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Title: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: Bad Max on August 08, 2007, 07:15:58 AM
I was wondering if my favorite director and actor of all time got along while filming this movie, I know Kinski was a crazy troublemaker.

 :)


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on August 08, 2007, 10:04:10 AM
I was wondering if my favorite director and actor of all time got along while filming this movie, I know Kinski was a crazy troublemaker.

 :)

Kinsky was a trouble maker? I didn't knot this. I'm sure somebody here can clarify this.


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: moviesceleton on August 08, 2007, 10:58:49 AM
Kinsky was a trouble maker? I didn't knot this. I'm sure somebody here can clarify this.
If I remember right, here is something so I don't have to explain everything myself: http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=5636.0  Kinski is known as a very difficult person to work with.


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: Cusser on August 08, 2007, 12:42:46 PM
Maybe that's where the line about Kinski in FDM "he doesn't like anybody" came from. 


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: titoli on August 08, 2007, 04:25:23 PM
Kinsky had only good words for Leone and the shooting of the movie proceeded smoothly. I don't think he could have behaved badly even had he wanted to because:

1) He was a nobody at the time, except in Germany
2) His movie time was short
3) Leone could count on Brega to put Kinsky in line


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: Silenzio on August 08, 2007, 04:30:55 PM

3) Leone could count on Brega to put Kinsky in line

 ;D  ;D


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on August 08, 2007, 09:40:51 PM
Kinsky had only good words for Leone and the shooting of the movie proceeded smoothly. I don't think he could have behaved badly even had he wanted to because:

1) He was a nobody at the time, except in Germany
2) His movie time was short
3) Leone could count on Brega to put Kinsky in line

lol, good points titoli.


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: Bad Max on August 09, 2007, 03:32:46 AM
Mario Brega? how?


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: Jill on August 09, 2007, 03:47:33 AM
Just imagine: Kinski makes troubles...

Sergio:

"Mario, teach him where his place is..."

Mario:

"Hey, ya german SOB. What do you want?"

Klaus (gets small):

"N-nothing..."


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on August 09, 2007, 09:31:10 AM
Mario Brega? how?

It was a joke, being Mario Brega is a big guy and a badass. He would have been the ideal guy to put Klaus in his place. He's Leone's hired gun.  ;D


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: titoli on August 09, 2007, 04:02:24 PM
Quote
"Hey, ya german SOB. What do you want?" 

Klaus (gets small):

"N-nothing..."

Mmmm, I'd rather imagine it going like this:
(Pushing his finger on K.'s chest, starting to excavate a small pit) "Hey, ya german midget, we don't want that crap here, uh?"
"Yes, Sir."


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: moviesceleton on August 09, 2007, 04:09:49 PM
Mmmm, I'd rather imagine it going like this:
(Pushing his finger on K.'s chest, starting to excavate a small pit) "Hey, ya german midget, we don't want that crap here, uh?"
"Yes, Sir."
I can imagine Kinski doing that just like in Woyzeck. ;D


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: Jill on August 10, 2007, 08:20:46 AM
How was Mario Brega in real life? I don't think he was an evil henchman...  ;D


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: titoli on August 10, 2007, 11:13:17 AM
To have a more precise portrait of him as an actor you should check his first two movies made for Carlo Verdone, where he plays a kind of low-brow roman character, speaking with his own voice and leaving us some memorable lines. It was those two movies which made him a (relatively) famous actor for the big audiences.   


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 10, 2007, 12:26:24 PM
If only Leone had Mario to threaten the executives at Paramount when they wanted to cut Once Upon a Time in the West  8)

Kinski was great as Dracula.


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on August 10, 2007, 12:28:46 PM
Kinski played Dracula? I never seen this.


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 10, 2007, 12:34:28 PM
http://imdb.com/title/tt0079641/

It's a remake of the classic horror Nostferatu (1922)



Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on August 10, 2007, 02:11:30 PM
http://imdb.com/title/tt0079641/

It's a remake of the classic horror Nostferatu (1922)



Thanks Kevin!


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 10, 2007, 02:13:03 PM
No problem!

Anyway, too bad Leone didn't bring Mario to man handle the Paramount Executives like he did to Tuco...America would have seen a better movie.


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: Kurug3n on August 10, 2007, 03:48:47 PM
Kinsky was a trouble maker? I didn't knot this. I'm sure somebody here can clarify this.

Well he likes to yell  :-\ http://youtube.com/watch?v=yITx7txr-7M (http://youtube.com/watch?v=yITx7txr-7M)


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: titoli on August 10, 2007, 05:06:38 PM
It is interesting to make a comparison between Kinski and Robards as done here:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gTgDXu_Nhys&mode=related&search=


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on September 03, 2007, 12:11:35 AM
It is interesting to make a comparison between Kinski and Robards as done here:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gTgDXu_Nhys&mode=related&search=

Interesting.


