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Title: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: mike siegel on November 20, 2007, 06:37:07 PM
I guess it's about time I too start a topic here.

CROSS OF IRON will be in my head for some time the next months - I just started a documentary about the film.
So much for the breaking news.

I celebrate the beginning of this new film in honor to Sam now with some Yugoslawian Wodka and hope this topic
will turn out as a good one. Will be back soon, 'can't write now - 'busy drinking...

(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1612/7186524/17740665/289402454.jpg)
Title: Re: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: Groggy on November 20, 2007, 06:41:54 PM
I recently watched this film and expressed opinions on it on the Last Movie You Saw thread.

I enjoyed "Cross of Iron" but it didn't strike be as anything exceptional. The points it made weren't particularly profound or original, the battle scenes were good but seemed somewhat anemic when compared to, say, "The Wild Bunch" or "Saving Private Ryan". The best part of the movie was the cast, Coburn did a good job despite a dodgy accent, Maximillian Schell and James Mason were also excellent, and Senta Berger did good in a brief cameo. All of the characters were well-drawn and you got the sense that you really are living in a foxhole with German soldiers. But the film lacks the special something that would make it a great film.
Title: Re: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: dave jenkins on November 20, 2007, 09:33:09 PM
The special something, in fact, is the ending. Groggy is right, up to that point the film is rather conventional (although I've never seen anything quite like the scene with the female Russian soldiers anywhere else). Suddenly, with money running out and no opportunity to finish the film as scripted, Peckinpah and his cast improvised a new ending, one that took things to an entirely different level. I'm not surprised it was lost on Groggy, but given time (and another 10 viewings), I'm sure his appreciation will grow.
Title: Re: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: Ben Tyreen on November 21, 2007, 12:05:02 AM
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I'm not surprised it was lost on Groggy, but given time (and another 10 viewings), I'm sure his appreciation will grow.

  You two should just get a room. O0

  Love the picture, mike!  Keep us updated on the Cross of Iron documentary.  Do you know who you're interviewing yet?  When you talked to Coburn previously, did you cover Cross of Iron?

  RIP James Coburn, one of the coolest 8)
Title: Re: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: Jill on November 21, 2007, 03:32:01 PM
Coburn was the Man. Too bad he died soon.  :'(

We are waiting  O0
Title: Re: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: mike siegel on November 21, 2007, 03:39:52 PM
Most of the interviews were already done over the years:
James Coburn, David Warner, Senta Berger, Vadim Glowna
Roger Fritz (Triebig), Katy Haber.

I'll soon meet Wolf Hartwig. I'm sure he has incredible stuff to tell.
The production of this films was as adventurous as the story in the film. Those of you who
are a bit familar with Peckinpah might know. It's great stuff for a doc.

The battle scenes are awesome - especially when you know that he had only three tanks
and a few dozens of soldiers. The editing is superb. The content too of course. Might be the only
WW II film by an American without G.I.'s in it.

I hope to get Max Schell, Burkhardt Driest & Arthur Brauss (Nazi Soldier) as well.
Maybe I even go down to Slovenia as the filming locations didn't change much in 30 years...
Title: Re: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: Noodles_SlowStir on November 21, 2007, 06:30:08 PM
That is another great pic.  Thank you Mike.  Best of luck with your production. 
Title: Re: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: Groggy on November 21, 2007, 07:12:56 PM
Shotguns at dawn Jenkins.
Title: Re: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: dave jenkins on November 21, 2007, 07:48:32 PM
Again? :D
Title: Re: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: The Firecracker on November 23, 2007, 03:30:07 AM


 Coburn did a good job despite a dodgy accent,


When Coburn plays a non-american, dodgy accents come with the territory.

Check out the great escape and DYS  :D
Title: Re: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: cigar joe on November 23, 2007, 08:13:23 AM
I still want to know whats up with the DVD cover? There is no snow in the film whatsoever.
Title: Re: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: mike siegel on November 23, 2007, 08:54:49 AM
you're referring to the US 1-sheet poster artwork?
I assume they thought   'Eastern Front / Russia - 'must be snowing there...'
I mean look at the US-Teaser trailers . The film was trashed, only reduced to ACTION/PECKINPAH...
They wouldn't know how to sell a war film without G.I.'s in it.

