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Title: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: moviesceleton on October 29, 2007, 08:55:26 AM
Director:   André De Toth
Writers:    Lee Wells (novel)
                 Philip Yordan (screenplay)
Producer:  Sidney Harmon
Composer:Alexander Courage
Cast:         Robert Ryan ...  Blaise Starrett
                 Burl Ives ...  Jack Bruhn
                 Tina Louise ...  Helen Crane
                 Alan Marshal ...  Hal Crane
                 Venetia Stevenson ...  Ernine, Vic's Daughter
                 David Nelson ...  Gene, Bruhn's Gang

A gang of outlaws, lead by Jack Bruhn (Ives), arrives to a small town in the mountains interrupting a showdown between Blaise Starrett (Ryan) and Hal Crane (Marshal). If you want know of the plot, watch the movie 8)

The pace is rather slow but the movie feels dragging only at few points. Directing doesn't attract attention but the main thing is that it works. Acting is good. The real strenghts are the screenplay, the environment and the score. Even though I'm no western expert, I can say the story is not the usual one (at least the solution is not). Plus none of the characters are purely good or evil. The movie is set in a town surrounded by snowcovered mountains and it looks like they shot all the outdoor scenes were shot on-location.

Overall a very good movie even though I know certain members would call it boring

8/10


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: cigar joe on October 29, 2007, 10:24:41 AM
thanks for the review, never seen this one.


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: Ben Tyreen on October 29, 2007, 08:01:51 PM
  I've never even heard of this one, but it sounds interesting.  Almost like Vera Cruz is to the Dollars trilogy, Day of the Outlaw is to The Great Silence.  Well kinda.  ;D


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: cigar joe on April 11, 2008, 09:27:58 PM
Wow Wow Wow!!!

Ok here is another Western that has dropped off the radar screen that is not only a very good Western but it is a the source of quotes that show up in Corbucci's "The Great Silence", in "Firecreek" and it in a way it also references "Shane".

I'll give a quick synopsis:

Directed by Andre' de Toth it stars Robert Ryan, Burl Ives, and Tina Louise (yes that Tina Louise "The Movie Star" from Gilligan's Island).  Anyway it begins with rancher Starrett (Ryan) & his foreman Dan (Persoff)  bucking their horses through heavy snow as the titles roll across the screen.  They stop outside of a small town at a wagon filled with rolls of barbed wire. Ryan is going to have a confrontation with farmer Hal Crane who has fenced off some choice land for a farmstead. Ryan is also in love with Crane's wife (Louise). After a period of time where we learn of all these various triangles the confrontation comes at the only saloon in town. Starrett faces off against Crane and three other farmers. Dan the foreman is drunk but Starrett tells him to roll an empty booze bottle down the bar and to draw when it falls off.

Up to this point this film seems like a typical Western and you think you know where its going.

Before the bottle reaches the end of the bar in through the saloon door bursts a deranged Bruhn (Ives) dressed as a Union Officer with great coat, hat, and belts, along with his crazed gang of loonies with guns drawn who have just made it through a mountian pass after robbing 18,000 dollars. The gang gathers all the townsfolk together as hostages. The gang want whiskey and women but Bruhn has taken a bullet in the chest, and he tells them no whiskey or women, until he gets that bullet out. The only Doc in the town is a vet and he digs out the bullet and gives Bruhn a large shot of morphine, but it makes Bruhn feel better temporarily though the Doc believes the shot is fatal.

Starrett tells Bruhn that he knows another pass over the mountian to Cheyenne and gets them to leave the town, the next sequences are reminicent of both the desert in GBU and the horses struggling through the snows in TGS. I won't tell anymore. 

Ryan is great in this, Ives is great (better than his Western turn in "The Big Country"), and Louise is good.

It also stars David Nelson (Ricky's brother) as the kid in the gang.

