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Films of Sergio Leone => Once Upon A Time In The West => Topic started by: poderator on July 26, 2007, 01:09:49 AM

Title: hat question?
Post by: poderator on July 26, 2007, 01:09:49 AM
When I saw OUATIW again recently I noticed maybe irelevant fact. In the scene where Frank and Morton had their coversation, and in the Frank/Jill "love scene" Frank didn't have his hat on, of course >:D.Cheyenne is also without his hat in the famous shaving scene at McBain's farm.
But Harmonica? Did he ever took of his hat in this movie? If he did, I somehow missed it. I know that he didn't have his hat in the hanging scene, but it is different thing, he was young, and it was before his tragedy occured. Also in the scene that was cut out from the movie when sheriff's men are beating Harmonica.  Even inside the house he is wearing his hat. Like it was his part of the body or something. :)
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: Whalestoe on July 26, 2007, 01:57:13 AM
Doesn't his hate fall of his head when he is shot during the opening scene? I might be wrong. I haven't watched the film in about two weeks. Can someone confirm?
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: noodles_leone on July 26, 2007, 03:59:55 AM
Doesn't his hate fall of his head when he is shot during the opening scene? I might be wrong. I haven't watched the film in about two weeks. Can someone confirm?

His hat falls, if i remeber correctly.
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: Bill Carson on July 26, 2007, 05:22:22 AM
His hat falls, if i remeber correctly.

It is not in that scene only. In the scene when he was washing his face at the well, he was hideing his gun bellow his hat. To help you remember that scene, that was happening at Jill`s (McBain`s) estate, and there he soots two (I think two) of the Frank`s man, following the scene with Shyenne, when he sais: "Not that he just khows how to play, he knows how to shoot, too". I think I got it right.
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: moviesceleton on July 26, 2007, 10:22:59 AM
And the train scene.
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 26, 2007, 03:32:25 PM
Yup, his hat is off in two sequences during the film. I'm surprised you didn't remember.
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: poderator on July 26, 2007, 11:51:40 PM
Yes, you are right, I guess I should watch this once more O0
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: Bill Carson on July 27, 2007, 12:59:11 AM
It deserves to be watched a 100+ times (like all Leone`s movies)!  O0
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 27, 2007, 02:17:42 PM
It deserves to be watched a 100+ times (like all Leone`s movies)!  O0

I agree, but even more Bill, 1000+ is more like it! O0
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: Bill Carson on July 28, 2007, 10:07:24 AM
I agree, but even more Bill, 1000+ is more like it! O0

What else can I say then this - I totaly agree with you.  O0
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: marmota-b on August 05, 2007, 06:04:15 AM
I think it's, as you wrote already, in the beginng, at the well on Sweetwater and in the train. So it's three sequences.


I have another hat question... about the type of hat Man With No Name wears. I mean, its top (I lack English terms, so if it isn't called like that, just pretend it is and later tell me what the right term is, OK?), it seems to me it isn't a very common type. Actually, the same type appears in OUATITW, too (I think Cheyenne has such hat, or was it Frank?) I had a feeling for a while that it's such "SW hat".

So my question is, is it actually more common than I think? Does it appear in American westerns, too?

If you need to know which type of hat I mean...

(http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/8439/klobouk02xk8.png)

... I mean, that dented top.
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: cigar joe on August 05, 2007, 05:12:28 PM
This hat is I think called a slouch hat, and it has a flat blocked top, its not a cowboy hat. It was introduced by a Hungarian to America circa 1852.

http://www.cowboyhathistory.org/civil_war/civil_war.html
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: Bill Carson on August 06, 2007, 12:06:49 AM
Actually, the same type appears in OUATITW, too (I think Cheyenne has such hat, or was it Frank?)

So my question is, is it actually more common than I think? Does it appear in American westerns, too?

I think that Frank wears similar hat.

Also, if I recall correctly, I think that similar hat was wearing Dean Martin in Rio Bravo (not the whole time of the movie, but in the few scenes when he stop drinking and when he bought a new clothes). I`m not shure, though.
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: marmota-b on August 06, 2007, 04:23:46 AM
This hat is I think called a slouch hat, and it has a flat blocked top, its not a cowboy hat. It was introduced by a Hungarian to America circa 1852.

http://www.cowboyhathistory.org/civil_war/civil_war.html

CJ, you really know where to find what you're looking for, don't you? ;) That's said to be an even better ability than knowing things...
However, when I'm googling "slouch hat", most results I get don't look like this one...

I was also asking because I don't remember seeing it on any old photos from West. It really doesn't look like a common cowboy hat; that's what's so cool on it, isn't it? I wouldn't mind having such hat...

I think that Frank wears similar hat.

