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Title: Locations
Post by: a1 on December 15, 2007, 12:21:02 PM
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Title: Re: Locations
Post by: noodles_leone on December 15, 2007, 03:15:21 PM
Wow, impressive work!  :o

If you wan to have fn with Google Earth, active the "3D view" and try to spot the location of the scene on the poster of the movie. I did it yesterday and i put myself right at the point of view of the camera... i'll will send a snapshot in a week...


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: Tuco the ugly on December 16, 2007, 07:53:25 AM
Things have changed... Good job A1!  O0


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: dave jenkins on December 16, 2007, 08:19:26 PM
A # 1 thread, A1! O0


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: cigar joe on December 20, 2007, 05:22:04 AM
Nice A1 your posts are invaluable,I was born in Astoria, Queens, and used to go through Brooklynmany a time in the 1950's-1960's. Then I moved out to Montana for 24 years.  I'm about 100 miles north of NYC now and will make a trip down to Water Street in the future.


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: geoman-1 on December 20, 2007, 04:29:13 PM
Thanks for the comprehensive analysis A-1. Really fascinating post. O0
Ever consider going into forensic sciences?


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: Noodles_SlowStir on December 20, 2007, 09:10:11 PM
A1 thank you.  Great work.  You really have an eye for detail.  Looks like you're going to have a detailed NY itinerary as well.  :)


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: moviesceleton on December 20, 2007, 11:11:42 PM
A1, this is the best thread in a long time O0


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: noodles_leone on December 21, 2007, 01:16:29 AM
Yes, may be the greatest since my (better) "Nothin or Nothing you can see"!


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: moviesceleton on December 21, 2007, 04:06:58 AM
Yes, may be the greatest since my (better) "Nothin or Nothing you can see"!
Yeah, but I thought it would go without saying.


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: Tuco the ugly on December 21, 2007, 08:36:28 AM
Yes, may be the greatest since my (better) "Nothin or Nothing you can see"!

 :-X



Title: Re: Locations
Post by: Noodles_SlowStir on December 24, 2007, 10:26:11 AM
Another interesting location insight.  Thank you A1.  That mausoleum was impressive.  The cemetary groundskeeper was pretty good in that scene.  Much better than the rental car agent in the train station when Noodles returns.  He was terrible.


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: geoman-1 on December 24, 2007, 11:38:51 AM


Screen cap from the movie
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/a1line/gates/gates2.jpg)

Underneath the inscription is the name GATES
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/a1line/gates/gates3.jpg)

Photograph of the actual mausoleum in Woodlawn Cemetery
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/a1line/gates/gates4.jpg)





Kudos A-1! Very fascinating analysis. It's interesting to see the Star of David missing
from the recent mausoleum photo. I suppose it was a prop for the movie?


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: cigar joe on December 24, 2007, 12:04:27 PM
Great Work you need to put this all in a book!  O0

And remember I can volunteer to drive you around the area, I know Long Island City well  8), I wonder if Leone made use of the old Kaufman Studios nearby for some interior sets.


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: moviesceleton on December 24, 2007, 12:20:36 PM
I thought I read somewhere that the mausoleum was a set built for the scene. Great to know that I can visit it some time 8)


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: Tuco the ugly on December 24, 2007, 01:40:20 PM
Another interesting location insight.  Thank you A1.  That mausoleum was impressive.  The cemetary groundskeeper was pretty good in that scene.  Much better than the rental car agent in the train station when Noodles returns.  He was terrible.

Leone?  ;D


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: Noodles_SlowStir on December 24, 2007, 02:42:54 PM
Leone?  ;D

(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/3959/lmaodv6.gif)

hehehe...oh no.  Not going to open that one again.  The old guy with the beard was the ticket seller that sells Noodles the ticket to Buffalo when he's leaving.  I was referring to the car rental agent when he returns in the 60's.  I thought the actor was really unnatural the way he looks at Noodles while he's filling out his paperwork.

