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Title: Django (1966)
Post by: Mann ohne Namen on October 08, 2003, 01:27:38 PM
Halleluja Companeros.


Next Thuesday comes our limited Django Box in a coffin.

Im very happy, cause Django is one of my personal all time favorite Italowestern.

(http://www.video-total.de/ebay/DRANGO_HOLZSARG.jpg)

It includes an Digipack with the 3 Franco Nero Movies :D :-*


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: The Smoker on October 14, 2003, 09:57:42 AM
Do you have any more info on this release?

Looks great!  :o


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: DJIMBO on March 24, 2004, 07:23:35 AM
saw django for the first time today...bought video off ebay.
Extremely violent, ridiculously over the top and unrealistic, far more so than leones films, and quite stylish in a way despite really cheap editing and sets. Nowhere near as good as leone but i cant imagine many of the spaghetti westerns are: the others ive seen are downright terrible whereas this one had some panache to it.

Despite its general weirdness, its strangely compelling, though i dont think its a film to show ur missus.

If anyone else has any thoughts on Django, id be intrigued to hear them.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: General Sibley on March 24, 2004, 04:38:42 PM
The non-Leone spaghettis are pretty bizarre stuff.  I definitely don't seek them out, but on the rare occasions when they happen to be on TV I'll take a peek for a few minutes.  Last one I saw was with LVC and was on at 3am.  "Return of Something or Another" - wow, it was incredibly bad.  AngelEyes apparently would take any role, "that's why they pay me"


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: redyred on March 25, 2004, 04:40:00 AM
I love Django. While I don't think the film overall is as good as your average Leone, I'd say that the character Django is easily the coolest spaghetti western anti-hero. For example, in the gunfight in the bar, about 20 minutes into the film, he shoots one of the colonel's men over his shoulder, without even looking! How awesome is that? And then, whereas most heroes would arrange a duel with just their main enemy, Django tells the entire gang of 50 men to meet him. It looks like he's done for, but then he whips out a Gatling gun on their asses and mows them all down!

On non-Leones in general, I'd say I've yet to see a bad spaghetti western. True, some (most?) have very bad dubbing, plot holes you could drive a bus through and Leone rip-offs galore, but even the worst clearly have intelligence and initiative behind them, as well as amazing action and beautiful landscapes.

On a side note, isn't it ironic that the spaghettis were noted for their amazing landscape shots but were mostly filmed in Europe, while John Ford movies could have used real American west scenes, but so often resorted to terrible looking backdrops?


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 25, 2004, 09:55:36 AM
Djimbo
check out A Proffesional Gun, also Franco Nero, or the two Terence Hill Trinitys', they're pretty good and could change your opinion of non Leone SW's. Or even Django Kill for a bit of ultra violence.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: El Bon on March 25, 2004, 05:04:58 PM
i would also recommend the Big Gundown, Face to Face, Kill and Pray, A Bullet For the General, Companeros and The Great Silence.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: DJIMBO on March 26, 2004, 04:01:05 AM
i think ive just been unfortunate in that ive only seen a handful of non-leone's and theyve all been bad, except for django.

strangely enough theyve all had lee van cleef in too - el condor, captain apache and bad man's river - jesus they were god awful films! even the presence of van cleef couldnt alter the terrible quality.

but ive heard great silence, big gundown, keoma and the trinities are supposed to be quite good so i hope to see them.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: cigar joe on March 26, 2004, 04:49:45 AM
Our local dvd-video rental store has both Captian Apache and Bad Man's River, I bit on Captian Apache, what crap, like oit was just thrown together to make a quick buck. Those are its only examples of non Leone SW's sad. Its enough to put off for life anyone interested in sampling non Leone SW's


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Tucster on March 26, 2004, 03:54:08 PM
Also check out Death rides A Horse & Day of Anger is you enjoy Lee Van Cleef.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: cigar joe on May 13, 2004, 03:53:05 AM
Quote
 saw django for the first time today...bought video off ebay.
Extremely violent, ridiculously over the top and unrealistic, far more so than leones films, and quite stylish in a way despite really cheap editing and sets. Nowhere near as good as leone but i cant imagine many of the spaghetti westerns are: the others ive seen are downright terrible whereas this one had some panache to it.

Despite its general weirdness, its strangely compelling, though i dont think its a film to show ur missus.

If anyone else has any thoughts on Django, id be intrigued to hear them.

Well I finally saw it and would have to agree with most of what you say. Django is definitely a cool character, but the rest of the characterizations are ridiculous and most of the storyline. Its red hooded klansmen were a bit over-the-top, the mexicans likewise. The town set with its muddy streets was great and very realistic, the quicksand ravine absurd, looked like sawdust & water.

I couldn't help laugh when Django steals the gold with his coffin hauling it over the roofs and then down a chimney.

The music was mostly "B" western.

It just looked overall cheap genre explotation material. I did enjoy the Franco Nero interview though.

Ok now the big question, is Keoma way better than this? How about the others?


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Nobody on May 13, 2004, 04:44:12 AM
If anyone disliked Django, they should stay away from the sequel. It's terrible. I think Django is great over the top fun, but I actually liked Keoma even more. The Peckinpah slow motion, the symbolism, and Leonard Cohen wannabe soundtrack. Plus it has Woody Strode in it.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: cigar joe on May 13, 2004, 04:59:31 PM
Thanks Nobody.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: redyred on May 14, 2004, 04:07:03 PM
The Great Silence is also amazing. Try it if you want something a bit more clever and sophisticated than the average non-Leone.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: mortimer on May 18, 2004, 07:51:11 AM
I enjoyed the Great Silence alot and a Bullet for the General to a lesser degree. The only 2 non leones I have seen in their entirety. Man that Kinski is a heckuva viilian. Getting the western channel added and I see they have a few sw on the schedule.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: grandpa_chum on May 18, 2004, 08:45:19 PM
best non-leone spaghettie western = death rides a horse... django i think is a close second though


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: redyred on May 19, 2004, 02:42:36 PM
What about Faccia a Faccia? Surely deserves a mention.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: cigar joe on May 19, 2004, 04:03:51 PM
And you guys probably haven't seen "The Big Gundown" either, lol.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: DJIMBO on May 20, 2004, 06:08:40 AM
yet 2 see any sollima but i cant imagine theyre much better than Great Silence and much worse than Django.

Sorry Django fans but i really dont see the fascination with this film. Great Silence is far better.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: rddesq on May 21, 2004, 06:42:08 AM
yet 2 see any sollima but i cant imagine theyre much better than Great Silence and much worse than Django.

Sorry Django fans but i really dont see the fascination with this film. Great Silence is far better.

I totally agree.  Django is way overated and not even n the same class as The Great Silence.  I have yet to see the Big Gundown but after the Leone westerns The Great Silence is the best of the rest.  Django's opening draging the coffin is cool but the movie quickly goes down hill from there.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: cigar joe on May 22, 2004, 05:58:14 AM
I think some of the critical confusion results from who the films were made for. Django resonated more with its Italian audiences and European audiences, a film made for their consumption, Leone's films broke out internationally and more importantly eclisped the genre here in the home of the western in North America.

I believe I've read that Django made more dinero in Italy than any of Leone's films.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: mortimer on May 22, 2004, 11:02:43 AM
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And you guys probably haven't seen "The Big Gundown" either, lol.

You're right about that cigar joe, but it is on the western channel on the 28th! :P This channel rocks!


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: redyred on May 22, 2004, 12:13:01 PM
Sadly I have no western channel. But I am hopefulyl watching my Professional Gun DVD tonight  :D


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: cigar joe on May 22, 2004, 10:41:09 PM
redyred give us a critique.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: redyred on May 23, 2004, 04:46:17 AM
I didn't actually get time to see it in the end, and tonight I'm working. But I'll almost definately watch it monday night, then start a new topic reviewing it.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: cigar joe on May 26, 2004, 05:28:54 PM
I had this great idea for a theory on SW's. That the ones that we Norte Americanos liked were the ones that had at least all or some of their main characters speaking english and the rest even though dubbed wouldn't really be that noticeable and accepted. The other major criteria would be a good story, Morricone score, and good production values.

Those that were entierly dubbed would be less accepted.

This would be true for all Leone westerns, Great Silence had Frank Wolf, Big Gundown & Death Rides a Horse Sabatta - Van Cleef, Keoma - Woody Strode.