But I like the US-Poster, the Original German was awful.
Title: Re: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: dave jenkins on November 23, 2007, 12:14:42 PM
The poster is cool, although, yeah, misleading. Still, I can't imagine viewers leaving the theater, thinking, Man, what a rip-off, where was the snow?
Title: Re: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: Groggy on November 23, 2007, 05:16:54 PM
Well correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe any German soldier died clutching an iron cross either. :D
Title: Re: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: mike siegel on March 11, 2011, 04:43:15 AM
There's some news here..

I abandoned the CROSS docu project due to other
projects that came along last but out of nowhere was approached
to co-produce the UK / German BlueRay. Finally the first worthwhile
presentation of this Peckinpah classic (don't ask me about the
transfer - not my responsibility, I was referring to the supplements)
The release will be very soon (May / June I suppose).


Kinowelt for Germany (BlueRay & 2-Disc SE DVD)
Optimum for the UK (only BlueRay, all 3 same content)

Release will be soon. May/June I suppose.

I just finished a rough cut of the supplements:

-PASSION & POETRY - SAM PECKINPAH's WAR  46min.
a documentary featuring James Coburn, Senta Berger, David Warner,
Vadim Glowna, Roger Fritz, Katy Haber.

- 5 featurettes with 1976 on set audio interviews:
  ON LOCATION - CROSS OF IRON: SAM PECKINPAH
  ON LOCATION - CROSS OF IRON: JAMES COBURN
  ON LOCATION - CROSS OF IRON: JAMES MASON
  ON LOCATION - CROSS OF IRON: MAXIMILIAN SCHELL
  ON LOCATION - CROSS OF IRON: DAVID WARNER

   approx 5 min. each (25 min. altogether)

- featurette KRÜGER KISSES KERN (9 min.)

- featurette VADIM & SAM - SON & DAD (7min.)

- featurette CUTTING ROOM FLOOR (5 min.)

- Mike's Homemovies - Steiner meets Kiesel again (8min.)
Title: Re: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: T.H. on March 11, 2011, 11:23:41 AM
Thanks for sharing that. Do you know if any other Peckinpah movies are scheduled for a bluray release?

I haven't heard anything about Cable Hogue, Alfredo Garcia, Ride the High Country, Pat Garrett and Junior Bonner.
Title: Re: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: mike siegel on May 27, 2011, 02:02:45 AM
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Cross-of-Iron-Blu-ray/21018/#Review
Title: Re: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: dave jenkins on June 03, 2011, 11:05:25 AM
Gotta get this disc: http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompare5/crossofiron.htm
Title: Re: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: franksgrandson on June 12, 2011, 03:25:59 PM
this is one great movie and the book is even better
Title: Re: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: Novecento on August 23, 2011, 02:25:37 PM
Gotta get this disc: http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompare5/crossofiron.htm

Just got my copy of this. Worth every penny.

There's some news here..

I abandoned the CROSS docu project due to other
projects that came along last but out of nowhere was approached
to co-produce the UK / German BlueRay. Finally the first worthwhile
presentation of this Peckinpah classic (don't ask me about the
transfer - not my responsibility, I was referring to the supplements)
The release will be very soon (May / June I suppose).

Great supplements Mike! You certainly did the excellent restoration justice. 
Title: Re: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: mike siegel on August 30, 2011, 10:36:33 AM
Thanks!
I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Next will be a book on the Films of Steve McQueen :)
Title: Re: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: dave jenkins on October 29, 2018, 10:51:47 AM
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Cross-of-Iron-Blu-ray/131455/#Review

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Hen's Tooth has confirmed that the transfer used for their 1080p, AVC-encoded Blu-ray is the same one created by Studiocanal and used by Optimum for the 2011 Region B-locked disc previously reviewed by Blu-ray.com. The image on the new Blu-ray reflects the same virtues described on the earlier disc: a film-like appearance with a natural and well-resolved grain structure and no indication of DNR or filtering; consistent contrast levels and densities; and only an occasional, barely noticeable hint of sharpening in some of the darker scenes. Studiocanal did a nice job removing dirt, scratches and other age-related damage, and Hen's Tooth Blu-ray reaps the advantages of their efforts. The only issue that distinguishes the new Blu-ray from its Region B predecessor is more aggressive compression, with Hen's Tooth's bitrate averaging 18.00 Mbps, compared to Optimum's 31.99. The compressionist appears to have done a capable job, but there is no obvious reason to strive for such tight constraints when there's a vast expanse of unused space (over 10 GB) on the BD-50.
Title: Re: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: Novecento on October 30, 2018, 10:09:52 AM
It will be nice if what is arguably Peckinpah's best and most underrated film gets some more respect as a result of this release. I wonder why it took so long?
Title: Re: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: mike siegel on November 14, 2018, 01:39:58 AM
The US CROSS OF IRON is finally out I hear. It contains all my supplements frommy European / Japanese co-productions (minus the German 35mm print I'm afraid):