This guy......red tie and red pen  (Red Alert! Sergio sell him a ticket out of the film....(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/7051/slomort2.gif))

(http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8852/stationkw7.jpg)

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The door was not a Leone invention

A1 you inspired me.  I was curious about the artwork on the mausoleum door.  You've been so thorough and detailed in your analysis.....if you don't already have this information, you'll have it soon.  :)  The door sculpture is on Woodlawn's list of notable artwork.

http://www.thewoodlawncemetery.org/sculpture.html

The sculpture was created by Robert Ingersoll Aitken.  He's a prominent and important artist.  In addition to the Gates mausoleum sculpture, he's known for his sculpture work on the West Pediment of the U.S. Supreme Court building....and many more.

(http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/9914/sc2hh3.jpg)

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/about/westpediment.pdf

Biographical info on Aitken on wiki and another site.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ingersoll_Aitken
http://nmaa-ryder.si.edu/search/artist_bio.cfm?StartRow=1&ID=40






Title: Re: Locations
Post by: dave jenkins on December 24, 2007, 04:20:09 PM
Good on ya, N_SS.  O0 Now, can somebody tell me what the figure on the door is supposed to represent?


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: geoman-1 on December 24, 2007, 06:20:33 PM
Good on ya, N_SS.  O0 Now, can somebody tell me what the figure on the door is supposed to represent?
I believe the figure represents the sorrow and grief for the deceased. :'(


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: dave jenkins on December 24, 2007, 06:31:11 PM
Yes, it may be as simple as that. But I thought there may be more to it; the West Pediment of the Supreme Court building, for example, has nine figures who not only represent the literal 9-member court, but have an allegorical function as well (one represents Liberty, another Order, and so on).


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: Tuco the ugly on December 25, 2007, 05:40:42 AM
(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/3959/lmaodv6.gif)

hehehe...oh no.  Not going to open that one again.  The old guy with the beard was the ticket seller that sells Noodles the ticket to Buffalo when he's leaving.  I was referring to the car rental agent when he returns in the 60's.  I thought the actor was really unnatural the way he looks at Noodles while he's filling out his paperwork.

This guy......red tie and red pen  (Red Alert! Sergio sell him a ticket out of the film....(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/7051/slomort2.gif))

(http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8852/stationkw7.jpg)

I know, I know. I just couldn't resist yesterday, the glass was full all evening.  ;D O0

Yes, the guy is a bit unnatural, but I always thought it's because of Noodles. He didn't even once look at the guy's face, and what left this already snobbish man floating in air for a few seconds.


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: Noodles_SlowStir on December 26, 2007, 03:37:21 PM
I know, I know. I just couldn't resist yesterday, the glass was full all evening.  ;D O0

Yes, the guy is a bit unnatural, but I always thought it's because of Noodles. He didn't even once look at the guy's face, and what left this already snobbish man floating in air for a few seconds.

 :)

You're right.  Noodles doesn't give him the time of day and hardly acknowledges him at all.  I agree he would probably keep an eye on  him, maybe give him a thorough up and down to assess him on some level.  Yet, for me, he seems to be playing to the camera....."just a little bit"  ;D

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Now, can somebody tell me what the figure on the door is supposed to represent?

I searched some but wasn't able to come up with anything definitive.  I found another link on Woodlawn Cemetery that talks about the cemetery and how much of the sculpture and design is by some of the most notable and respected sculptors, artists, carvers and architects of America and worldwide.  A lot of the artwork, sculptures, mausoleums are very carefully designed and planned to fit in with what would surround it in specific areas of the cemetery.   Many of the designs of the mausoleums with significant contributions from world renowned sculptors were based upon Greek architecture.  This link provides quite a bit of information but nothing specific about Gates' mausoleum.

http://www.lehman.edu/vpadvance/artgallery/publicart/woodlawn.htm

If you look to the left there are other links for walking tours and information on neighborhoods in the Bronx area that may be of interest. A1, maybe there's something there that would be of interest to you in your trip planning.  Not sure.   Thank you for the post and information on Audrey Munson.  Very interesting.

