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Title: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 09, 2007, 10:48:28 PM
I was looking through the FORUM for a "Braveheart" thread and was surprised I didn't find one. Well, I'm changing that. I think this is one of the best films ever, bar none. Mel Gibson showed us exactly why he's one of the best director's working in Hollywood today. What amazes me is that this was only his second film behind the camera, and what he created was one of the most emotionally driven and thrilling films ever created. It excited us, it thrilled us, and it made us cry. It also has everything you could want, DRAMA, ACTION, and ROMANCE. It winning Best Picture in 1995 is well deserving, and I absolutely laugh when some believe it should not have won.

There has been many copy cat films ever since, but none come close to the brilliance of Braveheart, well maybe with the exception of Gladiator  which comes close. I remember back in 1995 when I seen it in the theatre, oh how people were shocked, and blown away at the most realistic fight scenes ever created for film. No CGI, just a director and his team hard at work to bring us some of the best battle sequences to ever grace the silver screen. How can you not forget the James Horner's masterful score that accompanied it. In my mind one of the best score's ever.

Mel Gibson I salute you for giving us such a film! At the time of it's release, many people thought this was one of the greatest film achievements in film history. But the past few years, some people have been turned off by Mel's action's and have changed their opinion's of him and his work. I think this is absolutely nonesense. You don't have to agree with Mel's behavior, but at least acknowledge that his work is great, especially Braveheart. This is one of the best American Films ever made, period.

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Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: PowerRR on August 09, 2007, 10:55:16 PM
Sucks.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 09, 2007, 10:57:56 PM
Sucks.

rr has yet to see Braveheart and is just trying to get under my skin.  ;)


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 09, 2007, 11:02:52 PM
Yeah I loved Braveheart, I use to annoy my family when they were watching the film on tv, I was acting out the gruesome death many of the characters have suffered.

But yeah the film was well done, even James Horner didn't rip off his own tunes.

Sadly Mel hasn't made another good movie since. He made it back when he wished he was Scottish, and now he makes films because either he wishes there is a God or that he is honoring a civilization that most people don't care about because they didn't contribute to our way of life.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: PowerRR on August 09, 2007, 11:03:39 PM
I am very sorry Mr. Tucumari_Bound, and I will make sure never to disappoint you again with my childish antics.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 09, 2007, 11:15:11 PM
I am very sorry Mr. Tucumari_Bound, and I will make sure never to disappoint you again with my childish antics.

 ;D You're the man rr! O0


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: Kurug3n on August 09, 2007, 11:15:27 PM
Sucks.

I agree O0


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 09, 2007, 11:17:11 PM
Yeah I loved Braveheart, I use to annoy my family when they were watching the film on tv, I was acting out the gruesome death many of the characters have suffered.

But yeah the film was well done, even James Horner didn't rip off his own tunes.

Sadly Mel hasn't made another good movie since. He made it back when he wished he was Scottish, and now he makes films because either he wishes there is a God or that he is honoring a civilization that most people don't care about because they didn't contribute to our way of life.

I would have to disagree Kevin. He has made two great films since "Braveheart". One being, "The Passion of the Christ", and the recent "Apocalypto" which I thought was masterful. Yes, "Passion" is hard to watch, but from a technical standpoint, it's outstanding. Mel is a great director, period.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 09, 2007, 11:20:02 PM
I would have to disagree Kevin. He has made two great films since "Braveheart". One being, "The Passion of the Christ", and the recent "Apocalypto" which I thought was masterful. Yes, "Passion" is hard to watch, but from a technical standpoint, it's outstanding. Mel is a great director, period.

Yeah the Passion is not my kind of film, too preachy, you know? But I don't think he can top Braveheart. The battle scenes were so cool!


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 09, 2007, 11:21:44 PM
Yeah the Passion is not my kind of film, too preachy, you know? But I don't think he can top Braveheart. The battle scenes were so cool!

I honestly didn't think "Passion" was too preachy. That's just me I guess.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 10, 2007, 12:02:25 AM
I am very sorry Mr. Tucumari_Bound, and I will make sure never to disappoint you again with my childish antics.


Yeah get off the stage ya prat!


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: Groggy on August 10, 2007, 06:35:22 AM
It was a reasonably entertaining movie. I definitely wouldn't say it's one of the greatest films ever made. I think I gave it a 7.5 since I couldn't decide whether it was a very good or truly great movie.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 10, 2007, 10:01:43 AM
It was a reasonably entertaining movie. I definitely wouldn't say it's one of the greatest films ever made. I think I gave it a 7.5 since I couldn't decide whether it was a very good or truly great movie.

