10, 2008, 05:16:40 AM
Sounds good. O0


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on June 10, 2008, 05:32:54 AM
I think I'll add info to Bronson, Coburn and The Magnificent Seven regarding SL's interest in having that film's stars in his first Western.
Done.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: moviesceleton on June 10, 2008, 05:41:28 AM
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Marco Polo project.
Anyone know something about this? ??? I've never heard of it.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on June 10, 2008, 05:58:24 AM
Frayling talks about it on 376.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: Groggy on June 10, 2008, 06:05:40 AM
moviesceleton has another suggestion (is he taking something?):

Hmmmm. This seems a bit windy for an entry about "the road not taken."

As opposed to the omnibus entry for "Sean Sean Sean"? :D


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: Silenzio on June 10, 2008, 03:57:50 PM
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You could add to Bronson's entry in the Encyclopedia this bit of info:

Was offered the role of Joe in AFOD but refused saying the script was "just about the worst I'd ever seen". Later he explained: "What I didn't understand was that the script didn't make any difference. It was the way Leone was going to direct it that would make the difference."


I believe I also heard somewhere that the script Bronson read was very poorly translated.  With lines such as: "We must go to the hill of boots!"

I can't quite remember where I heard this, or how credible it was.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on June 10, 2008, 04:57:16 PM
That bit of info might be good to work in, provided someone can come up with a source.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on June 10, 2008, 05:37:09 PM
Created an entry for Bullets don't argue/Le pistole non discutono.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: moviesceleton on June 11, 2008, 09:06:06 AM

I believe I also heard somewhere that the script Bronson read was very poorly translated.  With lines such as: "We must go to the hill of boots!"

I can't quite remember where I heard this, or how credible it was.
It was actually Eastwood who said it. But they both probably read the same translation... It was on STDWD, I'll look the page up soon.

EDIT: It's page 137, in the end of the second paragraph.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: Silenzio on June 11, 2008, 01:30:40 PM
It was actually Eastwood who said it. But they both probably read the same translation... It was on STDWD, I'll look the page up soon.

EDIT: It's page 137, in the end of the second paragraph.

O0  Good to know.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on June 19, 2008, 04:18:07 PM
Added this:
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Cigarillo. In GBU, Blondie's smoke of choice and his trademark. Famously, he uses one to punctuate the ending of the scene in which he and Tuco meet: after confirming the bounty on Tuco's head, Blondie sticks his cigarillo in Tuco's mouth. After a cut we see Tuco, now tied up and hanging over a saddle, defiantly spitting the cigarillo out. Later, when tracking Blondie, the presence of a still-lit cigarillo at a campsite tells Tuco he is close behind his prey. After convalescing at the friary, Blondie passes his cigarillo to Tuco to signal the resumption of their partnership. It is a cigarillo that Blondie shares with the dying Condederate soldier, and a cigarillo that Blondie uses to ignite the cannon that brings Tuco to ground at the entrance to Sad Hill Cemetery. All attempts to see the object as a phallic symbol have failed. General information on the small cigars can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigarillo


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: Silenzio on June 19, 2008, 05:23:18 PM
Yes, the Cigarillo is a big part of MWNN's aura.



"All attempts to see the object as a phallic symbol have failed."


Hilarious and true.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: Groggy on June 20, 2008, 04:19:13 PM
Yes, the Cigarillo is a big part of MWNN's aura.



"All attempts to see the object as a phallic symbol have failed."


Hilarious and true.

Yeah, it's a bit... small to function as such.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: Colonel Günther Ruiz on August 25, 2009, 05:47:10 PM
A few things that I wanted to bring up.  I liked the rather terse entry for My Name is Nobody.  Richard Bright was in all 3 Godfathers as Al Neri.  For the Magnificent Seven, in addition to Wallach as Calvera, having European stars like Brynner and Buchholz in a western prefigured the acceptance of American audiences to Italian or European westerns.  In turn, the Italian oaters seemed to influence the later Mag-7 flicks (in GoM7 James Whitmore befriends a young Emiliano Zapata and LVC stars in M7R!).  Finally, I'm surprised that there isn't an entry about Clint Eastwood's Unforgiven dedication to Leone (and Don Siegel) or Eastwood's long overdue reunion with Wallach when Clint cast him in a small role in Mystic River.