The above link gives a run down of all the famous people that are buried in Woodlawn.  That in itself is fascinating.  Of interest to all would probably be "Bat" Masterson.  Quite a few names grabbed me that I would love to make the trip sometime.....Duke Ellington, Miles Davis, Irving Berlin, Herman Melville....list just goes on.  Check it out.  I saw some pics of the markers somewhere too which was quite interesting.

I'll dig a little more to see if I can find any info on Aitken and the significance of the Gates' sculpture design.  Maybe the design is part of a series of sculptures of mausoleums that are in proximity to each other as the page seems to indicate how everything is carefully laid out. 

The other thoughts I had were....why would Sergio choose this specific mausoleum for the film?  Without doubt the design of the mausoleum itself is so impressive that could of been the sole reason.  Could of just been its location within the cemetery to set up the shot.  Maybe there were a combination of reasons that he would of selected this one mausoleum.  Obviously there were others that would of been just as grand.  We know that he had a great interest in art.  Maybe he was familiar with the work of Robert I. Aitken.  Aitken, like a few sculptors, and Audrey Munson, had extensive connections with the Italian carvers and sculptors, the Piccirilli Brothers.  They were known throughout the world and are famous for many statues (perhaps most for the Lincoln statue in the Lincoln Memorial).  They also did the carving work on the pediment of the NYSE and worked on the Washington Arch in Greenwich Village.  Sergio may of had great admiration for them and was aware of the connections.

http://www2.riverdale.edu/~bcarroll/

Maybe he knew that Audrey Munson was an early silent film star.  It seems she's known as one of the first actresses to appear nude in film.  The sculpture is quite sensual.  Sergio had an appreciation for many of the films from the silent era.  Maybe this is an association with the Deborah character as an actress.

Another thing I found was that Audrey Munson is known for modelling for many works of art but also in particular for another New York sculpture in Straus Park memorializing the Strauses that perished on the Titanic.  That sculpture is called "Memories".  Her association to a sculpture entitled "Memories" would seem very fitting for OUATIA.

(http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3650/straus2fu3.jpg)
Memories   Sculpture by Augustus Lukeman. 
   



Title: Re: Locations
Post by: dave jenkins on December 27, 2007, 04:01:39 PM
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The other thoughts I had were....why would Sergio choose this specific mausoleum for the film?  Without doubt the design of the mausoleum itself is so impressive that could of been the sole reason.  Could of just been its location within the cemetery to set up the shot.  Maybe there were a combination of reasons that he would of selected this one mausoleum.
Undoubtedly. The door itself was probably the principal draw (note how much De Niro fusses with it). There is a door motif that runs throughout the film: http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=6937.0


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: Noodles_SlowStir on December 28, 2007, 06:38:32 PM
Undoubtedly. The door itself was probably the principal draw (note how much De Niro fusses with it). There is a door motif that runs throughout the film: http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=6937.0

Yes.  I really like what he does with doors thoughout the film.  Heís quite masterful in the way he uses doors as metaphor for a lot of the themes in the film....choices and decisions, consequences, passage of time....also windows, mirrors, keys and to some extent the bridges as well.  His framing is always impeccable.  He sometimes uses them with framing as well.   

Youíre right.  Noodles sure does fuss with that mausoleum door.  Seems heís drawn to Audrey Munsonís image.  He seems delighted thereís no knob there.  Could it be when he initially opens the door itís another shot that establishes Noodles in his own words as a  ďtushĒ man?  :)  It would be interesting to have a featurette that speculates on Noodlesí thoughts and self talk as he opens and reopens and closes that door.  ;D 

That mausoleum was impressive and a perfect choice.  Yet in the cemetery there were many mausoleums that had beautiful design, architecture and ornate doors.  These three have similar designs of a woman figure on their doors.

(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9702/penneyfs7.jpg)
(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2250/lowensteinuq3.jpg)
(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6971/seibertap4.jpg)

Could be that the Gatesí mausoleum is located near these and the woman figure is a continuity thing.  Still not sure what she would represent.  A Venus like figure?.....