Well Groggy, you are trully one of the hardest critics I've ever come across. I dunno how somebody could not be blown away by this film. The emotion's that this film gets out of you is something rare. It's incredible, period.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 10, 2007, 12:21:53 PM
Well Groggy, you are trully one of the hardest critics I've ever come across. I dunno how somebody could not be blown away by this film. The emotion's that this film gets out of you is something rare. It's incredible, period.

One of my favorite scenes, is when Mel and Brenden Gleeson were throwing stones.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 10, 2007, 12:24:22 PM
One of my favorite scenes, is when Mel and Brenden Gleeson were throwing stones.

HAHAHA, I do love that scene. It's hilarious.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 10, 2007, 12:26:54 PM
HAHAHA, I do love that scene. It's hilarious.

I was thinking "I bet nothing has changed in Scotland"


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 10, 2007, 12:33:28 PM
I was thinking "I bet nothing has changed in Scotland"

I'm sure some people still live like that in Scotland. haha Great people those Scott's! That's a place I want to visit someday.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 10, 2007, 12:37:05 PM
I'm sure some people still live like that in Scotland. haha Great people those Scott's! That's a place I want to visit someday.

Yeah that and Ireland.

Sean Connery, Scotland's most famous export, refuses to return to Scotland when the English still rule them.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 10, 2007, 12:51:06 PM
Yeah that and Ireland.

Sean Connery, Scotland's most famous export, refuses to return to Scotland when the English still rule them.

Yeah, I wanna visit Italy, Greece, Ireland, Australia, Scotland, and France. Talk about a great trip that be!

Connery should still go back there though. It is after all his homeland ya know.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 10, 2007, 12:56:20 PM
Yeah, I wanna visit Italy, Greece, Ireland, Australia, Scotland, and France. Talk about a great trip that be!

Connery should still go back there though. It is after all his homeland ya know.

Yeah i can never afford that...I can be a stow away though.

Yeah Connery should be doing a lot of things.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 10, 2007, 01:23:01 PM
Yeah i can never afford that...I can be a stow away though.

Yeah Connery should be doing a lot of things.

I love Connery's work but I'm mad he declined to be in the up and coming Indiana Jones Film. He says he's enjoying retirement to much. COME ON Sean, You're an actor, you've been retired for 40 years for god sakes!


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 10, 2007, 01:48:48 PM
And he doesn't seem to regret playing James Bond...i wouldn't...all those beautiful women.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 10, 2007, 01:56:21 PM
And he doesn't seem to regret playing James Bond...i wouldn't...all those beautiful women.

Oh yes, the women he got to kiss. WOW!  :o How could you regret that.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 10, 2007, 02:01:08 PM
Oh yes, the women he got to kiss. WOW!  :o How could you regret that.

And he's quite the ladies man in real life I heard.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: Kurug3n on August 10, 2007, 02:02:24 PM
I dunno how somebody could not be blown away by this film. The emotion's that this film gets out of you is something rare.

1.They watch it and could care less (like me)

2.No its not O0


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: Groggy on August 10, 2007, 05:16:39 PM
Well Groggy, you are trully one of the hardest critics I've ever come across. I dunno how somebody could not be blown away by this film. The emotion's that this film gets out of you is something rare. It's incredible, period.

You're yelling at me instead of the guys who are slagging off on it as a terrible movie!? What's your problem dude? ???


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 10, 2007, 07:21:12 PM
You're yelling at me instead of the guys who are slagging off on it as a terrible movie!? What's your problem dude? ???

Groggy, relax. I wasn't yelling at you. I'm just having a conversation with you because you at least have something to say and you like to back up your opinion's. I'm not getting mad because you're disagreeing with me.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: Groggy on August 11, 2007, 05:59:00 AM
Yeah, but you said the exact same thing about my opinion on "Gladiator". I'm a harsh critic because I don't give every movie a 10/10? Okay, I guess that's a valid statement. . . ::)

I honestly don't think there's anything special in "Braveheart". Is it an entertaining film? Yes. Is the cast generally good? Yes, but not great except Patrick McGoohan. Are the battle scenes well-done? Yes, for the most part. But so far as I'm concerned, there isn't anything that reaches out and grabs me to pull me into the movie. It just lacks that indefinable "something" for me to give it a great movie rating (8/10 or higher).