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: Groggy on September 03, 2007, 05:06:29 PM
I understand enough German to understand what he's saying. Too funny. ;D


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: Arizona Colt on September 05, 2007, 11:46:46 PM
according to his autobiography, Kinski had nothing but kind words for Leone which was rare as he seldom had anything kind to say about anyone else he worked with!  ;D


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: The Firecracker on September 05, 2007, 11:49:07 PM
according to his autobiography, Kinski had nothing but kind words for Leone

Just as I prophersized


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: Arizona Colt on September 05, 2007, 11:50:27 PM
Just as I prophersized


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D (inside joke) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on September 06, 2007, 08:09:33 AM

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D (inside joke) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Well, it's not funny if you don't share the joke.  ???


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: Arizona Colt on September 06, 2007, 01:24:37 PM
Kinski had problems with a director and made a comment about him dying in the near future. Well, it did happen and Kinski made the comment that the director died because he couldn't keep his trap shut...."Just as I had prophesized..."


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on September 07, 2007, 09:03:35 AM
Kinski had problems with a director and made a comment about him dying in the near future. Well, it did happen and Kinski made the comment that the director died because he couldn't keep his trap shut...."Just as I had prophesized..."

That's sad. I bet Kinski regretted saying something like that.


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: Arizona Colt on September 07, 2007, 01:53:33 PM
No, he didn't.


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on September 07, 2007, 04:30:11 PM
No, he didn't.

haha, how do you know AC, did you know Kinski?


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: Arizona Colt on September 07, 2007, 04:41:37 PM
Ha! Ha! No I did not. But I have his book. It is his own words so I need not have known him to explain the situation. But had I known him, I'm sure we'd have gotten along well.


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on September 07, 2007, 04:50:24 PM
Ha! Ha! No I did not. But I have his book. It is his own words so I need not have known him to explain the situation. But had I known him, I'm sure we'd have gotten along well.

ha ha, I wish you knew him. That would give us great insight into the mind of this guy. He was one interesting fella.


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: Arizona Colt on September 07, 2007, 06:34:41 PM
Just buy the book. There should still be copies around. It's been reprinted numerous times. I had typed up large chunks of the text verbatim on a Kinski thread from a long time ago.


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on September 13, 2007, 09:10:09 PM
Just buy the book. There should still be copies around. It's been reprinted numerous times. I had typed up large chunks of the text verbatim on a Kinski thread from a long time ago.

I will buy the book for sure! Thanks AC!


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: ShortFuse on January 13, 2009, 04:04:21 PM
Didn't Kinski claimed he had sex with numerous family members including his daughter?

I read somewhere that Kinski was mentally ill and had no control over what he says.


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: Groggy on January 13, 2009, 04:45:15 PM
Mmmm, I'd rather imagine it going like this:
(Pushing his finger on K.'s chest, starting to excavate a small pit) "Hey, ya german midget, we don't want that crap here, uh?"
"Yes, Sir."

I should think Brega would just sit on Kinski if he got out of line.


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: The Firecracker on January 13, 2009, 11:45:57 PM
Didn't Kinski claimed he had sex with numerous family members including his daughter?


Wasn't Carla Leone underage? Like... really underage?


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: moviesceleton on January 14, 2009, 05:14:56 AM

Wasn't Carla Leone underage? Like... really underage?
I suppose you mean Francesca or Raffaella? I think they were like babies. I'm not sure if the younger one of them was even born then. But if ShortFuse uses Kinski's autobiography as a source I must add that I think Herzog said in his documentary about Kinski that Kinski made a lot of stuff up for that book; mostly sex stuff. I've never read the book through but I once picked it up and opened it up from a random page and it was a rather explicit account of how he took a young girl to his place and banged her.


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: Arizona Colt on January 14, 2009, 11:28:37 AM
The only underage girls I recall being mentioned in his book were some Vietnamese girls that were acquaintances of his then girlfriend/future wife and even then, the age isn't mentioned just that they looked very young to him.


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: ShortFuse on January 14, 2009, 12:42:55 PM
I meant from his own family. I thought Kinski admitted to have sex with his sister, mother, and his daughter, but he may have wrote that for shock value.


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: Arizona Colt on January 14, 2009, 02:05:45 PM
I meant from his own family. I thought Kinski admitted to have sex with his sister, mother, and his daughter, but he may have wrote that for shock value.

He does mention having sexual thoughts about a cousin I think it was. Can't remember off hand although I don't recall any mention of sex with his mother. He does talk about his mother a great deal but nothing in a sexual manner.


Title: Re: Did Leone and Kinski Get Along?
Post by: titoli on April 15, 2009, 09:54:36 PM
Reading Leone talks with Simsolo, I found he had to front a similar situation to the one envisaged  by us (and which didn't happen, as also well explained in the same book) at the time of COR with John Derek, which had to be substitued with Calhoun.