This would of been an interesting choice for OUATIA with the hour glass ornamentation above the door.  The architecture of the structure isnít as impressive as Gatesí.

(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/7558/jacobappellsp4.jpg)
(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2238/jacobappell2cp7.jpg)

These were other mausoleum pictures I was able to find.  The doors are quite nice.  The structures are great, and I would imagine the inside is quite impressive as well.  They have various holes, slats and cracks in the door design for light to filter through.  I guess from an art standpoint the Aitken sculpture is so much more interesting.

(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2622/harknesswz9.jpg)
(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/1281/takaminenz8.jpg)
(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3291/juilliardgd3.jpg)
(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/1606/bachebf3.jpg)

A lot of these mausoleums had really intricate work such as stain glass inside...like the Gates mausoleum.  This is an interesting link from the Times I found that provides a commentary and slide show.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20031025_WOODLAWN/index.html

I also read somewhere that Columbia University earlier in the year received from Woodlawn many of the papers, blue prints and historical documents that relate to the various sculptures and mausoleums in the cemetery.  The university is in the process of cataloging everything and Iím sure at some point a lot of it will be digitized.

I agree that the Aitken door was probably the principal reason to go with that particular mausoleum.  I think that the location within the cemetery and possibly the upkeep of the Gates mausoleum may of been factors.   The interior may of been another reason.  It does seem like he actually filmed inside.  Also he had to select a mausoleum that did not have a lot of religious carvings or symbols on the exterior (and interior) that would of been representative of a faith that wasnít Jewish.  If so, it would have to have the possibility of being concealed in someway.   

Looking at all of them, I canít imagine a better choice.  With his eye for attention of detail and appreciation of art, how could it not of been.  Knowing some of these details and historical facts will only enhance my appreciation when I watch the film and view that scene.


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: dave jenkins on December 28, 2007, 08:30:52 PM

I agree that the Aitken door was probably the principal reason to go with that particular mausoleum.  I think that the location within the cemetery and possibly the upkeep of the Gates mausoleum may of been factors.   The interior may of been another reason.  It does seem like he actually filmed inside.  Also he had to select a mausoleum that did not have a lot of religious carvings or symbols on the exterior (and interior) that would of been representative of a faith that wasnít Jewish.  If so, it would have to have the possibility of being concealed in someway.   

Looking at all of them, I canít imagine a better choice.  With his eye for attention of detail and appreciation of art, how could it not of been.  Knowing some of these details and historical facts will only enhance my appreciation when I watch the film and view that scene.
O0


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: moviesceleton on January 16, 2008, 11:37:29 AM
There's nothing new in this old thread but I thought it would be reasonable to gather links to old threads to one place.
About the Hotel Excelsior which was used for the dining scene: http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=839.0

EDIT:
Another one, about the NYC locations, especially the bridge(s): http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=441.0


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: Sergio.L on January 21, 2008, 07:30:00 AM
There's enough content for a book but for maximum authenticity, impact and success, its
author should collaborate with some-one who worked on the movie or a member of the cast
such as Woods, De Niro or Scott Tiler.

Suggestions for chapters:

1. Background

2. The Book The Hoods

3. Writers and a screenplay

4. Casting

5. The movie

6. Locations

7. Enigmas and interpretations

8. Missing and deleted scenes

9. Downloads & links



great idea!


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: moviesceleton on January 21, 2008, 08:55:41 AM
Nice thought - there's enough content for a book but for maximum authenticity, impact and
success, its author should collaborate with some-one who worked on the movie or a member
of the cast such as Woods, De Niro or Scott Tiler.

Suggestions for chapters:

1. Background

2. The Book The Hoods

3. Writers and a screenplay

4. Casting

5. The movie

6. Locations

7. Enigmas and interpretations

8. Missing and deleted scenes

9. Downloads & links


To start with, a book or booklet about the locations alone would be great.