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 11, 2007, 08:48:26 AM
Yeah, but you said the exact same thing about my opinion on "Gladiator". I'm a harsh critic because I don't give every movie a 10/10? Okay, I guess that's a valid statement. . . ::)

I honestly don't think there's anything special in "Braveheart". Is it an entertaining film? Yes. Is the cast generally good? Yes, but not great except Patrick McGoohan. Are the battle scenes well-done? Yes, for the most part. But so far as I'm concerned, there isn't anything that reaches out and grabs me to pull me into the movie. It just lacks that indefinable "something" for me to give it a great movie rating (8/10 or higher).

Ok, I'm sorry I called you a harsh critic. It doesn't mean I'm putting you down. It's ok to agree to disagree Groggy. No harm done.  :)


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 11, 2007, 09:02:46 AM
Fight fight fight!  >:D


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 11, 2007, 09:52:57 AM
Fight fight fight!  >:D

hahahahaaha. FRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: Nakadai on August 11, 2007, 11:23:36 AM
As much as it sickens me to even look at Mel Gibson the man these days, I must admit Braveheart is an absolutely  wonderful film.  It's one I find myself never tiring of, and generally always give it a look see when strolling by it during my infrequent channel surfings.

It's hard to say what grabs me about it, it's more the overall feel of it all. Not quite that of Kubrick's Spartacus, but epic still.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 11, 2007, 12:02:37 PM
As much as it sickens me to even look at Mel Gibson the man these days, I must admit Braveheart is an absolutely  wonderful film.  It's one I find myself never tiring of, and generally always give it a look see when strolling by it during my infrequent channel surfings.

It's hard to say what grabs me about it, it's more the overall feel of it all. Not quite that of Kubrick's Spartacus, but epic still.

Kubrick's Spartacus is a wonderful film but extremely flawed. I think Braveheart is a step up from that film.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: Nakadai on August 16, 2007, 10:53:47 PM
Flawed yes, but it has a timelessness and wonderment for me that Braveheart just can't meet. I'll admit, a good portion of that stems from watching and loving it as a kid. Also let's face it, Kirk Douglas is way cooler than Gibson ever will be. You could pound six inch spikes with his chin alone, that right there is just how badass he is.



Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 17, 2007, 11:09:58 AM
Flawed yes, but it has a timelessness and wonderment for me that Braveheart just can't meet. I'll admit, a good portion of that stems from watching and loving it as a kid. Also let's face it, Kirk Douglas is way cooler than Gibson ever will be. You could pound six inch spikes with his chin alone, that right there is just how badass he is.



Well, Spartacus is a definite classic. It's one of my favorite films and I do agree that it is timeless. Braveheart in my opinion will only get better with age. I think people years from now will think it's timeless just as we think Spartacus is. I'm just a big fan of the film as you can see so you know where I'm coming from. I've talked to countless people who have the same beliefs as me about the film. Of course there is people like you I've talked to who do not feel the same way but I do enjoy debating them about it. It makes the subject a lot more fun.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: Groggy on August 17, 2007, 04:52:50 PM
While "Spartacus" has its fair share of flaws, as I'm sure Dave is chomping at the bit to point out, it's definitely a superior film to "Braveheart", at least on an artistic level. As good as most of the actors in "Braveheart" are, the entire cast is made up of cartoonish stereotypes (the British characters being the most obvious, but far from the only example) and the story and conflicts depicted lack real depth or complexity. "Spartacus" has well-rounded characters, a very literate script, and depth in story and ideas which "Braveheart" altogether lacks. It is not as cerebral as it could have been had Trumbo or Kubrick's original vision(s) been completely preserved, but for a popular film it is still remarkably intelligent and remains pertinent today. "Braveheart" is basically a very well-made period action film, but not much else. There's nothing wrong with that, mind you, I just don't think it deserves to be called a truly great film. Feel the same way about "Gladiator", which on many levels is "Spartacus Lite", but that's another thread that we've already discussed.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: dave jenkins on August 18, 2007, 03:39:31 AM
Groggy's nailed it. Although I'm not a big fan of Spartacus, it is clearly superior to Braveheart. All you have to do is compare the scores......