Great encyclopedia though, I loved the water motif and Sean, Sean, Sean entries.   O0


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on August 25, 2009, 08:27:32 PM
Thanks, IC. You have some very good ideas there. As I've said before, this is a work in progress, and I'm happy to include suggestions. The easy ones you mention I'll get right on . . . .


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on August 25, 2009, 08:53:56 PM
At Il Colonnello's suggestion, I have added the following entry:

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Unforgiven. 1992 Clint Eastwood Western partaking (slightly) of the style of SL (the English Bob digression is somewhat Leonine). Famously, the film ends with the title "For Don and Sergio," a dedication to Don Siegel and SL, the two filmmakers who can be said to have mentored Eastwood as a director. NB: The 1960 Western by John Huston titled The Unforgiven, starring Burt Lancaster and Audrey Hepburn, is not related.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on February 15, 2010, 09:42:06 AM
The entry for Rio Bravo has been updated:

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Rio Bravo (film). Howard Hawks' riposte to High Noon. It probably played a large role in the gestation of SL's Dollars pictures. Poster Leonardo writes:

Rio Bravo was released in Italy under the title "Un dollaro d'onore" late 1959 and it was a massive hit here. To the best of my knowledge, there was no other movie released in Italy after WW2  with the word dollar in the title which had such a great success as "Un dollaro d'onore".
So my bet is that whoever changed the title  from "The magnificent stranger" to "FOD",  must have thought about "Un dollaro d'onore". Last but not least, don't forget that Leone when discussing the soundtrack for FOD with Ennio, asked him to create a trumpet sound similar to the deguello in "Un dollaro d'onore" and "The Alamo" (score by Dimitri Tiomkin).


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: Groggy on February 15, 2010, 01:30:21 PM
Jenkins, Larry Rapp was in several movies besides OUATIA, albeit nothing overly memorable. He'd been suggested for the part by Joe Pesci since they'd worked together in Dear Mr. Wonderful.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on February 15, 2010, 01:38:21 PM
Jenkins, Larry Rapp was in several movies besides OUATIA, albeit nothing overly memorable. He'd been suggested for the part by Joe Pesci since they'd worked together in Dear Mr. Wonderful.
Thanks. IMDb kind of backs you up: besides OUATIA and Dear Mr. Wonderful, he has 2 uncredited film appearances and one TV movie appearance. But I'll amend his entry.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: Groggy on February 15, 2010, 02:00:53 PM
Well, it depends on your definition of several perhaps. He didn't seem to be a professional actor at any rate - didn't Frayling say he was a tailor or some such?


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on November 01, 2010, 10:21:13 AM
Courtesy of stanton, I've added an entry for "The Alphonse Dub" of the German FOD.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on September 23, 2011, 08:02:16 AM
Removed erroneous voice-acting attributions to Paul Frees, applied them to Bernard Grant.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on June 14, 2012, 09:54:43 AM
Under D&D's advice, made corrections to the entry for Carlo Simi.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on September 07, 2012, 02:15:00 PM
Added an entry for McSorley's pub.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: cigar joe on September 07, 2012, 06:13:24 PM
 O0


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on September 21, 2012, 10:50:23 AM
Opened a heading for Leone, Francesca.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: cigar joe on September 21, 2012, 04:31:50 PM
 O0


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on January 06, 2013, 10:33:24 AM
Added an entry for James Lewis, the putative author of the DYS novelization.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: noodles_leone on January 07, 2013, 07:43:00 AM
That or "Li'l Jenkins' Opinions Palace".

More seriously, a couple entries' subjectivity can probably be put into question. That doesn't mean that the (amazing) whole work should be put into question.
Especially since you can always suggest edits. I'll let DJ defend himself but he usually waits for the ending of an argument in a dedicated thread on a matter to update the appropriate entry here.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: noodles_leone on January 07, 2013, 07:44:48 AM
And here is, summed up, my previous post:

Obviously, the above is a work in progress. I'm hoping the board and its members will like the idea and want to contribute. Suggestions welcome.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: Groggy on January 07, 2013, 09:38:59 AM
More seriously, a couple entries' subjectivity can probably be put into question. That doesn't mean that the (amazing) whole work should be put into question.