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: marmota-b on January 22, 2008, 04:51:10 AM
To start with, a book or booklet about the locations alone would be great.

Seconded. This is an impressive thread! O0


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: marmota-b on February 01, 2008, 01:56:12 PM
Please, keep them coming! :D


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: marmota-b on February 08, 2008, 01:09:16 PM
Awesome... I'd never have the patience to go through such small details, I'm afraid...


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: geoman-1 on February 09, 2008, 10:42:04 AM
You really did your homework A1. Good job! O0


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: moviesceleton on February 10, 2008, 07:06:16 AM
A1, you must understand that we are expecting hellalot pictures ;) It would be so awesome if you some how could get to the rooftops 8)


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: marmota-b on February 11, 2008, 01:12:00 AM
I'm highly movitated on this since I'll be visiting the city in 6 months time.

I wish you much more time for it than I had. :) I was there for only two days and had to see most of the things that everybody has to see in New York, so I had to be content with visiting Brooklyn Bridge and staying in Brooklyn, seeing all the Jews in the streets... actually, I hadn't seen the film yet when I was visiting. :P


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: Cusser on February 11, 2008, 12:15:30 PM
This all just makes one wonder all the work that goes into finding such locations in the first place for some of these films. 


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: marmota-b on February 11, 2008, 01:15:08 PM
This all just makes one wonder all the work that goes into finding such locations in the first place for some of these films. 

Exactly. It must be an incredible amount of work and time... especially when they had no clever internet maps in 80's!


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: cigar joe on February 12, 2008, 03:32:32 PM
great stuff!


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: rusty26 on February 13, 2008, 06:33:48 AM
A fantastic job A1.  How did you go about to find all this information?  When is your trip to NY anyway?  I look forward to read more from you. 


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: dave jenkins on February 13, 2008, 09:19:02 AM
A1, you're really doing a fantastic job here. Great way to use the unique strengths of the internet, both to pursue info, extract and preserve it. This thread alone validates the whole board.


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: Cusser on February 13, 2008, 11:27:17 AM
As well as finding all these great locations, Leone and his crew did a fantastic job transforming South 8th St Williamsburg.

From the movie
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/a1line/s8st/south80.jpg)

This was a great scene !!!!     Reminded me of the hustle and bustle in Flagstone once the camera moved over the railroad station.


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: filmyfan on February 20, 2008, 07:13:32 AM
This is a fantastic thread that I have only today stumbled upon after trying to see what the "new SE"DVD of OUTIA was all about !

I myself am a bit of a location nut and am also hoping to make a trip to NY later this year-hopefully I will get some time to check out some of these locations !

A book is a great idea but I guess its a niche market thing but I don't know if you are aware of a similar themed book about Chaplin's films:-

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Silent-Traces-Discovering-Hollywood-Through/dp/159580014X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1203516150&sr=8-1

There is also one about Keaton and also Hitchcock's Bay Area locations-which I found very useful when I visited San Francisco a couple of years ago-to check out the Vertigo stuff !

One thing I hope that is recitified when or "if" we ever get a "new" DVD of OUTIA is more location/behind the scenes stills as a bonus feature (with the theme music playing underneath)...there's some great stuff on the Chaplin DVD's but without music and a similar thing was done on OUTIW-maybe its just me but I love the behind the scenes stills type pics.

Anyway thanks for reading !


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: cigar joe on March 01, 2008, 07:14:31 PM
again excellent stuff  O0


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: marmota-b on March 02, 2008, 03:59:28 AM
You really should make a locations guide. O0


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: marmota-b on March 09, 2008, 04:43:26 AM
I might sort the images, having a separate page for each locality.

That seems like a very good idea.


