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Films of Sergio Leone => Once Upon A Time In The West => Topic started by: Whalestoe on July 24, 2007, 02:52:09 AM



Title: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: Whalestoe on July 24, 2007, 02:52:09 AM
Honestly, who wins out in your opinion as the better Anti-hero/MWNN? My vote is for Harmonica.

Perhaps this is due mostly to Leone's close-ups on Bronson when compared to Eastwood. Bronson just came off as so much more intense in my mind when first watching OUATITW, when compared to first seeing A Fistful of Dollars, For A Few More Dollars, and The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.

What do you think?


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: Jill on July 24, 2007, 03:28:40 AM
Bronson's eyes are so talking. You can see his whole backstory in his eyes... and emotions only here. His face in like a rock but his eyes betray him...  ;)

In Eastwood's eyes I can see only "what do you want, you bad guy, don't you know you are a dead man?" Just compare his eyes with Lee's (like a fox), with Eli's or with GMV's...


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 24, 2007, 08:37:44 AM
The two characters are played out very differently. There's a bit of comedy in regards to the characters of Joe/Monco/and Blondie. Harmonica on the other hand is the more serious character who rarely makes jokes as we see Blondie doing in TGTBATU.


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: Jill on July 24, 2007, 11:28:46 AM
Who would be the faster one?


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 24, 2007, 01:07:20 PM
Who would be the faster one?

I can't choose between the two. I love both characters. Both have great skills with the gun, hard to pick.


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: Bill Carson on July 26, 2007, 06:31:30 AM
Don`t forget Frank. In his "primetime" he must have been equal to them both.


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 26, 2007, 09:13:20 AM
Don`t forget Frank. In his "primetime" he must have been equal to them both.

I agree.


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 26, 2007, 09:43:20 AM
I had always assumed that Frank in his prime was even faster than the two of them.


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: KevinJCBJK on July 26, 2007, 10:26:16 AM
Of all of Man of No Name aliases, I like Blondie the best. Nearly every line he says is memerable.

"God is not on our side, he hates idiots also"

"Yeah"

"mhm"

"uhh"

"Never seen so many men wasted"

I can see Blondie and Harmonica having some respect for each other.


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 26, 2007, 11:14:59 AM
Of all of Man of No Name aliases, I like Blondie the best. Nearly every line he says is memerable.


"Yeah"

"mhm"

"uhh"



Those are my favorites.   ;D

I use those quotes a lot in real life, especially the last one.


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 26, 2007, 11:17:06 AM
Those are my favorites.   ;D

I use those quotes a lot in real life, especially the last one.

I love those quotes myself. I use them regularly.


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: KevinJCBJK on July 26, 2007, 01:58:16 PM
I do too, especially when strangers talk to me.


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 26, 2007, 02:51:34 PM
I do too, especially when strangers talk to me.

"Yeeahh."

"When."

"Where."

Classic quotes right there.  O0


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: KevinJCBJK on July 26, 2007, 02:55:45 PM
Only classic because Eastwood delivered them well.


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 26, 2007, 03:00:59 PM
Only classic because Eastwood delivered them well.

Yeah, I just love the way he deliver's those lines. Classic Eastwood.


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: moviesceleton on July 26, 2007, 03:16:20 PM
No, nothing beats Harmonica's "Yeah"  8)


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 26, 2007, 03:21:23 PM
No, nothing beats Harmonica's "Yeah"  8)

You got a point here MS! "End of the line."  "Yeeahh." Classic delivery!


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: KevinJCBJK on July 26, 2007, 07:01:10 PM
"In side the dusters were three men, inside the men were bullets"

"When you hear a strange sound...duck"

"You've brought two too many"


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 26, 2007, 08:32:17 PM
"In side the dusters were three men, inside the men were bullets"

"When you hear a strange sound...duck"

"You've brought two too many"

Wow, Bronson is so badass as Harmonica. Leone really got the best out of him.