All in all this is comming out on DVD and I'll be picking it up for my collection.  So now we have an interesting progression from The Ox Bow Incident, Day Of The Outlaw, The Great Silence, McCabe & Mrs Miller, Joe Kidd, to Keoma.

Robert Ryan ...  Blaise Starrett
Burl Ives ...  Jack Bruhn
Tina Louise ...  Helen Crane
Alan Marshal ...  Hal Crane
Venetia Stevenson ...  Ernine, Vic's Daughter
David Nelson ...  Gene, Bruhn's Gang
Nehemiah Persoff ...  Dan, Starret's Foreman
Jack Lambert ...  Tex (Bruhn's gang)
Frank DeKova ...  Denver, Bruhn's Gang (as Frank deKova)
Lance Fuller ...  Pace, Bruhn's Gang
Elisha Cook Jr. ...  Larry Teter (town barber) (as Elisha Cook)
Dabbs Greer ...  Doc Langer, Veterinarian
Betsy Jones-Moreland ...  Mrs. Preston (as Betsey Jones-Moreland)
Helen Westcott ...  Vivian
Donald Elson ...  Vic, General Store Owner


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: dave jenkins on April 11, 2008, 09:36:33 PM
Sounds interesting. Now that I'm an even bigger fan of Robert Ryan than Groggy, I'll probably be getting the DVD.


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: cigar joe on April 11, 2008, 09:49:20 PM
Its the closest American Western to The Great Silence though its shot in Black & White.


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: cigar joe on May 20, 2008, 12:19:20 PM
Watched the new DVD release yesterday that I recently purchased, again was impressed with what de Toth did with what he had for sets and locations.

The villians in Bruhn's (Berl Ives) gang are quite "spaghetti-esque", even down to the maniacal laughter at one point. Hulking Jack Lambert as Tex is great as the most menacing, Lance Fuller and Frank Dekova also put in convincing performances. The dancing at the "social" is downright hilarious.

Definitely check this out, fans of "The Great Silence" will see its influence on Corbucci. 


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: tucumcari bound on May 30, 2008, 08:59:11 PM

This is a great film. Everyone here should check it out if they haven't done so already.


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 31, 2008, 08:48:31 AM
This is a great film. Everyone here should check it out if they haven't done so already.

Just did the other night.

Three thumbs up!   O0   O0   O0


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: T.H. on June 02, 2008, 02:56:10 PM
I have only seen one De Toth, Crime Wave, which was excellent. I'lll have to see this one.

Has anyone seen De Toth's House of Wax or Pitfall, or are there any others worth watching? Thanks.

You can chalk me up as a Robert Ryan fanboy. He's amazing in The Set-Up and especially Odds Against Tomorrow.


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: titoli on November 21, 2009, 09:10:32 PM
Available on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3_ov2PJSKk


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: The Peacemaker on November 27, 2009, 09:36:00 PM
Saw this again just recently on Encore Westerns and it just gets better every time.

An American western that casts aside the tired conventions of the genre. I plan on renting it from Netflix again to show to some movie buddies.


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: dave jenkins on November 28, 2009, 10:48:24 AM
I like this film, but one thing about it bothers me. Doesn't Burl Ives turn against his gang awfully easily? What, now that he's dying, he's shocked, shocked to discover the men he's been leading are criminals? And he wants to help Robert Ryan give them what they deserve? He feels no loyalty to his old comrades whatsoever? Strikes me a bit odd. Convenient for the plot, though, eh?


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: cigar joe on November 28, 2009, 03:15:22 PM
Men shock easy when they are dying.  O0


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: Dust Devil on April 09, 2010, 12:45:39 PM
This is boring as hell. There's a couple of interesting ideas, however, they're immersed in a sea of dull mediocrity. The actors didn't really set the world on fire; Robert Ryan is his usual self, and Burl Ives does a slightly softer version of his gruff character from The Big Country (released only a year before). The logic is that there is no logic, as Jack Bruhn says they could have wiped the whole town and nobody would have asked a single question, ever after. (So why didn't they?) Romance? - The usual generic AW crap. The sets? - Poor, to say at least. The ''snow factor''? - If you don't fall asleep you'll see them use it in the last 10-15 minutes or so. Camera use, atmosphere, editing, etc.? - Zero, nada. What else, I don't know... When a band of crazed, starved, horny ruffians drifts into an isolated town with problems of its own, and where all the women are good looking, can you guess what's gonna happen?