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: Jewels on July 05, 2008, 03:56:39 PM
Wow, A1!
That is amazing location work!
My name is Jewels (Julie Cohen) I played Young Peggy in the film.
I was going to respond to your earlier post asking about the rooftop scene, but when I kept scrolling down, I saw you had figured it out. Amazing!
It was great for me when we filmed that scene because I was living in Soho at the time and walked about a half a block to go to work.
One incredible thing to me was that the crew had to go around the neighborhood for a couple of weeks before the shoot and persuade people to let them take down their TV antennas. As you've said this was way before any CGI.
Another great memory of shooting that scene-
DeNiro came to the set that day for an old age make up test. I totally DID NOT recognize him!
He watched us shoot the scene and afterwards gave me a hug (yes, a HUG!) and told me I did a good job. It meant so much to me....
It was actually the only time I met him while working on the film.

I'm really enjoying cruising around this board and I'm happy to answer questions about my experience working on OUATIA.
Peace!


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: cigar joe on July 05, 2008, 07:25:32 PM
Thanks Jewles, glad you are part of us now, enjoy!


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on July 05, 2008, 10:03:01 PM
Wow, A1!
That is amazing location work!
My name is Jewels (Julie Cohen) I played Young Peggy in the film.
I was going to respond to your earlier post asking about the rooftop scene, but when I kept scrolling down, I saw you had figured it out. Amazing!
It was great for me when we filmed that scene because I was living in Soho at the time and walked about a half a block to go to work.
One incredible thing to me was that the crew had to go around the neighborhood for a couple of weeks before the shoot and persuade people to let them take down their TV antennas. As you've said this was way before any CGI.
Another great memory of shooting that scene-
Denier came to the set that day for an old age make up test. I totally DID NOT recognize him!
He watched us shoot the scene and afterwards gave me a hug (yes, a HUG!) and told me I did a good job. It meant so much to me....
It was actually the only time I met him while working on the film.

I'm really enjoying cruising around this board and I'm happy to answer questions about my experience working on OUATIA.
Peace!


Hi Julie (Jewels) - Really kind of you to come on and share your recollections with us of the OUATIA shoot and especially your meeting with the great Bobby D - Great Story :)

Thought you (& other posters) would be interested in the amazing lengths De Niro went to to portray the elderly Noodles.  One of the first things he did, was to study the behaviour of elderly people, to arrange a series of makeup tests and to practise ageing his voice.  "It took so long to put the makeup on - four to six hours - that I was so tired I had to look old.  You get up at three, start at four, and go to work at eight or nine.  After weeks of tests with De Niro's first choice of make up artist Chris Tucker (Elephant Man) - De Niro/Leone took on three Italians - Jacoponi/Rocchetti/Zamprioli "One of the great make - up jobs in movie history (Leone). "De Niro put on that makeup for two and a half months.  And he had to shave his head and his cheeks.  He entered into the spirit of things with a made love, a professionalism and a total obedience.  He loves his craft so much" (Leone).  There is a great photo of De Niro in full makeup/costume as the elderly Noodles sitting sleeping at the Mausoleum Riversdale Cemetery scene - while the crew go about their business.  Also remember Leone telling a story - when the cast/crew had finished a long days shooting and were thinking about going home or going for dinner - De Niro was still acting like an old man - asking for extra blankets while he was in his trailer!

Anyway Jewels keep the stories coming :)

PS Your scene with Scott Tiler (toilet) is one of the great scenes in the film - you really hit it out the Ball Park ;)


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: Jewels on July 06, 2008, 10:37:57 PM
Hey there!
The scenes in the building hallway were shot in Chinatown, can't remember exactly where.....
maybe Canal & Bayard St?
Thanks for posting the photos! I have one of the moment Peggy's Mom opens the door and Patsy sees me in the tub.
I'll have to scan it and post it for you guys. I'm sure you know that playing Peggy's Mom was Estelle Harris - later to get REALLY famous as George Costanza's mother on Seinfeld.

Thanks for your compliment about the toilet scene. That was the only scene I got to shoot at Cinecitta. They replicated that Chinatown tenement down to the last detail. It was amazing.


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: rusty26 on July 07, 2008, 04:03:16 AM
This thread just gets better and better, now with Jewels adding valuable first hand information from the actual filming.