Also, if I recall correctly, I think that similar hat was wearing Dean Martin in Rio Bravo (not the whole time of the movie, but in the few scenes when he stop drinking and when he bought a new clothes). I`m not shure, though.

I haven't seen many American westerns... almost none, to be correct. So I'm glad someone else can give me the information.

And yeah, looking on the production photos from my DVD, I noticed it was Frank who had it. And I saw it on a picture from McBain massacre as well.
However, I still think Cheyenne has it, too. There was a thread somewhere where someone was wondering if Cheyenne's hat was the one from Dollar Trilogy, and someone even spotted the holes in it. However, when I look at it, he doesn't have such flat brim Blondie's hat does have...

(http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5213/017gc0.png)
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/876/040fs0.png)
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/6834/149lu9.png)

Al Mulloch is wearing similar one as well, I believe.

(http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/5971/021fr5.png)

And Woody Strode's hat is definitelly this type:

(http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/9296/022mw9.png)

As well as the two Frank's men at Sweetwater:

(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/441/148cb3.png)

I love taking stills and later using them here. :D
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: cigar joe on August 06, 2007, 04:51:57 AM
Frank is wearing a "Gaucho" style hat.

This is a slouch hat below:

(http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/1664/ugranttopichc6.jpg)
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: marmota-b on August 06, 2007, 05:03:02 AM
Frank is wearing a "Gaucho" style hat.

Then Blondie's hat is Gaucho, too, I'd say. Which is funny, because when I was trying to find similar ponchos as his, I found them on pictures of some Chilean gauchos...
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: cigar joe on August 06, 2007, 05:05:00 PM
gaucho hats:

http://www.millerhats.com/gaucho_catalog/gaucho.html
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on August 06, 2007, 09:38:02 PM
Anybody own these type hats just for collecting?
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: marmota-b on August 07, 2007, 01:48:05 AM
gaucho hats:

http://www.millerhats.com/gaucho_catalog/gaucho.html

They aren't the same! The top is different!
That's quite a mysterious hat. :P
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: cigar joe on August 07, 2007, 05:03:23 AM
You can change the crowns (tops) to any style you like by steam blocking.

You can by slouch hats I have one, it looks like a gangster's  hat the way its blocked and it has a silk ribbon around the crown, but as I was showing Fiercraker and Peacemaker before the Morricone Concert, you can push it down and make it a flat crown and all you would have to do to make it look similar to the MWNN's hat is remove the silk and add a brown leather dog collar in its place..

We have a picture of one that somebody did this too on the board.

found it:

http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=1947.msg27332#msg27332

The brim just looks a tad bit short maybe another !/2 inch or inch

Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: marmota-b on August 07, 2007, 07:07:20 AM
We have a picture of one that somebody did this too on the board.

found it:

http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=1947.msg27332#msg27332

The brim just looks a tad bit short maybe another !/2 inch or inch

Ah yes, I remember that one! Really a bit short brim, but it looks good anyway.

So, generally speaking, the top doesn't affect the type that much, because it can be changed?
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 07, 2007, 09:36:35 AM
Anybody own these type hats just for collecting?

I purchased a hat that's almost exactly like the gaucho for my future western.


It's black and has the flat brim, but the front of the crown is a bit higher than the back.
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: Cusser on August 07, 2007, 12:09:18 PM
http://www.spaghettiwesternreplicas.com/hat.html

not cheap though
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: marmota-b on August 08, 2007, 01:14:55 AM
http://www.spaghettiwesternreplicas.com/hat.html

not cheap though

And anyway, it would look better if it wasn't so clean... a bit of holes and dust would make it more similar. ;D
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: geoman-1 on August 08, 2007, 03:38:26 PM
Good point Marmota. If I ever buy that style of hat, the first thing I will do
will be to toss it on the ground and repeatedly step on it until it slowly
evolves into a "true" SW hat. Too bad hats are no longer in vogue, at least
in the N.E. US. I especially like hats on women. They can be soooo sexy.
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: Sonny on August 08, 2007, 03:56:30 PM
Good point Marmota. If I ever buy that style of hat, the first thing I will do
will be to toss it on the ground and repeatedly step on it until it slowly
evolves into a "true" SW hat. Too bad hats are no longer in vogue, at least
in the N.E. US. I especially like hats on women. They can be soooo sexy.

Right.  Imagine Roseanne in a cowgirl hat sayin' "Ride 'em cowboy, whoa!!"

Sexy right?
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 08, 2007, 03:59:09 PM
Right.  Imagine Roseanne in a cowgirl hat sayin' "Ride 'em cowboy, whoa!!"

Sexy right?







I just felt a chill go down my spine.