Yeah I had big expectations. (IGS my as$.)


5 or 6 out of 10 (6's more like it)


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: Dust Devil on April 09, 2010, 12:51:02 PM
Has anyone seen De Toth's House of Wax

To be slightly original for a change; it's a cult classic. It has its moments.


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: Jill on January 27, 2011, 04:56:02 PM
Do want. Actually I have it but no matching subs so now looking for another version. I tried without but can't understand anything. Must be their accents... I watched a lot of movies without subs.

Definitely a must see for me, I love Robert Ryan. (Did he ever play a nice character?  >:D)


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: Dust Devil on January 28, 2011, 02:38:57 AM
(Did he ever play a nice character?  >:D)

He sorta tried in The Professionals: sadly, they didn't take him very seriously. :D


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 28, 2011, 05:51:33 AM
He's Randolph Scott's sidekick in Trail Street. And I don't know if they count, but he played tortured heroes in The Woman on the Beach and The Set-Up.

But maybe your question was only rhetorical. He was awfully good in not-nice roles. I can't help thinking he would have been better casting for a lot of pictures he never played in. For example, can you imagine how much better Treasure of the Sierra Madre would have been with Ryan in the Bogart role?


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: Dust Devil on January 28, 2011, 07:11:09 AM
But maybe your question was only rhetorical.

Naw... you think?


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: Groggy on January 28, 2011, 09:01:58 AM
Definitely a must see for me, I love Robert Ryan. (Did he ever play a nice character?  >:D)

The Proud Ones, The Set-Up (where he's at least not the villain), The Longest Day come to mind.


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: Jill on January 28, 2011, 03:24:41 PM
Did he ever meet Lee on screen? That would be badass-fest...


He definitely was a great baddie and one of those actors who rarely see the end credits alive.  O0 Also, creepiest SMILE ever. And very expressive eyes.


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: Groggy on January 28, 2011, 05:26:33 PM
Did he ever meet Lee on screen? That would be badass-fest...

Van Cleef? Marvin? Majors?


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: Jill on January 28, 2011, 05:41:26 PM
Van Cleef.  O0


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: stanton on January 29, 2011, 05:58:37 AM
Most of de Toth's westerns are average B-pictures.

But with a bigger budget and a better script he was very good. 8/10


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: Jill on January 29, 2011, 05:52:32 PM
Watched finally. Still no subs but quite understood. Wasn't too complicated.

I just can't have enough of Ryan! He was brilliant. In this too. Always badass. And I also liked Burl Ives, brave old guy he makes and he's not all-bad either.


Now off to hunt down more Ryan films.  ;) Or maybe to re-watch Billy Budd AGAIN - he was so born for that.


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: Jill on January 29, 2011, 06:02:08 PM
Day of the Outlaw (1959) - 8/10

Snow: YAY! Total Great Silence feeling.
Ryan: awesome like Prussia. No, MORE awesome than Prussia.
Ives: nice, quite honourable old dude, and getting surgery without brandy: badass
Woman: pretty. Would have been good Spaghetti material.
Gang: some of the could be in Tigrero's gang easily.

I liked that there's no all-good or all-bad character, the whole thing looked more realistic this way. But the end... why let the anti-hero live? I thought he'd get Redemption Equals Death (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RedemptionEqualsDeath), because that's what this type usually gets. And he goes back... husband still lives, problem isn't solved.


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: stanton on January 30, 2011, 02:13:50 AM
Yes, Ryan was a fantastic actor. Very charismatic.


