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Films of Sergio Leone => A Fistful of Dollars => Topic started by: Tucumcari Bound on July 11, 2007, 11:03:56 PM

Title: Is Volonte credited under a different name?
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 11, 2007, 11:03:56 PM
I'm sorry if this has been discussed here before but I re-watched it tonight and didn't find Velonte's name in the credits. He must of went by a different name back then if I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: Is Velonte credited under a different name?
Post by: Jill on July 12, 2007, 04:54:29 AM
Of course, he is Johnny Wels  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Is Velonte credited under a different name?
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 12, 2007, 08:02:15 AM
Of course, he is Johnny Wels  ;D ;D ;D

I knew you would know Jill being you're so much in love with him. I should have just asked you.  ;)
Title: Re: Is Velonte credited under a different name?
Post by: Silenzio on July 12, 2007, 08:26:33 AM
yeah, everyone's credited under a different name.  I'm sure you knew about Bob Robertson.
Title: Re: Is Velonte credited under a different name?
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 12, 2007, 08:38:48 AM
yeah, everyone's credited under a different name.  I'm sure you knew about Bob Robertson.

Yes I knew about that. On the DVD though it states Sergio Leone directed. I dunno why they didn't change Velonte to his proper name.
Title: Re: Is Velonte credited under a different name?
Post by: Silenzio on July 12, 2007, 08:40:48 AM
Yes I knew about that. On the DVD though it states Sergio Leone directed. I dunno why they didn't change Velonte to his proper name.

Huh, you're right, that is strange.

EDIT: I remember I learned the Johnny Wels/Bob Robertson from watching the FAFDM trailer, where they outright say that they changed the names.
Title: Re: Is Velonte credited under a different name?
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 12, 2007, 08:49:39 AM
Huh, you're right, that is strange.

EDIT: I remember I learned the Johnny Wels/Bob Robertson from watching the FAFDM trailer, where they outright say that they changed the names.

Yeah, that trailer is pretty funny. I like it none the less.
Title: Re: Is Velonte credited under a different name?
Post by: Silenzio on July 12, 2007, 08:50:45 AM
Yeah, that trailer is pretty funny. I like it none the less.

I like it too.  O0
Title: Re: Is Velonte credited under a different name?
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 12, 2007, 09:00:04 AM
I like it too.  O0

well that's because you have great taste silenzio.  O0
Title: Re: Is Velonte credited under a different name?
Post by: Silenzio on July 12, 2007, 09:04:56 AM
well that's because you have great taste silenzio.  O0

 ;D
Title: Re: Is Volonte credited under a different name?
Post by: dave jenkins on July 12, 2007, 10:14:37 PM
BTW: Volonte=Will . . . and its a small matter then to substitute an "e' for an "i" and add an "s" (info courtesy of Frayling).
Title: Re: Is Volonte credited under a different name?
Post by: Silenzio on July 12, 2007, 10:17:42 PM
BTW: Volonte=Will . . . and its a small matter then to substitute an "e' for an "i" and add an "s" (info courtesy of Frayling).

Huh, interesting.
Title: Re: Is Velonte credited under a different name?
Post by: Sonny on July 12, 2007, 10:43:25 PM
well that's because you have great taste silenzio.  O0

oh no, don't boost his ego even more!!! he's way up there, trust me.. ;D
Title: Re: Is Velonte credited under a different name?
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 12, 2007, 10:47:45 PM
oh no, don't boost his ego even more!!! he's way up there, trust me.. ;D

I think you're right. I've found that out quite a bit today.  ???
Title: Re: Is Volonte credited under a different name?
Post by: Tuco the ugly on July 12, 2007, 11:18:03 PM
BTW: Volonte=Will . . . and its a small matter then to substitute an "e' for an "i" and add an "s" (info courtesy of Frayling).

Volonta means will.

Volonte is a surname-free-use of the that.
Title: Re: Is Volonte credited under a different name?
Post by: Jill on July 13, 2007, 06:03:57 AM
And Gian (Gianni, Giovanni) means John.

See Don Giovanni.  ;)
Title: Re: Is Volonte credited under a different name?
Post by: dave jenkins on July 13, 2007, 07:32:19 AM
Got it it. "John Wells" is gonna make a great entry in the SL Encyclopedia!
Title: Re: Is Volonte credited under a different name?
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 18, 2012, 06:38:50 AM
I guess that once the film was successful and re-released, Leone took the opportunity to put his real name in the credits. But everyone else's fake name remained! Therefore, in the versions of the movie we have today, it says Directed by Sergio Leone, but many of the other names are the fake American names (eg. Johnny Wells for Volonte, Dan Savio for Morricone, Benny Reeves for Benito Stefanelli, etc.) But I just bought the Italian RHV Blu Ray, and that version does say Bob Robertson! Not sure if it's copied from an earlier print before Leone put his real name into the credits, or if Leone never used his real name in Italian prints.

question for any Italians on this board: how do you pronounce the name Gian? I have heard it pronounced so many different ways by Americans and Englishmen. Is it "JEE-AN?" or like how the French say "Jean?" or is the G pronounced as in Gorilla?
Title: Re: Is Volonte credited under a different name?
Post by: stanton on July 18, 2012, 11:24:31 AM
Jee -an



(but I'm not an Italian)
Title: Re: Is Volonte credited under a different name?
Post by: Leonardo on July 19, 2012, 12:00:42 AM
Jee -an



(but I'm not an Italian)
But I am: it is pronounced Jee-An, but the double "ee" is very short and the accent is on the "An" . Pronounce it like Django without the "go" at the end.
Title: Re: Is Volonte credited under a different name?
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 19, 2012, 12:27:36 AM
But I am: it is pronounced Jee-An, but the double "ee" is very short and the accent is on the "An" . Pronounce it like Django without the "go" at the end.