What do you guys think? And see if this theory holds true for the Spaghetti's that star your native actors.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: DJIMBO on May 27, 2004, 06:22:19 AM
but im british so where do i stand...and ive always been more pro-european than pro-american. lol  ;D


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Blueberry on May 27, 2004, 07:09:25 AM
... and what about Scandinavians? Since we are used to subtitles instead of dubbing of foreign films (that's what they do in Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Poland, etc.) it's very hard for us to watch anything that's not "original" versions of films (soundwise). It has to be done very well, and to this day, it is still the thing that bothers me the most about Leones films. And many other Italian films, by the way.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Nobody on May 27, 2004, 07:44:45 AM
Thanks to Blue Underground, we can all watch Django with its original italian audio. Franco Neros voice has always annoyed me in the dubbed version. It doesn't sound like him at all. Since there aren't any english speaking actors, there is no need to see this film dubbed. I really like the film though. The town is so filthy and dirty, quite unlike any other western town. In fact, everything about the film is filthy and dirty...and hilarious.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: duval on June 01, 2004, 09:55:25 AM
I checked out Django on Amazon UK...it says it is unrated and region 0 what does this mean...will it work on my region 2 DVD player. I saw both Django and Django Kill if you live shoot on filmfour and thought they were great.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Nobody on June 01, 2004, 10:15:59 AM
Region 0 will work on a region 2 player.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: duval on October 31, 2004, 01:41:18 PM
I noticed that a new DVD release of Django is out on Amazon.co.uk I was wondering whether or not the old 2 disk release was better or the new one (which incidentally has been rated 15 by the BBFC unlike the previous release which was unrated)


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Nobody on October 31, 2004, 02:51:30 PM
You can read a review of the disc here:
http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=12993

I'd rather go with Blue Undergrounds release, which supposedly has better video quality, plus optional italian audio. Both releases are uncut though.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: KERMIT on November 02, 2004, 05:17:47 AM
You can read a review of the disc here:
http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=12993

I'd rather go with Blue Undergrounds release, which supposedly has better video quality, plus optional italian audio. Both releases are uncut though.
duval, nobodys got the right idea.  
go with blue underground on this deal.  


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: duval on November 07, 2004, 02:20:32 PM
it appears to be a part of a larger boxset. does anyone know where i can purchase this in britain


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: El Bon on November 08, 2004, 11:32:57 AM
Yes it is called The Spaghetti Western collection. The other films are Django Kill, Mannaja and Run Man Run. I got mine from www.play.com If you check on www.dvdpricecheck.co.uk you can also get the best price.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: cigar joe on December 10, 2004, 09:52:33 PM
Rewatched Django again for some laughs it does have some inspired moments I must admit, lol. The interviews are priceless bits of info for all SW fans.

I did pay particular attention to the machine gun and it is just a prop. If you look closely the bullets on the belt are not feeding into the gun, its just flashing and sparking.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: indio on December 11, 2004, 12:02:00 PM
i watched Django for the first time last week, its very trashy compared with SL. BUT it does have something and it had over 20 sequels!
Plenty for Tarratino to pinch ( ear cutting )
Reminded me a lot of Fistful of dollars.
Their is one strange thing though .. i can't stop singing the theme tune. i tested this on other people and they are the same!
all together now.... DJANGO..


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: spag fan on December 12, 2004, 01:36:25 PM
Yep. That is one catchy tune. :)


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: The Smoker on December 13, 2004, 05:14:14 AM
DJANGO!

Django, have you always been alone?

CHORUS: DJANGO!

Django, have you never loved again?
Love will live on, Oh Oh Oh...
Life must go on, Oh Oh Oh...
For you cannot spend you life regreatting.

CHORUS: DJANGO!

Django, you must face another day.

CHORUS: DJANGO!

Django, now your love has gone away.
Once you loved her, whoa-oh...
Now you've lost her, whoa-oh-oh-oh...
But you've lost her for-ever, Django.

When there are clouds in the skies, and they are grey.
You may be sad but remember that love will pass away.

Oh Django!
After the showers is the sun.
Will be shining...

[instrumental solo]

Once you loved her, Whoa-oh...
Now you've lost her, Whoa-oh-oh-oh...
But you've lost her for-ever, Django.

When there are clouds in the skies, and they are grey.
You may be sad but remember that love will pass away.

Oh Django!
After the showers is the sun.
Will be shining...

Django!

Oh Oh Oh Django!

You must go on,

Oh Oh Oh Django...


Sure is Spag Fan... your bloody humming it for hours  ;D nice shadows' style jazz stratocaster playing.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: indio on December 13, 2004, 05:23:31 AM
Brilliant!! ;D


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: redyred on December 13, 2004, 09:05:24 AM
My band covers it


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: indio on December 13, 2004, 09:08:26 AM
Are you serious!! thats great.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: KERMIT on December 13, 2004, 09:42:45 AM
My band covers it

does your band do ecstasy of gold ? any other morricone songs ? ?
what instrument do you play ? ? ?  


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: spag fan on December 13, 2004, 03:08:54 PM
That is great! I wish my band was that cool. I can imagine the looks on their faces if I even approached them with that one! ;D

I always thought it would be cool to have a band that did Spag themes exclusively. It'd be tough to arrange all that orchestral stuff for a standard band though. Still, it's a cool thought.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: cigar joe on December 13, 2004, 03:57:54 PM
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That is great! I wish my band was that cool. I can imagine the looks on their faces if I even approached them with that one!

I always thought it would be cool to have a band that did Spag themes exclusively. It'd be tough to arrange all that orchestral stuff for a standard band though. Still, it's a cool thought.


IT would be tough to get gigs too, lol!


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: redyred on December 14, 2004, 10:09:34 AM
does your band do ecstasy of gold ? any other morricone songs ? ?
what instrument do you play ? ? ?  


We don't cover any other Morricone yet, but I'm not ruling it out. However, other songs I've written myself include a Dollars trilogy title theme style instrumental, and a few vaguely Morricone influenced Latin American style songs. Other than that we mainly do celtic and eastern European stuff.

We haven't been around that long, and we've all been really busy lately, but hopefully we'll start jamming again in the New Year. We have pretty good connections in the local music industry, so we'll have no trouble getting gigs and recording once we're ready. I'll be sure to post links to mp3s on here once their ready.

I play the banjo and sing. We also have in our lineup drums, bass, guitar, accordian and mandolin.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: cigar joe on December 14, 2004, 10:51:46 AM
cool  links  ;D


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: KERMIT on December 14, 2004, 11:28:19 AM
We don't cover any other Morricone yet, but I'm not ruling it out. However, other songs I've written myself include a Dollars trilogy title theme style instrumental, and a few vaguely Morricone influenced Latin American style songs. Other than that we mainly do celtic and eastern European stuff.

We haven't been around that long, and we've all been really busy lately, but hopefully we'll start jamming again in the New Year. We have pretty good connections in the local music industry, so we'll have no trouble getting gigs and recording once we're ready. I'll be sure to post links to mp3s on here once their ready.

I play the banjo and sing. We also have in our lineup drums, bass, guitar, accordian and mandolin.
consider one record sold already  ;)  keep us informed


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: KERMIT on December 14, 2004, 11:31:25 AM
could someone tell me which is the best of the django films. django the bastard ? or django ? ect.  ;D


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: indio on December 14, 2004, 12:47:03 PM
i would say the first , Django with Franco Nero. its a trashy version of Fistful of dollars in a way.Which is Yojimbo anyway.
Great theme tune, muddy town and something great in that coffin!
one of the better spg. westerns.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: KERMIT on December 14, 2004, 05:38:06 PM
thanks indio  ;D


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: DJIMBO on December 15, 2004, 09:14:32 AM
Kermit, Corbucci's Django might be the best of the Django series, but thats not really saying alot, its a trashy, poor, pale imitation of Fistful of Dollars and i'd advise you not to pay any more than 5 quid for it.  :-\

Another one, Viva Django, is even worse. thats got Terence Hill as Django and he's just so unbelievable as Django, with the blond hair and all is clearly supposed 2 be.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: KERMIT on December 15, 2004, 08:43:44 PM
Kermit, Corbucci's Django might be the best of the Django series, but thats not really saying alot, its a trashy, poor, pale imitation of Fistful of Dollars and i'd advise you not to pay any more than 5 quid for it.  :-\

Another one, Viva Django, is even worse. thats got Terence Hill as Django and he's just so unbelievable as Django, with the blond hair and all is clearly supposed 2 be.
thanks DJIMBO.  i'll keep this in mind.  ;)


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Tim on February 11, 2005, 07:21:48 PM
  Django Kill is like a spaghetti western on acid.  The uncut Blue Underground DVD has all that shocking violence(horses blown up, gold bullets dug out of a dying man's stomach, scalping) and a whole gang of homosexual outlaws. 

  Now if that isn't a western, I don't know what it.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Bill Carson on March 01, 2005, 12:39:00 PM
 8) hola amigos! I've been thinking about buying DJANGO and DJANGO KILL for quite a while (but I've got a dvd back catalogue / wish-list a mile long!) and so far, I've read mixed things here... KERMIT don't like it none! oh well, I guess I'll check them out soon enough. 


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Fortean on March 05, 2005, 08:50:14 PM
IMHO Django is all about style and creativity.

It manages to do things in a way more memorable than most spags.

The story is alright, nothing special but not the worst, the acting I'd classify the same way. Even the special effects are only passable really.

