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Title: Welcome to Hard Times (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on October 12, 2007, 10:13:02 AM
Dir. Burt Kennedy

Henry Fonda ...  Mayor Will Blue
Janice Rule ...  Molly Riordan
Keenan Wynn ...  Zar, Whiskey & Girls
Janis Paige ...  Adah one of Zar's Girls
John Anderson ...  Ezra / Isaac Maple
Warren Oates ...  Deputy Marshal Leo Jenks
Fay Spain ...  Jessie one of Zar's Girls
Edgar Buchanan ...  Brown, Territorial Governor's Rep.
Aldo Ray ...  Man from Bodie
Denver Pyle ...  Alfie the Stage Driver
Michael Shea ...  Jimmy Fee
Arlene Golonka ...  Mae one of Zar's Girls
Lon Chaney Jr. ...  Avery, Saloonkeeper (as Lon Chaney)
Royal Dano ...  John Bear

Saw this on TCM this morning recorded it from last night.

Run down shanty town gets attacked by heavy (Aldo Ray) the "Bad Man from Bodie", he literally burns it down, killing a few of the citizens in the process.  Fonda plays lawer Blue who must eventually face up to him. Its a reminicent of the plot of Firecreek. Its kind of slow and plodding showing the gradual repopulation of the town into a tent city built partly upon the foundations of the former towm lots of good cameos but not much to recomend going out of your way to see. Warren Oates has a bit part, and quite a few other western character actors have walk-on parts. Overall a 6/10.


Title: Re: Welcome to Hard Times (1967)
Post by: Ben Tyreen on October 12, 2007, 11:37:21 AM
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Saw this on TCM this morning recorded it from last night.

Run down shanty town gets attacked by heavy (Aldo Ray) the "Bad Man from Bodie", he literally burns it down, killing a few of the citizens in the process.  Fonda plays lawer Blue who must eventually face up to him. Its a reminicent of the plot of Firecreek. Its kind of slow and plodding showing the gradual repopulation of the town into a tent city built partly upon the foundations of the former towm lots of good cameos but not much to recomend going out of your way to see. Warren Oates has a bit part, and quite a few other western character actors have walk-on parts. Overall a 6/10.

  I actually liked this one.  It grew on me as it went along, all the way up to the ending that I didn't really see coming, or at least in how it was done.  I thought Fonda was good, Aldo Ray was so over the top that he was perfect, and Keenan Wynn, John Anderson and Warren Oates were all good supporting characters.  Oh, Edgar Buchanan too, I liked his one-scene cameo. 

  Not a great movie, but I'd go 7/10 I guess.


Title: Re: Welcome to Hard Times (1967)
Post by: Noodles_SlowStir on October 12, 2007, 03:18:43 PM
Caught the last half hour or so of this.  So don't really think I can give full evaluation.  What I saw I thought it was a mixed bag.   I did think it was a different role for Henry Fonda.  It was sort of intriguing to see him so "whipped" by the Molly character.  He has his moment in the saloon defending the younger guy...and he has his moments of quiet strength and dignity he seems to keep to himself.     


Title: Re: Welcome to Hard Times (1967)
Post by: Banjo on October 16, 2007, 08:59:38 AM
Haven't seen this in ages but its shown regularly on the UK TCM channel but i remember it has sw influences and the bad guy with an evil chuckle (he never says anything) is very memorable.

Yeah slow and ploddy in places but worth at least 7 out of 10. O0


Title: Re: Welcome to Hard Times (1967)
Post by: Ben Tyreen on October 16, 2007, 10:36:10 AM
  Anyone read the book?  It's by E.L. Doctorow, the author of Ragtime.


Title: Re: Welcome to Hard Times (1967)
Post by: titoli on November 30, 2011, 12:49:14 PM

Overall a 6/10.

I would have agreed were it not for the final scene of the kid shooting. That downgrades it to 5\10. I wondered throughout the vision what the point was and, assuming it had one and being able to guess it, why make a movie about it. And watch it at that. Only for hymsomniacs.


Title: Re: Welcome to Hard Times (1967)
Post by: Richard--W on December 01, 2011, 02:49:25 PM
This adaptation of Welcome to Hard Times is a total failure. The script just doesn't work. It's too clean, and too obvious. It has no subtext. The set is all wrong, and this story needs a proper production design and some imagination in how it is shot. Love these actors in other films. A very different approach was needed.


Richard