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: Noodles_SlowStir on August 18, 2007, 09:20:48 AM
The Alex North score is great....particularly the love theme.  Quite a few great artists like Bill Evans have covered that one.  I'm also in agreement with Groggy.  Spartacus is definitely the better film of the three.  I guess one needs to accept it for what it is.  He was basically a replacement director.  He didn't have the creative control over the project to make it a more personal vision.  There are historical inaccuracies.  It definitely isn't one of his best films....but it's still a fine film.  I really disliked Gladiator and was quite surprised by the acclaim the film received.  I have a better view of Braveheart than Gladiator.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: cigar joe on August 18, 2007, 10:40:42 AM
Not me. I like Gladiator above the others.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: dave jenkins on August 18, 2007, 01:13:53 PM
I suspect it's because you've never seen Fall of the Roman Empire.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 18, 2007, 01:23:57 PM
I suspect it's because you've never seen Fall of the Roman Empire.

One part I find most memerable in that movie is when that guy got his head cut off.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 18, 2007, 01:29:37 PM
One part I find most memerable in that movie is when that guy got his head cut off.

The whole damn film is MEMORABLE.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 18, 2007, 01:31:09 PM
The whole damn film is MEMORABLE.

I haven't seen The Fall of the Roman Empire in a long time, but I will always remember that decapitation, I didn't think they do that in the 60's.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 18, 2007, 01:33:41 PM
I haven't seen The Fall of the Roman Empire in a long time, but I will always remember that decapitation, I didn't think they do that in the 60's.

I was talking about Braveheart as a whole being MEMORABLE. Sorry, that was my mixup.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 18, 2007, 01:34:42 PM
I was talking about Braveheart as a whole being MEMORABLE. Sorry, that was my mixup.

I remember back in middle school this kid and I were having a debate which film was more violent, Braveheart or Gladiator.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 18, 2007, 01:36:56 PM
I remember back in middle school this kid and I were having a debate which film was more violent, Braveheart or Gladiator.

Probably Braveheart as a whole. Gladiator has a few scenes that mirror Bravheart's viloence, maybe even more extreme.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 18, 2007, 01:39:39 PM
Probably Braveheart as a whole. Gladiator has a few scenes that mirror Bravheart's viloence, maybe even more extreme.

Yeah both films had pretty gruesome voilence. Nice.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: Groggy on August 18, 2007, 04:44:36 PM
FOTRE isn't that good. It starts out strong but peters out after the Intermission. I do think "Gladiator" is much better than FOTRE, although it's certainly weaker than "Spartacus". Russell Crowe is a great lead, while Stephen Boyd is a block of wood. Even though the supporting cast is better than "Gladiator", FOTRE is seriously flawed because its lead character is so weak and uncharimsatic. I'm torn between Christopher Plummer and Joaquin Phoenix being the better Commodus (will always thinking of Phoenix first), Guinness is a much better Marcus Aurelius than Harris (although to be fair to Richard, he has less screen time and less script to work with) and "Gladiator" has no equivalent of James Mason's great character, the intellectual Greek servant (at least to my recollection).


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: cigar joe on August 18, 2007, 08:35:54 PM
I didn't like TFORE very much even with Guiness & Loren


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: tucumcari bound on October 04, 2008, 11:23:31 AM

This is a beautiful video for one of the most beautiful pieces of cinema ever...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg3xUA2wvrU


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: Kurug3n on October 04, 2008, 12:00:42 PM
This is a beautiful video for one of the most beautiful pieces of cinema ever...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg3xUA2wvrU

sounds pretentious


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: tucumcari bound on October 04, 2008, 12:15:13 PM
sounds pretentious

Not a surprised comment coming from a member here. No biggie. This is a great film and I'll continue to say it is here.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: dave jenkins on October 04, 2008, 12:44:21 PM
Uh huh. Tell me again in 30 years.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: Whalestoe on October 04, 2008, 01:06:28 PM
Uh huh. Tell me again in 30 years.

u pre10shus snob!


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: tucumcari bound on October 04, 2008, 01:10:30 PM
Uh huh. Tell me again in 30 years.

I love you man.  O0


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: PowerRR on October 04, 2008, 05:44:44 PM
Awful, awful movie.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: T.H. on October 04, 2008, 06:37:21 PM
Awful, awful movie.

srsly.


Title: Re: Braveheart (1995)
Post by: tucumcari bound on October 04, 2008, 06:49:41 PM
Awful, awful movie.

You're a nitwit.