What sets it apart are the man carrying a gatling gun (or a rough approximation of one) around in a coffin, and then at the end of the movie he uses a tombstone to pull the trigger when he's rendered incapable.

Watch this movie for a good mindless treat. It's better than popcorn alone. When you want to sit down and appreciate the subtleties of Italian cinema, pop in a Leone film or The Big Gundown.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Christopher on March 10, 2005, 08:36:10 AM
I just watched Django last night. It did remind me a little of A Fistful of Dollars, as some of you have mentioned. At first, I wasn't sure about it. Django seems a little wordier than the Man with No Name. I thought maybe some of that could have been cut down. I've actually heard people razz Clint Eastwood's acting in the SW's, but they've probably never seen anybody else in those movies. Nero isn't bad, but he doesn't have the presence Eastwood has on screen.

But the movie did win me over, and overall, I really enjoyed it. Corbucci was a capable director, and in fact I hadn't realized I had seen one of his movies, Super Fuzz with Terence Hill, many years ago. Django really held my attention and I couldn't wait to see how it would all work out in the end.

The Great Silence is really starting to sound interesting to me as well.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: JoeH on March 10, 2005, 09:17:43 AM
I agree with Christopher. Django isn't as good as Leone's westerns, Franco Nero doesn't act great, but I think Django is a really cool character (one of the coolest ever!) and the film has a lot of good scenes. Only in the middle of the film the story gets a bit uninteresting and sometimes it's too brutal. But all in all one of the very good westerns.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: cigar joe on March 10, 2005, 04:50:44 PM
Boy oh boy you guys are just gonna love "The Great Silence", "The Mercenary", and "Companeros", then.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: DJIMBO on March 10, 2005, 05:10:17 PM
just to warn u guys, i havent seen A Professional Gun and Companeros but The Great Silence is as good a non-leone Spaghetti as there is, and IMO better than The Big Gundown, certainly better than Django. It comes highly recommended.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: cigar joe on March 11, 2005, 04:40:39 AM
A Profesional Gun is the cut version of The Mercenary, its been called Corbucci's most polished western and I agree, it will remind you of a sort of combo GBU & DYS, Companero's is a sort of reworked TM, made a bit more for laughs to reflect the trend in SW's at the time, Its got a very cool opening/ending standoff (most of the film is flashback). Both have great Morricone scores, these two are a must for anyones SW collection.

Don't get me wrong the Great silence is also great but Corbucci had way bigger budgets (Albert Grimaldi, too) and it shows, for C & TM. If he had had the same for TGS it would have been even better than it is.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: JoeH on March 11, 2005, 04:43:16 AM
Yeah, I've already seen The Great Silence and I LOVE it. In my opinion one of the best westerns ever made, story, characters, landscape and atmoshpere are just magnificent. I think I'm gonna watch The Mercenary soon and we'll see if it's as good as I expect. Unfortunately I haven't found Companeros in German yet, so I have to leave on the good, old TV.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Marco Leone on March 11, 2005, 02:42:26 PM
If you can ignore the dubbing (which is quite possibly the worst ever - Nero looks great, but that voice they gave him..... no wonder he decided to start doing his own voices) Django is a classic.

Oh yeah, I watched Blakes Marauders/Payment in Blood the other day, which is by Casteralli (Keoma/Jonathan of the Bears), borrows heavily from the story of For a Few Dollars More (as in, bounty hunter in a gang), but is really enjoyable in its own right.  If you can find it!!!


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: spag fan on March 24, 2005, 06:51:46 AM
I picked up Blue Underground's edition of Django recently and watched it the other night. Having seen it on VHS with the English Dub, I decided to watch it with the Italian dub. As someone else mentioned, it did make a big difference in my perceived quality of the film as a whole. Nero's performance in his own language is vastly more sincere and moving without the bad english dubbing. I really enjoyed it. Bacalav's score is one of my favorite's in the genre and you just can't beat that theme song with a stick! Django is stylish in a heavy handed way, but you can't deny it has flair. I think this film deserves it's classic status among SWs. I think I enjoyed it more this time than FOD. I'll try to watch FOD again soon and let you know if I still feel that way though. ;D


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Marco Leone on March 25, 2005, 03:33:58 AM
My fondness of Spaghetti Westerns does lead me to wish that I bothered to pay more attention at forign language lessons!!!  Certainly I'd be watching Django with the original voices on that basis!


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: cigar joe on March 25, 2005, 04:12:58 AM
I watched Django the same way basically by the same recommendation, and not having to hear the dopey dubbing does improve it a lot.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: redyred on March 25, 2005, 08:10:03 AM
Sadly the only DVD version released in England still only has the english dubbing on.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: HEX on October 18, 2005, 04:12:21 PM
as much as i have always loved DJANGO there is one thing in the film i have always disliked and never understood.

why the bloody hell is JACKSON  with the mexican soldiers at FORT SHAREBA?(sorry if mispelled)
in the begining of the film its perfectly established that MAJOR JACKSON and his "clan" hate mexicans and any other  ethnic group that isnt there own. and this is shown by them shooting  defenseless mexican peasants in the first 20 minutes of the film. so again why is the major with the mexican army in small sections of the film. does it have to do something with the gold the army keeps at the fort?

que pasa aqui?


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: HEX on October 19, 2005, 07:24:45 PM
nobody has a clue?


come on at least lie to me. ;D


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Banjo on November 01, 2005, 09:34:18 AM
UK members,nearly fell off my chair reading next weeks TV guide but the Italian language subtitled version of Django is being shown on ITV4(new channel starting today on sky120,Freeview30 and cable) on Sunday 6th November at 11.05pm and later at 2.55am.This is very exciting for me as i only have the pan and scan 4 front video version with the awful English dubbing.Lets hope this could be the start of a Sunday night SW season(i can dream,can't i?).
Marco,i take back what i said about ITV elsewhere!!!
 


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: HEX on November 01, 2005, 10:12:14 AM
dont mean to prod(because i know u are aware of this)

why not just buy the BLUE UNDERGROUND version? worth a buy for sure.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Alan Shearer 9 on November 01, 2005, 10:21:48 AM
thankyou for the tip off Banjo


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Marco Leone on November 01, 2005, 01:37:43 PM
It is definately a series of SW's.  I read it over at the SWWB.  They are definately showing My Name is Nobody too.  Not sure what else, but it is a series, with an Alex Cox intro I gather.

Is it definately going to be on Sky?  I was looking earlier, and ITV4 is on Men and Motors for one day only.

 :D Banjo, ITV will find a way to spoil it, they always do!!!!


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Marco Leone on November 01, 2005, 02:20:10 PM
Right.... further to my note... ITV4 will eventually be on Sky (other than the launch night), but not until November 7th, unless.......

From Digital Spy :

"ITV is pulling its Men & Motors channel off Sky for tomorrow night (Tuesday) only to enable viewers to watch the launch of ITV4.

The new male-oriented station had faced a delay of almost a week before it could debut on the largest multichannel service in the country: Sky had claimed that it could not allocate the channel its own EPG number until November 7.

As a last-minute measure, ITV4 will replace Men & Motors on EPG 136 for tomorrow night only before formally launching on EPG 120 next Monday.

In the meantime, Sky viewers will still be able to view ITV4 by adding the channel manually. To do so, press services, then 4 (system setup) and 4 (add channels). Enter the frequency 10.758, a polarisation of V, a symbol rate of 22.0 (use the left/right arrow buttons) and an FEC of 5/6, then select 'Find channels'. From the list that appears, select 10072 and press the yellow button, then select to store. The channel will now be accessible via services, then the 'Other Channels' menu.

ITV4's launch night hitch onto Sky is not unprecedented: last year, ITV3 was given the greenlight only hours before its debut while ITV2 faced a wait of more than three years to appear on Sky".


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Banjo on November 02, 2005, 02:02:54 AM
Thanks Marco,you are a savoir!!!
Hex,up until very recently due to finances,i've made a point of not buying again SW titles i already own so that i can build up my collection quicker.I've also only got a pan and scan Companeros on video but if itv4 end up showing a widescreen version i may get the my wife to hold back on the dvd she has planned for Xmas!


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Banjo on November 02, 2005, 06:49:47 AM
Marco,just done the necessary and i'm now sorted for Django on Sunday,thanks.I've also only got a pan & scan copy of Nobody(and several other titles) at present so i'm keeping my fingers crossed for a widescreen version on itv4.An Alex Cox introduction as well,wow,perhaps dreams do come true sometimes!!!
When i think back to what was shown on BBC & ITV in the late 70's/early 80's there must be literally dozens of SW's  gathering dust in the vaults.
Its going to be interesting to see what else itv4 will serve up to us!!


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: indio on November 02, 2005, 11:56:07 AM
thanks so much banjo. i'm a happy man.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Marco Leone on November 02, 2005, 01:04:07 PM
People were chatting about it the other day at SWWB, and the view was that the likely candidates aside from the 2 mentioned will be Django Kill, Bullet for the General, Keoma etc, but at that time we thought it was the new More4 that was showing them, not ITV4!