Agreed.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: Groggy on January 08, 2013, 04:46:15 AM
All encyclopedia publishers make editorial decisions. Jenkins created it, he can put what he likes there.

In any case, it's not like this is being published as the Official Sergio Leone Encyclopedia. It's a post on a message board. Simmer down.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: Groggy on January 08, 2013, 07:02:15 AM
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-GBrgWXi5xIc/TqFulrWEgPI/AAAAAAAABwM/MtM4uHfcQLs/s226/mr-freeze%2520copy.jpg)


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: noodles_leone on January 08, 2013, 07:25:33 AM
Couple steps back.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: Groggy on January 08, 2013, 07:38:27 AM
If Drink must suffah, den huMENitee vill su-FUH wit-imm!


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: Groggy on January 08, 2013, 11:26:41 AM
More offensive than Jenkins' subjectivity is his misspelling Randolph Scott.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on January 08, 2013, 12:46:35 PM
More offensive than Jenkins' subjectivity is his misspelling Randolph Scott.
Fixed.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: noodles_leone on January 11, 2013, 08:52:31 AM
More offensive than Jenkins' subjectivity is his misspelling Randolph Scott.

And his broken Avatar.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on May 19, 2014, 11:16:11 AM
Just added Sergio Salvati to list, my new hero!


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: noodles_leone on May 19, 2014, 11:32:17 AM
Over a year after my comment, you still didn't upload a new avatar, did you? Is this encyclopedia really open to constructive criticism? Are you Asian?


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on May 10, 2016, 10:23:52 AM
New entry added for Hanley, Peter J.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on June 01, 2016, 09:39:14 AM
New entry added, thanks to Hanley, Peter J.
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"Every gun makes its own tune." Blondie's statement late in the film after hearing gunfire in the town destroyed by cannonade, indicating that he now knows Tuco is close by. But the gun Tuco is using at this point is one he acquired after parting company with Blondie, so Blondie has never heard it fired before. How then is he able to recognize Tuco's weapon? Hanley offers a solution: it is not the sonic properties of the pistol, but the rhythmic firing pattern that gives Tuco away. "A distinct pattern of pistol shots is heard, five shots in rapid succession, a pause, then a final shot [this 5:1 pattern is the signature of Tuco . . . ]" (p. 313). Hanley hears that pattern in the film's opening shoot-out (involving Al Muloch and company), and sees it demonstrated in Buffalo Wallow when Tuco takes target practice with the wooden Indians. Perhaps, then, Blondie's later reference is not to Tuco's weapon; Tuco himself is the "gun."


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: stanton on June 01, 2016, 02:35:10 PM
Let's call it instead some kind of continuity error. That makes more sense.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 01, 2016, 05:23:34 PM
Anyway, so far as we have seen, Blondie has never seen Tuco shoot before that moment he hears the gun in the bombed-out town, no?

Peter's theory is cute but probably wrong.


If Blondie did hear Tuco shoot, I have a nutty theory as to how Tuco got his own gun back: Firsly, how did Tuco lose his gun? It was presimably taken away from him when he was brought to the Union camp. How did he escape the Union's clutches? By jumping off a Union train and killing Wallace. Maybe it Wallace who confiscated his pistol in the first place, which he held onto all along ... And then Tuco stole the same pistol back from Wallace's dead body  ^-^


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on June 01, 2016, 05:44:12 PM
Let's call it instead some kind of continuity error. That makes more sense.
You are the most boring man alive.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: cigar joe on June 01, 2016, 07:02:09 PM
New entry added, thanks to Hanley, Peter J.

He got it from us, change the entry. We covered extensively this a while back check it out: http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=2334.msg20993#msg20993


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: stanton on June 02, 2016, 02:33:26 AM
You are the most boring man alive.

He he, not really ...