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: poderator on July 27, 2007, 01:06:47 AM
Yes, main difference between thiese four guys is the fact that Harmonica has a deep past (actually everyone does, but only his we actually see in the movie), and MWNN is without past. As a result  Harmonica is a much more complex as a character, and perhaps we care more about him, because we know more about him and his tragic past.
To be honest: personal vendetta will always be more powerfull motif then gold chasing.
I must say Harmonica. He is the most powerfull character in the movies (at least for me).  ;)


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: Bill Carson on July 27, 2007, 01:40:36 AM
No, nothing beats Harmonica's "Yeah"  8)

"In side the dusters were three men, inside the men were bullets"

"When you hear a strange sound...duck"

"You've brought two too many"

Wow, Bronson is so badass as Harmonica. Leone really got the best out of him.

I agree with you all.  O0

Just want to add, that you don`t forget the dialog among Harmonica and Cheyenne:

Cheyenne: ... that`s thousands of dollars, hundreds of thousands of dollars, thousands of thousands...

Harmonica: that`s called millions...

Cheyenne: millions..., millions of dollars..., mmm...

I think that I got it right.  :)


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: KevinJCBJK on July 27, 2007, 09:53:26 AM
haha that was a great line bill carson.

"thousands of thousands"

"they call them millions" hehe


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 27, 2007, 10:31:40 AM
haha that was a great line bill carson.

"thousands of thousands"

"they call them millions" hehe

hahahaaha. This film doesn't have a lot of diologue but the diologue it has is amazing.


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: Bill Carson on July 28, 2007, 11:11:15 AM
haha that was a great line bill carson.

"thousands of thousands"

"they call them millions" hehe

Thank you.  8)

hahahaaha. This film doesn't have a lot of diologue but the diologue it has is amazing.

 O0 O0 O0


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: Jill on July 28, 2007, 04:45:20 PM
They write it "Cheyenne". :P


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: Bill Carson on July 29, 2007, 11:58:36 PM
They write it "Cheyenne". :P

Thank you for correcting me. My english is far from perfect, so don`t mind if I sometimes make a mistake like I did here.  :-\
I knew that I wasn`t wright it correctly, but I didn`t know better.

O.K. "Cheyenne" it is!  O0 (there was no need for "puting your tongue out" -  :P )


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: LINCOLNS GRANDFATHER on July 30, 2007, 12:42:50 PM
Glad to meet you Carson, I'm Lincolns Grandfather.

Seems like peolple have got this ALL WRONG.

Eastwood is the better anti hero. We learn about Bronsons reasons for his "Heroism" and heap on the sympathy.
With Clint however, we know nothing. well I suppose "There was no one there to help" once, but Clint was just making that up to make Julio and Marisol feel better !

If it came down the draw, Eastwood again. Bronson took a bullet against a measily 3 sun stroked show offs. Clint comes into town after riding a Mule for hours and hey quad pine boxes needed.

Line delivery, yep Clint again. theres too many examples to list. Look at his opener in GBU.

"Yeah, but you don't look like the one who'll collect it" Which pretty much indicates a running theme of money swapping owners and such.

Bet ya can't tell I'm a Clint fan.

 


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 30, 2007, 04:39:15 PM
Glad to meet you Carson, I'm Lincolns Grandfather.

Seems like peolple have got this ALL WRONG.

Eastwood is the better anti hero. We learn about Bronsons reasons for his "Heroism" and heap on the sympathy.
With Clint however, we know nothing. well I suppose "There was no one there to help" once, but Clint was just making that up to make Julio and Marisol feel better !

If it came down the draw, Eastwood again. Bronson took a bullet against a measily 3 sun stroked show offs. Clint comes into town after riding a Mule for hours and hey quad pine boxes needed.

Line delivery, yep Clint again. theres too many examples to list. Look at his opener in GBU.

"Yeah, but you don't look like the one who'll collect it" Which pretty much indicates a running theme of money swapping owners and such.

Bet ya can't tell I'm a Clint fan.

 

I'm just as big a Clint fan as you LG and I believe you're wrong.  O0


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: Bill Carson on July 31, 2007, 02:15:57 AM
Glad to meet you Carson, I'm Lincolns Grandfather.

I`m glad to meat you too Lincolns...  O0   Nice username...  :)


Bet ya can't tell I'm a Clint fan.