I am not sure I understand you: "Django without the 'go' at the end" sounds just like "Jane." Are you saying that the name "Gian" is pronounced "Jane?"

Or is it pronounced like "Jay-ahn"?

The narrator of the FAFDM trailer (which introduces him as "John Wells, the great actor Gian Maria Volonte"  ;D) here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk7XHtvDZ_E pronounces "Gian" as a one-syllable word -- the "ia" combine to make a single vowel sound, like an "Ahhhhhh."  Is he correct? Or should the "i" and the "a" be pronounced as two distinct vowel sounds?

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btw,  my understanding is that in general, while English places the emphasis on the first syllable of a word, many other languages place the emphasis on the last syllable.
Title: Re: Is Volonte credited under a different name?
Post by: stanton on July 19, 2012, 01:13:23 AM
No, the "a" in Django is not spoken like the "a" in Jane, but like the "a" in "after". Django is of course not an English name.

Jee-an is probably not correct for an English speaker.
Jee-un sounds more like it with the syllable "un" spoken like in "unreal" or similar words.
Title: Re: Is Volonte credited under a different name?
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 19, 2012, 02:03:39 AM
Thanks.

Truth is,  I am not all that worried about the precise pronunciation of a particular vowel. It's just that I've heard so many different pronunciations of it, I just wanted to make sure I had the basic idea correct, and that it is not supposed to be pronounced like the narrator of the trailer says it, or with the "G" like in "gorilla."
Title: Re: Is Volonte credited under a different name?
Post by: stanton on July 19, 2012, 03:59:05 AM
But in the trailer it doesn't sound wrong. Maybe for Leonardo's ear, but for me it sounds close to how I would speak it.
Title: Re: Is Volonte credited under a different name?
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 19, 2012, 09:10:46 AM
In the trailer, it's a one-syllable word.
But I believe Frayling pronounces it "Jee -- an," with two syllables. Even though Frayling is a Brit and they'd use different vowel sounds, I assume he would try to get the correct number of syllables. Again, I am not all that worried about the precise pronunciation of the vowel sounds; I just wanna know if the word is two syllable or one.
Title: Re: Is Volonte credited under a different name?
Post by: cigar joe on July 19, 2012, 01:28:33 PM
I have a cousin her name is the female version of it, it is Gianna its pronounced Jee-on-na
Title: Re: Is Volonte credited under a different name?
Post by: Leonardo on July 20, 2012, 04:25:57 AM
No, the "a" in Django is not spoken like the "a" in Jane, but like the "a" in "after". Django is of course not an English name.

Jee-an is probably not correct for an English speaker.
Jee-un sounds more like it with the syllable "un" spoken like in "unreal" or similar words.
Stanton your are right. The G is pronounced exactly like the letter G in english (G.I.Joe G-Man etc) and then you have to add "An" with the "a" pronounced like in "after" and remember to put the accent on "an" and keep the G very short.
Title: Re: Is Volonte credited under a different name?
Post by: stanton on July 20, 2012, 04:42:39 AM
And it has 2 syllables not one, but spoken fast.

Leonardo just for fun, could you check the trailer which is linked in one of Drinks posts above. For me the Gian there sounds good.
Title: Re: Is Volonte credited under a different name?
Post by: Leonardo on July 20, 2012, 06:05:51 AM
And it has 2 syllables not one, but spoken fast.

Leonardo just for fun, could you check the trailer which is linked in one of Drinks posts above. For me the Gian there sounds good.
Yep, just checked the trailer and it sounds good. O0
Title: Re: Is Volonte credited under a different name?
Post by: stanton on July 20, 2012, 11:16:44 AM
Then Drink has his answer.
Title: Re: Is Volonte credited under a different name?
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 21, 2012, 09:48:56 PM
Thanks for your help guys, but I am kind of confused. On the one hand you say it is two syllables (spoken fast), but on the other hand you say that the trailer is correct. But the narrator in the trailer clearly says it as one syllable! (He pronounces it as "Jahn", with the vowel sound as "aaaaahhhhhhhhh") If the number of "syllables" in a word = the number of vowel sounds in that word   I don't see how you can possibly say that the narrator uses 2 syllables. He pronounces the "ia" as one sound, not as two distinct sounds!
Title: Re: Is Volonte credited under a different name?
Post by: stanton on July 22, 2012, 12:45:05 AM
Maybe I'm wrong. For that you have to ask the Italians.

If Gian was a German word (which it ain't) it would be 2 syllables.
Title: Re: Is Volonte credited under a different name?
Post by: Leonardo on July 23, 2012, 02:34:10 AM
Maybe I'm wrong. For that you have to ask the Italians.

If Gian was a German word (which it ain't) it would be 2 syllables.
When I said that in the trailer it sounds Ok, I meant of course taking into consideration that it was pronounced by an english speaking person.
It is in fact a one syllable word which is short for Gianni which in turn is short for Giovanni (=John). Gian is used only if there are two first names like in this case Gian Maria.
To come back to the pronounciation, one syllable, keep it short and put  the accent on the "a" as in "after".