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on June 02, 2016, 05:41:06 AM
He got it from us, change the entry. We covered extensively this a while back check it out: http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=2334.msg20993#msg20993
Thanks. Yes, I'll add the link and credit board members for their contribution.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: Novecento on June 02, 2016, 05:42:51 PM
I think the mistake here is attempting to take a Leone film literally. Once you start doing that, a whole host of questions come up. For Leone, it was about the style in which it was said or done, not in what was actually said or done.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: noodles_leone on June 03, 2016, 10:29:24 AM
I'm sure Tuco and Blondie have been together far more than during the few scenes we witness. They know each other very well at this point. Blondie has probably seen Tuco use his gun a lot, which is the deep meaning of that sentence, whether he's talking about the gun or about the shooter. That being said, he's of course talking about the shooter.

1) Because this explanation works so perfectly both from a logical standpoint and a mythological one that I don't see how anyone would try to look further.
2) Because any other explanation is flawed.
3) Because any other explanation is boring.
4) Novecento is probably right anyway.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on June 03, 2016, 10:35:35 AM
1) Because this explanation works so perfectly both from a logical standpoint and a mythological one that I don't see how anyone would try to look further.
2) Because any other explanation is flawed.
3) Because any other explanation is boring.
4) Novecento is probably right anyway.
Right but irrelevant. It's like someone insisting that Doyle wrote the Sherlock Holmes stories and not Watson. Dickhead!


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 03, 2016, 12:44:26 PM
eh, so there's a point so that's not properly explained. Not the first time there was something in a Leone movie that was not properly brought out.

What about FAFDM - how did Manco and Mortimer both wind up in El Paso? They both figured out that first thing that Indio would do upon being sprung from prison is to rob the biggest bank in the territory? and what exactly were they going to do once the bank robbery happened? In fact, why'd they have to wait for the bank robbery? There was already a huge reward on the gang; they should have nabbed them right away - what the hell need to wait for the bank robbery?


Also in FAFDM, the bit about Manco and his leather gauntlet is not properly brought out, as Frayling points out in the commentary. I think this was in the script but not brought out properly in the movie. Manco is supposed to have this trademark leather gauntlet on his right wrist, and he is supposed to do everything with his left hand, thereby keeping his right hand free at all times in case he has to draw. And he is supposed to be known for the gauntlet - that's why, when Indio catches him stealing the money in Agua Caliente, just before the gang beats him, Indio holds up the gauntlet and says, "Here, put it on," like as if he is saying, "Here - I've caught you, I know who you are." But the movie itself never explains what "Manco" means, this bit about him being called "Manco - One Handed" for using just his left hand, as well as the trademark gauntlet, has been written about, probably by those who've seen the script and know what it's supposed to mean, but there's a little something missing in the movie on that point, it's not explained properly.

So what? FAFDM is still probably my favorite movie of all-time  :) :) :)


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on June 03, 2016, 01:24:08 PM
So what? FAFDM is still probably my favorite movie of all-time  :) :) :)
Probably because it's Leone's answer to Cheech and Chong. I got your number.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: Novecento on June 03, 2016, 01:47:22 PM
It's like someone insisting...

... that there is also no point asking why no-one sees people approaching before they appear from the edge of the screen.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on June 04, 2016, 03:28:00 PM
... that there is also no point asking why no-one sees people approaching before they appear from the edge of the screen.
Well, yeah, there IS that.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 05, 2016, 12:43:07 PM
One more thing they shoulda done differently: When Blondie and Tuco set the dynamite on the bridge, it woulda made more sense if they had gone to the other side of teh bridge, width-wise. Looks like they could have hid better over there. As it is in the movie, they are right in front of everyone, setting dynamite to the bridge in  full view of two armies who both want the bridge intact, and nobody says Boo .... they shoulda just crossed under the width of the bridge to the other side, where it seems they could have hid much better  ;)


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: Novecento on June 05, 2016, 08:00:09 PM
One more thing they shoulda done differently...

Wait.. what were the other things they shoulda done differently?


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 05, 2016, 09:51:57 PM
Wait.. what were the other things they shoulda done differently?
Shown the full-frontal footage of our heroes having a threesome.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: noodles_leone on June 06, 2016, 06:31:27 AM
Wait.. what were the other things they shoulda done differently?

They shouldn't have shown Drink the film.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: dave jenkins on May 22, 2017, 09:49:23 AM
Added entry for the documentary Sad Hill Unearthed. Will update when it's released.


Title: Re: SL Encyclopedia
Post by: cigar joe on May 22, 2017, 11:40:13 AM
cool O0