(shudders)
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: geoman-1 on August 08, 2007, 04:02:50 PM
Thanks Sonny, I am ruined for life :P
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: geoman-1 on August 08, 2007, 04:04:41 PM
Hey Sonny, how'bout you post a photo with you wearing a hat. I am
sure you would do it justice, just so I can get that Roseanne image out of
my mind. ;)
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: Silenzio on August 08, 2007, 04:05:52 PM
Hahahahahaha.
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: geoman-1 on August 08, 2007, 04:13:31 PM
Ouch!! That really stung Sonny. But hey, in geologic time I am still a youngster.
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: Silenzio on August 08, 2007, 04:18:08 PM
I would, except... i'm sorry geoman, but the age limit is twenty-five for looking at pictures of me..

And by that i mean, you must be UNDER 25..

Give me a second to round up RR, Groggy, and Peace.
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: Silenzio on August 08, 2007, 04:19:57 PM
We shouldn't discriminate against Moviesceleton, though.
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: geoman-1 on August 08, 2007, 04:20:32 PM
In geologic time, you'd also be.. what's the term?  something along the lines of.. primitive.
Well, I at least  have opposable thumbs.
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 08, 2007, 04:21:25 PM
So do I!



Do I get a prize?
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: geoman-1 on August 08, 2007, 04:24:53 PM
I believe Sonny is still holding the "Would You...?" thread against me.
I'm sorry Sonny. I sometimes get in wistful moods.
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: geoman-1 on August 08, 2007, 04:28:33 PM
(Note to self: Never, ever use the  ;) smiley when Sonny is logged on)


(fa-ce'-tious  adj.  1. not to be taken seriously or literally)


I still love you Sonny ::)
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: marmota-b on August 09, 2007, 02:03:24 AM
Too bad hats are no longer in vogue, at least
in the N.E. US. I especially like hats on women.

I would wear hats in summer, I think. If I had one. The only hat we have at home is a straw hat with a scarf thing instead of band and that doesn't look good... and it's my mother's, which means I cannot do anything about it. Plus I don't like its top anyway... When I was in the USA, they lended me a straw hat because it was so hot and sunny; that one had a nice top, almost like these SW hats. ;)
And I'm too lazy and never have as much money to go and buy a hat... though I might tell my mom I want one from her, when I think about it, she suggested something like she can buy me something now if I want... ::)

My father says that when he was a child, he was afraid that one day he'd be as old that he would have to wear hats. When he was as old, it turned out that everybody was afraid of it.
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: cigar joe on August 09, 2007, 01:22:48 PM
http://www.sheplers.com/cat.cfm?VendorId=49&GroupCode=07&page=Vendor&TID=10&source=MSN_hats_shady_brady
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: geoman-1 on August 09, 2007, 01:38:51 PM
I would wear hats in summer, I think. If I had one. The only hat we have at home is a straw hat with a scarf thing instead of band and that doesn't look good... and it's my mother's, which means I cannot do anything about it. Plus I don't like its top anyway... When I was in the USA, they lended me a straw hat because it was so hot and sunny; that one had a nice top, almost like these SW hats. ;)
And I'm too lazy and never have as much money to go and buy a hat... though I might tell my mom I want one from her, when I think about it, she suggested something like she can buy me something now if I want... ::)

My father says that when he was a child, he was afraid that one day he'd be as old that he would have to wear hats. When he was as old, it turned out that everybody was afraid of it.
Then I suggest you throw on your mother's hat and post a photo. O0
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: marmota-b on August 09, 2007, 11:40:29 PM
http://www.sheplers.com/cat.cfm?VendorId=49&GroupCode=07&page=Vendor&TID=10&source=MSN_hats_shady_brady

I actually don't like this type of western hat... definitelly less than the one I'm talking about here... I like flatter brims.

Then I suggest you throw on your mother's hat and post a photo. O0

Maybe I would, but not the way you imagine it, whatever way I'd do it. ;)

Maybe something like this:

(http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/7697/jgl4.gif)
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: geoman-1 on August 10, 2007, 04:49:32 AM

Maybe I would, but not the way you imagine it, whatever way I'd do it. ;)




Marmota, how could you think of me like that? Have you been talking to Sonny? ::)
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: marmota-b on August 10, 2007, 07:06:08 AM
Marmota, how could you think of me like that? Have you been talking to Sonny? ::)

I don't think about you in any way. Just thinkng you would prefer seeing me from front and that's something I most probably won't show on such a public place...



(Shhh... if you wanted to see me from front, I could send such a photo to you in PM, OK? But shhh.... :-X)
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 10, 2007, 11:15:09 AM
I actually don't like this type of western hat... definitelly less than the one I'm talking about here... I like flatter brims.



I agree with you there.


Those look too silly. The gaucho is my favorite.
Title: Re: hat question?
Post by: marmota-b on August 11, 2007, 08:50:47 AM
Those look too silly.

Yeah, they look like "Look, I've got a western hat!" :P