A1, your trip to NY is quickly approaching.  This may already be your intention - but if not - how about writing a OUATIA related diary from your trip for all of us to share?  Maybe with your own recommendations on how to make the most out of such a trip, and perhaps some useful tips on which public transportation to use in order to get to the various location spots in the NY area (if you are not using a car).  Myself, I have been planning a trip to NY (from Norway) for quite some time in order to visit the locations.  I have good hope that it will take place next spring, much thanks to the inspiration from all the research you have been doing. Thanks again!   


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: cigar joe on July 07, 2008, 07:14:21 AM
If I can help any of you guys let me know (I was a NYC resident for years),  8)


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on July 08, 2008, 08:35:17 AM
Thanks to Jewels we now know that the toilet scene was filmed at Cinecitta and the hallway scenes in Chinatown.

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/a1line/peggy/10.jpg)

The view from this window looks genuine and the bridge structure and height very similar to the Chinatown end of Manhattan bridge. 

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/a1line/peggy/b1.jpg)

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/a1line/peggy/b2.jpg)

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/a1line/peggy/b3.jpg)

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/a1line/peggy/b4.jpg)

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/a1line/peggy/b5.jpg)

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/a1line/peggy/b6.jpg)

Best guess at the moment is a building to the south of Henry St or Madison St

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/a1line/peggy/b7.jpg)





A1 Your work on this thread is nothing short of staggering - absolutely indispensable.

Kudos  :)


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: Noodles_SlowStir on July 10, 2008, 08:13:09 PM
Thanks to Jewels we now know that the toilet scene was filmed at Cinecitta and the hallway scenes in Chinatown.

Thanks Jewels.

Thank you A1.  You identified the area so quickly.  Great updates. 


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on July 11, 2008, 01:03:52 PM
A1 came across this by accident a while back and thought you would be interested.

In the scene where young Noodles kills the cop, you can see the sign The Weekend Feeling Abraham & Straus at the top of a building!

Did a bit of research and discovered that Abraham & Straus had their flagship Dept. store on Fulton Street Brooklyn (sold to Macy's in the 90's).

The sign looks a bit 80's ::) was thinking maybe Sergio didn't think the camera would pick it up and therefore didn't think the sign would need to be covered.

Anyway maybe some NY/Brooklyn posters may remember the store - back in the 80's.


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: moviesceleton on July 12, 2008, 11:50:33 AM
There's probably some signs of modern life behind this fence which have been temporarily covered up.

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/a1line/locs/court2.jpg)
I've never noticed how suspicious that fence looks ;D


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: Noodles_SlowStir on July 13, 2008, 10:48:40 AM
Leone talked about some of the difficulties he experienced in filming in the States compared to Canada, France or Italy.
I guess mostly issues with the various unions.  He did say that while filming in those neighborhoods in New York, many of the residents were quite gracious.  He was appreciative and impressed with the sacrifice they made in allowing him to shoot on location.  In addition  to allowing him to take down their television antennas, many of their buildings and windows were covered by set facades.  He said that they put up with this inconvenience for almost four months and were hardly compensated.


 


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: PowerRR on July 13, 2008, 01:29:49 PM
I don't think it's possible for anyone to love OUATIA as much as A1.


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: dave jenkins on September 06, 2008, 09:32:25 AM
Thanks, A1. As someone who just re-located to Westchester County this week (at a spot 30 miles north of Manhattan), I'm particularly interested in your comments. One of these weekends when I get the chance I'll go down into the city and take the "tour." And a word to the wise: I too made the mistake of flying into JFK (90 minute wait for bags!) only to learn that my friend who flies frequently to NYC always goes via the Newark airport. Apparently, there's a super convenient train that runs into Grand Central from there. In future, that's the way I'll be entering and leaving the region.

EDIT: The train actually runs into Penn Station, not GC.


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: moviesceleton on September 06, 2008, 12:04:42 PM
Thanks, A1! That was a nice read  O0 I can't wait to see the pics.