Fingers crossed for some goodies!


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Banjo on November 03, 2005, 01:31:05 AM
I'm so glad it isn't More4 ,Marco,because that channel's not fta and i cancelled my Sky subscription yonks ago.I thought for the repetative crap Sky serve up my money would be better invested on SW dvd's instead!
Django Kill would be great  as i've been too wary to buy this in case it offended my animal friendly wife when i read about exploding horses!
I can remember Death Rides a Horse,Companeros,Day of Anger & the Trinity films being shown on an annual basis(along with many others!) and a widescreen showing of any of these would suit me just fine.I guess we will be asking for too much from ITV for the SW season to run on for months!!!


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Marco Leone on November 03, 2005, 03:04:48 AM
Surely there must be a months ITV 4 listing somewhere.  I shalt search!!  ;D


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: The Smoker on November 03, 2005, 03:23:02 AM
Can't quite believe they are showing it in italian lang? Must be the BU print. Alex Cox must be pushing this.

listings up on the website:

http://www.itv.com/listings/ShowListings.aspx?itvregion=london&itvpackage=dt&itvgenre=0&channelid=ITV4&channeldate=06/11/2005

As many Brit Spaghetti heads need to be watching this. So theres some ratings, for a continued life.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Banjo on November 04, 2005, 03:17:57 AM
I am now going to make another wish,everyone in the UK,and this is for a SW sattelite channel!!
If we can already receive on Sky Digital the Horror channel free-to-air then surely it wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibilty for a SW one.The Horror channel seems to consist of 90% not so good low budget stuff with the odd goodie or two thrown in on weekend evenings.They say over 400 SW were made good,bad and ugly(lots of ugly apparently!!) but surely it would be better to screen these than let all that film reel disintegrate into dust.
I'm now off to buy a chicken,extract a rabbits foot,pinch a horseshoe and kidnap the tooth fairy!!!


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Marco Leone on November 04, 2005, 02:02:51 PM
I got quite excited a few months back when they were talking about a new movie channel showing westerns and thought "bound to be a few SWs on there".  But then it turned out to be True Movie channel, which is as bad as they come!

Surely there would be a market for a european cinema channel, if nothing else!!


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: The Smoker on November 04, 2005, 02:38:04 PM
I know somebody who works a up at Granada. It takes 3 people to run ITV2 & ITV3. He commented.. ITV4 just means less cigi brakes by the bins.  ;D

Marco just move out to Rome or Berlin. The Sat TV and Terrest is still pretty peppered with them. caught Corbucci's 'Che c'entriamo noi con la rivoluzione? a couple of years ago in Avia, Spain on a movie channel. Great to look at.. but my Italian was and is atroshious. Actually it might of been in German can't quite remember.

Bravo when it was first launched use to show interesting Euro Cinema stuff but it slowly got tired, And lost interest.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Marco Leone on November 05, 2005, 01:12:38 PM
Maybe thats it.  Maybe there isn't the market!  But.... when you see some of the crap shown on the satellite channels, I can't believe there is not space for it somewhere!!   :D


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: indio on November 06, 2005, 01:03:54 AM
saw a trailer on ITV4 last night for django. it was a montage of Django, my name is nobody and django kill. nothing else i'm afraid.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Banjo on November 06, 2005, 01:59:26 AM
I saw that trailer also,Indio,and 3 SW's hardly constitutes a SW season but hopefully there will be further trailers with more films,but at least i can finally get to see Django Kill!!
Marco,i think maybe there is a potential viewing market for SW's(considering SW dvds sell like hotcakes on Ebay)
and perhaps if ITV4 can also show some stronger titles like Great  Silence,Big Gundown,Companeros,Mercenary etc there could be a chance.
There must have been a big UK interest 20+ years ago with a large volume of annual SW screenings including virtually every major title,and i remember some of these being the talk of the school classroom.For some reason both BBC & ITV started screening SW's with less and less frequency until now we get sweet FA(until tonight that is!!).I reckon it's a fair bet that your average under 35 year old could not name a SW outside of Leone -but it doesn't have to be that way!!!


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: indio on November 06, 2005, 11:58:14 PM
django was in english. i'm disapointed but still great to see on tv. i'm gonna e mail itv4 and ask for more.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Banjo on November 07, 2005, 01:50:05 AM
Hi Indio,my tv guide definately said Django was subtitled but having said that, to my ears this was the first version i've seen where the English audio is fine.On my old scan & pan vhs i normally have to play it through my hi-fi speakers because alot of the sound is too muffled and inaudible via the tv set.But last night i didn't have to reach for the volume switch at all!
It was also wonderful to see Django in widescreen ,the Alex Cox introduction was great,and it was an ideal opener for what hopefully will turn out to be an excellent
SW season.
I'm also gonna email itv4 and i think we all should in the UK.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: indio on November 07, 2005, 10:42:04 AM
i sent an e mail to them this morning. thanking them and asking for more. your right about alex cox's intro it was really well done.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: The Smoker on November 07, 2005, 12:51:31 PM
Loved Alex Cox's little 5 min intro last night. Great stuff!


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: HEX on November 26, 2005, 11:59:35 AM
i am here to defend my favorite non-leone sw of all
DJANGO.

yes it is not the best in the bunch, but dammit it is the one i keep coming back to watch again and again. i think the best sw is THE GREAT SILENCE however i dont think i could watch the GREAT SILENCE as much as i have watched DJANGO(which has been over 10 times)

i am here to defend this spaghetti classic because it rather sickens me to hear how hated it is in the sw fan world.

DJANGO is pure spaghetti western. a mysterious gunslinger enters a town dragging a coffin holding a gatling gun within its wooden interior(which he uses to mow down all the baddies). the gunslinger is searching for revenge to end his old life and gold to start a new. well needless to say it all ends rather badly for DJANGO when he is beaten badly and his hands are crippled. now he must face the remaining factions of his enemy's
 with two broken gun hands. this leads to one of the most suspenseful and original climaxies IN ALL OF CINEMA HISTORY. yes the film falls short in some places, and there are a few plot holes. but DJANGO is such an entertaining film that it is easily forgiven for its problems.

DJANGO(no matter what anyone tells me ) IS an immortal classic.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Leone Admirer on November 26, 2005, 01:25:51 PM
As you know from my review Hex, I actually did enjoy Django. Its a little bit rough around the edges but it is for me an enjoyable watch and its like the base step for the other films he would do later.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Marco Leone on November 27, 2005, 03:44:24 AM
I'm with you on that one Hex.  Great Silence is my favourite non-Leone, but Django is easier on the eyes!


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Banjo on November 29, 2005, 07:00:09 AM
I already said enough about Django except to say that this deserves a lot more respect than is often given!


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: titoli on December 24, 2005, 08:34:19 AM
I have found the guts to watch Django recently and found I was wrong all the time. Not a masterpiece, but as good to see as some of the best Corbucci's. Can't find much to add to what has been written her by other reviewers. Only would like to add that Nero's voice here is Gazzolo's, i.e. Ramon. I also liked the mexican musical theme.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Leone Admirer on December 25, 2005, 03:53:54 AM
I must admit to enjoying it quite a bit when I first saw it. Not a masterpiece but a fun spaghetti no less.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Christopher on December 25, 2005, 06:58:17 PM
I watched Django again several weeks ago, and I think my reaction to it the second time was about the same as the first. I think I said at first I wasn't sure about it, but as it went along I enjoyed it more. I like the ending of it; it gets a bit dark and violent and the final gunfight is a lot of fun, and actually quite suspenseful while he's trying to get the gun set up without the use of his hands. Nero's acting is really great in that scene too, the frustration on his face when he drops the gun.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: grandpa_chum on December 27, 2005, 12:14:57 AM
to add to what christopher said about the suspenseful gunfight... it's also great that you really have no idea whether he will make it out alive or not... it's just one of those movies, which I guess is one of the appealing aspects of most spaghetti's... anyone can go at any time.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: marmota-b on May 01, 2007, 05:57:04 AM
Only would like to add that Nero's voice here is Gazzolo's, i.e. Ramon.

So I have two films in Italian, with the same dubber? Wow.
I'm really glad I have it in Italian, when I see you complaining about dubs. I liked the Italian sound.
And I must say, I LOVE that catchy theme song.
Sometimes a bit too violent for me, but generally I really liked it. Sometimes ridiculous (I quite can't understand how can one man carry so much gold, moreover in a coffin that must be quite heavy itself). I'm a bit bothered by the dates on the grave he uses in the end (1889, if I remember right. That's a bit too late, when you consider Django was fighting in the Civil War.)

I like the ending of it; ... and the final gunfight is a lot of fun, and actually quite suspenseful while he's trying to get the gun set up without the use of his hands. Nero's acting is really great in that scene too, the frustration on his face when he drops the gun.