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Cross-of-Iron-Blu-ray/131455/#Review
Title: Re: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: cigar joe on November 14, 2018, 04:22:53 AM
The US CROSS OF IRON is finally out I hear. It contains all my supplements frommy European / Japanese co-productions (minus the German 35mm print I'm afraid):

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Cross-of-Iron-Blu-ray/131455/#Review

Thanks for the heads up Mike.
Title: Re: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: Novecento on November 14, 2018, 10:43:07 AM
"Coquillon and the rest of the creative team created a nearly monochromatic image from the dark earth tones of the battlefields, the dusty soldiers' uniforms and the faces routinely covered in mud. When bright hues sometimes intrude—usually red from blood or the incongruous Nazi flag at the hospital where Steiner recovers or the blanket stretched across his hospital bed—they seem almost out of place."

Personally I really like this color scheme and find it works great. Having said that I remember Mike saying that this was not actually how Coquillon intended it to be seen.
Title: Re: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: mike siegel on November 14, 2018, 03:48:00 PM
I doubt any cinematographer (or film maker for that matter) would want his film to look like this. A mess. I hope one day someone will clean this HD master from that awful overall green filter-look. That's why I included a scan of my 35mm print on the (new) German BD and the deluxe Japanese (3 BD - disc!) Blu-ray, so that people can see how the film looked back in 1977...
Title: Re: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: Novecento on November 16, 2018, 08:51:54 AM
Usually I would agree, but in this case it worked pretty well IMO. Not saying you're wrong since you have the 35mm print to show, but just that I liked the color scheme.

I remember there was some good input by someone over on Blu-ray.com regarding the attempt to get a desaturated look:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=166097&page=5
Title: Re: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: dave jenkins on November 16, 2018, 10:27:42 AM
That's why I included a scan of my 35mm print on the (new) German BD and the deluxe Japanese (3 BD - disc!) Blu-ray, so that people can see how the film looked back in 1977...
3 discs! So, the Japanese set is the best version to own?
Title: Re: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: mike siegel on November 16, 2018, 03:28:28 PM
3 discs! So, the Japanese set is the best version to own?

I will take a look into it on Sunday and will comment on your question :).


:Novecento: No,no and no (again :) ). Of course Peckinpah tried to get a certain look in post-production, and CROSS could have
used a little color grading here and there - now that it's possible, but the BD-look is just impossible. The images are all flat, no debth, nothing...
I understand why some like the new look, it certainly has its kind of atmosphere, but the loss of contrast and depth is just terrible.
Anyway. We might play around with it next year. I saw a test which could result in a great-looking compromise...
Title: Re: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: Novecento on November 17, 2018, 04:17:13 AM
:Novecento: No,no and no (again :) ). Of course Peckinpah tried to get a certain look in post-production, and CROSS could have
used a little color grading here and there - now that it's possible, but the BD-look is just impossible. The images are all flat, no debth, nothing...
I understand why some like the new look, it certainly has its kind of atmosphere, but the loss of contrast and depth is just terrible.
Anyway. We might play around with it next year. I saw a test which could result in a great-looking compromise...

Sounds good. Looking forward to seeing the compromise.
Title: Re: Peckinpah's CROSS OF IRON plus documentary
Post by: mike siegel on December 21, 2018, 02:06:34 AM
CROSS OF IRON is finally available on Blu-ray in the US! The release features all my supplements (almost 2 hrs) in HD including my documentary PASSION & POETRY - SAM's WAR. The film master is the same (uncut) as previously released with the other releases I co-produced in the UK, Germany & Japan...

(https://s15.directupload.net/images/181221/temp/5pazbo8t.jpg) (https://www.directupload.net/file/d/5308/5pazbo8t_jpg.htm)