Anyone else think that we should make some kind of tour instructions that could possibly be added to the main site (fistful-of-leone.com)? This, of course, should be done with care and it would need an approval (and probably some work) from Cal, but I think it would be a really great addition to the site.


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: dave jenkins on September 06, 2008, 12:14:29 PM
Good idea! I'd also like to see directions to the Arch and something about the Almeria locations.


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: cigar joe on September 06, 2008, 05:11:17 PM
Yea for sure  tour instructions O0

dj maybe we should meet up in the city and check out the Brooklyn sites some day,


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: moviesceleton on September 07, 2008, 03:53:12 AM
Good idea! I'd also like to see directions to the Arch and something about the Almeria locations.
Yeah, that was kind of part of the idea. At least Cusser knows how to get to the arch, right? And Ramon seems to have been to the Almeria sites more than once.


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: moviesceleton on September 07, 2008, 10:14:00 AM
I forgot about the other Monument Valley sites. It would be cool to know the exact places where the camera was standing. And because we're living the era of technology, codes for GPS devices (I can't remember the correct term right now) would also be handy.


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: dave jenkins on September 07, 2008, 11:22:20 AM
dj maybe we should meet up in the city and check out the Brooklyn sites some day,
I'm game, although it will be a while before I have the time to devote to the project. Meanwhile, anything you can tell me about cinemas and the like in Manhattan will be appreciated. Also, where's the best bookstore for books on films? Do you know anything about snagging tickets for Broadway shows? Where's the best pizza?

Anything you can help in this regard . . . .


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: cigar joe on September 07, 2008, 12:40:45 PM
Pizza, The Original Ray's down in the Village but there are lots of good Italian pizza places especially check out the Arthur Avenue section in the Bronx its close to Westchester, as far as cinema always check out the revival houses, the Forum & Angelica down in the Village (Greenwich Village) and the films and film series at MoMA (Museum of Modern Art ) on 53rd St Manhattanm and also the AMMI (American Museum of Moving Image) in Long Island City Queens.

As far as bookstores there are a lot of them in the city I knew some good ones in the 70's when I lived there but now I wouldn't be able to say. Rizzoli's used to be on 5th Ave but it moved to 57th St, and I haven't been in there since I came back from Montana.

Broadway tickets go to Playbill.com.

Also start using mass transit Metro North from White Plains to Grand Central Terminal, less hassel and easy, then you can walk & subway all around the city  O0



Title: Re: Locations
Post by: dave jenkins on September 07, 2008, 01:23:14 PM
Yeah, I already figured that out about the train into Grand Central, but thanks for the other advice, especially about the pizza and movie houses. O0


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: Cusser on September 07, 2008, 06:38:52 PM
Yep, I've been to the arch, played Once/West music loud, took photos, stayed about 1/2 hour.  14 miles north of the AZ-Utah border, west side, dirt road, not marked.  That 432 sign is in about maybe 75 feet, and looked just like in the photo, almost like 437.  About half-mile in you can see it to the right, just follow the road.  Obviously it was built at that angle so Leone could frame the famous peaks in the arch, the move the camera up so it would be obvious that it wasn't faked.  From that location you don't get any 163 highway traffic in the background either, so traffic wouldn't need to be stopped.  I think the storm in the distance (to the left?) was just happenstance - but looked great - that stuff happens out here, especially in late summer.


Title: Re: Locations
Post by: Ramon on September 08, 2008, 02:06:58 PM

Another movie connection with the area close to the arch.

The runway visible in the pictures below was used in the Eiger Sanction the scene where Clint flies in and George Kennedy is waiting to pick him up in the jeep.


Sounds a really good idea. I'd be happy to help.

In addition to Cusser and Ramon, there's Denys (pictures of the arch) and Paulo (Monument Valley).

In the meantime previous pictures of the location of the arch:



(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/a1line/arch/arch13.jpg)





Title: Re: Locations
Post by: moviesceleton on September 11, 2008, 08:32:10 AM
Looks like a place to visit if I ever get to NYC O0