I really liked that scene, too.

Oh yes, another thing I didn't understand in the plot... why would Jackson EVER cooperate with Mexican troops? ::)


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Silenzio on May 01, 2007, 07:43:48 AM
Oh yes, another thing I didn't understand in the plot... why would Jackson EVER cooperate with Mexican troops? ::)


I never got that either.  I guess to show he was kind of a coward, he could afford to be racist... but only when he had a fifty-man army behind him.



I think this is pretty much the definitive non-Leone spaghetti.  Not necessarily the best, but the definitive one. I'll admit, I liked it better with repeat viewings. From what I've seen of pre-Django (i.e. Pre-1966) italian westerns is that they are still a little more American in style, whereas after Django they're all more dark and violent.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: marmota-b on May 01, 2007, 07:52:17 AM
I never got that either.  I guess to show he was kind of a coward, he could afford to be racist... but only when he had a fifty-man army behind him.

Probably this is the answer...

I haven't seen any pre-Django SW's, but I guess you're right about it, from what I've read about them so far.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Banjo on May 01, 2007, 04:37:05 PM
For anyone in the UK with Sky Digital who hasn't yet seen this monumental sw classic,i see that the Movies4Men2 channel has begun to show this every now and again in widescreen.
Don't miss it!! O0


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Leone Admirer on May 01, 2007, 04:40:00 PM
Hey Banjo have you tried that 4OD (Channel 4 on demand on their website) They claim to have cult films (SW's?) I can't do it because I have the great computer in the world A Mac but anyone with a PC can.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Banjo on May 01, 2007, 04:54:46 PM
Hey Banjo have you tried that 4OD (Channel 4 on demand on their website) They claim to have cult films (SW's?) I can't do it because I have the great computer in the world A Mac but anyone with a PC can.
No LA. :-\
I'll be surprised if they have anything other than Django,Django Kill or Great Silence (all shown on Film4)but i'll try and check it out.
Don't have a link do you?


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Leone Admirer on May 01, 2007, 05:00:31 PM
Here we go http://www.channel4.com/4od/  :)


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Banjo on May 01, 2007, 05:10:36 PM
Mmmmm  £1.99 per film rental. :-\

I couldn't find out which sw's they have in their catalogue.

I'll have to check it out again when i'm more awake.Its gone midnight.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Banjo on May 25, 2007, 04:16:32 AM
Leone Admirer's review from his SW Virgins Guide:-

Django

Now I knew of the reputation that this film had on these forums. It wasn't a very positive one, but going in to watch this film I tried to keep an open mind. When the screen went dark and the DVD reverted to the menu I came away with a feeling that I actually did enjoy this film. Not incredibly so but as a piece of entertainment, it was an enjoyable film.
       Django (Franco Nero) walks onto the screen dragging a coffin. He see's a bunch of mexicans trying to whip a woman. Before he has time to react men covered in red balaclavas shoot the mexicans and come down to punish the woman themselves. However this time, Django intervenes and kills the red hooded men. He enters a town with the woman and sets up camp at the saloon. He find's the town is nearly empty and if informed that this is because there are two gangs fighting over the territory. One under the control of Major Jackson and his red scarves and the other led by a mexican bandit who can't return home. As the film carries on and Django gets into more and more scrapes between the two groups, we learn that Django has an ulterior motive concerning the major which involves the death of a loved one.
     The film is different in its portrayal of the West then the previous Spaghetti's I have seen in my non-Leone series of films. The town is shown in the height of winter, its muddy, dirty, empty and wet. The film has a low budget, ewhich I think is used to quite an effect in the mood of the ghost town but does lend itself to quite a few continuity errors. This could be seen when Django fires a tripod mounted machine gun and the bullets either side of the loading bay don't move, and in one close up, it seems the gun flares are being created by flash bulbs. There are other faults with the film as well. A camerman can be very distinctly seen during a bar fight. Also the red hoods of the Colonels Men are not very effective at all. Again, according to the accompanying featurette this was done because the background artists were not 'handsome' enough to be his men so they had to be covered up. It seems to me they have taken the idea of the cowboy's, who during the era of Wyatt Earp and Tombstone (shown in, what is my opinion a darn good western called Tombstone) used to wear a small red sash to show they were apart of the cowboy group. However in Django the bright red doesn't really work and does seem very out of place with the mood of the film.
      The characters and acting in the film are also very interesting. Django is a very enigmatic figure, especially with the rather bleak image of him carrying the mud and slime encrusted coffin. For those who haven't seen the film I wont disapoint them by telling whats in the coffin, but for those who have seen it, would (hopefully) agree that the idea of what was in the coffin could perhaps have been made more upon to give it perhaps a more meaningful presentation of Django's life at that moment.  Nero's portrayal of him as a very tortured man is actually quite touching and the very severe beatings that he gets does leave you with sympathy for him.
    Colonel Jackson (Eduardo Fajardo) is an interesting antagonist. Throughout quite a bit of the movie he does seem to be very scared of Django and therefore looses a bit of his threatning air that we would often associate with Spaghetti villains. The mexican bandit leader however does have some humour to his person, but is actually also the most violent. This leaves the viewer with the feeling that both groups are as bad as the other and Django's seemingly one man war against them isn't that bad.
    The girl that Django rescues at the begining of the film does seem to be a bit sidelined and perhaps lost a bit in the action but she does serve as one of the major points in the story.
     Corbucci's direction is efficent. He seems to be working well with the means that he was given but mistakes definatly occur (another is a car can be very distinctly seen in the graveyard.) He handles the scnes of brutal violence quite well, with the ear cutting off sequence (definatly an influence on Tarantino) and the severe beating of Django definatly still shocking, even if the makeup does seem a little off. The cinemematography is quite interesting with some arresting composistions and the camera often doing some interesting movement. Dubbing is often of a sub-standard condition, but the sound design and the music all help to make this an entertaining film.
      Blue Underground bring us "Sergio Corbucci's immortal classic - now restored from the original negative!" At the bottom of the blurb at the back of the DVD they cite the fact that "This definitive edition of DJANGO has been re-mastered from the original camera negative, recently discovered in a Rome vault untouched for over three decades. Also included for the first time is the optional Italian audio track featuring Franco Nero's own voice. Following two years of extensive restoration, Blue Underground is now proud to present the most stunning version of DJANGO you will ever see." The restoration of the film is very good. The video is sharp, preserving the muted colors of the original transfer and is presented uncut. There is some damage but Blue Underground helpfully put a notice at the front of the film actually apologising for some of the damage that couldn't be removed during the restoration.
      The audio is also very good with no hiss and clicks. It does highlight the poor dubbing of the English track but I also listened to the Italian language track which was much richer.
            The film comes with the featurette Django: The One and Only. This is made up with interviews with the star Franco Nero and the AD, Ruggero Deodato, and they freely discuss their opinions of the film and the director. I found this a very intersting doco, which I watched after the move as a title card appears before you being to watch it, advising that due to the fact that it contains spoilers, it is recomended not to be viewed before the movie. Also included is a theatrical trailer, an interesting photo and still gallery as well as some Talent bios.
          Also included of the DVD is the short The Last Pistolero starring Franco Nero. It is a film of style over substance. Beautfully shot in black and white, it looks sumptious but I hated the electronic rubbish they added to Morricone's score from FOD. The film was very cold and to be honest I didn't really like it with my only admiration being the look of the film.
         Django was an interesting film. Whilst I no way think its "Immortal classic" or a "Landmark classic" I do think it is an entertaining film in its own right which is let down by its very low budget. I think those who have seen it certainly have their own opinions on it, and for those who haven't seen it, I do recomend a viewing so you have seen one of the supposed "Must See" Spaghetti's.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Leone Admirer on May 25, 2007, 02:39:38 PM
Oh god you dug that one up  :-[  O0


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Banjo on May 25, 2007, 05:11:10 PM
Have you changed your opinion in any way since writing that  LA? :-\


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Leone Admirer on May 25, 2007, 05:32:31 PM
Not really I just think that it's not one of my most articulated reviews.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Banjo on May 26, 2007, 01:03:46 PM
Arizona Colts review:-

DJANGO- 1966-Massive hit in Europe, this film showcased a different kind of hero. One that was conniving and deceptive and not above being mutilated in some way. Django is a coffin toting mystery man who is after a nasty, racist named Major Jackson played with appropriate villainy by Eduardo Fajardo. In between his vendetta, Django helps a Mexican bandit gang rob a fort of its gold consignment. Before the gang can double cross him, Django attempts to do the same to them leading to a cruel scene where the gang renders Django nearly incapable of handling a gun shortly before he is to meet up with his nemesis, Major Jackson. When submitted to the BBFC, the level of violence made the film unreleasable. It also failed to snag US distribution. In Europe however, the film got some 50 sequels most in name only, others detailing Django’s adventures played by different actors each interpreting the character differently. The film made big stars out of Franco Nero and director Sergio Corbucci who was able to secure 1 million budgets for his films after DJANGO’s success. Several others behind the scenes would go on to fruitful careers as well. Assistant director Ruggero Deodato and cinematographer Enzo Barboni would both go on to hugely successful directorial careers. Luis Bacalov contributes a great score. A landmark in western cinema.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Jill on July 12, 2007, 02:22:08 PM
Finally seen it.  O0 O0 O0
Very good, very naturalistic, very hard!
 ;)
That coffin rules!