You are...!? I would never think that in million years...  ;D ha-ha-ha  O0


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: mortimerforever on September 12, 2007, 10:40:40 AM
It's a hard one to call...

Clint's a great action hero, with a sort of Bond feel in his quips and style, wheras Harmonica's a more deep character.

Personally, I'll have to go for Monco.


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: dave jenkins on September 14, 2007, 03:53:23 PM
This thread is so wrong-headed I don't even know where to begin...

First of all, you have to decide among Joe and Monco and Blondie, three different characters. Monco is a bit of a wuss, with that leather gauntlet he wears on his arm. And both Joe and Monco take beatings. When AE meets up with Blondie, he doesn't even dare to try and thrash him (the reason he offers is a rationalization). He's clearly more badass than the other two Eastwood characters (a better shot too, perhaps). So I'm thinking he's the best of the three. The question is then, Can Harmonica take Blondie? If the answer is yes, fine. But if the answer is no, you still have to decide whether he can take either Monco or Joe or both.


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: Mw/NNrules on September 14, 2007, 04:06:37 PM
If the three are considered one and the same, basically The Man with No Name, I believe he could beat Harmonica. Yes Harmonica is a more complex character, but Blondie (or which ever you prefer) is the epitomization of the perfect killer. Harmonica was more realistic. He even got shot in the arm at the beginning. One thing I like about Blondie is he's the perfect weapon in any given situation. Actually, not every situation, he's not a politician or anything, but he's clever enough to always come out on top. Just violent situations, I guess. He's an icon for all anti heroes. He knows exactly what he's doing through the course of the three movies. They're both great gunslingers, but when you compare them from my point of view, Blondie comes out on top.


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: Senza on February 24, 2013, 04:30:36 AM
Not possible, my friend. If such an interaction were to occur, we'd have the universe caving in on itself from that much EPIC awesomeness!


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: Senza on March 17, 2013, 10:13:33 PM
But the more I think about it, I'd have to go with Joe/Monco/Blondie.


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: Huey on March 26, 2013, 04:56:03 PM
Harmonica by a distance, especially if it is true that GBU were intended to be the three men waiting at the station.


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: Senza on March 27, 2013, 01:39:39 AM
Harmonica by a distance, especially if it is true that GBU were intended to be the three men waiting at the station.

I just can't imagine Joe/Manco/Blondie getting gunned down.


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: cigar joe on March 27, 2013, 03:50:33 AM
I just can't imagine Joe/Manco/Blondie getting gunned down.

Yea, but you gotta remember it wouldn't be Joe/Manco/Blondie that Eastwood would have portrayed, he would have been a completely different character.


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: Senza on March 27, 2013, 04:12:58 AM
Yea, but you gotta remember it wouldn't be Joe/Manco/Blondie that Eastwood would have portrayed, he would have been a completely different character.

Yeah, I guess, but still, Clint Eastwood getting gunned down? I mean, it suited him in Gran Torino, but not in this.


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: Huey on January 27, 2014, 12:59:32 PM
I think the point about realism hits the nail on the head. Leone spoke of his westerns as fairy tales and some of the gunplay deployed in the trilogy underlines that so, yes, Clint appeared to be invincible against all odds. OUTW was a different concept which was close to reality in storytelling terms. So, although Charlie can take on three men and win, he gets hit himself in the process. If Clint had been in this film, his "untouchable fairy tale legend" persona would have been seriously revised.


Title: Re: Joe/Monco/Blondie vs Harmonica
Post by: franksgrandson on February 05, 2014, 02:57:55 PM
I gotta go with Harmonica! the man is driven which will make him faster that a man motivates by greed!
only Eastwood in Fistful of Dollars shows some misty driven purpose when he saves Marisol "I knew someone like you once and there was no one there to help?" that's a film all by itself.
I think it would have been awesome to see Clint, Eli and LVC as the three gunmen its a great fantasy but the presence of Jack Elam, Woody Strode really takes some beating! the scene could have only been improved with say someone like Glen Ford as Knuckles but that's a personal opinion and anyway the scene is perfect as it is!