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: cigar joe on January 30, 2011, 03:27:03 AM
Jill Ryan's also in a LOT of great Film Noir.


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: Jill on January 30, 2011, 10:47:25 AM
I know, and I love noir, so those come next.  O0

He just had the kind of face so good for these tough-guys... but his eyes sometimes betray he was actually nice.


I just thought: what if he played Frank Miller? It was an awfully short role and I can't even recall the actor, but if Ryan would get off that train he would seem much more sinister and dangerous. And not some random guy whom we're supposed to see as the Big Bad but who's upstaged by the young LVC.

Also, a role that never found him but he'd surely rock in it: Javert. Just imagine his sarcasm and those trademark half-smirks and those stares. Plus he was a master in playing inner conflicts while looking stoic at first.



Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: cigar joe on January 30, 2011, 05:08:14 PM
I know, and I love noir, so those come next.  O0

He just had the kind of face so good for these tough-guys... but his eyes sometimes betray he was actually nice.


I just thought: what if he played Frank Miller? It was an awfully short role and I can't even recall the actor, but if Ryan would get off that train he would seem much more sinister and dangerous. And not some random guy whom we're supposed to see as the Big Bad but who's upstaged by the young LVC.

Also, a role that never found him but he'd surely rock in it: Javert. Just imagine his sarcasm and those trademark half-smirks and those stares. Plus he was a master in playing inner conflicts while looking stoic at first.



Great thoughts Jill, so check him out in a Noirish Western "Bad Day At Black Rock".


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: Jill on January 31, 2011, 09:23:35 AM
I will. Although I know his end (damn Cinemorgue).  >:D


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on August 26, 2012, 09:52:07 PM
I just saw Day of the Outlaw. My feelings are kinda mixed cuz there are some scenes that are ridiculous, and some scenes that are just amazing. Every time I started thinking, "this is just gonna be another dumb same old western," it hits you with some amazing scenes; then when I start thinking "this is gonna be an awesome Western," it hits you with some clunkers. I'd rate it a sort of uneven 7/10, but there's enough really good stuff in it that I'd recommend any Western fan watch it.

The movie is really bad until the moment Burl Ives bursts through the door and stops the whiskey bottle from hitting the ground. All that yammering in the opening scenes between Ryan, the farmer, and his wife made me wanna puke, the movie mostly picks up well from there.

The production design was terrific, the town set was great, an amazing feeling of some rough wooden structures thrown together, a terrific sense of location.

SPOILER ALERT

One of the worst things a movie can do is have someone explain exactly what's going to happen, and then things happen exactly that way. Takes the suspense and fun out of it all. When the doctor explains exactly what's going to happen to Ives, and then it happens that way, exactly as he says it, that's just a poor bit of filmmaking.

The end with the guy pointing a gun at Ryan but his fingers are so numb he can't pull the trigger, that's just great.

But you can argue that the movie gets a bit too sentimental at the end. This tough guy Ryan who has spent 20 years shooting whatever gets in his way suddenly "took a good lok at myself in the mirror and didn't like what I saw"? Come on, how can he even say that with a straight face. I couldn't figure out what was more cliche', that part or the fact that every bad gang has to have the one good guy who feels bad and tries to save the people from his own gang, and of course falls in love with a girl from the town. And what do you know, he is the one who lives... as well as the suddenly reformed Ryan?? A bit too sentimental there.

Overall, while I think a better job could have been done, there is some real good material here, and I'd recommend that any Western fan give this one a look  :)


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: uncknown on December 19, 2015, 07:32:52 PM
D & D pretty much summarizes what is good and bad about this film.
Overall, the melodrama and sentimentality keeps this from being above average
bruce


Title: Re: Day of the Outlaw (1959)
Post by: stanton on December 20, 2015, 01:54:18 AM
This film is better than 7/10. I don't see the weaker parts as that weak, and the stronger parts dominate. 8,5/10


I'm sure Corbucci knew this snow western when he made The Great Silence.