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 12, 2007, 02:51:00 PM
Finally seen it.  O0 O0 O0
Very good, very naturalistic, very hard!
 ;)
That coffin rules!

I agree. The film is bloody genius! Corbucci can direct I tell you that much.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 12, 2007, 04:03:12 PM
This was the first non-Leone spaghetti western I ever saw.


To this day it is still my favorite.

I didn't get into the internet until about a year after I saw this flick. When I went on spag chat forums I was expecting this to be well talked about and recieved but to my horror it was panned by many.
I can't understand why? It has all the ingredients one can need to make a spaghetti western.
Sure the second act is a bit slow paced and the whole mexican revolution stuff isn't very interesting but the first half hour and the final 15 minutes just ooze class.
I believe Django has the best ending cinema has ever seen


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 12, 2007, 04:12:29 PM
This was the first non-Leone spaghetti western I ever saw.


To this day it is still my favorite.

I didn't get into the internet until about a year after I saw this flick. When I went on spag chat forums I was expecting this to be well talked about and recieved but to my horror it was panned by many.
I can't understand why? It has all the ingredients one can need to make a spaghetti western.
Sure the second act is a bit slow paced and the whole mexican revolution stuff isn't very interesting but the first half hour and the final 15 minutes just ooze class.
I believe Django has the best ending cinema has ever seen

The best ending cinema has ever seen? mmmm that may be stretching it just a bit don't you think Firecracker? I can think of a handful of spaghetti western's alone that have a better ending with mostly Leone's films passing it. It's not even Corbucci's best ending. That goes to "The Great Silence" in my opinion.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: marmota-b on July 30, 2007, 12:57:43 PM
Well, I wouldn't call the ending that way either, but I really liked it, too...


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Groggy on November 15, 2007, 08:05:58 PM
I posted this in the Rate the Last Movie You Saw thread, but think it's more likely to have discussion here. I'll expand on this comment if I get any replies:

I honestly wasn't expecting to like this one, based on what I'd heard about it, but surprisingly I found this to be, if not the best, then certainly the most entertaining of the non-Leone Spaghettis I've seen this far. The characters were cool and there was a lot of neat use of color and scenery. There were only three problems: the title song (the instrumental music was good though), the dubbing (which was my fault - did anyone else think Django sounded like a bad Charlton Heston impersonator?), and Django's motivation - as in, what is it? I know it's kinda-sorta-not-really revealed but it's only mentioned in passing and is obviously incidental to what goes on during the film. Oh well, it was pretty good for what it is. 7/10


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: marmota-b on November 16, 2007, 01:35:01 AM
I love the title song. Though, I must admit, it doesn't fit into the film properly. But the instrumental versions throughout the film are really great and fit perfectly to the mood. As to the dubbing - my version is Italian, so I don't have this problem. ;D I like the Italian sound.
And I agree with you, it's very entertaining. I haven't seen many SW's yet, but still I think it will be hard for them to surpass this in this aspect. It has many gaps in the plot and so on, but it's really entertaining and tense (especially in the end).


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Groggy on November 16, 2007, 12:36:12 PM
It's funny how a lot of people who enjoy the title song (not you Marmota) are the same ones who bitch about the Frankie Laine etc. ballads in American Westerns. The Django song is just as corny, if not moreso.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Silenzio on November 16, 2007, 05:24:47 PM
It's funny how a lot of people who enjoy the title song (not you Marmota) are the same ones who bitch about the Frankie Laine etc.

Really?  I've never heard anybody bitch about Frankie Laine.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: The Firecracker on November 16, 2007, 05:38:45 PM
Really?  I've never heard anybody bitch about Frankie Laine.


Nor have I.

Django's motivation is revenge against Jackson but later (when the mexicans show up) he get's to thinking he can forget about revenge and start a new life with the gold.
When the gold is lost he realizes his destiny is to kill Jackson and forever be alone and unsatisfied.
Of course having Maria live at the end makes it seem that there is som sort of future for him after revenge.


I'm very surprised you liked this Groggy. I was expecting you to trash it to no end.
I (and several others) could recommend other similar titles that you might enjoy.

HOO HA!


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: The Firecracker on November 16, 2007, 05:40:13 PM
Halleluja Companeros.


Next Thuesday comes our limited Django Box in a coffin.

Im very happy, cause Django is one of my personal all time favorite Italowestern.

(http://www.video-total.de/ebay/DRANGO_HOLZSARG.jpg)

It includes an Digipack with the 3 Franco Nero Movies :D :-*


Just noticed the above.

Is this coffin box still available?
I want one!


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Silenzio on November 16, 2007, 05:46:50 PM

Of course having Maria live at the end makes it seem that there is som sort of future for him after revenge.



I always thought it would be better if she had really died.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: The Firecracker on November 16, 2007, 05:48:08 PM
I always thought it would be better if she had really died.


I thought that initially on my first viewing but I've come to accept it more with each viewing.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Groggy on November 16, 2007, 06:37:38 PM
Shows what you know Firecracker. :D j/k


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Arizona Colt on November 16, 2007, 06:49:41 PM
The movie's great. I didn't have a problem with the song, though. I thought the singer (forget his name) had a good voice. Regardless of a few missteps, it's a true innovative classic.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Atlas2112 on November 16, 2007, 07:09:30 PM
that singer's voice made me think of neil daimond


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Arizona Colt on November 16, 2007, 07:19:50 PM
that singer's voice made me think of neil daimond

His voice reminded me of an opera singer's voice. In town, there's actually a 'Django Drive', a road named after DJANGO. I guess it would have to be as the term was strictly an Italian creation.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Groggy on November 16, 2007, 08:25:07 PM
His voice reminded me of an opera singer's voice. In town, there's actually a 'Django Drive', a road named after DJANGO. I guess it would have to be as the term was strictly an Italian creation.

Was it not Django Reinhardt then? ???


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: cigar joe on November 16, 2007, 09:04:09 PM
I'm sure its Django Reinhardt too, great jazz guitarist


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Silenzio on November 16, 2007, 10:56:59 PM
DJANGO REINHARDT IS MY HERO.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: marmota-b on November 17, 2007, 01:36:34 PM
His voice reminded me of an opera singer's voice.

Me too. I guess that's why I like it. Though I actually am not much into opera. But the voice sounds like a really good singer.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Arizona Colt on November 17, 2007, 01:50:38 PM
I think he did a number of other songs for other SW's. I'll have to dig out my soundtrack to get his name.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Silenzio on November 17, 2007, 06:43:36 PM
Wasn't the name of the singer (on the English version) Rocky Roberts or something?


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Arizona Colt on November 17, 2007, 06:50:15 PM
It says Roberto Fia on the back of the soundtrack CD.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: The Firecracker on November 18, 2007, 01:54:48 AM
It says Roberto Fia on the back of the soundtrack CD.

Rocky Roberts was for the english audience.

I'm pretty certain he was italian. Amazing the accent doesn't come through in the song.
i believe he also sang "Gringo Like Me" from the dreary "Gunfight at Red Sands".
I could be, and most probably am, wrong.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: marmota-b on November 18, 2007, 03:47:32 AM
I'm pretty certain he was italian.

I guess so too. The song is in English even on my Italian version.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Sundance on November 19, 2007, 11:21:30 AM
Django: The Definitive Edition

Track 20: Django [Vocal-English Version] - I Cantori Moderni di Alessandroni, Rocky Roberts
Track 21: Django [Vocal-Italian Version] - Roberto Fia, I Cantori Moderni di Alessandroni

;)

You can listen to 30 second samples here http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Django:%20The%20Definitive%20Edition:1921416241 (should work just by clicking on the song link if you have winamp installed)


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Arizona Colt on November 19, 2007, 11:30:07 AM
The CD I have is Italian but there's no Italian version here and the singer is referred to as Roberto Fia. So did this Italian version ever actually appear on any print of the film?


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: The Firecracker on November 19, 2007, 03:44:09 PM
The CD I have is Italian but there's no Italian version here and the singer is referred to as Roberto Fia. So did this Italian version ever actually appear on any print of the film?


I own the italian version from a bootleg dvd given to me by one of the members.
You can hear a sample of it on Shobary.

I'm certain the italian version of the film had the italian version of the song .


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Arizona Colt on November 19, 2007, 03:50:35 PM

I own the italian version from a bootleg dvd given to me by one of the members.
You can hear a sample of it on Shobary.

I'm certain the italian version of the film had the italian version of the song .

I'm not saying it isn't but the Italian soundtrack I have doesn't have an Italian version of the song. It's not the complete score anyway. It has the instrumental as well as the vocal. There are scores for QUIEN SABE?, LA OIU GRANDE RAPINA DEL WEST, L'ORO DEI BRAVADOS, SI PUO FARE AMIGO... and SUGAR COLT. Fia is listed as Rocky Roberts for the vocal on CAN BE DONE AMIGO. This set is from GDM Music in Italy.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: marmota-b on November 20, 2007, 02:39:02 AM
I'm certain the italian version of the film had the italian version of the song .

But my DVD has Italian dub and English song... to make things clear, there's no English dub on it.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Arizona Colt on November 20, 2007, 09:34:16 AM
Does anyone know if the Italian version of the song was ever utilized on any print of the film? Or was it released as a single or something over there?


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: The Firecracker on February 22, 2008, 03:38:23 PM
Rocky Roberts was for the english audience.

I'm pretty certain he was italian.


I was wrong about this.

He was born in Miami and died of lung cancer in 2005 (In Rome).

He's also famous for singing the main theme to the wild, wild world of Jayne Mansfield


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: T.H. on February 22, 2008, 04:08:06 PM
I need to see the Italian version, I'm not a fan of the dubs one bit.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: The Firecracker on February 22, 2008, 04:11:18 PM
I'm not a fan of the dubs one bit.


I don't see why being that most of the top rated spag westerns have wonderful english dubbing.
Django's english dubbing is the poorest I've seen yet.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: T.H. on February 22, 2008, 04:15:26 PM

I don't see why being that most of the top rated spag westerns have wonderful english dubbing.
Django's english dubbing is the poorest I've seen yet.

I'm no Spag. expert but Django is probably the worst I have seen.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: The Firecracker on February 22, 2008, 04:17:53 PM
I'm no Spag. expert but Django is probably the worst I have seen.


Worst spaghetti western? Or worst dubbing?


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: T.H. on February 22, 2008, 04:19:28 PM

Worst spaghetti western? Or worst dubbing?

dubbing. I like Django quite a bit, although I prefer Companeros and Silence.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: cigar joe on February 22, 2008, 05:11:22 PM
 O0 Like the Blindman sig  O0


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: The Firecracker on February 23, 2008, 06:29:29 PM
O0 Like the Blindman sig  O0

 O0


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Novecento on June 28, 2009, 06:53:20 AM
Only would like to add that Nero's voice here is Gazzolo's, i.e. Ramon. I also liked the mexican musical theme.

I think you mean Sergio Graziano. There's a great article on "Italian Film Dubbing" on pages 12-18 of  WAI (http://www.spaghetti-western.net/index.php/Westerns..._All%27Italiana!) #67 where this is mentioned.

Blue Underground's claim that their release has Franco Nero's own voice must be wrong.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: The Firecracker on February 03, 2010, 07:58:13 PM
To be released on Blu-ray in May 2010

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/3022/django.html (http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/3022/django.html)



I have no interest in Blu-ray at all (how clear do I really need my picture?) but if my father decides to get a player, as he's been insisting, I'll probably pick this up as my copy isn't in such great shape anymore.
Who would've known that people you lend things to would return it in such poor condition?
I've since made a new rule in life.

DON'T LET ANYBODY BORROW DVDS


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: T.H. on February 03, 2010, 10:02:42 PM
I watched this a few months ago in Italian and it was such a better experience. The english dubbing, like previously stated, is unbelievably bad.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: The Firecracker on February 03, 2010, 10:50:46 PM
I watched this a few months ago in Italian and it was such a better experience. The english dubbing, like previously stated, is unbelievably bad.


It does have a lot of charm though.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Dust Devil on February 04, 2010, 11:51:49 AM

It does have a lot of charm though.

Yeah, sure, sure it does. (http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/happy/happy0068.gif) (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-cool-smileys.php)


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: T.H. on February 04, 2010, 04:06:12 PM
It does have a lot of charm though.

Yeah, definitely.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: O'Cangaceiro on February 04, 2010, 11:04:25 PM
I watched this a few months ago in Italian and it was such a better experience. The english dubbing, like previously stated, is unbelievably bad.

It works for me.  ;)


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: T.H. on February 05, 2010, 12:04:49 AM
If you have the blue underground dvd, you have the italian audio as an option. You should check it out if you have access to it.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: The Firecracker on February 05, 2010, 10:59:29 PM
There is also some exclusive HD content, which may or may not be interesting.


Do you happen to know what it is?


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: The Firecracker on February 06, 2010, 05:56:31 AM
From http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/3022/django.html (http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/3022/django.html)

Exclusive HD Content

    * Franco Nero Intro
    * The Last Pistolero: Short Film Starring Franco Nero
    * Western, Italian Style: a 1968 documentary about the Spaghetti Western phenomenon containing interviews with directors Enzo G. Castellari, Sergio Sollima and Sergio Corbucci


Supplements

    * Django: The One And Only: interviews with star Franco Nero and assistant director Ruggero Deodato
    * International trailer
    * Italian Trailer



The only thing new there would be the Franco Nero intro.
Everything else is on the original disc or is from another BU release (The Western Italian Style doc is from the Run Man Run BU release).
Thankfully, The Last Pistolero was a bonus disc on my Django dvd.

Thanks for the info HG.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: dave jenkins on May 12, 2010, 05:04:27 PM
Blu review: http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Django-Blu-ray-Review/9536/


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: dave jenkins on May 18, 2010, 03:04:23 PM
Beaver: http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdcompare/django.htm


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: cigar joe on May 18, 2010, 03:22:18 PM
It's a moot point with me I don't like it all that much to begin with. :-[


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: titoli on April 08, 2011, 06:50:25 PM
I can't understand what Rocky Roberts(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcYn_NQdzKg) :

has to do with the main theme of this movie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNUpbYwj57k



Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Groggy on April 08, 2011, 06:54:49 PM
Quote
Django (1966) is probably the most famous - or infamous - Spaghetti Western not directed by Sergio Leone. Its massive gundowns and gory violence set the standard for '60s graphic violence, and its coffin-wielding protagonist spawned dozens of unofficial sequels and rip-offs. Reputation and influence aside, Django works as a bit of inspired madness, even if it lacks the craft and artistry of the best Spaghettis.

A mysterious drifter named Django (Franco Nero) rolls into a small border town dragging a coffin and sporting a Union army uniform. After rescuing half-breed hooker Maria (Loredana Nusciak) from some toughs, Django finds himself caught up in a private war between Major Jackson (Eduardo Fajardo), an ex-Confederate with a gang of red-hooded Klansmen, and General Rodriguez (Jose Badalo), an egomaniacal "revolutionary" with a private army. Django has his own motivation for being in town, but it takes a lot of blood, bullets and double-crosses to sort things out.

Django seems calculated specifically to one-up Leone's A Fistful of Dollars, with a nearly-identical plot and set-pieces carried to cartoonish extremes. Where Clint Eastwood can simultaneously gun down four heavies in Fistful, Django shoots down fifty or so bad guys with a machine gun. Where Fistful's bad guys machine gun a company of Mexican troops for gold, Django's villains square off against the entire Mexican army. Where Clint endures a brutal beating by the Rojos, Django gets his hands crushed beneath horse's hooves. For fun, throw in ear mutilation, mud-wrestling hookers, a quick-sand pit and red-hooded Klansmen.

On more substantial levels, Django features an extremely thin plot and cartoonish characters. Django's given a shallow revenge motivation that doesn't inspire much empathy, and his actions are incredibly inconsistent. Django leaves Major Jackson alive after his first showdown, then goes gallavanting off with Rodriguez to steal some gold? Call me a mission creep but what exactly does this achieve? Other set-pieces are headscratchers: Django's attempt to sneak a coffin full of gold away from the bad guys is pretty silly, and the mud-wrestling scene is neither erotic nor funny.

What saves Django from being relegated to the Spaghetti scrap heap is Sergio Corbucchi's stylish direction. Corbucchi's better-suited for lightweight shoot-'em-ups than his The Great Silence and Companeros, which interject half-baked "social commentary" to no effect. Here, Corbucchi handles his action scenes with aplomb: Django's machine gun ambush and Rodriguez's raid on the Mexican fort are staged with excitement and creativity. This film is easily the goriest Western prior to The Wild Bunch and Corbucchi handily one-ups Peckinpah in sheer sadism. Carlo Simi's creative setwork also deserves mention, with one of the muddiest, most unappealing Western towns in film history. Luis Bacalov's score is pretty generic, complete with a cheesy Frankie Laine-style ballad.

Franco Nero runs a close second to Clint Eastwood as the quintessential Spaghetti hero. He's a bit more talkative than Clint but no more emotive, and just as badass in the clutch. Jose Badalo is ridiculously over-the-top, but Eduardo Fajardo gives an intense performance as Jackson, a hateful though underdeveloped bad guy. There's also Loredana Nusciak as Maria, an appealingly feisty love interest, and Angel Alvarez in the Jose Calvo role of kindly bartender.

Overall, Django is a nice piece of gore-splattered pulp. High art it is not, but it's unquestionably entertaining in its own twisted way.

http://nothingiswrittenfilm.blogspot.com/2011/04/django.html (http://nothingiswrittenfilm.blogspot.com/2011/04/django.html)


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Novecento on April 08, 2011, 11:26:39 PM
[Overall, Django is a nice piece of gore-splattered pulp. High art it is not...

It's in the MoMA


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Groggy on April 08, 2011, 11:49:20 PM
It's in the MoMA

It's so ugly it could be a Modern-Art Masterpiece! :D


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Banjo on May 18, 2011, 07:29:32 AM
Just booked my ticket to see a London screening of Django at the Covent Garden Odean on Saturday 28th May.This will be precluded by an onstage interview with Franco Nero who will also introduce the film as well as signing copies of Kevin Grant's new SW book for which he has contributed the foreword:-

http://www.fabpress.com/vsearch.php?T=home

Can't wait!  O0


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: cigar joe on May 18, 2011, 08:45:33 AM
Cool, ask what's up with the new Spaghetti Western they were trying to make if you get the chance.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Banjo on May 18, 2011, 04:43:51 PM
Cool, ask what's up with the new Spaghetti Western they were trying to make if you get the chance.

Yes CJ i'm very keen to find out about this if i do get the chance. ;)


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Dust Devil on May 20, 2011, 12:58:12 AM
Lucky Banjo! O0


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Banjo on May 29, 2011, 06:47:33 AM
Well i had a great time yesterday.Got to shake Nero's hand and got him to sign the book which btw looks massively brilliant-it took me the whole train journey home just to glance through the hundreds of illustrations.

The book signing session was followed by Nero appearing onstage to receive a lifetime achievement award and to discuss the sw genre in general.After which he received questions from members of the audience filling us in with some hilarious anectotes(including a tense encounter between muscle posing Charles Bronson with equally musclebound Enzo Castellari(who initially Nero found to be very odd and didn't want to work with!),working with Telly Savales on Redneck,UFO's on the set of THe MERCENARY,how really it was he who directed ("the director was always on the phone for money")ENTER THE NINJA for which he forgoed starring in VICTOR/VICTORIA with Julie Andrews ).He was charming,very funny and displayed an incredible memory with his answers.

Nero confirmed that himself and Castellari are working on THE ANGEL,THE UGLY & THE WISE but did not go into further details apart from mentioning that Tarantino has agreed to play a cameo.Nero is aware of talk that Tarantino wants him to reciprocate in DJANGO UNCHAINED but he hasn't yet asked Nero personally so he cannot confirm any role at present.

And to cap all that i got to see DJANGO on the big screen! O0


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: cigar joe on May 29, 2011, 10:54:59 AM
cool O0 O0 O0


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: marmota-b on May 30, 2011, 12:39:23 AM
It sounds like good time. :)


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Dust Devil on May 31, 2011, 08:04:23 AM
 8)


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on March 06, 2012, 09:59:43 AM
Just saw this movie for the first time. What can I say -- it's insanely outrageously way over the top, just as I've come to expect from non-Leone spags! (the only others I've seen are The Big Gundown, Death Rides a Horse, and The Mercenary). Obviously a ripoff of FOD (and how about the machine gun in the wagon!). I used the English audio, and the dubbing was just awful; next time, I will use the Italian audio with English subtitles; the dubbing was just awful.

btw, in his opening shootout, Django uses 6 shots... then another as one of the dying men is reaching for his gun.

And in the final shootout, you can clearly hear 7 shots.

But since everything in spags was over the top, why not 6-shooters that fire 7 shots?  ;)


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 21, 2012, 04:56:27 AM
To get myself pumped for the release of Django Unchained (only 4 days away!), I wanna watch Django again, so I just put it at the top of my Netflix queue. It'll be my first viewing of the blu ray.

I just noticed that the Netflix page says the aspect ratio of the dvd as 1.78:1, while the blu ray as 1.66:1. I presume this is a mistake, and that the AR of both the dvd and blu ray is 1.66:1. Am I correct on this?

I looked at the Beaver page, and he indeed lists the AR of the Blue Underground dvd as 1.66:1 (I have to say that only thing I ever use Beaver is basic info like to see what a disc's aspect ratios or bonus features are; he's good for that, but I don't pay any attention to the shit that idiot writes... and btw, why does he only list AR's for dvd's, and never for blu ray discs?)

Amazon (which is probably as untrustworthy on disc details as is Netflix) does list the dvd's AR, as well as the blu ray's, at 1.66:1).

I am going to see the blu ray now anyway, but I am just wondering if anyone can confirm that the Blue Underground dvd's AR is 1.66:1. (IF Netflix is correct that the dvd's AR is 1.78:1, then does anyone know if that's cuz they cropped the top and bottom, or cuz they show more on the sides?)


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Lil Brutto on December 21, 2012, 10:22:48 AM
I have the Blue Underground BD and I can confirm the AR is 1.66:1.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: dave jenkins on December 21, 2012, 11:00:59 AM
Drink, you could go to tonight's 10pm showing at Film Forum and measure their screen.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 25, 2012, 03:11:49 AM
Just watched Django again (second viewing, first time on blu ray. the picture looks nice, though there is lots of grain, which I know many of you consider to be a good thing).

This movie typical of the few spags I've seen -- fun, and absolutely outrageous, and pretty much a completely different genre as compared with not only the American Western, but even as compared to the Leone westerns. The non-Leone spags I've seen take outrageousness to a whole different level, far far beyond even Leone's movies. These basically have to be viewed not in the context of a Western, but in the context of a cartoon or a circus or freak show. And to that extent, this is a fun watch.

Of course, many spags ripoff the Dollars movies, but this one is a direct copy of FOD, (almost just a little notch less than the way that FOD is a copy of Yojimbo). Shameless. But profitable.

I saw this to get me psyched up for seeing Django Unchained later today  ;)


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Novecento on December 27, 2012, 11:52:19 AM
Just watched Django again (second viewing, first time on blu ray. the picture looks nice, though there is lots of grain, which I know many of you consider to be a good thing).

I read somewhere that much of the grain is fake and was added afterwards by Blue Underground.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 27, 2012, 12:05:20 PM
haha are you serious? that's fucking ridiculous if it's true.

I have never been one who likes grain. Maybe that's cuz I came of age in the HD era and have no nostalgia for grain. To me, the less the better. But I could just imagine the righteous so-called purists talking about how wonderful it is that there's all this grain, only to find out that this "authenticity" was added in recently.  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: moviesceleton on December 27, 2012, 01:49:45 PM
haha are you serious? that's fucking ridiculous if it's true.

I have never been one who likes grain. Maybe that's cuz I came of age in the HD era and have no nostalgia for grain. To me, the less the better. But I could just imagine the righteous so-called purists talking about how wonderful it is that there's all this grain, only to find out that this "authenticity" was added in recently.  ;D ;D ;D
Many new films shot digitally utilize "film grain" added in the post. Cinematographers often like the picture to have some texture. Totally clean image will probably look dead. But I'm not sure I like them adding more grain to old films :-[


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Novecento on December 28, 2012, 04:12:37 PM
I have never been one who likes grain. Maybe that's cuz I came of age in the HD era and have no nostalgia for grain. To me, the less the better. But I could just imagine the righteous so-called purists talking about how wonderful it is that there's all this grain, only to find out that this "authenticity" was added in recently.  ;D ;D ;D

The issue is not grain per se, but rather the DNR processes used to remove it that destroy the image. Why anyone would seek to remove the naturally occurring film grain is beyond me, particularly as there is no way to do it cleanly anyway.

Many new films shot digitally utilize "film grain" added in the post. Cinematographers often like the picture to have some texture. Totally clean image will probably look dead. But I'm not sure I like them adding more grain to old films :-[

Why anyone would add grain to the already naturally occurring grain in Django is also completely beyond me.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: Senza on February 23, 2013, 11:03:39 PM
I had a ball with this movie, it was really enjoyable. I'd actually watched DU first, but when I watched Django I thought it was miles apart and much better film. I usually rank movies on their re-watchability, and must say I'd love to watch Django again, but I can't say the same for DU. I thought Franco Nero was a total badass, especially with that mini gun in his coffin, just blazing away that gang in the middle of the town - simply awesome! I'd give Django, 4/5 stars.


Title: Re: Django (1966)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 23, 2017, 02:46:16 AM
The 1968 TV documentary "Western, Italian Style," which is a bonus feature on the Django Blue Underground BRD, is available on YouTube

Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIiL4AwQkSw

Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuM2Ltk4gzU